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bacon_masta · 03-18-2004, 11:28 AM

the community edition of mandrake linux 10.0 became available for free download the tenth of this month. i downloaded it yesterday, installed it last night, and i'm already having problems.

i've been running mandrake linux 9.2 for quite some time, and burned quite a bit of media while i was using it. for some strange reason, when i tried to view the contents of any cd's that had been burned with mandrake 9.2 (k3b, actually) all i got was gibberish. it's not my hardware or my drivers, i've tried it on another machine and got the same result. it may be a problem caused by the differences in the 2.4.22 and 2.6.3 kernels, but i haven't been able to find any documentation on the subject.

i'm surprised that mandrakesoft didn't catch this "little bug" before the release of their new product, and i'm a little disappointed. i'm definitely a fan of mandrake linux, it made the windows/linux switch almost completely painless for me. the os itself is great, i just can't believe that i'm down 40 or 50 cd's just because of a back compatibility issue. has anyone had any other problems or major bugs with 10.0?

Cocktopus · 03-18-2004, 05:09 PM

Assuming they aren't audio, are you mounting the cds from the shell, or through a window manager/gui?

If you haven't already, try this from the shell:

# mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
# cd /mnt/cdrom
# ls -la | more

to unmount, jump out of the /mnt/cdrom folder
# cd /home
# umount /mnt/cdrom

Latch · 03-18-2004, 11:26 PM

As for your problem.. not sure, sorry. I'm just here to post about Mandrake 10 Community hehe.

I've read a couple reviews on Mandrake 10 Community.. overall it's a good thing, but it has some major bugs (the first CD won't boot for some people.. you have to insert the second, boot off it.. switch back to the first, and install.. kind of a pain). I'd wait for Mandrake 10 (non-community) to come out in a few months. Maybe they'll have fixed some of the bugs by then.

SecretMethod70 · 03-19-2004, 12:39 AM

I've been out of the Mandrake loop for awhile...anyone care to explain to me what exactly Mandrake 10 Community is?

bacon_masta · 03-19-2004, 10:57 AM

i tried mounting the cd rom quite a few different ways. i even changed the drivers. a kid i go to school with says it's an oversight on the development of the 2.6.x kernel, but i don't know if he's blowing smoke up my ass or not.

SecretMethod: mandrake is among the easiest to use linux flavors available. it's free, open source, and almost as easy to use as windows. mandrake 10.0 community is just the free public edition of the newest mandrake release.

SecretMethod70 · 03-19-2004, 12:21 PM

hehe thanks bacon_masta...I do at least know what Mandrake is btw

So, if Mandrake 10 Community is the free public edition, then what is the Mandrake 10 (non-Community) that Latch is talking about? Seems to me by his post that one can download that for free too. I haven't used Mandrake since 8.2 so I really don't know what's going on with them anymore, but I do have a certain fondness for them since it was my first distro so I'm curious

Hope they're not having more troubles

digby · 03-19-2004, 01:40 PM

Mandrake's naming conventions have gotten a little confusing. The 10.0 Community release is really a sort of final beta before the 10.0 Official release (due around May, I believe). Already there are over 300 Mb of updates for the system installed by the downloadable .iso files. I tried to install it the other night, but after the installer locked for the 5th time I gave up and decided to stick with 9.2 (the last official release) until some of the major problems are resolved.

If anyone is considering installing 10.0 community, be ye warned: A lot of people are finding that they cannot boot their windows install after installing Mandrake 10. The error has something to do with the differences in how Linux and Windows write partition tables and the actual physical geometry of the harddisk. If you have already encounctered this problem you can try to go into your bios and set your drive settings from auto to Logical Block Address (LBA). This has resolved the issue for some but not all.

JStrider · 03-19-2004, 02:33 PM

i figured id try the mandrake 10 community on my comp with red hat....

so first i cant get the thing to boot off the cd... ok whatever... make the floppy... boot off it... good to go...

then it asks me for language... then the license agreement... then it says its loading somethin or the other... then it freezes... cant get it to go past that point... ohwell... i'll have to try the final release when it comes out...

SecretMethod70 · 03-19-2004, 05:34 PM

Hmmm....I don't like hearing that. "Community" makes it seem like an official sort of release and if it's really basically a beta that's pretty misleading.

JStrider · 03-19-2004, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SecretMethod70
Hmmm....I don't like hearing that. "Community" makes it seem like an official sort of release and if it's really basically a beta that's pretty misleading.

yah... i was thinkin the same thing...

Latch · 03-19-2004, 06:25 PM

Apparently it's called Community because it was released to MandrakeClub members first, as a bit of a "preview". It was so popular that it was offered to non-MandrakeClub members after a time.

I think that's how it works. No promises though

twister002 · 03-19-2004, 11:00 PM

I downloaded it a week or so ago and haven't installed it yet. I've got a dedicated machine that I can dink around with (old Celeron-333) so no worries about the Windows partition problem.

So in the past when I've created a dual-boot machine I've always done it manually. I've never tried to let Mandrake or any other Linux distro re-size and re-partition my Windows drive. Has anyone here tried that and pulled it off?

Latch · 03-20-2004, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by twister002
I downloaded it a week or so ago and haven't installed it yet. I've got a dedicated machine that I can dink around with (old Celeron-333) so no worries about the Windows partition problem.

So in the past when I've created a dual-boot machine I've always done it manually. I've never tried to let Mandrake or any other Linux distro re-size and re-partition my Windows drive. Has anyone here tried that and pulled it off?

I think SuSE and Mandrake are the only distros that do it, and it's a fairly new thing for both of them.

bacon_masta · 03-20-2004, 01:24 AM

twister: i've actually allowed mandrake to auto-allocate the size of the partition on a pc that was running windows xp, slackware 9.1, and college linux. it worked a few times, but then lilo geeked out on me (i still have no idea what happened to this day, i was forced to reformat because i couldn't load any os). i've had great success with just a dualboot of mandrake and xp, or mandrake and one other os. i haven't tried it with more than one other os since it crashed lilo, it's way too much trouble.

btw, community is just the beta??? no wonder i'm having so many problems with it. i like the fact that it's got a ton of the same shit as 9.2, but had i known that the "official" release was going to be in may, i would've waited. so, does anyone know who to submit the debugging information to? i'm a big enough mandrake fan that i definately want to help improve the os in any way i can

Jakejake · 04-15-2004, 07:37 AM

Damnit...I was under the impression that 10.0 was a final release. There is little to no mention on the Mandrake site that it is anything but a final release. No wonder my XP installation got destroyed.

bacon_masta · 04-15-2004, 07:40 AM

yeah, i'm back on 9.2. don't really use it for anything but programming, about everything else i do with my pc is either entertainment or school, which means xp

nanofever · 04-15-2004, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Latch
As for your problem.. not sure, sorry. I'm just here to post about Mandrake 10 Community hehe.

I've read a couple reviews on Mandrake 10 Community.. overall it's a good thing, but it has some major bugs (the first CD won't boot for some people.. you have to insert the second, boot off it.. switch back to the first, and install.. kind of a pain). I'd wait for Mandrake 10 (non-community) to come out in a few months. Maybe they'll have fixed some of the bugs by then.

I had to make a boot disk and the install always crashes when "resizing the windows partition".

Any ideas ?

Edit: The drive I'm installing mandrake to is not the windows system drive and I'm using a SATA HD non-raid.

JStrider · 04-15-2004, 02:49 PM

well the mandrake 10 final was released... looks like ya have to register with their community to get it right now... but im sure before too long we'll be able to get it other places...

03-18-2004, 11:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
bacon_masta Psycho Location: i live in the state of denial	mandrake linux 10.0 community the community edition of mandrake linux 10.0 became available for free download the tenth of this month. i downloaded it yesterday, installed it last night, and i'm already having problems. i've been running mandrake linux 9.2 for quite some time, and burned quite a bit of media while i was using it. for some strange reason, when i tried to view the contents of any cd's that had been burned with mandrake 9.2 (k3b, actually) all i got was gibberish. it's not my hardware or my drivers, i've tried it on another machine and got the same result. it may be a problem caused by the differences in the 2.4.22 and 2.6.3 kernels, but i haven't been able to find any documentation on the subject. i'm surprised that mandrakesoft didn't catch this "little bug" before the release of their new product, and i'm a little disappointed. i'm definitely a fan of mandrake linux, it made the windows/linux switch almost completely painless for me. the os itself is great, i just can't believe that i'm down 40 or 50 cd's just because of a back compatibility issue. has anyone had any other problems or major bugs with 10.0?

03-19-2004, 12:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	I've been out of the Mandrake loop for awhile...anyone care to explain to me what exactly Mandrake 10 Community is? __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-19-2004, 12:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	hehe thanks bacon_masta...I do at least know what Mandrake is btw So, if Mandrake 10 Community is the free public edition, then what is the Mandrake 10 (non-Community) that Latch is talking about? Seems to me by his post that one can download that for free too. I haven't used Mandrake since 8.2 so I really don't know what's going on with them anymore, but I do have a certain fondness for them since it was my first distro so I'm curious Hope they're not having more troubles __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-19-2004, 01:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
digby Crazy Location: Ahh, the lovely South	Mandrake's naming conventions have gotten a little confusing. The 10.0 Community release is really a sort of final beta before the 10.0 Official release (due around May, I believe). Already there are over 300 Mb of updates for the system installed by the downloadable .iso files. I tried to install it the other night, but after the installer locked for the 5th time I gave up and decided to stick with 9.2 (the last official release) until some of the major problems are resolved. If anyone is considering installing 10.0 community, be ye warned: A lot of people are finding that they cannot boot their windows install after installing Mandrake 10. The error has something to do with the differences in how Linux and Windows write partition tables and the actual physical geometry of the harddisk. If you have already encounctered this problem you can try to go into your bios and set your drive settings from auto to Logical Block Address (LBA). This has resolved the issue for some but not all. __________________ mmmm.... pudding

03-19-2004, 02:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	i figured id try the mandrake 10 community on my comp with red hat.... so first i cant get the thing to boot off the cd... ok whatever... make the floppy... boot off it... good to go... then it asks me for language... then the license agreement... then it says its loading somethin or the other... then it freezes... cant get it to go past that point... ohwell... i'll have to try the final release when it comes out... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

03-18-2004, 05:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Cocktopus Insane	Assuming they aren't audio, are you mounting the cds from the shell, or through a window manager/gui? If you haven't already, try this from the shell: # mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom # cd /mnt/cdrom # ls -la \| more to unmount, jump out of the /mnt/cdrom folder # cd /home # umount /mnt/cdrom

03-18-2004, 11:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
Latch In Your Dreams Location: City of Lights	As for your problem.. not sure, sorry. I'm just here to post about Mandrake 10 Community hehe. I've read a couple reviews on Mandrake 10 Community.. overall it's a good thing, but it has some major bugs (the first CD won't boot for some people.. you have to insert the second, boot off it.. switch back to the first, and install.. kind of a pain). I'd wait for Mandrake 10 (non-community) to come out in a few months. Maybe they'll have fixed some of the bugs by then.

03-19-2004, 10:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
bacon_masta Psycho Location: i live in the state of denial	i tried mounting the cd rom quite a few different ways. i even changed the drivers. a kid i go to school with says it's an oversight on the development of the 2.6.x kernel, but i don't know if he's blowing smoke up my ass or not. SecretMethod: mandrake is among the easiest to use linux flavors available. it's free, open source, and almost as easy to use as windows. mandrake 10.0 community is just the free public edition of the newest mandrake release.

03-19-2004, 05:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Hmmm....I don't like hearing that. "Community" makes it seem like an official sort of release and if it's really basically a beta that's pretty misleading. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-19-2004, 06:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
Latch In Your Dreams Location: City of Lights	Apparently it's called Community because it was released to MandrakeClub members first, as a bit of a "preview". It was so popular that it was offered to non-MandrakeClub members after a time. I think that's how it works. No promises though

03-19-2004, 11:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
twister002 Crazy	I downloaded it a week or so ago and haven't installed it yet. I've got a dedicated machine that I can dink around with (old Celeron-333) so no worries about the Windows partition problem. So in the past when I've created a dual-boot machine I've always done it manually. I've never tried to let Mandrake or any other Linux distro re-size and re-partition my Windows drive. Has anyone here tried that and pulled it off?

03-20-2004, 01:24 AM	#14 (permalink)
bacon_masta Psycho Location: i live in the state of denial	twister: i've actually allowed mandrake to auto-allocate the size of the partition on a pc that was running windows xp, slackware 9.1, and college linux. it worked a few times, but then lilo geeked out on me (i still have no idea what happened to this day, i was forced to reformat because i couldn't load any os). i've had great success with just a dualboot of mandrake and xp, or mandrake and one other os. i haven't tried it with more than one other os since it crashed lilo, it's way too much trouble. btw, community is just the beta??? no wonder i'm having so many problems with it. i like the fact that it's got a ton of the same shit as 9.2, but had i known that the "official" release was going to be in may, i would've waited. so, does anyone know who to submit the debugging information to? i'm a big enough mandrake fan that i definately want to help improve the os in any way i can

04-15-2004, 07:37 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jakejake Crazy	Damnit...I was under the impression that 10.0 was a final release. There is little to no mention on the Mandrake site that it is anything but a final release. No wonder my XP installation got destroyed.

04-15-2004, 07:40 AM	#16 (permalink)
bacon_masta Psycho Location: i live in the state of denial	yeah, i'm back on 9.2. don't really use it for anything but programming, about everything else i do with my pc is either entertainment or school, which means xp

04-15-2004, 02:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	well the mandrake 10 final was released... looks like ya have to register with their community to get it right now... but im sure before too long we'll be able to get it other places... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto