19 Year-Old Accused of Microwaving 2-Month old Baby (UPDATED) - Page 2 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

MySexyAssJ · 05-31-2007, 01:56 AM

OMG! He seriously had to be sick in the head to even think that would have been a good idea. He was 19 for crying out loud! Old enough to know better, unless he was sick in the head like I assume. If that's the case, then why in the hell was the baby in his care?! I cannot believe people these days...

Cynthetiq · 03-27-2008, 07:16 AM

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Dad Gets 25 Years for Microwaving Baby
By JUAN A. LOZANO,AP
Posted: 2008-03-27 10:32:39
Filed Under: Crime News, Nation News
GALVESTON, Texas (March 26) - Minutes after a jury sentenced him to 25 years in prison for severely burning his daughter in a microwave, a teary-eyed Joshua Mauldin listened one more time to details about the pain he had caused his child.

His daughter Ana's foster mother fought back tears as she detailed how after being injured, the girl's left hand was so burned that there was no skin, no muscle, no fat, only tendon and bone.

Ana suffered second- and third-degree burns to her left ear, cheek, hand and shoulder and has required several skin grafts. Part of her left ear had to be amputated.

Her foster mother, Heather Croxton, testified about Ana's screams as she's undergone painful surgeries and physical therapy that will continue for years.

"There is no excuse for your actions and I hate that one day you will be set free and allowed to move on with your life while Ana continues to pay for your actions," she told Mauldin during her emotional victim impact statement Wednesday.

Mauldin, 20, was sentenced after jurors deliberated for 6½ hours over two days. They also fined him $10,000.

Jurors had rejected Mauldin's claim he was insane at the time he put his then-2-month-old daughter in a Galveston hotel-room microwave and turned it on for 10 to 20 seconds. They convicted him Tuesday of felony injury to a child.

Just before putting her in the microwave in May 2007, Mauldin had punched Ana and placed her in the room's safe and refrigerator.

Prosecutors had wanted Mauldin to be sentenced to the maximum of life in prison.

But Galveston County prosecutor Xochitl Vandiver said she was satisfied with the decision. Mauldin has to serve at least half his sentence before being eligible for parole.

"I feel Ana will be well into adulthood when her father (is paroled) and that in and of itself is a great thing," she said.

Sam Cammack III, Mauldin's attorney, had asked jurors to consider his client's long history of mental illness and sentence him to probation so he could be treated at a hospital.

Cammack expressed disappointment in the sentence. "He still doesn't get the treatment for mental illness that he needs," Cammack said. "He's not going to get that in prison."

Jurors did not wish to comment after the trial concluded.

Prosecutors said Mauldin hurt his daughter because he was angry that he was in a loveless marriage and he didn't want to take care of the infant. They also said Mauldin had a history of violence and of lying about being mentally ill to get out of trouble.

Cammack said Mauldin has been wracked by mental illness since he was 10. Mauldin claimed he started hallucinating when he was left alone in the hotel room with his daughter, feeling like mud was running up his body and consuming him.

Mauldin at first told police his daughter had been severely sunburned, later changing his story and saying he had accidentally spilled hot water on her while making coffee.

After the sentence was handed down, Joanie Mauldin still insisted her son was insane. She blamed herself for not getting her son help and for Ana's injuries.

"I pray he gets help. But I don't see it happening in a penitentiary," she said, insisting her son loved his daughter. "Nobody in their right mind would cook a child."

The girl's mother, Eva Mauldin, refused defense attorneys' requests to testify and lives in Arkansas. A trial to terminate the Mauldins' parental rights is scheduled for April.

convicted and punished.

"There is no excuse for your actions and I hate that one day you will be set free and allowed to move on with your life while Ana continues to pay for your actions," she told Mauldin during her emotional victim impact statement Wednesday.

that's the most fucked up part....

Baraka_Guru · 03-27-2008, 07:42 AM

So was he let off easy, since there would be no punishment too cruel and/or unusual in this case? Can we not just cut his dick off and leave it on the road after driving a rusty metal object into him? Well, hopefully he will get beat up every day he's in jail, if someone doesn't kill him; it sure would take his mind off of his stretched and bleeding anus.

But maybe we aren’t satisfied with this. Should they break his bones and dislocate his joints to fit him in a microwave after all? Or should they just sever his head? Well, neither, if we want him to die a slow and painful death.

What a failure of justice this is. We had so many excellent ideas here—ideas that speak this man’s very language—ideas perhaps akin to his own mental processes. After all, those capable of such thoughts and actions have no place in civil society, not even behind bars.

Jinn · 03-27-2008, 08:15 AM

He should've gotten life. I don't support cruel or unusual punishment, torture or the capital punishment. He should've gotten life in prison, though. Twenty five years, only 12 of which have to be served before parole? FUCK!

QuasiMondo · 03-27-2008, 09:20 AM

Who says he will get paroled? Just because he's eligibile, doesn't mean it'll be granted to him.

Baraka_Guru · 03-27-2008, 09:23 AM

Not like he's a high-risk child microwaver anyway....

It was his first child-microwaving offense. Do we know of a cure for pedomicrowaviphiles?

(I know, I need to drop this and be more serious about it. I promise, this is the last one.)

The_Jazz · 03-27-2008, 10:28 AM

I can't imagine that any guard or inmate with kids in whatever prison he's going to are going to be especially motivated to take it easy on this guy. The best thing for everyone involved is for him to serve his time in protective custody, which is apparently harder time because of all the limitations.

And I have a hard time believing that a Texas parole board, even one 12 years away, would have a hard time denying parole after getting a letter from the victim asking them to keep him in.

Strange Famous · 03-27-2008, 12:47 PM

Well, if the guy cant stop the devil making him try to kill his own child in a awful and grusome manner - I wouldnt have thought he would make much of a preacher in any sense.

If the child lives it is not appropriate that he swings for it, but I think you have to look at a life with no parole for 30 years for something like this.

Kahn · 03-27-2008, 01:02 PM

It is cases like this that still perplex me how so many can turn their noses up to the death sentence. This guy is clearly sick, he cooked his fucking kid for fuck's sake. You think that can be fixed? You think this can be doctored up so he'll never do this or any other equally fucked up thing like this ever again?

are you fucking kidding me?

kill him
kill him now
and fucking get over it you fucking bleeding hearts

GAH this pisses me off

this kind of sickness can't be fixed AFTER his innocent child is scarred for life, AFTER the permanent damage has been done

repairing his mental illness NOW is too fucking late

so this young man had a fucked up life .. it made him absofrikkinlutely stupid in the head, to the point of thinking that COOKING HIS CHILD was a good fucking idea!!! .. deep down .. WAY the fuck deep down .. I sincerely feel bad for this guy and his fucked up life that led him to this decision

but you know what .. boo fuckin hoo

there were CLEAR signs in this guy's youth that certainly had to point to "that guy is fucked up in the head" and someone ignored it .. hell .. several people did .. and those people are equally to blame for not getting this guy the help he needed to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening .. but NOW is too late to try and fucking fix it .. the damage is already done

make him pay the price for nearly killing his child and get the fuck over it

execute him already .. GAH

Strange Famous · 03-27-2008, 01:36 PM

How can the death penalty be applied when the victim is not dead?

Willravel · 03-27-2008, 01:48 PM

Institutionalize him.
Institutionalize him now.
Get over it you people who want blood instead of justice.

Gah.

Strange Famous · 03-27-2008, 02:00 PM

Giving him mental health care may (if it is of sufficient quality) be the best thing for him, and it may be the best thing in terms of making society safe from him re-offending.

The point is he must be punished to satisfy the victim, the victims new family, and society in general.

The point of the justic system is not only to protect society, it is also to carry out vengence on behalf of the powerless.

Willravel · 03-27-2008, 02:02 PM

Nope, pretty much just justice in the justice system. It's right there in the name.

Kahn · 03-27-2008, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel

Institutionalize him.
Institutionalize him now.
Get over it you people who want blood instead of justice.

Gah.

was I too emotionally passionate that time?
my bad

touche mate

the "Gah" at the end there was an especially nice touch

Willravel · 03-27-2008, 02:25 PM

No worries.

Kahn · 03-27-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

No worries.

In all fairness, I should apologize for my outburst in this thread. For starters, I just recently discovered some terrible news of a personal nature and it put me in somewhat of a foul mood. Nothing to fret over, all is actually resolving well enough on that front now, but it is a simple explanation to PART of my emotionally charged post.

This guy clearly needs professional help .. not the death penalty .. I concede that. I was upset by personal matters AND the fact that this nutjob tried to cook his frikkin kid. The mental state of someone capable of that is extremely disturbing and in all honesty, I was actually trying to be somewhat facetious. I can see now how my post may not have seemed as such.

Sadly, the death sentence is most likely all this guy will effectively get though, considering he got .. what was it, 25 years or so? He won't last that long. Some other nutjob will hear about his case and either fall in love and keep him sequestered in the shower or shank him when they've had their own version of "justice" determined. Terrible situation all around.

Strange Famous · 03-27-2008, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel

Nope, pretty much just justice in the justice system. It's right there in the name.

Does the state of the US Prison give you the idea that it is just?

(and not especially the US system, pick any country)

Willravel · 03-27-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kahn

In all fairness, I should apologize for my outburst in this thread. For starters, I just recently discovered some terrible news of a personal nature and it put me in somewhat of a foul mood.

I could write books about posting under the influence of *grr*.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Does the state of the US Prison give you the idea that it is just?

It's supposed to be, even though it isn't.

Strange Famous · 03-27-2008, 02:43 PM

People dont want it to be.

I dont know about in the US, but in the UK every other week you read articles about prison being like a hotel or a holiday camp (it isnt)

People feel threatened by hostile forces, real or imagined, and they want to see the violence of the state brought against them... this is the will of the people.

Willravel · 03-27-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

People dont want it to be.

I say this with all due respect to those people: they can go fornicate.

We're better than vengeance as policy, and anyone who thinks differently needs to do some serious reflection on why they want to harm others.

settie · 03-27-2008, 10:58 PM

*turns pale*
Sometimes I really hate people. This news makes me sick to my stomach. How could someone do something so terrible? I really don't understand people sometimes.
*shudders*
And my mom wonders why sometimes I just don't want to read the newspaper...heh.

Cynthetiq · 09-08-2008, 10:52 AM

Well mom gets life.... justice served? Maybe.

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View: Mom gets life in prison for microwaving baby
Source: CNN
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Mom gets life in prison for microwaving baby
Story Highlights

NEW: China Arnold will not have a chance at parole
Jury could not reach unanimous decision on death penalty
The defense had argued Arnold was drunk when the crime occurred
Month-old daughter, Paris Talley, died of burns

DAYTON, Ohio (AP) -- A woman has been sentenced to life in prison without a chance of parole for killing her baby daughter in a microwave oven.

Twenty-eight-year-old China Arnold chose not to be in the courtroom for Monday's sentencing.

Arnold was convicted of aggravated murder in the 2005 death of month-old daughter Paris Talley.

She was spared the death penalty because jurors could not reach a consensus on the punishment.

It was Arnold's second trial; the first ended in a mistrial when new witnesses surfaced.

Defense attorney Jon Paul Rion has asked for a third trial, saying a former cellmate who said Arnold confessed has now changed her story.

Arnold was accused of killing month-old Paris Talley in 2005. A judge declared a mistrial in February, and the retrial began August 18. The jury found Arnold guilty Friday of aggravated murder.

During the trial, an 8-year-old boy said he saw another boy walk into the kitchen of a nearby apartment with the baby, heard the microwave go on and then later saw the burned baby in the microwave.

Ayashe · 09-08-2008, 05:30 PM

It is near impossible for me to meet any understanding at all on the level of cruelty that was put on the lives of the most innocent people there possibly could be. It is impossible for me to have any sort of remorse for the criminals who committed these awful crimes. I try to be understanding of others as a rule, this I fail to understand. There is no punishment that could be so just for this. Even in seeking revenge and damaging the criminals in the same manner that they caused to their victims, it isn't the same. It doesn't bring the victims back to where they were, it doesn't heal their wounds.

At the end of the day, no matter how many answers they give to justify their actions, they will have to answer to themselves and perhaps some deity if they have faith in that sort of thing. I honestly don't believe that I could live with myself having done what they had done, death for myself would come easy.

Plan9 · 09-08-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ourcrazymodern?

Maybe somebody makes a microwave big enough for an "adult" to fit into?

They've got a red and white arm band with a funny swirly black cross on it when you invent one.
-----Added 8/9/2008 at 09 : 41 : 11-----

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willravel

Institutionalize him.
Institutionalize him now.
Get over it you people who want blood instead of justice.

Gah.

The things you value...

sunshine16 · 09-09-2008, 11:11 AM

How can a baby fit in a microwave!!?

inBOIL · 09-09-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshine16

How can a baby fit in a microwave!!?

You might have to cut it into little pieces first. That, or use a larger microwave.

Merlocke · 09-09-2008, 10:02 PM

It's things like this that drop my faith in humanity. Although it's a freak occurrence as people don't normally microwave their babies... The question is in my mind - is it worth saving people who are this far out of whack? At what point in time is it too far gone, and where we should just cut society's losses by running the death penalty? Seriously - how much tax payer money must be thrown at a basically hopeless cause? It's not from a position of vengeance or anger, or even satisfaction. More from a practicality and efficiency standpoint - is there any true value salvaging him? Take the feelings out of the picture for a moment - hell if I was ever this far gone - please do me a favour and get rid of me.

inBOIL · 09-10-2008, 04:50 PM

It may be cheaper to house someone in prison for life than to pay the cost of appeals that usually follow a death sentence.

The_Dunedan · 09-10-2008, 05:30 PM

I'm curious. And I say this as a person who opposes capital punishment in almost all cases.

Everyone keeps saying "this guy needs help." Has anyone ever heard of a case where someone who was -this- brainfucked, self-centered, and stupid -ever- got -any- better? I haven't. Charlie Manson is still Charlie Manson, Richard Speck stayed Richard Speck, and something tells me that no amount of therapy is going to "fix" someone who thinks nuking a baby to keep her quiet is acceptable behavior or a good idea. This guy is either a sociopath or a complete and utter idiot, and in neither case does he ever need to inflict himself upon society again.

We shoot rabid dogs, because they can't be cured and can only injure, kill, and infect their victims. No help for them exists, and none is likely. And frankly, I'd continue to trust my 12-bore to deal with such problems; I'd have to see a -LOT- of successes before I'd take home a "formerly rabid" dog. I find myself wondering at times whether we shouldn't handle certain people the same way. If they cannot be fixed (and I don't think this kind of headfuck can be), they remain a significant danger to those around them. If we cannot shoot them, we should at very least cage them until they die.

Stare At The Sun · 09-11-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

Before someone chimes in about this shitstain "finally being able to get the help that he so desperatly needs"...I want to take a moment to declare no punishment too cruel and/or unusual in this case. Hopefully, getting beaten up in jail every day for the rest of his life, is the part of the day that he actually has to look forward to. It'll take his mind off of his stretched and bleeding anus.

Perhaps you should reconsider your user name.

05-31-2007, 01:56 AM	#41 (permalink)
MySexyAssJ Tilted Location: Los Angeles	OMG! He seriously had to be sick in the head to even think that would have been a good idea. He was 19 for crying out loud! Old enough to know better, unless he was sick in the head like I assume. If that's the case, then why in the hell was the baby in his care?! I cannot believe people these days... __________________ Once bitten, Twice shy.

03-27-2008, 07:42 AM	#43 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	So was he let off easy, since there would be no punishment too cruel and/or unusual in this case? Can we not just cut his dick off and leave it on the road after driving a rusty metal object into him? Well, hopefully he will get beat up every day he's in jail, if someone doesn't kill him; it sure would take his mind off of his stretched and bleeding anus. But maybe we aren’t satisfied with this. Should they break his bones and dislocate his joints to fit him in a microwave after all? Or should they just sever his head? Well, neither, if we want him to die a slow and painful death. What a failure of justice this is. We had so many excellent ideas here—ideas that speak this man’s very language—ideas perhaps akin to his own mental processes. After all, those capable of such thoughts and actions have no place in civil society, not even behind bars. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

03-27-2008, 08:15 AM	#44 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	He should've gotten life. I don't support cruel or unusual punishment, torture or the capital punishment. He should've gotten life in prison, though. Twenty five years, only 12 of which have to be served before parole? FUCK! __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

03-27-2008, 09:20 AM	#45 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	Who says he will get paroled? Just because he's eligibile, doesn't mean it'll be granted to him. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

03-27-2008, 09:23 AM	#46 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Not like he's a high-risk child microwaver anyway.... It was his first child-microwaving offense. Do we know of a cure for pedomicrowaviphiles? (I know, I need to drop this and be more serious about it. I promise, this is the last one.) __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

03-27-2008, 10:28 AM	#47 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	I can't imagine that any guard or inmate with kids in whatever prison he's going to are going to be especially motivated to take it easy on this guy. The best thing for everyone involved is for him to serve his time in protective custody, which is apparently harder time because of all the limitations. And I have a hard time believing that a Texas parole board, even one 12 years away, would have a hard time denying parole after getting a letter from the victim asking them to keep him in. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

03-27-2008, 12:47 PM	#48 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Well, if the guy cant stop the devil making him try to kill his own child in a awful and grusome manner - I wouldnt have thought he would make much of a preacher in any sense. If the child lives it is not appropriate that he swings for it, but I think you have to look at a life with no parole for 30 years for something like this. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

03-27-2008, 01:02 PM	#49 (permalink)
Kahn Psycho Location: Physically in Houston, TX - Mentally Lost in Time	It is cases like this that still perplex me how so many can turn their noses up to the death sentence. This guy is clearly sick, he cooked his fucking kid for fuck's sake. You think that can be fixed? You think this can be doctored up so he'll never do this or any other equally fucked up thing like this ever again? are you fucking kidding me? kill him kill him now and fucking get over it you fucking bleeding hearts GAH this pisses me off this kind of sickness can't be fixed AFTER his innocent child is scarred for life, AFTER the permanent damage has been done repairing his mental illness NOW is too fucking late so this young man had a fucked up life .. it made him absofrikkinlutely stupid in the head, to the point of thinking that COOKING HIS CHILD was a good fucking idea!!! .. deep down .. WAY the fuck deep down .. I sincerely feel bad for this guy and his fucked up life that led him to this decision but you know what .. boo fuckin hoo there were CLEAR signs in this guy's youth that certainly had to point to "that guy is fucked up in the head" and someone ignored it .. hell .. several people did .. and those people are equally to blame for not getting this guy the help he needed to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening .. but NOW is too late to try and fucking fix it .. the damage is already done make him pay the price for nearly killing his child and get the fuck over it execute him already .. GAH __________________ Attention everyone: We have another potential asshole in the area ! You don't have bad luck, the reason bad things happen to you is because you're a dumbass !! Dinner $50 Drinks $30 Motel $40 Finding out she swallows - PRICELESS!!!

03-27-2008, 01:36 PM	#50 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	How can the death penalty be applied when the victim is not dead? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

03-27-2008, 01:48 PM	#51 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Institutionalize him. Institutionalize him now. Get over it you people who want blood instead of justice. Gah.

03-27-2008, 02:00 PM	#52 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Giving him mental health care may (if it is of sufficient quality) be the best thing for him, and it may be the best thing in terms of making society safe from him re-offending. The point is he must be punished to satisfy the victim, the victims new family, and society in general. The point of the justic system is not only to protect society, it is also to carry out vengence on behalf of the powerless. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

03-27-2008, 02:02 PM	#53 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Nope, pretty much just justice in the justice system. It's right there in the name.

03-27-2008, 02:25 PM	#55 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	No worries.

03-27-2008, 02:43 PM	#59 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	People dont want it to be. I dont know about in the US, but in the UK every other week you read articles about prison being like a hotel or a holiday camp (it isnt) People feel threatened by hostile forces, real or imagined, and they want to see the violence of the state brought against them... this is the will of the people. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

03-27-2008, 10:58 PM	#61 (permalink)
settie Junkie	turns pale Sometimes I really hate people. This news makes me sick to my stomach. How could someone do something so terrible? I really don't understand people sometimes. shudders And my mom wonders why sometimes I just don't want to read the newspaper...heh.

09-08-2008, 05:30 PM	#63 (permalink)
Ayashe Psycho	It is near impossible for me to meet any understanding at all on the level of cruelty that was put on the lives of the most innocent people there possibly could be. It is impossible for me to have any sort of remorse for the criminals who committed these awful crimes. I try to be understanding of others as a rule, this I fail to understand. There is no punishment that could be so just for this. Even in seeking revenge and damaging the criminals in the same manner that they caused to their victims, it isn't the same. It doesn't bring the victims back to where they were, it doesn't heal their wounds. At the end of the day, no matter how many answers they give to justify their actions, they will have to answer to themselves and perhaps some deity if they have faith in that sort of thing. I honestly don't believe that I could live with myself having done what they had done, death for myself would come easy.

09-09-2008, 11:11 AM	#65 (permalink)
sunshine16 Registered User Location: top of the world	How can a baby fit in a microwave!!?

09-09-2008, 10:02 PM	#67 (permalink)
Merlocke Location: Canada	It's things like this that drop my faith in humanity. Although it's a freak occurrence as people don't normally microwave their babies... The question is in my mind - is it worth saving people who are this far out of whack? At what point in time is it too far gone, and where we should just cut society's losses by running the death penalty? Seriously - how much tax payer money must be thrown at a basically hopeless cause? It's not from a position of vengeance or anger, or even satisfaction. More from a practicality and efficiency standpoint - is there any true value salvaging him? Take the feelings out of the picture for a moment - hell if I was ever this far gone - please do me a favour and get rid of me. __________________ -=[ Merlocke ]=-

09-10-2008, 04:50 PM	#68 (permalink)
inBOIL I have eaten the slaw	It may be cheaper to house someone in prison for life than to pay the cost of appeals that usually follow a death sentence. __________________ And you believe Bush and the liberals and divorced parents and gays and blacks and the Christian right and fossil fuels and Xbox are all to blame, meanwhile you yourselves create an ad where your kid hits you in the head with a baseball and you don't understand the message that the problem is you.

09-10-2008, 05:30 PM	#69 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	I'm curious. And I say this as a person who opposes capital punishment in almost all cases. Everyone keeps saying "this guy needs help." Has anyone ever heard of a case where someone who was -this- brainfucked, self-centered, and stupid -ever- got -any- better? I haven't. Charlie Manson is still Charlie Manson, Richard Speck stayed Richard Speck, and something tells me that no amount of therapy is going to "fix" someone who thinks nuking a baby to keep her quiet is acceptable behavior or a good idea. This guy is either a sociopath or a complete and utter idiot, and in neither case does he ever need to inflict himself upon society again. We shoot rabid dogs, because they can't be cured and can only injure, kill, and infect their victims. No help for them exists, and none is likely. And frankly, I'd continue to trust my 12-bore to deal with such problems; I'd have to see a -LOT- of successes before I'd take home a "formerly rabid" dog. I find myself wondering at times whether we shouldn't handle certain people the same way. If they cannot be fixed (and I don't think this kind of headfuck can be), they remain a significant danger to those around them. If we cannot shoot them, we should at very least cage them until they die.