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02-22-2011, 09:05 AM | #283 (permalink) |
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I don't see it, ace.
Thinking in absolutes doesn't conjure images of impressionism. What is impressionistic about your thinking, however, is that although your big-picture ideas are clear (albeit disagreeable), upon closer examination, they tend to become a confused muddle. Thinking in absolutes tends to remove context and ignore unavoidable factors and influences. I've asked you to elucidate, and you've instead bewildered. It would seem we've come across another non-starter. Enjoy your theories.
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i don't know, but it seems to me that kadhafi is unhinged. he has at least some control over the military (aspects of it remain loyal) and the mercenaries he's brought in. and he claims that he hasn't really started to use the kind of violence that he could use. um.... i don't see anything good coming of this. an analysis of libya under kadhafi: Libya's falling tyrant - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
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ace: i cannot imagine anyone caring about your dilletante forays into pseudo-explanations for egypt and tunisia and libya and bahrain and morocco and algeria and yemen.
that you can repeat the same fatuous "thinking" means only that you can repeat the same fatuous "thinking"---what you're arguing is self-evidently wrong. particularly this goofball theory that you've pulled out of your ass that somehow or another these revolts are for some imaginary "free-market capitalism." all evidence in the actually existing world that other people know about point in almost the opposite direction---this is about the collapsing american empire and the "free market" ideology that it has used since reagan in an attempt to legitimate american domination. here's an article you are unlikely to read. Quote:
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02-22-2011, 12:16 PM | #287 (permalink) |
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ace, you missed my point. You think of your way of thinking as the opposite the way it is, and you think of my way as the opposite the way it is.
I'm now thoroughly convinced that you have no interest in pursuing any line of thinking outside of your own pristine theories. You seem to refuse to look at situations within the context of reality, which includes a level of multiplicity that you avoid to even acknowledge. I normally welcome attempts at having a discussion with you. However, this time you've outdone yourself by mischaracterizing both you and me. For example, you don't even understand the level at which I agree with you, nor the level at which I disagree with you, in your theories. And yet you continue to make assumptions and continue to muddy the waters. I don't even know your position on the topic, really. I heard something about Maslow and free-market capitalism. Beyond that, I don't know what you mean to say beyond "people don't like to starve and generally like capitalism." You haven't really applied any of that theoretical stock to anything real. And now you've gone ahead and assumed I don't know what you're talking about—that I can't understand conceptually or logically—which is false. I know exactly what you're talking about. Half of it is bullshit, the other half irrelevant.
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kadhafi's regime is crumbling before our eyes, but the process is not over by any means. and while accurate information is a problem---things appear to be devolving for kadhafi at speed. the question is whether he is nuts enough to use the materials he still has at his disposal to scortch some earth on his way out---or if he is looking for an escape hatch, as some reports have suggested. it's very confusing and potentially quite chaotic. al jaz live blog on libya: Live Blog - Libya Feb 22 | Al Jazeera Blogs bbc: BBC News - Middle East and North Africa unrest[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"] ---------- Post added at 10:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:36 PM ---------- ================================== added: now that libya is maybe crumbling, the first of the major oil-producing authoritarian systems may come down and with that an image will pop to the surface of the financial belly of the beast. closer and closer. Quote:
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02-22-2011, 02:11 PM | #290 (permalink) |
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Hey Roach,
Unconditional rights for women in the ME is complicated, right? I don't understand the real issues, right? It's just Ace and his "black and white" imaginary world right? Or as DC would say i don't understand that women may have to compromise for the good of the formation of a new government. Or as Baraka might suggest, unconditional rights for women in the ME is just a concept. Oh, sorry for yet another tangent from what is really important, let's get back to the real world after all no one really wants that in the ME.
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So I guess it's safe to say, at least, that the shit is currently hitting the fan in Libya.
A couple of tidbits from the interior minister, Abdel Fattah Younes, who has resigned: Also, in other developments, the Canadian government has finally condemned Gadhafi, and has begun the planning and process of extracting Canadians from the country:"The Libyan people have suffered too long. We have so much oil, the people could have lived as in a 5 star hotel." Ottawa condemns Gadhafi, plans evacuation - The Globe and Mail Also, have a look at an interesting infographic regarding Libya and Gadhafi's influence in Africa, and the implications of it vapourizing: Gadhafi's influence on Africa - The Globe and Mail
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02-22-2011, 05:08 PM | #292 (permalink) |
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Sorry Ace, I enjoy political discussions a great deal... but I honestly feel I'm done with your conversations here. I don't feel you're adding to the discussion as it's not pertinent to realities on the ground.
I find Libya very interesting. Reports of the Air Force bombing protesters I was initially skeptical of, resulted in Air Force Pilots defecting as they refused orders to bomb their own civilians and feared execution from their own officers. I've also read about tanks firing on protesters and even some tanks defecting to the other side.
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malta adds two planes to their air fleet. sweet!
i cant imagine what malta was thinking when these guys first showed up on the radar heading towards it from libya.
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02-23-2011, 09:53 AM | #298 (permalink) |
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What do you want the international community to do? Should the international community use military force to control the situation?
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there are reports that kadhafi is already using the military to attack opposition actions.
well, the interior security forces as he has apparently been afraid of a military coup since he came to power via a military coup in 1969 so has worked to keep the military weak...libya is controlled by the interior security forces that overlap with effectively private militias----you know, the kind of feudal arrangement that would result in a lot of place as the logical outcome of taking conservative paranoia about the state seriously there are reports of military jets being used. there are reports that there are naval vessels in position off tripoli that may be used to bombard the city. so no, there's no reason to worry too much about what might happen. the international community has a great track record of not knowing what to do when massacres present themselves: Rwanda: Why the international community looked away | World | Deutsche Welle | 07.04.2009 much better to sit around and watch people get massacred and complain about how o so terrible it all is.
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02-23-2011, 11:16 AM | #301 (permalink) |
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i know.....let's let capitalism solve the problem....
actually, this is a consistent problem with transnational organizations, moving from saying tsk tsk tsk to actually doing anything. there are reports that nato has warned kadhafi to use restraint. i haven't seen anything else about it. in this case, if the situation escalates, i wouldn't object to nato intervening to effectively depose kadhafi. the e.u. is handwringing a lot...on the one hand tsk tsk violence is bad but on the other, led by italy, starting to freak out about refugee flow potentials. the security council hasn't managed to put together a resolution even. so none of the related transnational agencies (in a loose sense, from peacekeeping forces to the international court) can do anything. the united states has apparently been waiting to say much until a ferry with us citizens reaches malta. it would be a bad bad idea for any individual country to go into libya. no cowboy shit. remember iraq? bad idea. bad bad idea. nation-states are done for. situations like this simply show it.
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Not about what I would do, you've suggested that something needs to be done.
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02-23-2011, 11:46 AM | #303 (permalink) |
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ace, the thread isn't about you, remember? stop whining.
and if you actually read the post, i said that in this situation i would not oppose a nato intervention to depose kadhafi. give way to peace-keeping forces to prevent anarchy and put into place some kind of transitional structure. a nation-state intervention would be a catastrophic idea because it would legitimate in power what it was sent to depose. here's some gruesome footage from libya. the headline translates: Soldiers executed after refusing orders to kill civilians in Libya. it's no joke, what's happening.
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and this to dispense with the simple-minded bloomberg-bromides about the miracles of neo-liberalism.
what bloomberg prescribes for egypt is exactly the ideology that enabled mubarak and his pals to plunder egypt.... but read on... Quote:
and lest you imagine that this neo-liberal fiasco was restricted to egypt, read this: Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail? | Rolling Stone Politics about the american financial oligarchy that consolidated its power and looted the store while talking blah blah blah about markety capitalism. it's horseshit, ace darling. horseshit.
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02-23-2011, 03:11 PM | #305 (permalink) |
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I'd love to see Obama park a Carrier outside of Libya and simply say any aircraft that takes off from here-forward will be immediately shot down.
We can shoot well outside of anti-ship/air missile range, and provide at least a little assistance to the protesters.
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02-23-2011, 04:47 PM | #306 (permalink) |
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A no-fly zone over Libya would certainly be a step in the right direction. But I agree with roachboy that the US cannot go this alone. It needs to be a collective response and, preferably, not run by the US.
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even though i am sympathetic to that idea, i think it'd be a Huge Mistake for the united states to act unilaterally if only because (a) the lockerbie affair and bombings of tripoli that followed it---the "museum of strength" that ghadhafi appeared before with his cute umbrella, was made from the residence of his that was bombed by the united states---this set up a us (me) against the Big Evil legitimation that ghadafi has not hesitated to use since AND (b) because of the iraq debacle (thanks george) has created an association between the discourse of democracy and american invasion.....and also (c) it's kind of hard for me to imagine how making that move could be the only one given the (apparently true) bringing in of heavily armed mercenaries from chad and niger and nigeria....i can't imagine that the us (or anyone) could simply park a carrier and not find themselves more or less compelled to intervene on the ground to stop the carnage.
because carnage there is, seemingly. among the more shocking/dramatic eye-witness reports is here, in french sadly: Libye : "C'était un carnage absolu", actualité Monde : Le Point among other things he provides an estimate of at least 2000 people killed at benghazi and extensive use of mercenaries to do it. he describes the mercenaries as very heavily armed as "killing machines"---confronting largely unarmed civilians (that's been changing, especially in benghazi). the mitigating thing with what he says in the article is that it's clear he was entirely freaked out by what he experienced (justifiably so) so the account has a phantasmagoric quality to it. but it's pretty amazing nonetheless. worth dusting off the french for.
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to be fair to the argument, till now Al Jazeera is still reporting that they do not know whether those people in the video are libyan army soldiers who refused to kill civilians and were summarily executed, or whether they are captured libyan army killed by the protesters.
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dlish...thanks. interesting....
i didn't go through al jaz for that clip. i got to it either by way of the guardian----which likely posted the caveat along with it (so i overlooked it)----or through the "we are all khaled said" group on facebook, which has been posting a ton of video and other information from libya. the upside is that the information stream exists. the downside is that the sense of complication in terms of sourcing and interpretation are presented in 420 characters or less. information is still fragmentary. speaking of which there were lots of reports of checkpoints that folk trying to get out of libya passed through at which cellphone photographs/sim cards were being erased, video and computers with image of massacre etc. confiscated. information fragmentation is apparently gadhafi's friend. on the other hand, information transparency is nowhere available.
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this is a really interesting article from electronic intifada that to some extent explains the peculiar turn(s) that gadhafi's speeches have taken in their attempts to frame the revolt:
ei: Libya's tragedy, Gaddafi's farce meanwhile, perhaps the saudi's attempts to buy off the population won't work out. 1.59pm - Saudi Arabia: Leading Saudi intellectuals have urged the monarchy to make far-reaching political and social reforms. They say that Arab rulers should derive a lesson from the uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya and listen to the voice of disenchanted young people. The group includes renowned Islamic scholars, a female academic, a poet and a former diplomat. King Abdullah, who returned home after a three-month medical absence, yesterday unveiled benefits for Saudis worth £23bn in an apparent attempt to insulate the world's leading oil exporter. The measures announced by state media include pay rises to offset inflation, unemployment benefits and affordable housing. Libya in turmoil - live updates | World news | guardian.co.uk
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02-24-2011, 08:30 AM | #311 (permalink) |
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I was reading about the odd situation in Saudi Arabia. Maybe it was through this thread somewhere. Isn't it the case that the King and all the heirs are all advanced geriatrics and aren't likely long for the world?
Also the situation is different in that there are no bones about the political structure. It's an absolute monarchy. You don't vote for the king. There are no elections, let alone rigged elections as pretense. Though I'm largely ignorant of Saudi politics and society. There is some voting, yes? On the municipal level? Is it like the Chinese structure in that the top-level is essentially handpicked, but the local levels are somewhat (or maybe not at all, really) chosen by the people?
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I'm sure it's not lost on anyone. The irony that some of these ME/N African countries are giving to their citizens what our lawmakers are trying to take away from us hand over fist.
It's disorienting, dismaying, discouraging. All the major disses.
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02-24-2011, 09:54 AM | #313 (permalink) |
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The position of the Obama administration and that of other governing bodies has become more clear in Obama's recent speech:
I suppose at this time it's a matter of whether anything tangible takes shape or whether it will be needed. And, of course, whether it will be enough, and whether it will be soon enough.
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here's some (very basic) information about the saudi political system:
The Political System of Saudi Arabia - Helen Ziegler https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/sa.html this from the financial times on king abdullah's attempt to head off opposition by paying it off: Quote:
another neo-liberal state.
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there's pretty clearly a cloud of vapor developing around the general idea of doing something to stem the bloodshed in libya, and that for any number of reasons including the fact that there are chemical and biological weapons. sold by champions of freedom like the united states, of course. there's a cloud of vapor but no agreement about what should happen or the institutional frame through which whatever ends up getting agreed to, assuming something does, should happen. and so there we are.
this is a moderate-seeming article....but i wonder if the suggestion that the obama administration work with the un and/or arab league would meet with opposition from the conservative wing of the american political oligarchy.... Quote:
a quite interesting piece, too long to paste up (even i have limits) about the relation of the farce that is the "War on Terror" to direct military/police support from the west of the types of governments that are getting blown down... Anti-terrorism and uprisings - Features - Al Jazeera English you know: British government approved sale of crowd control equipment to Libya | World news | The Guardian and more generally: Arms trade | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Can you go on record and state than anything less than unconditional rights to life, liberty - and the means of acquiring and possessing property, pursuing and obtaining happiness, and safety in the ME is unacceptable? I will stop there and simply ask do you know what the implication of your response is, regardless of how you answer? But, I am pretty sure it is too complicated for simple and direct response. ---------- Post added at 10:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:30 PM ---------- Now wait a minute...Saddam Husein actually used chemical weapons to kill thousands among other things and you did not stand with the Bush administration when they wanted to remove Saddam from power....what is the difference in your stance now and your stance then?
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Honestly I hope Saudi Arabia stays the way it is. That is one country that if given democracy would go balls-crazy.... their population honestly scares me.
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this comment would be funny if it wasnt scary. I'd love to hear what you think about this and why. as much as you could push for democracy in saudi, even if it hit them in the head, i dont think they'd be able to see it. FYI - last week kuwait offered all citizens a year of free food as well as all utility bills paid. At least they'll stave off a revolution for at least a year before it's people wake up again. Oman - 2 people killed in the Sultanate today as part of protests against its rulers.. its coming closer to here....nothing to report here yet except for murmurs of a protest. here the population is quite happy, well off and paid enough to keep them from protesting. Although i could be wrong... i've been wrong in the past...
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I'm calmer than you are, dude
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