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Seething · 01-23-2005, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by -Ever-

You didn't mention where Shamans stand! I'm a 20 Tauren Shaman on Mal'Ganis and loving it. I'd consider carrying it's build over to Bloody Hollow if desired.

The TFP guild on Bleeding Hollow is gay...er, alliance. I play an undead rogue on BH, but rarely see anyone from their guild. And if I do, one of us is usally dead before even a /wave can be had.

Lasereth · 01-23-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by -Ever-

You didn't mention where Shamans stand! I'm a 20 Tauren Shaman on Mal'Ganis and loving it. I'd consider carrying it's build over to Bloody Hollow if desired.

We're probably gonna transfer the entire guild to another server when they allow server changes. Bleeding Hollow is the most populated server in all of WoW. We didn't mean to choose the most populated server, but for some reason by chance it just happened. The lag is terrible at night due to overcrowding.

The Closed Beta server had 1,500 players on it. Our server now has nearly 30,000 players. That's an idea of how overcrowded it is.

When Blizzard posts server switch information we'll update!

-Lasereth

Zeraph · 01-23-2005, 05:16 PM

Yeah I was just about to come here to complain/and ask if anyone else was getting sick of the lag on BH. Ive started like 5 alts on other servers waiting for the server switch. What Im wondering though is if they will allow us to choose the server we go to?

Las, you meant to say server where you kept saying "guild"?

Zeraph · 01-23-2005, 05:18 PM

Ah i just thought of something, I hope the server option(s) arnt the ones that I already have horde chars on. Las you should poll your guild ahead of time to see if there are a significant number of people who have horde chars on other servers and wouldnt be willing to delete them if it came to that.

Lasereth · 01-23-2005, 05:52 PM

Yeah, I typo'ed a few times. Sorry for the confusion (I fixed it). We're definitely gonna choose a server that no one has any horde characters on. We know for sure it won't be Boulderfist.

-Lasereth

snowy · 01-24-2005, 03:33 PM

Whoohoo...

I got my hands on WoW and started playing this last weekend...level 11 human warlock on Destromath...name's Laurelin...give a wave if you see me.

I know I'm not the only girl who plays WoW but sometimes it sure feels like it!

-Ever- · 01-24-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by onesnowyowl

Whoohoo...

I got my hands on WoW and started playing this last weekend...level 11 human warlock on Destromath...name's Laurelin...give a wave if you see me.

I know I'm not the only girl who plays WoW but sometimes it sure feels like it!

My girlfriend just asked me to teach her how to play. I'll hook you guys up if she get's the hang of it

00111000 · 01-24-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by onesnowyowl

Whoohoo...

I got my hands on WoW and started playing this last weekend...level 11 human warlock on Destromath...name's Laurelin...give a wave if you see me.

I know I'm not the only girl who plays WoW but sometimes it sure feels like it!

Im on Destromath also, but am on the Horde side. Maybe we'll meet up and have fun killing each other! I'll save a goblin sapper charge for ya!!

snowy · 01-24-2005, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Ever-

My girlfriend just asked me to teach her how to play. I'll hook you guys up if she get's the hang of it

Yes, please do! I've already got a couple of my own girl friends playing on Destromath. So any other girlies would appreciated. I want to start an all-girl guild.

Jadedfox · 01-25-2005, 01:27 AM

If you are looking to switch to a low population PvP server, Dethecus is a great choice. It's an awesome PvP environment since everyone knows each other with organized raids from both horde and alliance.

--jaded

Drider_it · 01-26-2005, 10:31 PM

in our guild Enigma collective on lothar its alliance and on horde (we just started this week) its Enigma Syndicate both on lothar.. for a pve there sure is a hella lot of pvp going on.. southshore (tarren mill) and cross roads in the barrens is alway a pvp fest

i recoment tarren mill.. you have an allance town with guards and a horde town with guards .. equal distance much fun.. although too much agro and you can drag the guards to the other town which turns nasty and a lag fest from hell.

SitizenVZ · 01-27-2005, 12:45 AM

I'm really getting sick of the queues on Kel'thuzad, but i'm reluctant to start all over again. I leveled 1 guy too 60 and 1 too 40 on there already.

-Ever- · 01-28-2005, 11:30 AM

Onyxia goes down!

The group responsible is on one of the very recently created Korean servers. The same group supposedly leveled a mage to 60 in three days

BuddyHawks · 01-28-2005, 12:08 PM

wow...i cant wait tilll im lvl 60.

taylorspl · 01-28-2005, 04:06 PM

I play on Uther for the most part because thats where my friends play. I hate this game I'm hooked now.

seretogis · 01-28-2005, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Ever-

Onyxia goes down!

The group responsible is on one of the very recently created Korean servers. The same group supposedly leveled a mage to 60 in three days

Keep in mind that the Koreans were allowed to keep their old closed beta characters. They did NOT level from 1-60, gear up, and drop Onyxia in two months as those of us on US retail servers have been trying to do. They have a 10 month advantage on US players at the moment.

Onions · 01-29-2005, 01:47 PM

The time advantage is very minimal, their beta was only 1 month. Most high end guilds have been keyed and equipped for a while. However it seems as though the version beaten was only the CB version that doesn't spawn whelps. This would have been downed on every server two weeks ago if they didn't have that emergency patch to change her.

darkhelmetGT · 01-29-2005, 04:01 PM

Another WoW addict here...

Proud member of guild DeliStyle on Skullcrusher (Lvl 45 Troll Rogue)

FOR TEH H0RD3!

-Ever- · 01-29-2005, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onions

However it seems as though the version beaten was only the CB version that doesn't spawn whelps. This would have been downed on every server two weeks ago if they didn't have that emergency patch to change her.

What exactly was changed?

Onions · 01-30-2005, 11:12 AM

When she goes into flight during stage 2, she is supposed to be spawning whelps the whole time. In that version, no whelps spawn and stage two is essentially a joke.

Frosstbyte · 01-30-2005, 01:18 PM

Apparently being level 25 doesn't give you access to all this crazy stuff, and I'm not really willing to paw through the forums trying to find the answer. Who the hell is Onyxia and why is it such a big deal to kill her?

Blaspheme · 01-30-2005, 02:51 PM

Onyxia is a Big Mean Dragon. She's the first of the raid encounters for strong guilds. They all want to kill her so they can get uber gear, which will let them kill the next raid boss, who will drop uber gear needed to kill the raid boss after that....ad infinitum.

Mr.Deflok · 01-31-2005, 02:09 AM

Trouble is that everyone who takes her down needs to roll for the unique items!

I'm focusing on bringing my Troll Hunter up to 40+ at the mo, unfortunately Hunters are pretty much useless in Onyxia like cases. At some stage in the future I'll make a Warlock and bring him up with a party to bring that big bitch down.

Jadedfox · 01-31-2005, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BuddyHawks

wow...i cant wait tilll im lvl 60.

Don't get too excited. I have a level 60 paladin and I must confess I'm pretty bored at the moment. The "end game" instances are insanely difficult and requires a nice balanced group which is hard to find on a low population server. Fortunately, the rest of my guild is catching up so we will be able to complete them all soon (not Onyxia or similar raid instances).

I rolled a mage and I'm currently leveling that toon. Mages are so fun! What a contrast to pallies dps wise.

--jaded

Frosstbyte · 01-31-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Deflok

Trouble is that everyone who takes her down needs to roll for the unique items!

I'm focusing on bringing my Troll Hunter up to 40+ at the mo, unfortunately Hunters are pretty much useless in Onyxia like cases. At some stage in the future I'll make a Warlock and bring him up with a party to bring that big bitch down.

Maybe some of you out there who have played more can give me a bit of direction on this, since this is something that's been bugging me since I started playing. What, exactly, are hunters supposed to be good at? This isn't some silly game balance "they're better than I am why don't I get 1337 sk1llz etc." I'm legitimately interested to know how people who have been playing hunters use them, especially in large-scale battles and groups, to the greatest effect. The hunter skill-set and style matches very well with what I want to do, but I feel like I'm dragging on groups because I don't know how to use those skills as well as I might. Any advice?

Oh, feel free to PM me instead of spamming this thread with responses.

Jesus Pimp · 01-31-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by portwineboy

Well, I can't find WoW anywhere NYC or online. I'm even tempted to hit eBay but it's going for at least $70. Hopefully be joining back up next week. I've missed it since the betas.

I picked up a copy last week at Gamestop on Atlantic Ave. You gotta ask for it.

Mr.Deflok · 01-31-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

...What, exactly, are hunters supposed to be good at?

Simply put, Hunters are a solo class. They're pretty much as good as, if not better than any other class at solo but in group situations they fall a bit flat as their attacks are based on range, and their attacks not too strong. Regardless the Hunter is damn fun to play as.

-Ever- · 01-31-2005, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Deflok

Simply put, Hunters are a solo class. They're pretty much as good as, if not better than any other class at solo but in group situations they fall a bit flat as their attacks are based on range, and their attacks not too strong. Regardless the Hunter is damn fun to play as.

I also alway enjoy grouping with hunters because I'm a shaman and the more tanks (ie the hunter's pets), the better

00111000 · 01-31-2005, 02:20 PM

I am currently a 44 Hunter on Destromath. Hunters do excel at the solo game and can aslo do quite well in instances and other groups. The problem is that there are so many Hunters out there that when people have a bad experience with one they tend to lump them all together.

I do fairly well in instances as long as I keep my aggro under control and lil'buddy on passive. In large scale battles you need to be Johnny on the spot. Make quick decisions, keep aggro off the healers with distracting shot, use the pet to tank adds and use the right stings for the situation. If you have volley you should use that once the mage(if there is one) starts his AoE. If you don't have a mage with you use your best judgement. Make sure you assist and do not wake mobs that have been sheeped or put to sleep. Use your traps to thier fullest extent and remember if you or your pet is not in combat you can still lay a trap down. Communication is key during instance runs. Every one in the party should know what the others are doing at all times. Get in a few good groups and you'll be wanted.

PvP is damn fun for a Hunter. I like to sneak around the sides of the battle and pick off healers and casters. Aimed shot does wonders here. You can time it so that if you hit the concussive shot about 1/2 second before the aimed shot fires you will get them both off right after each other, after that I nail them with a viper sting to drain mana. If you have engineering as a trade skill you can also use the bombs to some extent, they will not do a lot of damage but they will cause confusion at certain times. A nice goblin sapper charge can take out 5 or 6 people with low health all at once.

Lasereth · 01-31-2005, 08:15 PM

My priest and warrior are both less than 1/4 of a level to 40. I have enough gold for my mounts but my fuckin brother borrowed 120g from me the other day so I'm running a tad low.

Lasereth, 39 Priest

<IMG SRC=http://www.appstate.edu/~bt52438/wowpri.jpg>

Razerwind, 39 Warrior

<IMG SRC=http://www.appstate.edu/~bt52438/wowwar.jpg>

-Lasereth

Frosstbyte · 01-31-2005, 10:12 PM

I don't know what the weapon is in the second screen shot, Lasereth, but damn is it cool-lookin'. Use that on your brother. I think he'll cough up the gold pretty quick. Heh.

kiwiman · 01-31-2005, 11:20 PM

Whirlwind Axe, and it's pretty darn sexy to use too.

Redjake · 02-01-2005, 11:37 AM

00111000 · 02-01-2005, 01:01 PM

Lousy rooftop camper!!!

I dig that hat though...very stylish.

MahlerIsGod · 02-01-2005, 03:06 PM

Everytime I try to add more time to my account I get this regardless of what browser I use. What gives and and how can I fix the problem. Thanks.

----Nevermind. Problem fixed----------

Redjake · 02-01-2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 00111000

Lousy rooftop camper!!!

I dig that hat though...very stylish.

I defend the Alliance! The only time I attack is when someone else (horde) are on top attacking and ganking people. So I go up there and own them. And I sometimes go up there to ponder the meaning of life and take screenshots

Redjake · 02-01-2005, 09:12 PM

Here's a little something for the kids: this happened earlier with FIREBALL! Not even Pyroblast. Just regular Fireball.
<img src="http://www.appstate.edu/~jt52439/shot3.jpg">

And also this: This is definitely Pyroblast (big fireball spell, "ICBM" as some guildmates lovingly call it). I was astounded. I'm only level 51, not at the level cap of 60 yet at all:
<img src="http://www.appstate.edu/~jt52439/shot4.jpg">

portwineboy · 02-03-2005, 04:45 PM

I'm Gatal, a DE rogue on Bleeding Hollow.

Never did a DE or a rogue before, so it's all good.

Lasereth · 02-03-2005, 07:34 PM

Night Elf!! This isn't EQ!!

-Lasereth

Slayer · 02-03-2005, 09:28 PM

You guys still in bleeding hollow or going to a new server?

01-23-2005, 05:52 PM	#165 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Yeah, I typo'ed a few times. Sorry for the confusion (I fixed it). We're definitely gonna choose a server that no one has any horde characters on. We know for sure it won't be Boulderfist. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

01-24-2005, 03:33 PM	#166 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	Whoohoo... I got my hands on WoW and started playing this last weekend...level 11 human warlock on Destromath...name's Laurelin...give a wave if you see me. I know I'm not the only girl who plays WoW but sometimes it sure feels like it! __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

01-25-2005, 01:27 AM	#170 (permalink)
Jadedfox Egocentric Location: World of Warcraft	If you are looking to switch to a low population PvP server, Dethecus is a great choice. It's an awesome PvP environment since everyone knows each other with organized raids from both horde and alliance. --jaded __________________ There is no fucking you, there is only me.

01-26-2005, 10:31 PM	#171 (permalink)
Drider_it Junkie Location: Louisiana	in our guild Enigma collective on lothar its alliance and on horde (we just started this week) its Enigma Syndicate both on lothar.. for a pve there sure is a hella lot of pvp going on.. southshore (tarren mill) and cross roads in the barrens is alway a pvp fest i recoment tarren mill.. you have an allance town with guards and a horde town with guards .. equal distance much fun.. although too much agro and you can drag the guards to the other town which turns nasty and a lag fest from hell. __________________ It means only one thing, and everything: Cut. Once committed to fight, Cut. Everything else is secondary. Cut. That is your duty, your purpose, your hunger. There is no rule more important, no commitment that overrides that one. Cut. The lines are a portrayal of the dance. Cut from the void, not from bewilderment. Cut the enemy as quickly and directly as possible. Cut with certainty. Cut decisively, resoultely. Cut into his strength. Flow through the gaps in his guard. Cut him. Cut him down utterly. Don't allow him a breath. Crush him. Cut him without mercy to the depth of his spirit. It is the balance to life: death. It is the dance with death. It is the law a war wizard lives by, or he dies.

01-28-2005, 11:30 AM	#173 (permalink)
-Ever- Junkie Location: San Francisco	Onyxia goes down! The group responsible is on one of the very recently created Korean servers. The same group supposedly leveled a mage to 60 in three days __________________ Embracing the goddess energy within yourselves will bring all of you to a new understanding and valuing of life. A vision that inspires you to live and love on planet Earth. Like a priceless jewel buried in dark layers of soil and stone, Earth radiates her brilliant beauty into the caverns of space and time. Perhaps you are aware of those who watch over your home And experience of this place to visit and play with reality. You are becoming aware of yourself as a gamemaster... --Acknowledge your weaknesses--

01-23-2005, 05:16 PM	#163 (permalink)
Zeraph Banned Location: The Cosmos	Yeah I was just about to come here to complain/and ask if anyone else was getting sick of the lag on BH. Ive started like 5 alts on other servers waiting for the server switch. What Im wondering though is if they will allow us to choose the server we go to? Las, you meant to say server where you kept saying "guild"?

01-23-2005, 05:18 PM	#164 (permalink)
Zeraph Banned Location: The Cosmos	Ah i just thought of something, I hope the server option(s) arnt the ones that I already have horde chars on. Las you should poll your guild ahead of time to see if there are a significant number of people who have horde chars on other servers and wouldnt be willing to delete them if it came to that.

01-27-2005, 12:45 AM	#172 (permalink)
SitizenVZ Tilted	I'm really getting sick of the queues on Kel'thuzad, but i'm reluctant to start all over again. I leveled 1 guy too 60 and 1 too 40 on there already.

01-28-2005, 12:08 PM	#174 (permalink)
BuddyHawks Swashbuckling Location: Iowa...sometimes	wow...i cant wait tilll im lvl 60. __________________ Watch More TV

01-28-2005, 04:06 PM	#175 (permalink)
taylorspl Insane Location: Tucson, AZ	I play on Uther for the most part because thats where my friends play. I hate this game I'm hooked now.

01-29-2005, 01:47 PM	#177 (permalink)
Onions Upright	The time advantage is very minimal, their beta was only 1 month. Most high end guilds have been keyed and equipped for a while. However it seems as though the version beaten was only the CB version that doesn't spawn whelps. This would have been downed on every server two weeks ago if they didn't have that emergency patch to change her. Last edited by Onions; 01-29-2005 at 02:00 PM..

01-29-2005, 04:01 PM	#178 (permalink)
darkhelmetGT Upright	Another WoW addict here... Proud member of guild DeliStyle on Skullcrusher (Lvl 45 Troll Rogue) FOR TEH H0RD3!

01-30-2005, 11:12 AM	#180 (permalink)
Onions Upright	When she goes into flight during stage 2, she is supposed to be spawning whelps the whole time. In that version, no whelps spawn and stage two is essentially a joke.

01-30-2005, 01:18 PM	#181 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	Apparently being level 25 doesn't give you access to all this crazy stuff, and I'm not really willing to paw through the forums trying to find the answer. Who the hell is Onyxia and why is it such a big deal to kill her?

01-30-2005, 02:51 PM	#182 (permalink)
Blaspheme Tilted Location: Oregon, USA	Onyxia is a Big Mean Dragon. She's the first of the raid encounters for strong guilds. They all want to kill her so they can get uber gear, which will let them kill the next raid boss, who will drop uber gear needed to kill the raid boss after that....ad infinitum. __________________ Faith: not wanting to know what is true. ~Friedrich Nietzsche

01-31-2005, 02:09 AM	#183 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	Trouble is that everyone who takes her down needs to roll for the unique items! I'm focusing on bringing my Troll Hunter up to 40+ at the mo, unfortunately Hunters are pretty much useless in Onyxia like cases. At some stage in the future I'll make a Warlock and bring him up with a party to bring that big bitch down. Last edited by Mr.Deflok; 01-31-2005 at 02:18 AM..

01-31-2005, 02:20 PM	#189 (permalink)
00111000 Psycho Location: Mostly standing in a blue semi-circle	I am currently a 44 Hunter on Destromath. Hunters do excel at the solo game and can aslo do quite well in instances and other groups. The problem is that there are so many Hunters out there that when people have a bad experience with one they tend to lump them all together. I do fairly well in instances as long as I keep my aggro under control and lil'buddy on passive. In large scale battles you need to be Johnny on the spot. Make quick decisions, keep aggro off the healers with distracting shot, use the pet to tank adds and use the right stings for the situation. If you have volley you should use that once the mage(if there is one) starts his AoE. If you don't have a mage with you use your best judgement. Make sure you assist and do not wake mobs that have been sheeped or put to sleep. Use your traps to thier fullest extent and remember if you or your pet is not in combat you can still lay a trap down. Communication is key during instance runs. Every one in the party should know what the others are doing at all times. Get in a few good groups and you'll be wanted. PvP is damn fun for a Hunter. I like to sneak around the sides of the battle and pick off healers and casters. Aimed shot does wonders here. You can time it so that if you hit the concussive shot about 1/2 second before the aimed shot fires you will get them both off right after each other, after that I nail them with a viper sting to drain mana. If you have engineering as a trade skill you can also use the bombs to some extent, they will not do a lot of damage but they will cause confusion at certain times. A nice goblin sapper charge can take out 5 or 6 people with low health all at once. __________________ - And so he says, 'I don't like the cut of your jib.' And I go I says, IT'S THE ONLY JIB I GOT, BABY! -

01-31-2005, 08:15 PM	#190 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	My priest and warrior are both less than 1/4 of a level to 40. I have enough gold for my mounts but my fuckin brother borrowed 120g from me the other day so I'm running a tad low. Lasereth, 39 Priest <IMG SRC=http://www.appstate.edu/~bt52438/wowpri.jpg> Razerwind, 39 Warrior <IMG SRC=http://www.appstate.edu/~bt52438/wowwar.jpg> -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

01-31-2005, 10:12 PM	#191 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	I don't know what the weapon is in the second screen shot, Lasereth, but damn is it cool-lookin'. Use that on your brother. I think he'll cough up the gold pretty quick. Heh.

01-31-2005, 11:20 PM	#192 (permalink)
kiwiman Crazy Location: New Zealand	Whirlwind Axe, and it's pretty darn sexy to use too.

02-01-2005, 11:37 AM	#193 (permalink)
Redjake I'm a family man - I run a family business. Location: Wilson, NC	<img src="http://www.appstate.edu/~jt52439/shot1.jpg"> <img src="http://www.appstate.edu/~jt52439/shot2.jpg"> __________________ Off the record, on the q.t., and very hush-hush.

02-01-2005, 01:01 PM	#194 (permalink)
00111000 Psycho Location: Mostly standing in a blue semi-circle	Lousy rooftop camper!!! I dig that hat though...very stylish. __________________ - And so he says, 'I don't like the cut of your jib.' And I go I says, IT'S THE ONLY JIB I GOT, BABY! -

02-01-2005, 03:06 PM	#195 (permalink)
MahlerIsGod At The Globe Showing Will How Its Done Location: London/Elysium	Everytime I try to add more time to my account I get this regardless of what browser I use. What gives and and how can I fix the problem. Thanks. ----Nevermind. Problem fixed---------- __________________ "But a work of art is a conscious human effort that has to do with communication. It is that or its nothing. When an accident is applauded as a work of art, when a cult grows up around the deliciousness of inadvertent beauty, we are in the presence of the greatest decadence the West has known in its history." Last edited by MahlerIsGod; 02-01-2005 at 11:46 PM..

02-01-2005, 09:12 PM	#197 (permalink)
Redjake I'm a family man - I run a family business. Location: Wilson, NC	Here's a little something for the kids: this happened earlier with FIREBALL! Not even Pyroblast. Just regular Fireball. <img src="http://www.appstate.edu/~jt52439/shot3.jpg"> And also this: This is definitely Pyroblast (big fireball spell, "ICBM" as some guildmates lovingly call it). I was astounded. I'm only level 51, not at the level cap of 60 yet at all: <img src="http://www.appstate.edu/~jt52439/shot4.jpg"> __________________ Off the record, on the q.t., and very hush-hush.

02-03-2005, 04:45 PM	#198 (permalink)
portwineboy Master of No Domains Location: WEEhawken, New Joisey	I'm Gatal, a DE rogue on Bleeding Hollow. Never did a DE or a rogue before, so it's all good. __________________ If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.

02-03-2005, 07:34 PM	#199 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Night Elf!! This isn't EQ!! -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

02-03-2005, 09:28 PM	#200 (permalink)
Slayer Insane Location: Brooklyn, NY............. South Of Heaven	You guys still in bleeding hollow or going to a new server? __________________ "the key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering"