tisonlyi

I've been thinking about this lately, and in my view we're only truly attracted to forms in the first instance, with gender based decisions coming shortly after - and then a cross sexuality personality test, perhaps (depends on how far the beer goggles are, i suppose...).

Guys, how many times have you thought "Nice arse on her", and start to get the tingly feeling, only for the Lady to turn around and be a bloke.

*SHOCK, HORROR*

So, why are we making the gender based decisions afterwards? To me it can only stem from peer pressure/false concepts of right/wrong? foisted on us by traditional views of sexuality and the differring roles that 'should' be played by men and women.

Then I started to think about some of the quite butch looking ladies I have had relations with in the past. There are only a couple of these girls, but they do exist. Factor into play those 'joke' gender bending ladyboy picture collections that get emailed about regularly and I'm really beginning to wonder why I have never been attracted to a bloke.

I mean, it's not the form as I've unwittingly admired the body/posterior of many a man in the street, it can't be the facial features as there are plenty of guys who look like girls, and I've actually parked the beef bus in tuna town with a couple of reciprocals. Also, it can't really be personality traits, because I seem to always go for highly sexed sorts, being highly sexed myself, so in that way "manly", with other traits like aggression, etc being quite spread between the sexes...

No, the only thing i can think of is my decision that the person I'm hitting on, or who is hitting on me, is a lass and therefore I can allow myself to be sexually attracted to that person.

Do genitals really mean that much?

I don't think I've clearly expressed it, but for the purposes of where my viewpoint comes from, I'm a straight bloke who can honestly say he's never been sexually attracted to a male, other than the encounters in the street i have mentioned above.

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motdakasha

I would just like to say that if what I thought was a woman with a hot ass that turns out to be a man (or vice versa), I do not experience *SHOCK, HORROR*. Gender doesn't matter so long as they're hot. But then again, you seem to be asking a het-specific question based on what appears to be an assumption that everyone experiences *SHOCK, HORROR*. So I'm not really much help, am I?

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tisonlyi

Is that a gucci clutchbag you're holding to your chest?

Apologies for being heterosexual, speaking from a heterosexual standpoint and clearly marking out that I'm a heterosexual.

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Mael

i did once. i was at a halloween party at my frat and me and two of my bro's are looking at this girl standing at the edge of the dance floor dressed like i dream of genie. she had an ass that would make a blind man weep. so we're ogling her and all of a sudden she turns around. to our horror, she's ian, one of my pledge brothers. (also, while his tits were fake, he looked damn sexy from both the front and the back).

one other instance, i was at my friends play, he's a theater major. they were doing lysistrata, and there's some character that is a girl that they decided to do as a transvestite (or maybe it's always been a transvestite, i don't know) and anyways, through out the play, i'm watching with a lady friend, and we can't tell for sure if the person playing the character is a guy or girl. all of a sudden s/he comes out on stage wearing a thong and plastic breasts. now we find out it definatly is a he, and he has a nicer ass then most girls i see on the street. funny thing is, after the show when we're looking for my friend the actor, i hear a name over the loud speaker telling some guy to be there a certain time the next day, and the name was the same name of a kid who lived next door to me when i was 5-7 years old. turns out it's the same kid. and he's flaming. but with a really really nice ass.

MacGnG

i respect hot dude for being hot dudes and gettin lots of chicks, but i like chicks not dudes and if u make a mistake, ok whatever its a mistake. i like chicks and chicks are yummy, so i'm going for the yummy chicks

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crow_daw

One time, I was flipping through the channels, and there was a scene with two long-blond-haired heads making out in a bathtub, so I was like hell yeah. Then they stood up and got out.....................boing. They were transexuals. That really perturbed me.

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motdakasha

*whisper whisper* men who can pull off looking sexy in women's clothing is kinda sorta one of my turn-ons.

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tisonlyi

That's exactly my point.

Why?

I mean, the form was there, the attraction was sparked - until the uglies were revealed.

Isn't it rather silly to deny an attraction based on the genitals/revelation of gender?

If those 2 "ladies" had just stayed in the tub, fooling about long enough for what i suspect was occuring to be brought to completion... How/what would you have felt/thought then?

Why?

Boxing yourself into a sexual catagory and then rejecting forms of stimulation that come from outside the accepted sources of that box.

It's all in our heads and therefore all under our own control.

Why do we put these bounds on ourselves?

What purpose does it serve?

I'm not trying to say that everyone is bisexual, just that everyone is sexual, without boxes or limitations.

Something like that.

I need to think this through a bit more.

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cpomdima

"Isn't it rather silly to deny an attraction based on the genitals/revelation of gender?"

No. Its not society, but evolutionary traits, innate behavior. If pre-cambrian man started to go fuck whatever pleased them, the human species may have died out. Lucky we had advanced thinking.


"It's all in our heads and therefore all under our own control."

I disagree.
Although I understand you are talking about just simple stimulation here, and not reproduction. At one time in our development, these were the same. Modern life with all of its advancements has caused the two to seperate. This separation is widening. Soon, the two will not be related, like in Demolition Man.


Why do we put these bounds on ourselves?

What purpose does it serve?

The survival of mankind once depended upon this. Not any more, now that we have medicine, technology, and laws. We stopped evolving and pretty soon all of these survival-jeopardizing tendencies will explode into a cataclysm of hedonistic bullshit.

Then we'll get a natural disaster, everyone will die, and we'll start over again, from scratch.

Learn to swim.
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EleqTrizi'T

Well, I have to disgree whole-heartedly on a very basic element of your statement, is that it is under our control.

So there's two transvestites into the tub making out. I see lipstick, boobs, and assuming they're good looking, I get an erection. I certainly didn't ask for the erection, the erection just happened.

However, when they stand up and I see their penises... I will get a knee-jerk repulsed feeling throughout my body, and my erection will disappear faster than food in front of Anna Nichol. How is that my decision?

A man's penis just plain turns me off. I'm sorry, it's just the way it is. I can't control what my penis likes any more than I can control my bowel movements.

Donkeypuncher

Heh. Thank you, Maynard.

If pre-Cambrian man had fucked anything with a pulse (and in a lot of ways, likely did), women would still have been getting impregnated. It's likely there were fewer, if any, social mores governing what was acceptable or not as a sexual partner. There are many species of animal on this planet that exhibit what we call "bisexual" behavior - they're been around for a long time and they're not going anywhere. We keep finding more, too. Evolution doesn't give a crap about sexual preferences as long as enough reproductive activity is happening. Your argument presupposes that there would be such a significant swing in homosexual activity that our species wouldn't survive when it's pretty obvious that man, for a verrrry long time, has quite varied tastes in just about everything. Homosexual activity exists in man's entire recorded history, so there's no reason to think the Romans invented it. They just made a sport out of it.

So... you actually believe it when a woman tells you that you're "thinking with your dick"? Friend, you think with your brain. Your preferences, biases, pre-judgements, fears... they're all in your head. If you hated spinach as a kid but like it now, it's not because your tongue has a will of its own and didn't like the spinach - that is something that happened along the way when you changed your mind. Humans have that. Free will. It's one of the things that distinctly separates us from the other animals crawling around this rock. You either don't like penises, or have been taught from birth that you're not supposed to like them, or some combination of the two... but you could certainly decide to like them one day. Or not. It is your choice. A choice that's made with your brain... and no other part of your body.

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urizenxvii

I'm a psych student... last year my advisor had a few of us run an experiment to see if people could differentiate male and female facial features--eyes and eyebrows, nose, and mouth and chin (clean-shaven, obviously), all without makeup. There were significant errors.

oh, and time for some brody-style info... true story: last night we were driving back from Coldstone's and saw a squirrel that had been flattened to the road on its front end... let's call him/her "dale"... and there was another squirrel, who we'll call "chip" for the sake of continuity, and Chip was tagging the heck out of Dale. We nearly lost all of that wonderful ice cream right there when we realized what was going on.

wow.

I hope I don't get banned for posting this.

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Mael

wow! that is one of the funniest things i've ever heard! thanks!

erion

Far more than either gender or form, for me it's personality.

I mean, I can't say that I've ever been sexually attracted to a guy, but I have seen some I wouldn't kick out of bed If it ever got that far.

They would pretty much not have to be guys, though, personality-wise.

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EleqTrizi'T

No man, I still hate spinach. I still hate steamed broccoli, too. I don't like lamb even though I'm a meat lover, and I don't like sweet alcholic drinks even though I like being drunk.

It's just the way it is. Free will cannot conquer things you simply DO. NOT. LIKE.

This would be an easier discussion if it wasn't so clear you had an agenda to make us realize that we're all closet bisexuals, but it is not going to work. I like pussy, not penis. Maybe I cannot quite understand why you don't feel the same way, but I accept it. Accept this. Most people are simply, quite irreversably, hetereosexual.