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.....sorry?

Yeah, that makes sense. I never even thought of it like that...

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I just mean that you let me know about Sheba. That helps me set realistic expectations. Besides, there is no way they would cast the role to my satisfaction anyway.

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I love this series . Now that I got that out of the way... I think that sooner or later we'll be in for a Boomer/Chief/Helo reunion. Oh, the laugh that's going to get. Might get a bit sitcom-ish.

Fremen

I was just going over the channel menu and noticed on Sci-fi that they're showing the first 4 episodes of Season 2, starting at 7:00 PM Central tonight.

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I am really in the mood to watch the mini-series again. This season I might get sucked into too. Thanks for the tip

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Pegasus is coming on the 23 of Sept. (Sci-fi)

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it should be interesting to see how they manage to bring in another Battlestar after the way the fleet was destoryed.

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Hey Guthmund. I did a little (crappy) photo-shop for ya today. What do you think?



Ok - maybe Six was just trying to throw us (or Baltar) off with the whole "they" stuff. interesting either way.

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/shakes fist at Mondak. I'm going to have eat some serious crow if all this 'Baltar is really a Cylon' theory of yours pans out. I have to say, I got a little nervous when Six started in with all that 'us and them' stuff.

Anybody have any thoughts on the show? I thought this last episode was pretty lackluster, to be honest.

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Okay, I came across another premonition the other day.

I am really hoping Callie does not turn out to be a Cylon.

What I have noticed however is that she seems to be the 'monitor' for Boomer and Chief's affair, her presence seems to convenient for Six to suggest that Gaius start 'acting like a man', and to top it off, she shoots Boomer the same way Boomer got Commander Adama . . .

This week's episode? Seems Kara has put Anders out of her mind pretty fast. I was sad to see the death of Elosha the Priestess.

This statement had me in stitches . . . My being a Lego fan had something to do with it . . .



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I don't think Callie's a cylon. Just a woman who was pushed to extremity on Kobal (although not pushed to action!) trying to protect the only person she really trusts anymore.

Regarding the doc, what do you think of this: he is a cylon, but doesn't know it as part of further psychological experiments by the cylons? I can't fully buy this "implanted chip in the brain" thing, if it was that easy, why wouldn't cylons do it on a mass scale? I think he may have some sort of free will coding (as much as one can have with a gorgeous sexually aggressive woman in their head, lol!), and the cylons want to see how they can manipulate it...side note: I *love* this character, and the way he's portrayed by the actor. Amazing job.

Kinda lost track of the counting of the *skin jobs*, but was the baby farm (Ugg! Truely horrifying to me personally) doctor included in the count?

*shyly* Thanks for letting me jump in...

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guthmund, actually now I think they are trying to lead us there. I actually liked my theory better before they started in on it.

The reason I don't like the direction things are going is that it seems that they just took a detour rather than keep on the same course. Let's say there was no rebellion and Kara had permission to leave town etc etc. We would have gone to Kobol and looked for the tomb together. Guess what we are up to now? hrmmmm. Don't waste my time Moore. I am a very important man with things to do! (Like photoshop BSG shat....)

EthanWhy do people have so many problems with Kara sleeping with that guy? This is a good example of a double standard against women for sure. I have put it in plenty of women that I never planned on spending my life with. They were pleasant enough to spend some time with before and after making use of their pink spots though. Still, I would feel sad if they were dead / going to spend the rest of their life on some radioactive nuked out planet many light years away.

She has some Adama Fetish okay? Maybe she would let the old man get dirty if she couldn't ultimatly bag Lee. I mean hell, she was clearly abused as a child. Many times gals like that end up with older men trying to satisfy their "love me daddy" side. Ok I got off on a tangent, but I say the show is better if Kara sleeps around a bit. Maybe she bags the President next to win the Xena crowd . . . who knows?

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Mondak, I agree completely with you about the storyline. The good news is according to the latest podcast, the next episode is sort of a cap to all the current threads and story lines. So...new stories, new stuff...coming soon, I guess.

As for Kara...well, here's my problem with it. First of all, I'm not some purist who thinks that Starbuck should only 'give her virtue to the man she is to marry.' In fact, I love the tough, punch Apollo in the face, insult the XO, sleep with the doctor Starbuck. She just hasn't been around much lately. Glimpses of her in the 'hospital/farm, ' but not nearly enough.

If Moore had written it as 'two lonely people getting together to fill the void left in them....or two sexy muthas doing the freaky' then that's one thing, but he didn't. Instead Kara's giving the guy a dog tag and promising to come back through a shroud of tears after having known the guy for what..a couple of days? It just felt a bit forced to me.

Sultana, I'm counting the doctor in the number of skin-jobs. So, Aaron Doral (the reporter), Leoben, Six, Sharon and Simon (the doctor) make five. And by the way, I was wrong. It's not 8 different models...it's 12.

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When it comes to sex, I guess I've been called a purist who thinks it should be reserved for marriage, even though I've seen my share of nudie pictures . . .

That was not my point. My point was that Kara had slept around, including the insidious doctor Baltar, and it seemed that she was really attached to this guy on Caprica instead of just playing around. Way I see it, if she's just playing, then don't bring love-mindgames into it. Kara said that she promised to return to Caprica for him. If that truly is the case, then I think the Caprica Storyline is not over yet. . . .

As for me, I am not bothered by people having different opinions than I on the subject of sex. I just found that if Kara was . . . married . . . to Anders, then that may have an effect on what she should do in other company. She did tell the Cylon doctor that she married that guy who she was told saved her life. . . . she even cried over him . . .

Anyway there are holes in the story line that I can not always figure out myself so, I just let it go. I don't like getting judgemental, and I don't like others being judgemental over me. In this case, its just a TV character, but in real life if I heard someone did something like playing around extramaritally, I would not go apes--t over it, . . . even if it was a friend. I would take the story to heart and say what can I learn from this? If my friend was hurt by some experience like this I would try to comfort my friend and I honestly do not know if I would do something else . . . anyway, I don't want to seem preachy, just . . . I guess if Kara felt marriage-strong over Anders, I wouldn't expect her to play around with others . . .

Anyway, who says she is interested in doing Lee Adama anyway? Maybe getting Lee to say "I love you" is something that Lee has a hard time with. In that regard, getting Lee to say I love you, even as friends, would be something that Kara would try to do, just for the novelty of it, in my opinion.

I hope I'm not insulting anyone. It's just my opinion, and probably not an important one anyway, about the Kara character and what I would like to see happen, or not.

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But that includes the toasters, the super toasters, and possibly even the raiders , right?

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I don't think so. I'll try to dig something definitive out by the weekend, but, if I recall correctly,it was a conversation between Six and Baltar and they were talking about the skin-jobs specifically.

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I remember that also that was at the begining of season one I thought, 12 is the magical number, and we have now seen 5 including the new doctor if I am correct. Not a bad episode, wonder what will happen with the you take care of the father I have the son stuff. (might have that reversed)

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After a little searching, it does look like indeed the number is 12 (rumored to coincide with the 12 tribes of Cobol).

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So do you think Starbuck and Apollo will scoot around on strange motorcycles having misadventures on Earth eventually? I hope not.

guthmund

Only if they have a really catchy theme song.

Well, it's still a bit confusing. I couldn't find the exact quote, so, I had to crack open the mini-series and find it myself.

Caprica is being bombed. Gaius is blinded by a nearby blast and Six is telling Baltar that she can't die. If she dies, she says, I'll just wake up in an identical body somewhere else.
Baltar using the phrase "like you" seems to imply he's asking about skin-jobs only. So, I assume that Six understood that and responded accordingly.

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Guthmund - I miss your old Avatar.

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what is it?

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Oh don't worry the Mind-taker is just waiting in the wings.

I thought I'd bring out 'Serenity' for a while since the movie is coming out the end of September and all. It's too dark though.... It shows up fine on my screen at home, but I can't see it all that well anywhere else... I guess, I'll have to lighten it up.

On to the episode...

This week more than made up for last week. Adama is still an old softy, but, boy, oh boy, did you see him drop that cylon?! I could almost hear Ol' JR screamin' "Chokeslam! Chokeslam! It's over folks!" Can't say I enjoyed the Zarek storyline....I mean, just the urination scene alone was....odd?

Everybody back together, all a little disgusted over Helo's rose-colored glasses, and the good doctor still going crazy. By the way, you want to see some fine acting, you just watch that scene in the 'cage' with Gaius and Six. As a modest actor in high school and the veteran of a couple of local theater shows, I have to say I am amazed at how fast and loose this guy plays it.

Good stuff. It's a cryin' shame I have to wait two weeks for another fix, but what can you do, right?

What did you guys think?

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I think the Boomyrlon wants to be the filling in a Helo/Chief sandwich.

I may be in the minority, but to me the Gaius/Six thing is getting a little old.

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Heh yeah mrklixx I am in on that too. I have been wanting to see what will happen when they throw Baltar out the airlock and then his conciousness is tranferred to a new Baltar sitting in high command on a Base Star somewhere. That will be what the last scene of the season will look like as a cliff hanger!

As far as this week, Adama was a little too soft, but what can you do. I mean he didn't even get Laura to promise to stop trying to mutany his troops in the future when they don't agree. It's like "okay you are in charge chicky - tell you what - why don't you Pilot the Galactica while you are at it?"

Helo must not have had a single friend of family member on Caprica is all I can deduce about that. I mean not to get all political here since I think the whole "War on Terror" is completly off base, BUT I still get very upset about the Twin Towers and the things that happened that day. That was 3000 people. Caprica and the other colonies were billions dead. I think I would hold a bit of a grudge is all. Helo and all the other simpathizers are just a bit unbelieveable to me.

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Well, that's one way of looking at it. On the other hand, Helo fell for her well before he learned she was an organo-toaster. Knowing she's carrying his child, he may just be unable to reconcile the fact she's not human. Cylon or not, he loved her then, and you can't just turn off feelings like that. World is not black and white, even in war.

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Has anyone been listenijng to the podcasts? The creators seem to hint that Helo might be a Cylon. Then again I'm not sure how that would fit into the hole human/cylon baby thing. Argh. My head hurts.

guthmund

I've been listening to the podcasts...I was under the impression it was a joke though...

As for the latest episode...

Holy crap, Xena is a cylon! Well, maybe that wasn't much of a surprise. I figured Lucy Lawless would be a semi-regular character and 'roving reporter' as entertaining as it was, wasn't going to get her on many episodes. Six's little comment to Baltar in the hallway only clinched it.

I thought this one was pretty good. These stand alone shows are a nice break from the overarching storyline and although they don't move the plot too far along, they give you much needed insight into some of the characters. Some of the dialogue was a little cheesy. I imagine it was because Moore didn't write the whole episode himself.

There's still not quite something right about Commander Adama. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's there. Kind of like when you find your keys in an odd place and don't remember moving them there, but you had to because they're your keys.

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Yeah - I am in guthmund. Something is rotten in Caprica when it comes to Adama. Not sure what it is either. I want him to be more of the shepard that I knew from the OG series, but still be a badass. No sympathy for Cylons Adama. Remember: they have a plan.

I also was pretty sure that Xena was a Cylon (and now I can't remember her name on the show but will join you in calling her that since it is better). Six sealed it for me too. Yellow journalism serves many purposes that is for sure. More social commentary for us on the fleet.

This brings up an interesting point though as far as the fleet is concerned. We pretty much have to assume that all these "skin jobs" were already on the fleet when it was formed. Now the Cylons really could not know that the Galactica would survive along with the other random ships that make up the fleet. So we have quite a few who have been represented on board the ship.

Sharon
Six
Leoben (they found another one after killing the first one right)
Reporter Guy (Doral?)
Xena

So think about this: I don't know that you could have more than one Sharon in the fleet - they might notice. Maybe you could hide a couple more copies in the general populace of the colonies that are pretty far apart. A case could be made for her surviving and joining up with any straglers no matter what in her Raptor. But for the other ones you would have to have lots of copies all over the place. They don't seem to be in communication with each other unless they are talking. So to get at least 5 copies on board various ships among 48,000 or so and if there are 12 different models you would have to have them all over the place before the shooting started.

That being the case, you would think you would have to have too many to make it work. Almost to the point that you would be in constant danger of having duplicates in the same general vicinity or circle. Moreover, with only 48k people, you would know who each of them were. The cylons would have to make sure that all duplicates were eliminated early on.

Lots of thoughts here but:

- The Cylons plan would need to be very complicated to do this with specific ships including the Gallactica surviving.
- They know the scriptures very well but clearly can't find Earth themselves
- They won't let the fleet rest and think they can hide or settle down anywhere (which is odd - not sure why the fleet is so sold on Earth rather than a more obscure planet somewhere)

To me this means that Adama (and or the President) is either a Cylon Pawn with an important role to play or a Cylon himself. Hope you followed that.

PS - I would have been horrible from that line of thought during the Red Scare or the Salem Witch hunts.

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Two arguments against Adama being a Cylon are Apollo and Zak. Unless they are both Cylons too, I think it would be impossible for someones family member to be a Cylon since the Cylons don't just make copies of existing people.


P.S. Loved hearing the old theme song in the "documentary".

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Good point except why can't they start with existing people? I mean they are harvesting eggs from mothers for some reason right? Why not take someone and remake them as an enhanced clone of some type. They are sleeper agents or overt agents depending on their role and may not know themselves what they are.

I don't really think it is the case, but it makes a good argument that Adama is the key to their plan to find Earth so that they can eliminate the human race. If they knew Adama was the only one they could depend on to carry through and find earth, they had to KNOW Adama. That means that at the very least - someone very close to Adama would have to be a Cylon agent. Otherwise they would not have known who to choose to survive long enough to find Earth.

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I never watched her old show, but... Xena was pretty hot as a blonde. Heres to more hot Cylons.

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Wouldn't they be able to tell that there was something different with Adama when they were performing surgery on him, if he was a Cylon?

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You know, you'd think so, wouldn't you? But I have to argue, would they even know what they were looking for? The skin-jobs seem to be...I don't know... a lot more fragile than their toaster cousins. I mean a precise shot the head seems to be about the only way to kill the toasters short of blowing them to pieces. On Caprica, Six was killed twice: once when she was shot in the back and once during her skirmish with Starbuck when she was pierced with some rebar (I'm not sure how to spell it, but it's the stuff you stick in concrete to make it both stronger and more flexible.) Not to mention that Galactica-Boomer was killed with a single shot during her "Oswald" walk by Cally. I don't know if that makes a difference, but it seems to imply, to me at least, that the skin-jobs are more human than toaster, so, maybe the differences aren't that noticeable, even to the trained eye. Which brings up another interesting point, in my opinion. Why haven't they disected one the skin-jobs? They had Leoben, they had Doral, they had the body of Boomer. If they're 'just machines' why not shoot one and cut it open? If the threat of skin-jobs infilitrating the fleet is so important, wouldn't it be in the fleet's best interest to know all they possibly could about their enemy, all things considered?

Mondak: That's certainly part of it. During the first season, it was Adama who pulled the fleet together, it was Adama who beat the crap out the first Leoben, authorized leaving Doral behind at the weapons depot, pulled the second Leoben out for interrogation and, ultimately, it was Adama who almost died when Galactica-Boomer pumped him full of lead. I just find it hard to believe that that Adama would allow the second Boomer on his ship after they found the tomb and she outlived her usefulness. It reeks and there's certainly more to it, but I just can't quite put my finger on it.

The President seems to be the only one with the right idea; Push 'em out the airlock and all that. After all, like Adama said, "They have a plan."

Speaking of the grand plan. That's an awful lot of planning, not to mention an awful lot of luck to pull of something like you describe. Here's the thing that kept popping up when I read your post, remember during the first season...specifically the episode where Six was going to 'out' Baltar? Remember she just popped up on Galactica and then disappeared? She can't just be in Baltar's head (aside from the fact that everyone else saw her there) we have confirmation that she's not a chip in Baltar's brain nor is she some psychotic manifestation of the good doctor's. So....if Six can 'pop-in' and 'pop-out' at will, why can't the others as well? 50,000 people on 50 some odd ships and their going to sneak in multiple copies of 12 skin-jobs?Less than that, really. Remember, some of the skin-jobs' covers have been totally blown. Another Leoben, another Doral another Sharon, or another Xena are bound to raise some flags, somewhere, right?

I don't think Adama is a cylon. The skin-jobs seem to be unique, meaning it must be a difficult to create them as they've got only 12 models. Not to mention, the baby farms from what I could glean from that single episode, don't seem to be all that successful.

Story wise, it seems like it would be a lot easier to make the President a Cylon. I mean, of all the high ranking government officials, she just happened to be in the clear when the bombs went off. But even that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, knowing what we know about Laura. She shows enormous compassion for the humans, none for the Cylons and she has cancer. So...all that's an act, plus they gave her cancer? Not to mention, the religious undertones... I mean, is a prophecy fulfilled if it's fulfilled on purpose by outside agents? If the Cylons do indeed have no idea where Earth is (assuming they want us to get to Earth at all) and their only way to obtain that information is by fulfilling some ancient prophecy, would they screw it up by substituting their own "Moses?"

A lot of thoughts there, I hope they made some sense.

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Ok, I just finished watching this week's episode and I have two questions for now.
Why, if the Fleet is so low on supplies and materials, did they allow the Cylon ships to be destroyed, if they were disabled by Sharon's virus?
Couldn't they round them up and part them out?
Seems wasteful to me.

Frakking great episode, though.
Love the new stealth viper. And the name.

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I will try and keep this short. I want to know so many things about NEXT week's episode. I mean how can they explain things with the Pegasus when it shows up? How will it find them? How did it's netowrked computers and modern Vipers survive? Can't the President put Adama in charge? Do you think Sheba will have sex with me? What kinds of kickass weapons does it have that the old Galactica does not have?

As far as this week - they did not give the Stealth part of the Viper enough face time. Helo made an offhanded comment and all of a sudden it was flying.

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I imagine the Pegasus is going to find Galactica the same way the Cylons did, that pulsing transponder signal (or whatever the hell they called it).

The stealth ship was nice, but....really, if Tyrol and crew can build an entirely new ship with scrap and reject parts, than why is it such a struggle to keep all the vipers in the air?

And next week's the season finale??? 11 shows. 11 shows, by my count....that's a full fledged season? It just got going!
Man, that sucks.

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I love this show.

I download it as soon as I can each week.

Right now I am at 62%

Though last weeks 'reporter' ep was filler if you ask me.

When I was in America me and my friends had food, poker and watched the Sci Fi line up every friday night.

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It was pretty good but I would have used the cylons for scrap parts also. doesn't make sense.

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Wow.

The season finale was a great cliffhanger. While the whole Pegasus arrival seemed a bit rushed, it was a great way to leave the series hanging until next season... which seems so far, far away.

I was impressed.. one of the better "cliffhangers" I've seen in the last few months.