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Originally Posted by Ch'i
Beats the theory of the al Queda instigating the Mt. St. Helens erruption in 1980.  |
I always thought they did; now I have proof because you said it too!
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Originally Posted by Ch'i
I think the bottom line is this:
There are aspects of the attack that don't add up. Amount of damage inflicted upon the Pentagon seems minimal. Answers and video released by the government are vague and scattered with fallacy. The immedeate melt-down of the WTC remains is strange (to me at least). The passport of one of the terrorist found on the rubble. WTC building 7. Censorship of some footage and commentary on the attacks. Conflicting reports on the elledged phone calls from flight 77. NORAD's three hour response delay. And the way the Bush administration took advantage of this tragic event to promote their own agenda; which is profoundly immoral either way. These things can be explained in many ways, and that's the problem.We cannot agrue to a definitive point for either side until we have more information from the government. Discussion is fine, but I don't see us getting any further without that information.
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There are questions, but not that many; the pentagon suffered an appropriate amount of damage for its structure and the nature of the impact
When the first floor failed in the wtc and collapsed, nothing could stop the force the upper part cause by falling, even though it only fell one story, the force is immense. That’s why it fell nearly at a freefall speed,
The censored footage is slowly being released. The gas station footage was recently released and shows nothing of importance.
3 hour delay, yeah our government is not speedy, ever been to the DMV?
Yeah they took advantage of it, do you blame them? It gave them the opportunity to do what they thought was best for the middle east, I completely Disagree with it, and think there are the lowest of the low for taking advantage of it, but I don’t think they orchestrated it. I want to make one thing clear, I do not support the administrations handling of the situation, there middle east policy.
This is a classic case of incompetence, not conspiracy.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
We were at 12 pages before you showed up, most of us just gave up.
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Nearly there too.
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The first was full of so many technical inaccuracies, half truths, and gross misunderstandings of science; I’m not holding my breath on this one. When I get a stable internet connection back up, I’ll take a look, just to humor you.
if you loose changers have the time, here is a list of refutes to many of the points in the first and second loose change movies:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...-of-loose.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...-loose_15.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...-in-loose.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...-loose_17.html
well i am watching loose change 2, here is a running list of my thoughts as i watch:
They continually play clips of people saying it was a missile, or a cargo plane, which it plenty of video evidence contradicts.
All the stock quotes are total bull, they picked and chose the days around 9/11 that had the highest put options, if they knew a thing or 2 about the markets, or the word average, they’d know why.
They misuse several quotes;
“The speed, the maneuverability, the way he turned, we all thought … all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that it was a military plane.”
It should read:
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."
They left off the part that says it’s possible, but unsafe. But possible.
The light poles:
They screw this up too. The don’t mention that the light poles on the street are designed to break away, for safety reasons, if a car hits a solid pole, the car will decelerate quickly and kill the people inside, however, if the pole breaks, the car will not decelerate as quickly, sparing the people inside.
They say there is no evidence of plane parts at the pentagon, they are flat wrong; here are plenty of pictures of plane parts:
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html
You know what, this movie is filled with so much half truths, misinformation and flat out lies, It’s not worth my time.