Ethan

Hey there!

I had a weird premonition the other day about the storyline of the new series.

What if the Cylons saw themselves as the Fail-safe initiated by the original Lords of Kobal to fix humanity when morals and beliefs have gone astray? Think of it. The Cylons see themselves as superior to the normal humans, and the Cylons still back on Caprica act like they're trying to rebuild the planet for their own needs instead of totally destroy any signature of humanity.

Also, it has been noted in the deeper storyline statements that the humans are in what seems to be a repetitive cycle of events. It is as if they think that some great catastrophe (Cylons?) happens every ten millenia or so and humanity . . . just starts over. It left a weird impression on me to say the least.



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Mondak

Interesting and prolly not that far off Ethan. I mean if you think about it SOMETHING made them abandon Kobol in the first place when they moved to Caprica. That something could be the thread that ties them back to the whole "this has all happened before and will happen again" idea.

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portwineboy

I can't believe no Emmy noms for BG. I know certain episodes were submitted (33, the 2-part season finale, the premier, and one other that slips my mind). I have to wonder if they were even watched by the nominating committee.

I'm bummed, but not too bummed, because the season starts again tomorrow!

Best show on TV.

/edit to note that they picked up 2 technical nominations for visual effects.

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First episode airs TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm a huge sci fi geek.

i've seen every episode of bsg, and star gate.

mmMmmmm... star gate & bsg

i'm already droolin

guthmund

^ Thanks for reminding me!

I'm so caught up with the release of the new Harry Potter book that I completely forgot the second season starts tomorrow night.

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Mondak

Well - one more day to go and I for one and VERY Excited! I mean - it is pretty clear from the ads that my spoiler / script is totally right, but even then, it is going to be cool as heck.

Fremen - did you make it or did you crack? I'll be back here after I watch the episode to see what everyone thought of the episode. See you then.

/addict

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Fremen

I haven't read it yet, so I think I can hold out one more day.


/s-o-o-o tempted

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Well - that was really neat for me to watch. I have to tell you that while the script was in general right about the show, the details of the conversations were quite different. The biggest difference was in the flashbacks. Tigh was way more of a drunk / deadbeat than he was in the ones they showed. The LT on the planet was more of an idiot and the beat the piss out of Boomer in the script which they only kinda did in the episode.

I think this season overall is going to be really great. It will be interesting to see how they resolve all the open ends with Lee, the President and Kobal. Great time to get into the show even if you have never seen it before.

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guthmund

That was a pretty good start, no?

Not enough Gaius, in my opinion, and with the absence of the 'Old Man' the hole to be filled was pretty big. Still, a fine season opener.

Next week, looks particularly exciting too. I wonder, if Galactica is pulling recruits out of the colonial fleet regularly. It seems like every week a crap load of people die, but it never seems to thin their numbers.

Maybe I'm over thinking it.

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Nah - you are not overthinking it. I mean they kind of addressed it a few episodes back when Starbuck was training volunteers from the fleet. That is where "Hotdog" came from. What I think would be harder to replace are the Vipers themselves. I mean the Glactica was being converted to a Museum and didn't have a lot of fighters aboard and even then they had very few of the Newer ones (Mark VII I Think). The entire Starboard landing bay was already switched over to Museaum duty - so how many fighters could there be there? They would have to be manufactering them on other ships or something. I dunno. I keep waiting for the Pegasus to appear with some more Vipers. That is how they did it in the Original - the Pegasus gave all their fighters to the Galactica and went on a Suicide mission with a Base Star. Heck, I miss Sheba (I had a MAJOR crush on her - so pretty).

I am frustrated by the fact that no one knows that Baltar is a bad guy and find his scenes to be bothersome for that reason. Not enough Baltar, not until he is in the Stockade (or dead). I suppose that kind of reaction means he is a good charachter though - I am supposed to hate him.

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That's what I'm saying. I mean, when Galactica jumped back and the base star was throwing out thousands of baddies, they cut to a shot of the exiting vipers. There were maybe...2 dozen...maybe.

Someone's got to show up soon.

Why would they suspect Baltar was a bad guy? He had that little brush with the authorities when Six accused him of treason. Everybody seemed so sure of the good doctor's guilt. I imagine the subsequent clearing of the charges only cemented the fact that Baltar is a good guy deeper into the minds of Galactica's crew.

I don't know, I like the Gaius character, but what I really like is watching the actor himself. He's all over the map, but very believable. The scene in the theater with Six and the baby...good stuff.

Something that slipped my mind until now... Where do you think Caprica-Boomer went? She stole Starbuck's ride, but where would she go? Six seems to imply that pregnant Boomer is on her way to Gaius ([Gaius' daughter will] be with you soon), but she also implied that the baby in the vision was Gaius' actual daughter. So, I'm a little confused.

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You know - you are really selling me with the whole Baltar thing. That MUST be a tough role to pull off. I mean I am not sure if it happens in real life or not but whenever he gets out of line, she beats the piss out of him - slamming his head against a wall or something. He seems to have a healthy fear of her.

What I have to keep wondering is HOW excatlly she is in his head? I think she was in there since they were on Caprica, but what about when the Raptor was heading back to the Galactica after picking up the 5 kids, Baltar, the old lady and whoever else was in the ship that won the lottery they held. What if everyone in there was bugged. Speaking of which - it will be interesting to see if Tigh's wife is a Cylon although I think she is just a crazy bitch.

You know - now that I think about it, they went to Ragnar (that depot with all the Weapons etc.) and maybe they picked up a mess of old Vipers there or something. That is the only way I can explain them having anything at all.

Oh well...SPOON!!!

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guthmund

I'll convince you yet...

The thing that astounds me is that nobody had found this guy yet. I mean James Callis, the actor who plays Gaius, was a relative unknown (still outside the sci fi loop ) and here he is giving such a stellar performance. I can't wait for him to officially put on the 'Bad Guy' shoes.

I kind of touched on Six earlier in the thread if I remember correctly and really not much as changed. I still don't know what the hell is going on there. Is she real? Is she not? Is she all in his head? Or is it something else?

Tigh's wife. Not a Cylon, methinks, although with Cylon-Boomer exposed they seem to have lost their spy in the colonial military. Even still, I don't think she's a Cylon. Just your average run-of-the-mill status seeking drunk. She's certainly entertaining though, isn't she?

Moore's been pretty good about continuity in the series. I seem to remember hearing him talk about in one of his podcasts about keeping track of the number of vipers blown up each episode, so I'm sure he's not just going to ignore the whole thing.

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You have to like a guy like Moore who thinks of those things. Let's just hope that as this thing gets successful, they don't decide that they are smarter than he is.

I have met a number of women like Tigh's wife. They are frightening is how much trouble they cause. Unreal. They are doing a good job capturing that in her.

I read over a (my god I am a dork) transcript of the 1st episode of the Miniseries yesterday and Six said she implanted a chip into Baltar's brain while he was sleeping that projects her conciousness into his vision or whatever. She said it all funny though when they were on the Raptor on the way back from Caprica to the Galactica the first time. Maybe she was kidding. Speaking of Six, my wife and I are about to have our first (and likely only) kid in a couple weeks. We were working on names and I thought that it would be cool to have a number for a name although Six is too much like "Sex". I suggested "Twenty" and thought it would be a cool girl name. Result: Vetoed

guthmund - it would be cool to have a drink with you sometime and talk useless shit like this. Make sure if you are ever in Southern California you let me know. I don't think I will be in Arkansas any time soon (assuming that is where you are).

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portwineboy

Last Sunday's NYTimes Magazine had a pretty lengthy article about Hatch and Ron Moore and the creation of the series. A good read and (i think) still available for free on the website.

The Times evidently interviewed comic book guy as they have a bunch of quotes from some idiot who is very proud of the fact that he turned Ron Moore's name into MooreRon.

Worth the read, comic book guy aside.

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guthmund

Maybe she's a Seinfeld fan? Maybe 'Seven' would have been the better choice.

Well, thanks. I appreciate that. I've never been to Southern California, but rest assured if I do, I'll let you know as I've never been one to thumb my nose at alcohol.

portwineboy: Yeah, I seen that. They've got a link over at slashdot if I remember right. For those interested, Moore has a blog over at Scifi.com that's updated every so often and podcasts from all the episodes are available for download.

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Pretty interesting episode. Kinda funny because a lot of the things / conversations that they left out the the script from "Scattered" that I have actually ended up taking place in this episode. I guess that they ran out of time and wanted to make sure they didn't miss it. They added in the Cylon boarding party to fill it out the rest of the way, but other than that, the episode was basically the remainder.

What did you all think?

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I thought it was pretty good.

Baltar is just beginning to go round the bend it looks like. Before it was just sort of funny or odd sort of crazy. Now, I think, it's more a dangerous crazy. Good for him.

The only real problem I had was with the action away from the ship. The Helo/Starbuck scenes were nice, but not really all that important. While the scenes on Kobol (Not Baltar's scenes...perish the thought) were kind of important, but not all that nice as the acting was a bit...bad.

What I really liked about the episode was the fact that the Centurions seemed so much more deadly. Before, they just sort of walked around and shot things. They were more 'tank-ish' than deadly foot soldier. Here, however, they were fast. Especially during the last fight, where Apollo takes out the jumping Cylon. That thing was moving.

I don't understand why they need explosive rounds though. I mean, didn't Helo kill a couple of Centurions on Caprica with just his sidearm? I wouldn't think he'd have had 'explosive' ammunition packed.

I sure hope Adama Sr. is back up and moving next week. I mean, the shows are pretty good, but the brief blurb of the Old Man in Baltar's dream left me wanting just a bit more.

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I had my freakin' vcr set to record Firefly, all the way to the end of Galactica, but for some (probably my goof-up) reason it stopped recording 1 minute into BC.

Anybody know if they are still rerunning Galactica on Tuesday(?) nights?

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they mentioned something about their armor being tougher than usual. not sure how they phrased it in the show, but it was brought up.

guthmund

I don't know, but if you want it before then (assuming they show it) there are a number of torrent sites where it's up and running. isohunt.com should point you in the right direction.

They did? Well, then. That explains that.

It just goes to show how Moore and Co. are keeping track of the little things that drive the fans nuts. In the podcast for the latest episode, Moore mentioned that the number of survivors displayed at the end of the opening sequence is going to be updated for each show. It's such a small thing, but something most writers/producers/whatever tend to overlook. I was kind of impressed by that.

By the way, I highly suggest listening to Moore's podcasts of the episodes. You'll find them at the Galactica site over at Sci-Fi. It's good stuff.

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So 7pm, 8pm, 9pm go by and all my cable channels work except one. Can you guess which one? Yep - SciFI. It is sitting there with a black blank soundless screen. yikes. Just in time at 9:58 it comes back on and this week's BSG comes on. Whew. I was going to have to hurt someone.

I am sitting in my chair at the end of the episode saying, "I can hear guthmund now" (even though he had likely watched it two hours earlier.) Let's have it man. I know that was like your favorite episode ever. Baltar the Hero should have been the title.

Col. Tigh is a freaking retard. He is going to have to kill himself or something. He seems to have forgotten rule number 1 (women ruin everything). Add a bunch of booze and we are all in for a ride. Yikes.

And boy aren't those cylons resourceful? A moblile missle battery? Jeepers, what are they made of - freakin' Legos?

Meanwhile back on Caprica.....ummmm hello? What about my girl Starbuck? I am jonesing for a decent space battle one of these days as well. I mean yeah in the first episode of the season they technically had one, but then again, it seemed to be more about something else (as always) in this case a computer calculation / virus etc. How about a couple Vipers on deep space patrol gimme some one on one (three on three?) go ol' fashioned shoot em up?

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guthmund

A Ha! See that's what I like about the Baltar character. Just when you think you got him figured out..WHAM! He's coming from a different direction.

The voice of reason the whole show, saved Cally by shooting that putz (although, to be fair, that was probably a bit self serving...) and took the honorable route and told the world that Crashdown died a hero.

I need to start a Gaius Baltar Fan Club


I was kind of disappointed that Starbuck didn't make an appearance as well. I guess they have to push that story somewhere, but for the life of me, I can't see where it's going. I mean, Sharon and Helo were there the majority of last season, what can Starbuck and Helo do that Sharon and Helo couldn't?

Tigh, Tigh, Tigh...I just don't know what to think about you sometimes. How is it that a man who Adama sees so much in, be such a complete jackass? I was kind of on the fence concerning Tigh's wife being a Cylon, but I think the case is getting stronger; visiting the President? whispering poison in Tigh's ear about his command, the fleet and his position? If she's not a Cylon, she's a very, very nasty woman.

The Cylons parting the Raptor to build a missle battery? It's like anything can be anything else just as long as you re-arrange the parts, right? Had to be one of the greatest leaps of logic I've seen in the series. I mean, wouldn't it have a bit more believeable to have the Cylons just transport their own missle battery? And the big ass dish, Tyrol blew up, I guess they salvaged that from the Raptor too?

Next week looks pretty good. I hope it's the last one like this. Like you said, I'm ready for some space action. And I'm more than ready for Adama to come back and set everyone straight.

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Oops.. I forgot...

Seen this on Scifi.com. Seems the Pegasus is going to make an appearance this season...

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Thanks for the torrent info, guthmund. I didn't see it posted earlier.


You know, this thing with the president where she's supposedly a prophet is kinda getting on my nerves, and now Stargate SG1's new enemies are pseudo-religious godlike nuts.

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Mondak,
Any chance you could post a scan of the original doc? I'd be interested to read it word for word and see what it looked like.

mrklixx

Does it bother anybody else that they are not even trying to attempt to make things (weapons, vehicles, tools, etc) look like they are from another planet? It's really starting to kill the illusion for me. I don't know if it is just simply cost cutting measures or a lack of creativity, but if they wanted to make a show about all things earthlike they should have called it Spacefleet Terra Firma or something like that.

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Yeah, seeing a Humvee was a little jarring.
Maybe our neural-pathways evolved the same way, so we basically create the same shit.

This was a pretty great episode. Spoiler: I didn't even see this part (bathroom break), but read about it on another forum, about Galactica Boomer being assassinated by sweet little Cally. (I gotta see that Monday night for myself!)
Then there was Tigh accusing Tyrol of being a Cylon? damn, what a scene!

All the little nitpicks aside, I lurve this show.

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It does not bother me in the least. This isn't Star Trek afterall; BSG is about the people, not the technobabble.

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Don't get me wrong, I like the show too. But I think it could have been just as good of a show without using the "Battlestar Galactica" name, because there are far more differences than there are similarities.

And CandleInTheDark is right in that it is more of a political/military drama and barely even a sci-fi show at all. Which again makes me wonder about the motives of naming it after an existing sci-fi franchise.

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I don't know. It doesn't bother me so much.

Everything on the ship is like it is because it's practical. Wires on phones, doors that have to be physically opened and closed...it's all very practical. It really seems like a battle ready ship. Not that I've ever been on one..but you know..I read...a lot.

Automatic swooshing doors would be nice, but this ain't Star Trek. Carpet in CIC? Pssft...there ain't even carpet in the soldiers' rooms.

As for Kara's car, well, they were damned either way they went with that. If Kara had pulled out in some big ass floating machine of death with gull wing doors, the fans would still be bitching about it. Let me get this straight, they have old battery powered radios and such, but their car....flys?

Moore & Co. were damned either way, so I presume they erred on the cheap side.

They're slowly bringing us into the season and I kind of like that.

Sure right now it's hung up a little on the politcal/military stuff, but I think Moore is just trying to round out the show a bit more. I mean, fighting the cylons in space is nice, but every week? for months? I imagine it would get old pretty fast. The big space battles are coming, but right now, they've got some other territory they'd like to explore and I'm okay with that because it's entertaining and with 16 shows left (Moore mentioned it was 20 show season with a brief hiatus in the latest podcast), there's no need to rush anything. I'm more than happy to ride along for a while.

I've only seen the latest episode once (I like to watch them twice before sticking my head in here), so I won't comment too much on the episode other than to say...

1- Seems Baltar is drifting a bit to the dark side. Not that I mind, and it's nice to see the good doctor getting aggressive.

2- WOO-HOO!!! Adama is back on his feet!

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To have old fans view the pilot? Let's face it, the show probably would've never left the ground if it wasn't named for a pre-existing franchise.

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Well - sorry to be avoiding the TFP for so long. We had out our first kid the day after my last post and I declared a company wide holiday so I had time to dedicate around the house. I couldn't seem to justify screwing around the TFP if I wasn't even at least PRETENDING to work.

No way - I am way too lazy! The thing is like 60 pages since there is a lot of whitespace. I don't have any production scanners with robust ADFs on them around the office and so I might as well have to carve the thing out of stone rather than scan it in.

To that end though - I thought I was going to scoop you all with a Spoiler about the Pegasus and here you are already all talking about it! When I mentioned it the other day in my previous post, I was seriously just pulling it out of my ass. I talked to my friend who gave me the script this week and he told me I would see the Pegasus this season. I thought I would have some crazy good information and start some gnarly speculation. Drat. Well I still am hoping Sheba is hot. . .

I didn't have any trouble with the Hummer. They try to give nods all the time with cigarettes and other things that are the same as we do it on purpose. The theory being that these people are not Vulcans, they are US in their situation. Any way to help them make that connection, they seem to try. I mean at some point, get bent that they speak English while you are at it.

guthmundI am wondering if you will make it with all this face time with Baltar? Let's face it, I know you love the charachter and the actor, but I want the fleet to know that he sold out humanity and had a direct role in the death of billions of people on Caprica and the other colonies for some pussy. I want to see him crumble and crash when he is faced with what he has done.

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Big congratulations to the family Mondak. I've been around for a lot of new babies and seen a lot of new parents and well... to be honest, I'm amazed you got here as fast as you did. Blessings from the house of guthmund are heading your direction, sir.

I'm loving it. He wasn't in this last episode so much, but the few minutes of screen time he had, you can just tell he's getting ready to crack....just frakkin' explode.

Thoughts on the episode, folks?

Personally, something about this one didn't sit right. I didn't enjoy it as much as the others even with Adama back in the CIC. I can't put my finger on it, so I'll watch it again to see if I can pin it down.

I guess we know what...5 of the 8 Hu-lon (or is that Cy-mans?) models now? Leoben (the mercenary) Six, Boomer, the reporter and now...the doctor?

Nice.

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Where did the ship that that lifted them off of Caprica come from?


And I must have missed it in the pilot/mini series, but why is it again that they only have 8 skin jobs*? I mean if you can make yourself look just like the enemy, why make such a small number of "original"? Clearly the toasters are superior in strength and stamina so the only real use for the skin jobs is subterfuge, and once a models cover is "blown", that entire series is useless.



*blatantly stolen from Blade Runner

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Something didn't sit right with me either, but the thing is that it made the episode that much more compelling to me. I mean it is a little TOO convienient that the President took off for Kobol after what . . . a month has gone by that Starbuck has been gone? I have no idea. It is pretty unbelieveable but I suppose that kind of melarky is what will solidify Laura Roselin as a prophet.

Here is the big thing that was pissing me off though when I was trying to get to sleep: Boomer is sitting there telling all kinds of details about the Cylons - how many, efforts at breeding, all sorts of things. She then steals them a ship, kills a bunch of mechanicals, aids in blowing up a cylon baby factory and flies them back to Galactica (oh yeah no problem - we can just park this heavy Raider in your parking lot out in the open after fragging 50 Cylons and their very valuable facility - no need to worry about them comming after us with like 400 Raiders or anything...only like a million base stars parked in orbit right now). So here is the thing, Sharon is a Cylon. Got that??? It is not like she is helping them out of the goodness of her heart since she has now seen the light. If so, then she would come clean about such things a BALTAR IS A FRAKING CYLON AGENT WHO ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE VP!!!! Tell you what - while I am on the subject, here is another one of the 8 if you are following along at home - Tigh's wife is just some crazy bitch and that is all - BALTAR IS THE 6TH MODEL. Yep - he is a POS and he has no idea that he is a CYLON.

Either way - the next episode is going to be very interesting.

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The ship that showed up was, presumably, the ship they were after when Kara got herself pinched. Although, I must admit, it was a bit convenient (I believe the literary term is 'deus ex machina') the way Moore wrote it's acquisition into the storyline.

As for the 8... I don't exactly remember when they mentioned the eight models. I want to say it was during the mini-series, but I'm not all that sure. I do know it was during a conversation with Baltar and Six that it was mentioned. I presume that there are so few Cylon skin-jobs because it's difficult to do. As for their worth, well...you're right, once a model is outed, it becomes pretty worthless, but only if the entire fleet knows about it. These ships are all pretty big and aren't in constant contact with each other (again, all presumptions). So, when the fleet wide search went out for Leoben (Flesh & Bone) future models of Leoben couldn't very well show up on any of the ships. And I can't imagine that another Boomer is going to show up without some serious questions being raised as her assassination was a pretty public event. However, other models seem to be fine. I mean, the 'reporter' Cylon for instance was left at the weapons depot (Ragnarok?) early on. The entire thing was handled aboard the Galactica itself, so, it wasn't all that difficult for another 'reporter' skin-job to move about the fleet and subsequently infilitrate and suicide bomb Galactica.


You've hit the nail on the head. Maybe it's just these last few episodes and I assume it's simply to the further the storyline along enough to get to the really good stuff, but Moore has been taking the easy route a lot lately. All these conveniences and coincidences that just keep happening. I mentioned it above when I was talking about the raider Sharon snagged, but that's certainly not the only example. Starbuck is on Caprica, meets this guy and falls in love with him after what seems like just a few days? In one episode she's playfully flirting with him while playing ball and the next (a few days later?) she's sleeping with him and professing love? I get it in the sense that the story must be moved along and right quick considering this is television, but it's such a leap in logic that it's almost...unbelievable to a fault.

Laura spends an inordinate amount of time aboard the Astral Queen, which is Zarak's ship and should've been one of the first searched considering he's a member of the Quorom of Twelve. I mean, it doesn't take a genius to suppose that the Quorom is hiding her and it isn't a big stretch of imagination that Lee would take her to Zarak - the least likely member to hide her and the only member, as far as I know, to have his own personal ship.

Sharon single handedly snags a Cylon Raider (remember she was the only one on board and the resistance on the ground didn't seem all that sure it was a 'friendly') to save the day?

Yeah, it's the whole deus ex thing again. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but American fighter jets have transponders on them to locate them, god forbid, they should be stolen, hi-jacked or whatnot, right? Is it too much to assume that the Cylons have mastered interstellar flight, but not the homing beacon? Assuming Boomer disabled it, you better believe that they're going to be looking for it. Parking it in the middle of 'Resistance HQ' wasn't the smartest thing...

But even all that I can overlook and write it off as some master plan of the Cylons (We'll ignore the ship and let them think they got away to further our grand design). The problem with Sharon...no questions. Nobody asked any questions. She showed up out of the blue from behind a tree and all fears were calmed by Helo simply saying "She's one of us." Where did she come from? Why wasn't she with you when we picked you up? Why didn't either of you mention her before? None of these questions were asked and no satisfactory answers were given. Even when Caprica-Boomer starts spouting off all the Cylon shit at the end in the huddle, using a lot of 'we's' (blantantly implying she's a Cylon), Anders says nothing. Now I assume, he's been on Caprica for a while...long enough to know that there are humans (He might not know about the skin-jobs) working with the Cylons...wouldn't he be a little suspicious?


*GASP That hurts. That really hurts.

No seriously. A friend of mine brought this one up recently and I'll write here what I told him. I don't think Baltar is a Cylon. Not because I have some sort of man-crush on him ( ), but rather because he seems too important. All this effort, all this time, all the machinations of Six to get Baltar to see the Cylon's side of things is too much, in my opinion. Wouldn't it have been easier just to put in an already willing copy of Baltar, if indeed Baltar is a Cylon? They've already shown that infiltrating the fleet is easy-- Six shows up and then subsequently disappears, they manage to replace the 'reporter' skin-job to suicide bomb the Galactica, so on and so forth. So access to the fleet for the Cylons isn't a problem. No, Baltar is a human, which makes his betrayal of the human race all that much more dispicable.

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Well thought out G, but I have a couple thoughts.

I could see Sharon being able to get into the Cylon facility one way or another and steal the heavy Raider. You could either put it under the and THEY HAVE A PLAN heading where that is part of it or you could have her acting on her own to make it happen but the Cylons who were there let her in and then she attacked them. There were only 3 mechanical varieties there acording to the resistance guys. With the element of surprise, she could conciveably take them.

Under the and THEY HAVE A PLAN heading, Six has been telling Baltar for a month that he would have a kid soon. This has (to me) been obvious that it was going to be Boomer showing up at the Galactica, getting killed / being killed and then the kid lives / is saved. I think Boomer walks in to the refueling depot and flys out with the Raider.

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BTW - anyone else here think the Standard Cylon Raider is an updated cross between the old Raider and a Drakonian Hatchet Fighter?

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Furthermore, if Baltar was a human, why couldn't Six and Baltar have had the kid and fallen in love? You know why? I'll tell you why!!!! BECAUSE HE IS A CYLON FOR GODS SAKE!!!! Ok - actually I have no idea, I just really really want him to be a cylon.

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guthmund

Actually, and I didn't know this until I listened to the podcast this evening, Moore had a scene planned to explain how Sharon got a hold of the raider. He talked about a real brief scene showing Sharon walking along a slew of 'dead' centurions and the like as she walked aboard the ship. IIRC, the reason for the deletion was because of time constraints. He also mentioned that the 'beat' at the end when the raider comes over the hill wouldn't have worked as well as he thought it did if the audience already knew that Sharon was behind the stick.

I couldn't tell you. I still don't understand exactly what Six is...? I mean, is she just in Baltar's head or is she something tangible? I'm not even sure Moore knows what can of worms he opened up there.

The good doctor will get his, don't worry a second more about it. There is no doubt in my mind that by the end of this season, everyone is going to find out exactly what he's done. And that promises for some very good stuff...

Edit: Bad news, mate. According to Moore's blog at Sci-Fi, there will be no 'Sheba'. Too bad... I was kind of looking forward to it.

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I can always count on you for the good stuff.

I think someone is a little jealous?!?! She didn't fall in love, but she did like him and screwed him. It is only natural and I think I need less than a few days to get to know someone in order to determine that I would want to f*ck them. I think they wanted to set up that she is some kind of black widow (in her head) that whoever she goes for gets killed, even if it is for a brief moment of pleasure.

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