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iPhone and appleTV
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So here it is, the long awaited iPhone from the trendiest electronics company in the world, Apple. Quote:
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http://images.apple.com/appletv/imag...p_20070109.jpg http://images.apple.com/appletv/imag...s_20070109.png And as if that wasn't enough, Apple released the new appleTV, the little box that lets you do iTunes from your TV and stereo system. Quote:
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I would very much like to see one in person. Too bad it's 6mo out.
It'll be interesting to see if Apple can simplify the cell plans. What's standard? What's optional? A mish-mash of "extras" could easily ruin it. |
The iPhone looks pretty sweet. The only thing in my way is the $500 price tag. Guess I better start saving now...
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I would have hoped that Apple would have made deals with Cingular, Verizon and Sprint/Nextel, but I guess I'll be switching from Verizon to Cingular for this one. Sh*t.
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I've just got to have one of those!!!! (iPhone, I mean)
i thought Apple wouldn't be able to use the "iPhone" name as it was owned by an VOIP company. |
I'll be waiting a couple of years until the major content producers finally come around to multi-level distribution before I buy such a device.
I just don't think the top quality content is as free and fully available yet to be worth the high cost. Some day. |
I wish they would sell one without the phone. Just WiFi, BlueTooth, camera, widescreen iPod, etc... everything except for the phone.
Adding in a GPS would be a great add-on. |
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That phone looks sweet! I have been drooling over it all day.
Sadly they say it will not be available in Asia until 2008. I guess I will just have to buy one and then get it unlocked. :) As for the price, what does it cost for a phone, a pda and an ipod separately? Not sure about the iTV thing. I am still figuring out exactly what sort of home entertainment system I am going to buy when I finally move in July. |
When I first saw the phone I was creaming. Then I really took a look. There will be no 3g or CDMA support. That means it's going to bomb in Europe without 3g. I'm on a CDMA network and will not switch to crap ass Cingular just for this phone. I'm also curious about the glass on the phone. Is it glass or is it the same poly they use on the new generation of iPod Nano's??
As far as the iTV, I have no real comment as I know I'd never use anything like that. |
Jobs mentioned that 3G is in the works.
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I didn't watch the keynote so I guess that the person I talked to failed to mention that. Did he mention anything about CDMA??
The iTV box really could use some sort of DVR function (unless I've totally missed something there as well) I found this to be pretty interesting. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/3...7fa7571e_o.jpg |
I haven't seen a thing about CDMA. It looks like it will be GSM only for now.
I predict that if it is successful, it will get a CDMA version within a year or so just like Palm did with the Treo. |
Don't give into the hype.... Apple thrives on over hyping things and then selling a sub par product. There are much better much more fully featured mp3 players than the ipod.
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It also costs way to much and has a limited market making its potential for large amounts of sales poor. Look at the ps3 and how it has bombed. Don't forget that since it is cingular only many people won't want or won't have a chance to buy it. |
You should take a gander at the keynote speech, as it addresses your points.
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Am I the only one that thinks it's not that expensive? I'd definitely think about getting one after they work out all the kinks (3G/CDMA/HSDPA). So now I know what I want for xmas this year. :D |
Healer, I totally agree. When you consider what you're getting, you are actually getting a decent price. Also, I'll bet the price drops off before Christmas 2007 (Cingular will be pushing for that).
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I don't know.
I have a Treo700W and it already does all those things. E-mail-3 accounts, check. Outlook contact manager, check. One touch dialing, check. Entire device accessible through voice commands, check for the Treo, ???on iphone. MP3 player, check. Media Player, check. Camera, check. Google maps-check. EDGE network, fast, stable. Great phone features(could be better though). I certainly understand that my phone is part of the MS evil empire but hey, it works for me. My old Treo600 broke after 2 years, and the 700P wasn't out yet so I ended up with the 700W. The bottom line is that it is hard to be all things to all people in a single device. I think the reason that the iPod has become ubiquitous is that they have refined the music player user interface to a very fine level. But it really only performs one function. Trying to make a fantastic user experience for a device that performs so many different functions is difficult at best and pretty close to impossible. Couple that with the fact that it is (at least initially) tied to a single carrier and I think that it will not be the hit that everyone thinks it will be. That being said....It sure is cool. As a geek you have to be impressed. |
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Apple is being so stupid by making an exclusive contract with Cingular. What a boneheaded move. It's a neat gadget, but why wouldn't Apple make it more available than just one-and not the most popular-wireless carrier?
I was very disappointed to hear that people can't code widgets etc. for the iPhone as well. After all the development of widgets for OSX, it would be a really neat thing to be able to do on a mobile device like this. I think the design is really beautiful and the device has tons of potential. I think, however, I'll be waiting for the second generation for them to make it more available and work the kinks out. That all being said, Apple as a company really makes me want to puke. They've got such an ego about how incredible they are, and it's really getting old. No one can contest the popularity or success of the iPod (I certainly love mine) or the benefits of their OS, but the recent PC v. Mac commercials and just going ahead and announcing the device without getting things squared away with Cisco really reiterates a corporate philosophy that makes me gag and wish they weren't putting out products that I want. MS is the devil, but they don't make any bones about being the devil. Mac's hardly got clean hands, but they want you to believe they're a hip, progressive company working hard against the man. Leaves a foul taste in my mouth. |
I was under the impression that the iPhone or whatever it will be named will have the capability of widgets?
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I was just thinking that it wasn't that long ago that the topic of discussion for Apple was, "how long will it be until Apple goes under?"
There was a cover story in Wired that listed a number of things Apple needed to do to survive. In fact, I think Apple borrowed a big whack of cash from Microsoft to stay afloat. It seems like it was just yesterday. I don't care how they market themselves as long as their products continue to be solid. |
I dont care how hip (and I am against being hip) Apple is, I have to get that phone when it comes out. I estimate my current phone will be on its very last legs at that moment.
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Is that an official endoresment from TFP? :thumbsup:
(I've heard a rumor that Steve Jobs is a member....so that might mean a lot to someone) |
It wont get my full endorsement until I can upload MP3s to it by dragging and dropping in Windows Explorer. If I have to go through iTunes, then I'll only be mildly amused.
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Interesting news about Cingular. Since AT&T bought out Cingular a couple months ago they are now planning to phase out the brand and bringing its service under its own mantle:
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So the little orange guy is going to bite the dust?
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Thats confusing. I had an AT&T cell phone, but I thought Cingular bought their cell division out, so my phone then became Cingular. Now this? Oi. In any case, I'm READY for this phone.
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Imagine that AT&T is a country made up of several states. The federal government has certian amount of control over each state, though the state retains some power. Most of the states in AT&T are controled mostly by federal power.
Cingular was originally a state shared by the countries SBC and BellSouth. Cingular was so powerful that it was able to conquor AT&T's wireless state (at the cost of $41b). AT&T itself was powerful enough to take SBC and BellSouth, thus taking control of Cingular. Cingular, being strong and popular, was able to remain relatively independant for a time, as it already had loyalty and a good reputation (and a little orange logo that was nationally recognizable). Now, however, AT&T has enough power to retake Cingular totally. Cingular will become "the New AT&T", and the little orange man will cease to be. |
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I've had a Palm Pilot, Treo300, Treo600, and now Treo700w. The Palm OS is great and there are lot's of apps for it. But it was still limited. I am not convinced that the Apple OS will be that big of a deal. It will undoubtedly have bugs. So the screen turns off when it is near your face- how does it do that, heat sensors?, movement?, I can see lots of issues here. I set the touchscreen of my Treo turn off while a call is underway. If I need to access the calendar during a call, a single touchstroke disables it. I have a wireless Bluetooth headset. No big deal, spend as much or as little as you want on one. Yes, it has a camera that I love. (See Charlatan's pics from his Treo in 'The world through my phone' thread.) The 'listen to a specific voice mail' feature is really cool. I could go for that. Not worth learning a whole new device for though. Form factor, gotta admit the iphone is cool. The screen seems kind of vulnerable, and if you put it in a case it kind of defeats the slimness factor. The last feature that I didn't hear mentioned is one of my favorites- the ability to use the Treo as modem. It works great and can really save the day when you need to use your laptop to get online away from the office. |
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I saw one two nights ago where they're strapping a webcam onto the PC's head and Mac smugly points out that Mac laptops and iMacs have webcams built into them and PC sulks off, as if this is the most unbelievably amazing thing anyone has ever heard of. That's simply not true, as I'm sitting in front of a PC laptop with a webcam built in. Sony makes them. Toshiba makes them. Dell makes them. It's not a big deal. The plug and play commercial is the same way. That kind of nonsense just doesn't happen on computers anymore. As far as I can tell "PC guy" represents a Windows 95 computer running a 286 with 128 megs of RAM. It's not that it's not a "fair" representation, because why be fair to your competitor? It's that it's a blatantly untrue representation. Mac DOES do some things better than MS or PCs in general. The stupid shit they throw out in their advertisements are not those things. Presenting dated stereotypes as fact with a smug smirk does not a sharp commercial make. |
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1) Mac DOES allow plug and play with most digital cameras, printers, camcorders, mp3 players. No drivers required. 2) Mac DOES come with programs that are not 60 day trials or anything like that. It's all there, and it's all yours. 3) My Mac hasn't frozen in 4 years. My PC at work freezes at least 4-5 times a week (and I use it less). 4) There are no virusus that can effect OS X. There are plenty for Windows, be it 95, 98, XP, etc. 5) The software that comes with a Mac, be it iMovie, iPhoto, iTunes, etc. all make it easy right out of the box. |
1) so do PCs.. BOTH Mac and PCs use drivers though, thats just simple computer basics.
2) So do PCs. The difference is Macs are sold by Apple. PCs are sold by thousands of different distributors. Results may vary if you're a cheapass. You can get what you need with a PC, though. Macs, however, have a far more limited suit of available applications. 3) Macs are seen as stable because of point #2. When you put a PC together the way Macs are, using hardware linked by specific compatibility, its just as stable. 4) False. There are *fewer* - far fewer, in fact. For the simple fact that there are far fewer Macs. They are not wide spread in any way because there aren't enough Macs to reliably spread a virus. 5) Windows has equivalents in XP, even more so in Vista. 6) Apple sells rigid style, not power. |
I'm an apple fanboy, but to say there are no virii for OS-X is funny. There aren't as many like Halx said but they do exist. I do like the Mac and OS better but I think that both Macs and PC's have their own place in the world.
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Swaitchback was the only rumored virus for Mac OSX and it turned out to be an bust. One day there might be a virus that infects a Mac, but it hasn't happened in like 12 years. Meinwhile, Windows gets a dozen new viruses a week. |
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