iPhone and appleTV - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Willravel · 01-09-2007, 02:44 PM

Quote:

iPhone combines three products — a revolutionary mobile phone, a widescreen iPod with touch controls, and a breakthrough Internet communications device with desktop-class email, web browsing, maps, and searching — into one small and lightweight handheld device. iPhone also introduces an entirely new user interface based on a large multi-touch display and pioneering new software, letting you control everything with just your fingers. So it ushers in an era of software power and sophistication never before seen in a mobile device, completely redefining what you can do on a mobile phone.

www.apple.com

So here it is, the long awaited iPhone from the trendiest electronics company in the world, Apple.

Quote:

Widescreen iPodiPhone is a widescreen iPod with touch controls that lets you enjoy all your content — including music, audiobooks, videos, TV shows, and movies — on a beautiful 3.5-inch widescreen display. It also lets you sync your content from the iTunes library on your PC or Mac. And then you can access it all with just the touch of a finger.

Quote:

Revolutionary Phone
iPhone is a revolutionary new mobile phone that allows you to make a call by simply pointing your finger at a name or number in your address book, a favorites list, or a call log. It also automatically syncs all your contacts from a PC, Mac, or Internet service. And it lets you select and listen to voicemail messages in whatever order you want — just like email.

Quote:

Breakthrough Internet Device
iPhone features a rich HTML email client and Safari — the most advanced web browser ever on a portable device — which automatically syncs bookmarks from your PC or Mac. Safari also includes built-in Google and Yahoo! search. iPhone is fully multi-tasking, so you can read a web page while downloading your email in the background over Wi-Fi or EDGE.

Quote:

Multi-touch

iPhone features the most revolutionary user interface since the mouse. It’s an entirely new interface based on a large multi-touch display and innovative new software that lets you control everything using only your fingers. So you can glide through albums with Cover Flow, flip through photos and email them with a touch, or zoom in and out on a section of a web page — all by simply using iPhone’s multi-touch display.
Intelligent Keyboard

iPhone’s full QWERTY soft keyboard lets you easily send and receive SMS messages in multiple sessions. And the keyboard is predictive, so it prevents and corrects mistakes, making it easier and more efficient to use than the small plastic keyboards on many smartphones.

________________________________________________

And as if that wasn't enough, Apple released the new appleTV, the little box that lets you do iTunes from your TV and stereo system.

Quote:

Apple TV connects to your TV via an HDMI port or component video and audio ports. Its built-in, superfast 802.11 wireless capability syncs your iTunes library to any Mac or PC in the house. Best of all, what's on Apple TV stays in sync: Anytime you change your library in iTunes, it changes on Apple TV — wirelessly, automatically.

cyrnel · 01-09-2007, 03:04 PM

I would very much like to see one in person. Too bad it's 6mo out.

It'll be interesting to see if Apple can simplify the cell plans. What's standard? What's optional? A mish-mash of "extras" could easily ruin it.

captobvious · 01-09-2007, 05:24 PM

The iPhone looks pretty sweet. The only thing in my way is the $500 price tag. Guess I better start saving now...

Willravel · 01-09-2007, 05:49 PM

I would have hoped that Apple would have made deals with Cingular, Verizon and Sprint/Nextel, but I guess I'll be switching from Verizon to Cingular for this one. Sh*t.

JJRousseau · 01-09-2007, 07:02 PM

I've just got to have one of those!!!! (iPhone, I mean)

i thought Apple wouldn't be able to use the "iPhone" name as it was owned by an VOIP company.

fresnelly · 01-09-2007, 07:46 PM

I'll be waiting a couple of years until the major content producers finally come around to multi-level distribution before I buy such a device.

I just don't think the top quality content is as free and fully available yet to be worth the high cost. Some day.

ASU2003 · 01-09-2007, 10:08 PM

I wish they would sell one without the phone. Just WiFi, BlueTooth, camera, widescreen iPod, etc... everything except for the phone.

Adding in a GPS would be a great add-on.

Redjake · 01-10-2007, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASU2003

I wish they would sell one without the phone. Just WiFi, BlueTooth, camera, widescreen iPod, etc... everything except for the phone.

Adding in a GPS would be a great add-on.

Amen. A lot of us are in binding contracts with service providers already! I would kill to have a handheld that sleek and small and FUNCTIONABLE! Now if they can just get WoW on one of those.....

Charlatan · 01-10-2007, 04:57 AM

That phone looks sweet! I have been drooling over it all day.

Sadly they say it will not be available in Asia until 2008. I guess I will just have to buy one and then get it unlocked.

As for the price, what does it cost for a phone, a pda and an ipod separately?

Not sure about the iTV thing. I am still figuring out exactly what sort of home entertainment system I am going to buy when I finally move in July.

Glory's Sun · 01-10-2007, 05:13 AM

When I first saw the phone I was creaming. Then I really took a look. There will be no 3g or CDMA support. That means it's going to bomb in Europe without 3g. I'm on a CDMA network and will not switch to crap ass Cingular just for this phone. I'm also curious about the glass on the phone. Is it glass or is it the same poly they use on the new generation of iPod Nano's??

As far as the iTV, I have no real comment as I know I'd never use anything like that.

THGL · 01-10-2007, 06:00 AM

Jobs mentioned that 3G is in the works.

Glory's Sun · 01-10-2007, 06:05 AM

I didn't watch the keynote so I guess that the person I talked to failed to mention that. Did he mention anything about CDMA??

The iTV box really could use some sort of DVR function (unless I've totally missed something there as well)

I found this to be pretty interesting.

Charlatan · 01-10-2007, 06:15 AM

I haven't seen a thing about CDMA. It looks like it will be GSM only for now.

I predict that if it is successful, it will get a CDMA version within a year or so just like Palm did with the Treo.

Rekna · 01-11-2007, 06:20 PM

Don't give into the hype.... Apple thrives on over hyping things and then selling a sub par product. There are much better much more fully featured mp3 players than the ipod.

Willravel · 01-11-2007, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rekna

Don't give into the hype.... Apple thrives on over hyping things and then selling a sub par product. There are much better much more fully featured mp3 players than the ipod.

80% of the mp3 market is hype? The fact of the matter is that features are not the only benchmark by which to gauge a product, and Apple has proven that in the iPod. Also, so far as features are concerned, it seems the iPhone has litterally descimated the market as far as features on a phone. It's quite simply better than everything else.

Rekna · 01-11-2007, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel

80% of the mp3 market is hype? The fact of the matter is that features are not the only benchmark by which to gauge a product, and Apple has proven that in the iPod. Also, so far as features are concerned, it seems the iPhone has litterally descimated the market as far as features on a phone. It's quite simply better than everything else.

It also costs way to much and has a limited market making its potential for large amounts of sales poor. Look at the ps3 and how it has bombed. Don't forget that since it is cingular only many people won't want or won't have a chance to buy it.

Willravel · 01-11-2007, 07:22 PM

You should take a gander at the keynote speech, as it addresses your points.

Glory's Sun · 01-12-2007, 05:39 AM

Here's a decent look at the phone and features

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk

maleficent · 01-12-2007, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJRousseau

I've just got to have one of those!!!! (iPhone, I mean)

i thought Apple wouldn't be able to use the "iPhone" name as it was owned by an VOIP company.

Cisco filed suit last night because of the name

healer · 01-12-2007, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guccilvr

Here's a decent look at the phone and features

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk

The gadget-loving geek in me is having an orgasm right now!

Am I the only one that thinks it's not that expensive? I'd definitely think about getting one after they work out all the kinks (3G/CDMA/HSDPA).

So now I know what I want for xmas this year.

Willravel · 01-12-2007, 09:20 AM

Healer, I totally agree. When you consider what you're getting, you are actually getting a decent price. Also, I'll bet the price drops off before Christmas 2007 (Cingular will be pushing for that).

DDDDave · 01-12-2007, 09:33 AM

I don't know.

I have a Treo700W and it already does all those things. E-mail-3 accounts, check. Outlook contact manager, check. One touch dialing, check. Entire device accessible through voice commands, check for the Treo, ???on iphone. MP3 player, check. Media Player, check. Camera, check. Google maps-check. EDGE network, fast, stable. Great phone features(could be better though).

I certainly understand that my phone is part of the MS evil empire but hey, it works for me. My old Treo600 broke after 2 years, and the 700P wasn't out yet so I ended up with the 700W.

The bottom line is that it is hard to be all things to all people in a single device. I think the reason that the iPod has become ubiquitous is that they have refined the music player user interface to a very fine level. But it really only performs one function. Trying to make a fantastic user experience for a device that performs so many different functions is difficult at best and pretty close to impossible. Couple that with the fact that it is (at least initially) tied to a single carrier and I think that it will not be the hit that everyone thinks it will be.

That being said....It sure is cool. As a geek you have to be impressed.

Willravel · 01-12-2007, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDDDave

I don't know.

I have a Treo700W and it already does all those things. E-mail-3 accounts, check. Outlook contact manager, check. One touch dialing, check. Entire device accessible through voice commands, check for the Treo, ???on iphone. MP3 player, check. Media Player, check. Camera, check. Google maps-check. EDGE network, fast, stable. Great phone features(could be better though).

Ah, but the Treo doesn't have a full OS, widescreen video playback, a touch sreen (espically a touch screen like the iPhone), that awesome little sensor that turns off the touch screen when your head is near the phone, it doesn't come with it's own wireless headset, and it doesn't look as cool. Does the Treo have a digital camera? Oh, and does the Trio let you choose which voice mail you want to listen to? Also, I don'[t think the Trio is as thin as the iPhone.

Frosstbyte · 01-12-2007, 11:33 AM

Apple is being so stupid by making an exclusive contract with Cingular. What a boneheaded move. It's a neat gadget, but why wouldn't Apple make it more available than just one-and not the most popular-wireless carrier?

I was very disappointed to hear that people can't code widgets etc. for the iPhone as well. After all the development of widgets for OSX, it would be a really neat thing to be able to do on a mobile device like this. I think the design is really beautiful and the device has tons of potential. I think, however, I'll be waiting for the second generation for them to make it more available and work the kinks out.

That all being said, Apple as a company really makes me want to puke. They've got such an ego about how incredible they are, and it's really getting old. No one can contest the popularity or success of the iPod (I certainly love mine) or the benefits of their OS, but the recent PC v. Mac commercials and just going ahead and announcing the device without getting things squared away with Cisco really reiterates a corporate philosophy that makes me gag and wish they weren't putting out products that I want. MS is the devil, but they don't make any bones about being the devil. Mac's hardly got clean hands, but they want you to believe they're a hip, progressive company working hard against the man. Leaves a foul taste in my mouth.

Glory's Sun · 01-12-2007, 11:47 AM

I was under the impression that the iPhone or whatever it will be named will have the capability of widgets?

Charlatan · 01-12-2007, 08:28 PM

I was just thinking that it wasn't that long ago that the topic of discussion for Apple was, "how long will it be until Apple goes under?"

There was a cover story in Wired that listed a number of things Apple needed to do to survive.

In fact, I think Apple borrowed a big whack of cash from Microsoft to stay afloat.

It seems like it was just yesterday. I don't care how they market themselves as long as their products continue to be solid.

Halx · 01-12-2007, 10:47 PM

I dont care how hip (and I am against being hip) Apple is, I have to get that phone when it comes out. I estimate my current phone will be on its very last legs at that moment.

Willravel · 01-13-2007, 01:02 AM

Is that an official endoresment from TFP?

(I've heard a rumor that Steve Jobs is a member....so that might mean a lot to someone)

Halx · 01-13-2007, 01:30 AM

It wont get my full endorsement until I can upload MP3s to it by dragging and dropping in Windows Explorer. If I have to go through iTunes, then I'll only be mildly amused.

fresnelly · 01-14-2007, 12:16 PM

Interesting news about Cingular. Since AT&T bought out Cingular a couple months ago they are now planning to phase out the brand and bringing its service under its own mantle:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reuters

AT&T to phase out Cingular in effort to unify services

Reuters

AT&T Inc. will begin to extinguish the brand of cellphone operator Cingular Wireless LLC next week, built up with billions of dollars over a few years, to imprint its more-than-century-old name firmly across its services.

AT&T, which took full control of No. 1 U.S. mobile carrier Cingular with its $86-billion (U.S.) purchase of BellSouth Corp. last month, will launch a campaign on Monday to mark the change.

"We did not enter that decision lightly," Wendy Clark, vice-president of advertising at AT&T, said in an interview. "We came to understand that consumer customers and business customers alike are looking for a single provider. We heard it so consistently across the marketplace."

In its first stage, Cingular will share its orange logo of a bouncing jack with the AT&T globe logo on everything from television ads to monthly bills.

AT&T's name and logo will eventually replace Cingular in a process expected to take several months, Ms. Clark said.

But with its long and complicated history, AT&T may face customer confusion over its name, marketing experts said. Also, Cingular built up a reputation among younger customers who may not easily associate with the AT&T brand.

At stake are AT&T's efforts to promote its bundle of phone, Internet and video services against a growing number of rivals, including cable operators and Web providers.

"It's a tough proposition," said Hayes Roth, chief marketing officer at brand agency Landor Associates. "Multiple brands within any company is expensive. Arguably they don't have much choice, they've made a stand now that they've invested back in the core brand." T (NYSE) rose 24 cents (U.S.) to $34.73.

Willravel · 01-14-2007, 01:04 PM

So the little orange guy is going to bite the dust?

Halx · 01-14-2007, 01:40 PM

Thats confusing. I had an AT&T cell phone, but I thought Cingular bought their cell division out, so my phone then became Cingular. Now this? Oi. In any case, I'm READY for this phone.

Willravel · 01-14-2007, 01:53 PM

Imagine that AT&T is a country made up of several states. The federal government has certian amount of control over each state, though the state retains some power. Most of the states in AT&T are controled mostly by federal power.

Cingular was originally a state shared by the countries SBC and BellSouth. Cingular was so powerful that it was able to conquor AT&T's wireless state (at the cost of $41b). AT&T itself was powerful enough to take SBC and BellSouth, thus taking control of Cingular. Cingular, being strong and popular, was able to remain relatively independant for a time, as it already had loyalty and a good reputation (and a little orange logo that was nationally recognizable).

Now, however, AT&T has enough power to retake Cingular totally. Cingular will become "the New AT&T", and the little orange man will cease to be.

DDDDave · 01-15-2007, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel

Ah, but the Treo doesn't have a full OS, widescreen video playback, a touch sreen (espically a touch screen like the iPhone), that awesome little sensor that turns off the touch screen when your head is near the phone, it doesn't come with it's own wireless headset, and it doesn't look as cool. Does the Treo have a digital camera? Oh, and does the Trio let you choose which voice mail you want to listen to? Also, I don'[t think the Trio is as thin as the iPhone.

I've had a Palm Pilot, Treo300, Treo600, and now Treo700w. The Palm OS is great and there are lot's of apps for it. But it was still limited. I am not convinced that the Apple OS will be that big of a deal. It will undoubtedly have bugs. So the screen turns off when it is near your face- how does it do that, heat sensors?, movement?, I can see lots of issues here. I set the touchscreen of my Treo turn off while a call is underway. If I need to access the calendar during a call, a single touchstroke disables it. I have a wireless Bluetooth headset. No big deal, spend as much or as little as you want on one. Yes, it has a camera that I love. (See Charlatan's pics from his Treo in 'The world through my phone' thread.) The 'listen to a specific voice mail' feature is really cool. I could go for that. Not worth learning a whole new device for though. Form factor, gotta admit the iphone is cool. The screen seems kind of vulnerable, and if you put it in a case it kind of defeats the slimness factor. The last feature that I didn't hear mentioned is one of my favorites- the ability to use the Treo as modem. It works great and can really save the day when you need to use your laptop to get online away from the office.

JJRousseau · 01-15-2007, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

Apple as a company really makes me want to puke. ...the recent PC v. Mac commercials...

I thought those commercials were one of the sharpest, wittiest examples of advertising I've seen in a long time! But I own three iPods, an iMac and a Powerbook so maybe I'm a bit biased.

Frosstbyte · 01-17-2007, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJRousseau

I thought those commercials were one of the sharpest, wittiest examples of advertising I've seen in a long time! But I own three iPods, an iMac and a Powerbook so maybe I'm a bit biased.

Taken in a total vacuum, I'd agree with you. Taken 10 years ago, I'd also agree with you. Taken in today's environment, they're simply false advertising.

I saw one two nights ago where they're strapping a webcam onto the PC's head and Mac smugly points out that Mac laptops and iMacs have webcams built into them and PC sulks off, as if this is the most unbelievably amazing thing anyone has ever heard of. That's simply not true, as I'm sitting in front of a PC laptop with a webcam built in. Sony makes them. Toshiba makes them. Dell makes them. It's not a big deal. The plug and play commercial is the same way. That kind of nonsense just doesn't happen on computers anymore.

As far as I can tell "PC guy" represents a Windows 95 computer running a 286 with 128 megs of RAM. It's not that it's not a "fair" representation, because why be fair to your competitor? It's that it's a blatantly untrue representation. Mac DOES do some things better than MS or PCs in general. The stupid shit they throw out in their advertisements are not those things. Presenting dated stereotypes as fact with a smug smirk does not a sharp commercial make.

Willravel · 01-17-2007, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

I saw one two nights ago where they're strapping a webcam onto the PC's head and Mac smugly points out that Mac laptops and iMacs have webcams built into them and PC sulks off, as if this is the most unbelievably amazing thing anyone has ever heard of. That's simply not true, as I'm sitting in front of a PC laptop with a webcam built in. Sony makes them. Toshiba makes them. Dell makes them. It's not a big deal. The plug and play commercial is the same way. That kind of nonsense just doesn't happen on computers anymore.

Wasn't Apple the first to have an integrated video camera?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

As far as I can tell "PC guy" represents a Windows 95 computer running a 286 with 128 megs of RAM. It's not that it's not a "fair" representation, because why be fair to your competitor? It's that it's a blatantly untrue representation. Mac DOES do some things better than MS or PCs in general. The stupid shit they throw out in their advertisements are not those things. Presenting dated stereotypes as fact with a smug smirk does not a sharp commercial make.

Well, let's break this down. I'll choose a few commercials:
1) Mac DOES allow plug and play with most digital cameras, printers, camcorders, mp3 players. No drivers required.
2) Mac DOES come with programs that are not 60 day trials or anything like that. It's all there, and it's all yours.
3) My Mac hasn't frozen in 4 years. My PC at work freezes at least 4-5 times a week (and I use it less).
4) There are no virusus that can effect OS X. There are plenty for Windows, be it 95, 98, XP, etc.
5) The software that comes with a Mac, be it iMovie, iPhoto, iTunes, etc. all make it easy right out of the box.

Halx · 01-17-2007, 11:41 AM

1) so do PCs.. BOTH Mac and PCs use drivers though, thats just simple computer basics.
2) So do PCs. The difference is Macs are sold by Apple. PCs are sold by thousands of different distributors. Results may vary if you're a cheapass. You can get what you need with a PC, though. Macs, however, have a far more limited suit of available applications.
3) Macs are seen as stable because of point #2. When you put a PC together the way Macs are, using hardware linked by specific compatibility, its just as stable.
4) False. There are *fewer* - far fewer, in fact. For the simple fact that there are far fewer Macs. They are not wide spread in any way because there aren't enough Macs to reliably spread a virus.
5) Windows has equivalents in XP, even more so in Vista.

6) Apple sells rigid style, not power.

Glory's Sun · 01-17-2007, 11:56 AM

I'm an apple fanboy, but to say there are no virii for OS-X is funny. There aren't as many like Halx said but they do exist. I do like the Mac and OS better but I think that both Macs and PC's have their own place in the world.

Willravel · 01-17-2007, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx

1) so do PCs.. BOTH Mac and PCs use drivers though, thats just simple computer basics.

The idea is that Mac comes with almost all drivers already. Windows does not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx

2) So do PCs. The difference is Macs are sold by Apple. PCs are sold by thousands of different distributors. Results may vary if you're a cheapass. You can get what you need with a PC, though. Macs, however, have a far more limited suit of available applications.

Well if you spend a lot on PC, you might as well get a Mac. The bottom line is that Mac comes ready with full versions of all the software on the computer. Everything is there, no trials.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx

3) Macs are seen as stable because of point #2. When you put a PC together the way Macs are, using hardware linked by specific compatibility, its just as stable.

When you do that, maybe, but the fact is that when you design a product and are alowed to create hardware and software you're going to be more stable. I see proof of that every day at home and work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx

4) False. There are *fewer* - far fewer, in fact. For the simple fact that there are far fewer Macs. They are not wide spread in any way because there aren't enough Macs to reliably spread a virus.

Not fewer, none. There exists no virus that can do anything to OS X. Apple even issued a challenge and a reward for anyone who could write a virus. So far no one has succeded. On any given daty, Mac controls 3-4% of the market. That's more than BMW shares of the US auto market.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx

5) Windows has equivalents in XP, even more so in Vista.

Vista is a carbon copy of OSX.

Swaitchback was the only rumored virus for Mac OSX and it turned out to be an bust. One day there might be a virus that infects a Mac, but it hasn't happened in like 12 years.

Meinwhile, Windows gets a dozen new viruses a week.

01-09-2007, 03:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	I would very much like to see one in person. Too bad it's 6mo out. It'll be interesting to see if Apple can simplify the cell plans. What's standard? What's optional? A mish-mash of "extras" could easily ruin it. __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195

01-09-2007, 07:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
JJRousseau Psycho Location: Vancouver, Canada	I've just got to have one of those!!!! (iPhone, I mean) i thought Apple wouldn't be able to use the "iPhone" name as it was owned by an VOIP company. __________________ Take from the philosopher the pleasure of being heard and his desire for knowledge ceases.

01-09-2007, 07:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
fresnelly Functionally Appropriate Location: Toronto	I'll be waiting a couple of years until the major content producers finally come around to multi-level distribution before I buy such a device. I just don't think the top quality content is as free and fully available yet to be worth the high cost. Some day. __________________ Building an artificial intelligence that appreciates Mozart is easy. Building an A.I. that appreciates a theme restaurant is the real challenge - Kit Roebuck - Nine Planets Without Intelligent Life

01-10-2007, 04:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	That phone looks sweet! I have been drooling over it all day. Sadly they say it will not be available in Asia until 2008. I guess I will just have to buy one and then get it unlocked. As for the price, what does it cost for a phone, a pda and an ipod separately? Not sure about the iTV thing. I am still figuring out exactly what sort of home entertainment system I am going to buy when I finally move in July. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-10-2007, 06:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
THGL Psycho Location: Louisville, KY	Jobs mentioned that 3G is in the works. __________________ "The truth is merely an excuse for lack of imagination." - Garak

01-09-2007, 05:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
captobvious Insane Location: Somewhere	The iPhone looks pretty sweet. The only thing in my way is the $500 price tag. Guess I better start saving now...

01-09-2007, 05:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I would have hoped that Apple would have made deals with Cingular, Verizon and Sprint/Nextel, but I guess I'll be switching from Verizon to Cingular for this one. Sh*t.

01-09-2007, 10:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	I wish they would sell one without the phone. Just WiFi, BlueTooth, camera, widescreen iPod, etc... everything except for the phone. Adding in a GPS would be a great add-on.

01-10-2007, 05:13 AM	#10 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	When I first saw the phone I was creaming. Then I really took a look. There will be no 3g or CDMA support. That means it's going to bomb in Europe without 3g. I'm on a CDMA network and will not switch to crap ass Cingular just for this phone. I'm also curious about the glass on the phone. Is it glass or is it the same poly they use on the new generation of iPod Nano's?? As far as the iTV, I have no real comment as I know I'd never use anything like that.

01-10-2007, 06:05 AM	#12 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I didn't watch the keynote so I guess that the person I talked to failed to mention that. Did he mention anything about CDMA?? The iTV box really could use some sort of DVR function (unless I've totally missed something there as well) I found this to be pretty interesting.

01-10-2007, 06:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I haven't seen a thing about CDMA. It looks like it will be GSM only for now. I predict that if it is successful, it will get a CDMA version within a year or so just like Palm did with the Treo. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-11-2007, 06:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Don't give into the hype.... Apple thrives on over hyping things and then selling a sub par product. There are much better much more fully featured mp3 players than the ipod.

01-11-2007, 07:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	You should take a gander at the keynote speech, as it addresses your points.

01-12-2007, 05:39 AM	#18 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	Here's a decent look at the phone and features http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk

01-12-2007, 09:20 AM	#21 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Healer, I totally agree. When you consider what you're getting, you are actually getting a decent price. Also, I'll bet the price drops off before Christmas 2007 (Cingular will be pushing for that).

01-12-2007, 09:33 AM	#22 (permalink)
DDDDave Addict Location: Sarasota	I don't know. I have a Treo700W and it already does all those things. E-mail-3 accounts, check. Outlook contact manager, check. One touch dialing, check. Entire device accessible through voice commands, check for the Treo, ???on iphone. MP3 player, check. Media Player, check. Camera, check. Google maps-check. EDGE network, fast, stable. Great phone features(could be better though). I certainly understand that my phone is part of the MS evil empire but hey, it works for me. My old Treo600 broke after 2 years, and the 700P wasn't out yet so I ended up with the 700W. The bottom line is that it is hard to be all things to all people in a single device. I think the reason that the iPod has become ubiquitous is that they have refined the music player user interface to a very fine level. But it really only performs one function. Trying to make a fantastic user experience for a device that performs so many different functions is difficult at best and pretty close to impossible. Couple that with the fact that it is (at least initially) tied to a single carrier and I think that it will not be the hit that everyone thinks it will be. That being said....It sure is cool. As a geek you have to be impressed. __________________ I am just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe... "Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined." - Thoreau "Nothing great was ever accomplished without enthusiasm" - Emerson

01-12-2007, 11:33 AM	#24 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	Apple is being so stupid by making an exclusive contract with Cingular. What a boneheaded move. It's a neat gadget, but why wouldn't Apple make it more available than just one-and not the most popular-wireless carrier? I was very disappointed to hear that people can't code widgets etc. for the iPhone as well. After all the development of widgets for OSX, it would be a really neat thing to be able to do on a mobile device like this. I think the design is really beautiful and the device has tons of potential. I think, however, I'll be waiting for the second generation for them to make it more available and work the kinks out. That all being said, Apple as a company really makes me want to puke. They've got such an ego about how incredible they are, and it's really getting old. No one can contest the popularity or success of the iPod (I certainly love mine) or the benefits of their OS, but the recent PC v. Mac commercials and just going ahead and announcing the device without getting things squared away with Cisco really reiterates a corporate philosophy that makes me gag and wish they weren't putting out products that I want. MS is the devil, but they don't make any bones about being the devil. Mac's hardly got clean hands, but they want you to believe they're a hip, progressive company working hard against the man. Leaves a foul taste in my mouth.

01-12-2007, 11:47 AM	#25 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I was under the impression that the iPhone or whatever it will be named will have the capability of widgets?

01-12-2007, 08:28 PM	#26 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I was just thinking that it wasn't that long ago that the topic of discussion for Apple was, "how long will it be until Apple goes under?" There was a cover story in Wired that listed a number of things Apple needed to do to survive. In fact, I think Apple borrowed a big whack of cash from Microsoft to stay afloat. It seems like it was just yesterday. I don't care how they market themselves as long as their products continue to be solid. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-12-2007, 10:47 PM	#27 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	I dont care how hip (and I am against being hip) Apple is, I have to get that phone when it comes out. I estimate my current phone will be on its very last legs at that moment. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

01-13-2007, 01:02 AM	#28 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Is that an official endoresment from TFP? (I've heard a rumor that Steve Jobs is a member....so that might mean a lot to someone)

01-13-2007, 01:30 AM	#29 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	It wont get my full endorsement until I can upload MP3s to it by dragging and dropping in Windows Explorer. If I have to go through iTunes, then I'll only be mildly amused. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

01-14-2007, 01:04 PM	#31 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	So the little orange guy is going to bite the dust?

01-14-2007, 01:40 PM	#32 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Thats confusing. I had an AT&T cell phone, but I thought Cingular bought their cell division out, so my phone then became Cingular. Now this? Oi. In any case, I'm READY for this phone. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

01-14-2007, 01:53 PM	#33 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Imagine that AT&T is a country made up of several states. The federal government has certian amount of control over each state, though the state retains some power. Most of the states in AT&T are controled mostly by federal power. Cingular was originally a state shared by the countries SBC and BellSouth. Cingular was so powerful that it was able to conquor AT&T's wireless state (at the cost of $41b). AT&T itself was powerful enough to take SBC and BellSouth, thus taking control of Cingular. Cingular, being strong and popular, was able to remain relatively independant for a time, as it already had loyalty and a good reputation (and a little orange logo that was nationally recognizable). Now, however, AT&T has enough power to retake Cingular totally. Cingular will become "the New AT&T", and the little orange man will cease to be.

01-17-2007, 11:41 AM	#38 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	1) so do PCs.. BOTH Mac and PCs use drivers though, thats just simple computer basics. 2) So do PCs. The difference is Macs are sold by Apple. PCs are sold by thousands of different distributors. Results may vary if you're a cheapass. You can get what you need with a PC, though. Macs, however, have a far more limited suit of available applications. 3) Macs are seen as stable because of point #2. When you put a PC together the way Macs are, using hardware linked by specific compatibility, its just as stable. 4) False. There are fewer - far fewer, in fact. For the simple fact that there are far fewer Macs. They are not wide spread in any way because there aren't enough Macs to reliably spread a virus. 5) Windows has equivalents in XP, even more so in Vista. 6) Apple sells rigid style, not power. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

01-17-2007, 11:56 AM	#39 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I'm an apple fanboy, but to say there are no virii for OS-X is funny. There aren't as many like Halx said but they do exist. I do like the Mac and OS better but I think that both Macs and PC's have their own place in the world.