Willravel

Oh. Well my argument still stands. If the landing gear and fuseloge of the plane were able to punch through so much, how is it that the engines did not even make a mark striking enough to notice from the hundreds of pictures available online?
I understand.
The last time I was there I remember brick. Sorry, I've seen the pictures of it after it burned so many times that my memories got the better of me.

Ustwo

Arguing without evidence?

Will you take hearsay as evidence, you have no basis to ever accuse anyone of not using evidence.

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Willravel

So those pictures I post are hearsay? The high school chemistry I use is hearsay?

Did you notice that you didn't actually say that you were using evidence? Do you know what that means? The -5 points still stands,= because you were arguing without evidence to support your argument, and you were begging the question.

As to comparing my posts to yours....If it's to be a pissing game, then fine. You show me your track record of posting snide remarks that have no content except for possibly being a personal attack, bait, or flame, then I'll show you mine. Show me how many times you've beeen banned, and I'll tell you how many times I've been banned. Show me how many of your posts were backed by credible evidence and I will do the same. But if you're serious about this, we can PM or open another thread. I'm not willing to threadjack this thread anymore.

Ustwo

No plane theory
Theory

American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, but rather a missile did. This theory was originated by French conspiracy theorist, Thierry Meyssan, with his books: L'Effroyable Imposture (French), 9/11: The Big Lie (English), and later Pentagate. He suggests also suggests that the planes that hit the World Trade Center were remotely controlled by the U.S. government, and not piloted by the hijackers.
Fact

This claim ignores the fact that several passengers made phone calls and reported that the plane was hijacked.

* Renee May phoned her mother, and reported that the flight was hijacked.
* Barbara Olson called her husband, Ted Olson, and reported the hijacking. She also told her husband that the hijackers had knives and box cutters.

Will you keep ignoring the people. Will what happened to the people?

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I haven't the faintest idea. I addressed the phone calls, but I do not have enough information to form any conclusions about what could have happened to the passengers. It's been suggested by other conspiracy theorists that they were diverted, landed, and their whereabouts are now unknown. One of them is said to have been diverted to Chicago (flight 77).

I don't know.

ASU2003

The f4 plane was crashed into a sample of the nuclear containment building around a nuclear reactor. I wonder how the walls of the pentagon would compare, didn't they make the improvements to that side of the building?

The WTC was a skyscraper and had to be light weight. The pentagon didn't have to worry about weight.

But, wouldn't the thousands of gallons of jet fuel exploding and causing a shock wave be enough to break some the windows. In the WTC, the jet fuel went inside, if the wings didn't go into the pentagon, 99% of the fuel would have been burnt on the walls.

Ustwo

No plane theory
Theory

American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, but rather a missile did. This theory was originated by French conspiracy theorist, Thierry Meyssan, with his books: L'Effroyable Imposture (French), 9/11: The Big Lie (English), and later Pentagate. He suggests also suggests that the planes that hit the World Trade Center were remotely controlled by the U.S. government, and not piloted by the hijackers.
Fact

This claim ignores the fact that several passengers made phone calls and reported that the plane was hijacked.

* Renee May phoned her mother, and reported that the flight was hijacked.
* Barbara Olson called her husband, Ted Olson, and reported the hijacking. She also told her husband that the hijackers had knives and box cutters.

Will you keep ignoring the people. Will what happened to the people?

Oh and will the plane hit the ground first, thats why you see no specific engine damage, most of the engine energy would be absorbed by the ground. Took me 5 mins on google to find that and it wasn't searching for your question, just finding how the plane impacted. This is called critical thinking.

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Who said the engine did not? All that was said was the engine did not collide with the window that was not broken, it could have hit brink, or hit a different window. it flew somewhere, and I can tell you it did not fly through the parts that were undamaged, and that it did fly through the part that was, you argument (it cant be an airplane because we have an unbroken window near the vicinity of where we think the engine may have crashed) is baseless. Just because we don’t exactly where the airplane engine hit does not mean it did not hit, you should know this will.

Your argument is like this: you come across a car crash, all mangled up and wrecked and look inside, you notice the rear view mirror is not broken, you conclude that some one staged the crash with a sledge hammer, pliers and a wrench but was sloppy and forgot to break the mirror.


As for the construction of the pentagon, here is what I just found:
http://usaattacked.com/pentagon.htm

I have NO second source on this, the information sounds reasonable, but may be wrong; I’m looking for a second and third source to back it up.

you know that’s BS, do you realize how many people they'd have to keep quiet, family friends, coworkers, these people did not just disappear, you cant just relocate a plane full of people, they would be noticed by some one, some chance encounter would blow the entire operation. They’d have to be killed. Why is it so hard to believe that terrorist flew a plane into 3 buildings, you already accept that 2 buildings got hit by planes that day and we've got a 4th in the field.

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The plane did not hit the ground first. Took me all of three seconds to find pictures of the ground in front of the Pentagon that showed nothing but burn marks from the airplane and generator exploding. It's called condescending without doing the proper research first. Even the current official government story says it didn't hit the ground first. That makes YOU a conspiracy theorist. Welcome to the club.

Dilbert, well I guess I was accedentally kinda right about the brick.

As for the engines, I have no reason to think that the engines were anywhere but on the planes when it hit, therefore it is reasonable to assume that they hit the Pentagon, and it's reasonable to try and figure out where they hit based on the location of the hole the fuseloge supposedly made.

http://usaattacked.com/pentagon.htm

Interesting site.

I'm still confused as to how the nose of the plane went theough rings, E, D, and C, or 144" of wall (24" x 6), but the engines did not. Also, the plane did not gouge a hole 100' wide, It poked a hole about 14' wide, then the roof collapsed. I'm not sure how reliable that site is. I'll go look for something too, but I don't know if I should expect to find anything. If you had the plans to a building involved in a terrorist attack, would you release it's strengths and weaknesses?

Wasn't I clear when I said "I haven't the faintest idea"? I could have sworn that's how I started my response. And then I concluded my response "I don't know". I thought I made it clear enough. I guess I thought wrong.

Dilbert1234567

Actually, will, it Did hit the ground first, well the curb at least. The pic shows the curb in front of the pentagon that was hit by the right engine.

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon...ire_spools.jpg
However, the movie from http://www.pentagonresearch.com/lamps.html
Shows it much better at 4:47

What I was saying is when the plane hit, the shock of the impact torn the engines off, whether they flew straight forward or not is undetermined.

I sure wouldn't, that’s the problem with our research, allot is classified for good reason. But there is no doubt that the walls were thick and designed to protect the united states military headquarters.

You don’t know what happened, but you should be able to recognize that the theory you gave (that is not your own theory about them being relocated) is totally ridicules. I’m not trying to attack you, I know you are smart enough to realize how improbable and hard it is to relocate a plane full of people and make sure no one involved talks about it.

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I'm still going to have to disagree with you on this. Check out 3:58 from the same video. Look at where the "major damage" area in red is. Compare that to the actual photograph I posted earlier:

Dilbert1234567

I still think a real picture of a hole in the curb holds more weight then a simulated picture of some ones interpretations of where it is heavily damaged and not damaged. I ask you how that curb get damaged then? If not the plane, what.

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The curb could have been damaged any number of ways. It doesn't neccesarily prove a plane hit it. What if a UMV hit the Pentagon, right where a generator was to make an explosion, and it's nose, landing gear, or something hit the curb? That's not necessarily the most believable option, but it is possible. The damage could have even been done before the plane hit. It wouldn't be the only coincedence involved in the Pentagon strike.

Dilbert1234567

so your saying they placed charges on each of the light poles, set explosives on the generator, flew a UAV towards the pentagon, lit off the explosives in order as if the UAV was going 500 mph, changed the tone of the UAV's engine when it passed the last light pole, then, blow a small circular chunk out of the sidewalk, dump a bunch of plane parts not found in a UAV onto the lawn, and into the building, with out anyone of the 25,000 people working in the pentagon saying anything? and the people who are not part of the government who were around at the time not say bathing too, like the cab driver that was directly under the path of the plane and who's car was hit by a falling light pole say it was a plane not a UAV... do I need to go on willravel?

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I'm not saying what did happen, I'm saying that there are several explainations for the busted curb. I was trying to be ironic by using the UMV example. Don't go the way of Ustwo...please.

Ustwo

Rube Goldberg does the pentagon.

Will since I know you are not stupid, I can only assume this is an elaborate troll as a social experiment.

Bravo, you had me.

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Dilbert1234567

its hard not to, I’ve shown time and time again that planes could do the damage that was experience on 9/11, you are unconvinced, and I don’t think anything will convince you that 9/11 was perpetrated by Muslim radicals and not our own government. The evidence is overwhelming; everything that the conspiracy theorist comes up with is quashed by real research, real experts and real science. At this point I’m at a loss, things that should by now be obvious, aren’t.

we have an object about the size of a 757 flying low enough to clip light poles crash into the pentagon, it has to be wide enough to clip the number it did, and not wider otherwise it would have clipped more, the tone the object made changed as it hit one of the poles, a missile would not change the engine tone by hitting an obstacle, only a turbine engine, or possibly a rotary engine, does the missile theory also state that the government faked the sounds with large invisible speakers? Whether or not the plane hit the curb or not is really irrelevant, the impact is the size and shape of an engine, so presumably the engine hit it. Even if it didn’t it still does not matter.

So what if the there are some windows that are unbroken, the destruction the pentagon experience was correct for a plane of that size compared to the structure of the pentagon. The windows were 2 inches thick of bullet resistant glass; some would survive a crash. I’m sorry that you feel qualified to predict the exact path of the engine, but you are not, there are way too many variables to say with certainty that it hit the window, no one can, not even a computer simulation, there are to many unknown variables, especially because the engine suffered an impact from a light pole, which did an unknown amount of damage to it, possibly weakening the bolts attaching it to the wing.

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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein (attributed)

Dilbert did you expect him to ever say 'oh I get it now'?

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yeah, I thought after he was shown the evidence, he would realize that the conspiracy theorist were full of it, that there was ample explanations for what happened along 'the official line' with out resorting to black ops.

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Then show your evidence Muslims boarded any of the planes. Why aren't they in the passenger lists ?

What evidence is there other than possibly-faked phone calls of any box cutters? How did the knives get past the metal detectors?

Remember you guys are the ones on the side of the highly improbable theory, logic says it would never happen.

Dilbert1234567

try doing some research and not regurgitating. Took me 2 minutes to find a picture of atta in screening to board the flight.

This is Mohamed Atta being pulled aside for prescreening before boarding American Airlines Flight 11.

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics...screening3.jpg

first off, even in 2006, we have people sneaking all manner of things onto planes, in that day screeners were very lax, and a box cutter is a tool, no one thought it would be used as a weapon, it could have been in there carry on, and missed by the x-ray screener or just passed over. Or planted by an inside man. Before 9/11 I’ve carried knives on board, don’t tell me they can’t get on, not only is it possible, back then it was downright easy.

Also remember a box cutter is nothing more then a metal razor blade and a plastic handle, x-rays give a 2d image of the bag, if placed at the right angle, it wont even look like a blade.


hmm our own government flew planes into the towers by remote control, threw a missile into the pentagon, some how knocked over the light poles in series with out explosives, changed the sound of the missiles engine as it hit one of the light poles, some how hit the generator with out blowing up, then striking the building and blowing up, made 25,000 people in the pentagon lie about it, all the people around the pentagon lie about it, relocated or killed the passengers who were on the flight 77, planted explosives in 3 buildings in new York with out being seen, hit them with planes with out detonating them, then detonating them on command remotely through all the extra debris…

Or a group of men, who disliked our policies, hijacked some planes with simple tools, and crashed them into buildings; which collapsed due to a combination of structure loss and fire.

Even though its not logical to your mind, does not mean it can’t happen. You seem to think just because you don’t understand something that all of a sudden it’s not true, do you understand friction, gravity, nuclear decay, just cause you don’t get it, does not mean they don’t exist. It’s a big world; you need to learn that there are things you won’t understand but do happen.

The world today is very volatile, one single man, who is determined can kill thousands, it’s frightening, I know you want to believe to kill this many people, you need big organizations, planning and manpower, but you don’t.

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Beats the theory of the al Queda instigating the Mt. St. Helens erruption in 1980.

I think the bottom line is this:
There are aspects of the attack that don't add up. Amount of damage inflicted upon the Pentagon seems minimal. Answers and video released by the government are vague and scattered with fallacy. The immedeate melt-down of the WTC remains is strange (to me at least). The passport of one of the terrorist found on the rubble. WTC building 7. Censorship of some footage and commentary on the attacks. Conflicting reports on the elledged phone calls from flight 77. NORAD's three hour response delay. And the way the Bush administration took advantage of this tragic event to promote their own agenda; which is profoundly immoral either way. These things can be explained in many ways, and that's the problem.We cannot agrue to a definitive point for either side until we have more information from the government. Discussion is fine, but I don't see us getting any further without that information.

Seaver

We were at 12 pages before you showed up, most of us just gave up.

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Not sure if you have all seen the second edition of Loose Change

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...hange+2e&hl=en

it addresses many of the issues brought up here.

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And I'm sure you took it at its word.

I should go into business selling bridges.

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Penalty: -10 points. Argumentum ad ignorantiam, argumentum ad hominem

Dilbert1234567

I always thought they did; now I have proof because you said it too!

There are questions, but not that many; the pentagon suffered an appropriate amount of damage for its structure and the nature of the impact

When the first floor failed in the wtc and collapsed, nothing could stop the force the upper part cause by falling, even though it only fell one story, the force is immense. That’s why it fell nearly at a freefall speed,

The censored footage is slowly being released. The gas station footage was recently released and shows nothing of importance.

3 hour delay, yeah our government is not speedy, ever been to the DMV?

Yeah they took advantage of it, do you blame them? It gave them the opportunity to do what they thought was best for the middle east, I completely Disagree with it, and think there are the lowest of the low for taking advantage of it, but I don’t think they orchestrated it. I want to make one thing clear, I do not support the administrations handling of the situation, there middle east policy.

This is a classic case of incompetence, not conspiracy.


Nearly there too.

The first was full of so many technical inaccuracies, half truths, and gross misunderstandings of science; I’m not holding my breath on this one. When I get a stable internet connection back up, I’ll take a look, just to humor you.

if you loose changers have the time, here is a list of refutes to many of the points in the first and second loose change movies:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...-of-loose.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...-loose_15.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...-in-loose.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...-loose_17.html

well i am watching loose change 2, here is a running list of my thoughts as i watch:

They continually play clips of people saying it was a missile, or a cargo plane, which it plenty of video evidence contradicts.

All the stock quotes are total bull, they picked and chose the days around 9/11 that had the highest put options, if they knew a thing or 2 about the markets, or the word average, they’d know why.

They misuse several quotes;

“The speed, the maneuverability, the way he turned, we all thought … all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that it was a military plane.”

It should read:

"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."

They left off the part that says it’s possible, but unsafe. But possible.

The light poles:
They screw this up too. The don’t mention that the light poles on the street are designed to break away, for safety reasons, if a car hits a solid pole, the car will decelerate quickly and kill the people inside, however, if the pole breaks, the car will not decelerate as quickly, sparing the people inside.

They say there is no evidence of plane parts at the pentagon, they are flat wrong; here are plenty of pictures of plane parts:
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

You know what, this movie is filled with so much half truths, misinformation and flat out lies, It’s not worth my time.

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Dil

You actually believe that?

"When the first floor failed in the wtc and collapsed, nothing could stop the force the upper part cause by falling, even though it only fell one story, the force is immense. That’s why it fell nearly at a freefall speed"

The building didn't fall that way. It just sort of completely crumbled, what made the floors well above the impact disintegrate?


"Yeah they took advantage of it, do you blame them? It gave them the opportunity to do what they thought was best for the middle east"

Bush wanted to attack Iraq in response, they had nothing to do with the whole affair. Anybody should blame them.

At least you are right about the incompetance... and voted them in for another 4 years?

Dilbert1234567

Here are some pics you will never see on the conspiracy websites:
http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfan...stFace958.html
http://wtc.nist.gov/WTC_Conf_Sep13-1...McAllister.pdf

The sides of the towers bowed under the weight and structural weakness from the fire in the minutes leading up to the collapse, unless you want to tell me that the government planted pulleys to make it look like that, then detonated the explosives, which by the way no trace was ever found of explosives in the rubble.

It did not just ‘suddenly collapse’ as you claim, there were many signs before hand that it was about to giveaway.
http://www.representativepress.org/B...plosives2.html
As for how it collapsed, the floors above did NOT just crumble the fell down into the lower level, the impacts of hitting the lower level broke the upper floors apart.

As for the administrations handling of it, I was not clear with my last post. What they did was despicable, using a tragedy to promote there agenda. How ever, in there eyes the end’s justify the means, they truly believed that Sadam was connected with Al Qaeda and Osama, they thought they knew what was best for the country and took actions to make it happen. I don’t agree with what they did, but I understand they thought it was the right thing to do.

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Originally Posted by fastom At least you are right about the incompetance... and voted them in for another 4 years?

I hope you don’t think I voted for that moron, I didn’t, ever, not in 2000, not in 2004, and god forbid he changes the constitution, not in 2008.

We are in agreement that they guy is a douche, his presidency is corrupt and despicable. But they still did not cause 9/11.

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I wasn't aware that any testing was done to look for traces of explosives (especially by a non-governmental agency or one that wasn't funded by the US gov.). They hauled off most of the rubble rather quickly.

The only logic left in the explosives in the building theory is that right after the buildings started to collapse, that their were people monitoring the building and set off remote charges to make sure that the entire building fell, and that it went straight down.

Seaver

Yay now we're back to the explosives which were so advanced they could survive a plane crash and the resulting 1500 degree temperatures.... and still every single one worked perfectly. This is your only logic?

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*If* the planes were intended to hit the building and then the building was to be demolished, wouldn't you expect that those who planned it would have simply put the charges in the areas lease likely to be effected by a localized crash and fire? Admittedly I am begging the question, but if you are to explore this line of thought, one should follow it through completly.

Please note that I used the word 'if', to suggest that this is a hypothetical exercise and not based on any of my conclusions. Whether or not this is my suspeician is beside the point, but I can say that this is not my conclusion. I would rather not phrase my responses in here as if I were a lawyer, but I have been misquoted and misunderstood so many times that I feel this has become necessary in order for people to understand me.

ASU2003

The explosives wouldn't have to endure the high temperatures if they were 5 or 10 stories under where the planes went in at. And just because the US government has the technology to do all of this, doesn't exactly make it so. And I'm still not 100% convinced of anything yet.

Then again, what would have happened if the towers had not collapsed? If the sprinklers had delivered enough water to put out most of the fires? Would some 'emergency personnel' go in and removed these explosives before anybody else found them?

Most conspiracy theories are probably false, but when you get a government that has ties to a lot of crooked people and doesn't communicate very effectively (or outright tells us things that aren't true), you don't know what to believe anymore.

Ustwo

You forgot about the reverse vampires silly.

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Ch'i

This is the last place I expected to hear a Simpsons refrence.

Ustwo

Ptolemy had a very intricate system to show how the planets could still revolve about the earth, since the thought of the earth revolving about the sun was unthinkable. Its amazingly complex, full of laws for each planet, its a masterpiece of mathmatics. It also shows that no matter how wrong an idea is, you can find a way to justify it.

What we have here is a Copernician viewpoint in that the planes caused all the damage of 9/11. Its a solution which works, and while not every fact is known, (Copernicus thought the planets moved in circular orbits), the main idea is 100% correct.

Then we have the Ptolemaic view, which is that the most cunning and devious plan in perhaps of all time was carried out under the noses of millions of people, executed flawlessly, and perfect enough to fool every qualified investigator. Much like a 1400 century man who can't give up a geocentric world view, the 9/11 conspiracy type can not accept that their world view was in error and they invent their own types of retrograde motions to complicate the most basic of events.

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fastom

I don't think anybody had to endure 1500 degree temperatures. Fire is just not that hot. Ever been near a wood stove, a campfire or a candle? You can stand just inches away from either and not burn up... why is that?

If you believe the witnesses who were just a couple floors above for a while after the impact it wasn't hot enough to mention.

The fire would need to be forced and directed (aka: a torch) to have the claimed effects on the building.

A whole lot of video evidence shows just what the fire was doing, to compare with other more severe building fires it looks pretty minor. Nothing to make it collapse.

You've lost me.

Cynthetiq

have you pointed a laser thermometer are the center of a fire or stove??? It's hotter in the CENTER of the fire but exponential amounts.... but you can still stand next to it.

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Oh that was your science teachers committing suicide in embarrasment.

Uh-huh. So at 600mph a pilot can gague within seconds exactly what floor they are going to hit? That would leave about 3-4 seconds maximum, with a plane that makes a bus seem sporty. Try counting out the floors in a 100+ story building and getting within 5 floors in less than one second because of the time it'd take to maneuver it to hit said floor.

Plus, the building started collapsing at the level of impact, if it was a detonation 10 stories down I think we'd notice.

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Dilbert1234567

Again, hopefully for the last time,

TEMPERATURE DOES NOT EQUAL HEAT

I can take a blow torch to my arm, as long as I do it quickly enough only my hair will be burned, not my skin, I can stand in front of a fire for a while, eventually it will start to hurt, and I will cook. I can pick up a piece of aluminum foil that came out of a 500 F oven, it's not just temperature, and it’s also how fast it can be transferred.

you have no idea how the world works, please take some time out of your busy schedule and take a class in physics, I’m sure there is a community college near you, take a night class, it will enrich your life.

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