The World of Warcraft Thread

[Cynthetiq]

Unlike Hakkar and the rest of Zul'Gurub you can still fight and kill Arthas.

[Zeraph]

What happened to those two?

[YaWhateva]

Originally Posted by Zeraph

What happened to those two?

They were removed from the game when the Shattering occurred.

[Strange Famous]

I hope Arthas is still in the game

I have not yet had the opportunity to slit his throat, which I wish to do on the basis of imfamous and outrageous crimes and indignities he committed against me when I had a Death Knight character.

He, through some minion of his, forced me to murder the lady that looked after me as a small child.

Once I have killed him I will use the "dance" emote function and quite literally dance on his corpse.

[Zeraph]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

I hope Arthas is still in the game

I have not yet had the opportunity to slit his throat, which I wish to do on the basis of imfamous and outrageous crimes and indignities he committed against me when I had a Death Knight character.

He, through some minion of his, forced me to murder the lady that looked after me as a small child.

Once I have killed him I will use the "dance" emote function and quite literally dance on his corpse.

I hope you play on a roleplay server lol it'd really fit you.

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Can someone give me a nice summary (like 2-4 paragraphs) of what happened in northrend and cataclysm?

[Reese]

Zeraph, My rogue friend says highest damage with a fast offhand for muta is best.

[Strange Famous]

Its funny what you can do if you look a bit at the mechanics of the game.

Someone advised me to increase my agility to do more damage...and since I did with the same gun I am doing almost double the damage.

The main thing that is a lot easier on hunter is cos I dont use mana I can just use "heal pet" all the time. It makes single enemies miles easier to deal with, even an elite guy the same level or one higher than me... just send in my owl to fuck him up while I blast him from a distance with the nature poison sting.

The thing I most miss is the spell that cast a storm of arrows that hit multiple enemies all at once, and also the ability to have spirit bond skill without having the animal handling spec... because I liked that I healed so much faster than everyone else.

_

I know everyone has their favourite class. I tried warlock as its supposed to be like hunter but more damaging but didnt like it. Hunter is the one I like playing best. After that Paladin (or Mujahideen as I like to think of my Paladin as)

[Shauk]

Yeah Arthas, in lore, is now dead. In game, outland and northrend are in different time periods, They did talk about adding portals to outland and northrend to caverns of time after giving those areas a "cataclysm" treatment, but they realized in order for those areas to be relevant they would have to retool the entire storyline of those zones again.


it's bizzare, you literally go BACK in time depending on your playthrough. DK's have to have the most confusing timeline. "Arthas is alive!"
*enter capital city in current cataclysm content*
"Arthas is dead!"
*level through outland, make it to northrend*
"Arthas is alive!"
*leave northrend*
"Arthas is dead!"

[Reese]

I got the Phosphorescent Stone Drake the other day. It's the purple one from the Ultra rare spawn in Deepholm. It's pretty badass but like the other ones, it's bugged and instead of actually being on the drake my character floats under it.

[Punk.of.Ages]

Are they bugged or are they meant to look like they're carrying you around with their claws?

[Baraka_Guru]

Originally Posted by Punk.of.Ages

Are they bugged or are they meant to look like they're carrying you around with their claws?

YouTube - Volcanic Stone Drake bug

YouTube - Volcanic Stone Drake bug

[Strange Famous]

who wants to fly a dragon anyway? My Griffin is fine...

[Baraka_Guru]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

who wants to fly a dragon anyway? My Griffin is fine...

Are you kidding me? It's a freakin' dragon!

[Punk.of.Ages]

Okay, yeah, I hadn't actually seen the bug yet. I had only heard about it. That is definitely a bug...

[Zeraph]

I hate those friggin dragon mounts. For one because I don't have one :P But the other main reason is there always landing in front of my camera or on the mailbox. ><

[Strange Famous]

I heard that they weakened Hogger in the new update. Thats lame.

Hogger was always like the ultimate enemy at the level you have to fight him... he chased me all the way to Duskwood multiple times...

[Zeraph]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

I heard that they weakened Hogger in the new update. Thats lame.

Hogger was always like the ultimate enemy at the level you have to fight him... he chased me all the way to Duskwood multiple times...

Naw, the toughest for the level, was the captain in dire maul, that's bypassable with a quest. But if you take him on he does aoe fear every 10 sec or so and summons adds. Plus you can be feared into adds behind him. Very hard now that dwarf priests don't get fear ward as a racial priest ability (at that level, I know its universal now).

Recently releveing a druid, it took my group like 6 tries. And we barely made it.

[Cynthetiq]

Originally Posted by Zeraph

I hate those friggin dragon mounts. For one because I don't have one :P But the other main reason is there always landing in front of my camera or on the mailbox. ><

If you did the What a long strange trip it's been achievement you get a dragon mount in your mailbox. It takes one year from start to finish and all you are doing are the holiday quests. If you missed doing the Christmas quests, you'll have to wait until next Christmas, but if you have all of them BUT the Valentine's day ones... it's coming up!!!

[Zeraph]

Didn't bother with the christmas quests wish I knew this

I can't remember if I've said this before, but I really wish old/original accounts got some kind of achievement just for playing so long and supporting them in the beginning. I played beta, and played opening day. But got nothing except hard, crowded, buggy leveling for my troubles.

[Cynthetiq]

There's lots of things that you should have gotten as achievements as being original players. There's feats of strength for having the quest to open up MC. Many of the original quests were able to get you close to being Loremaster if you finished it pre-cata. After cata launched they reset the tables and you have to redo all the quests again.

there's no real way for Blizzard to get all that information out front and center. You've got to take a little responsibility and read the news that gets generated. I read MMOChampion because they are really current and cover everything. There are class related places like Warcraft Hunters Union.

I don't read them daily but I read them regularly.

Also if you got a 310 flying mount BEFORE cata, you didn't have to purchase the flying mount speed upgrade, it went to ALL your flying mounts. I found this out by reading MMO.

[Zeraph]

Meh, that's still not much of an incentive for old old players to come back.

So can someone explain to me archeology? Whenever I hit it it says can't do that here. I'm guessing I need to find low level spots to level it up, but I don't know what to look for.

[MPower]

Meh. Dragons are a dime a dozen now. The upped the drop rate from the sholazar egg and you can always get some bored 85s to blow through culling of stratholm for the mount or zerg Sarth with 3drakes up for that one.

re: archeology. zoom out to the map and look for little hammers in zones. zoom in there and there is a red circle where you go dig. and dont bother solving any till you have 100 skill. you quit getting skillups from digging at 100

[Reese]

It's true, there are a lot of Drakes but there's still some pretty rare ones that I'd like to have. The Azure Drake from Maly and he Onyxian Drake are two of my favorites from WOTLK. As for the Stone drake, It's not my favorite color. I'm not a fan of the green and purple. I really love the the Volcanic Drake though. I'm only 3 achievements away too. I will say that the attention that mine gets is awesome. I probably get 2-3 whispers an hour asking about it. I guess that happens when you have the only one on the faction(server?).

I'm such a mount whore..

[Zeraph]

So replaying from 1-60 was fun. The new quests are good, you can tell they've learned from their past. Sometimes though you'll run into an obvious zone that hasnt been changed, I suggest DF for those levels. But simply exploring the old world and seeing all the damage that's been done, is neat. The 60s are taking a bit, but still faster than they used to be.

If anyone wants to reroll to experience the new 1-60 reroll feathermoon! I'll help ya out.

Oh, the other thing, money seems easier to make. I'm 64 now and have made 5,000g. Whereas my rogue and warlock that are the same level and leveled to 60 before BC then played for a few levels after BC only had around 500g. Not sure what the difference is. The money drops seem to be the same. I only sold one epic for 400g. So I dunno if that's actually changed, maybe I've just gotten better at playing the auction house.

But I have a friend who has an amazing mind for the WoW market. He literally earns about 5-8k a day!

[Reese]

Gold is extremely easy to come by now. I honestly don't know how the economy hasn't completely collapsed yet. The AH isn't too hard to play. I just focus on a couple of things and do really well. For the last week or so I've been buying Zephyrite, Jasper and Nightstone when they're cheap and on days when the JC daily requires you to cut 3 of one of them, I can sell all that I've bought in the last few days for 3-400% profit.

[Strange Famous]

I'm like one days playing away from getting to level 85

But I did a couple of the cataclysim dungeons and I was so weak compared to everyone else. I did like 6% of the damage or something

All my gear is above level 300, and I even changed my pet from an owl to a wolf to try and bring more damage to enemies.

All my trinkets add to agility and a lot of my armour does as well now...

I get through the quests absolutely fine and I can take on enemies from the horde ok if they are similar level (and if I shoot first!)... but I always suck in dungeons and battlefields. Maybe I just dont use the special shots in the right order.

[Frosstbyte]

Well my guild is 9/12 on bosses now and I have to say they really kicked up the difficulty of the end of instance bosses. We've gotten Cho'gall down below 20% a few times, but Al'Akir and Nefarian have both kicked our asses pretty hard. I'm not a huge fan of how the new heroics play, but I think they've gotten the raid tuning to a much more fun level this time around, with a ton of really fun mechanics to learn.

[Reese]

Cool FB, We're only 4/12 right now because we can't get our raids formed. Our flakiest people are playing our most important classes heh. None of the fights have been too demanding on me as a tank though.

[bum4evr]

I played warcraft for about a year and a half as an alliance boomkin druid. When cata came out I just got tired of the rat race, it seemed like I had to start all over again getting gear and the best pets and mounts so I could keep up with the Joneses.

So i sold my account for a measly $175 bucks at playerauctions.com


I miss Everquest

[Strange Famous]

Originally Posted by Zeraph

I hope you play on a roleplay server lol it'd really fit you.[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]

Not sure what type of server it is.

I hit lvl 85 now. The problem is I dont know what mission you have to take to kill Arthas. Might look it up on google.

Also - Ive been thinking on those people talking shit about Sylvanas....

Has anyone noted that the king of Gilneas is called "Greymane"

Now think about it... the guy just "happens" to "innocently" be turned into a werewolf (and all his people) by the Forsaken. And its a coincidence his name is "Greyman" and he gets turned into a grey coloured animal with a mane.

Is anyone buying it? Does that sound realistic to you?

Wait till the next stories come out and I think we will find Sylvanas is innocent and Greymane is guilty?

[Baraka_Guru]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Wait till the next stories come out and I think we will find Sylvanas is innocent and Greymane is guilty?

Sylvanas innocent of atrocities she wouldn't deny and Greymane guilty of defending his people? What? How?

[Strange Famous]

Just look at Greymane's name. Why would a normal man be called Greymane? It is only a name that someone who was ALREADY a werewolf would assume. We can assume that he was a werewolf all along, and he is throwing the blame at Sylvanas to prompt his notoriously isolationist people into war.

[Baraka_Guru]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Just look at Greymane's name. Why would a normal man be called Greymane? It is only a name that someone who was ALREADY a werewolf would assume. We can assume that he was a werewolf all along, and he is throwing the blame at Sylvanas to prompt his notoriously isolationist people into war.

The status of Greymane as a worgen has little bearing on the actions of the Forsaken.

If Greymane is guilty of anything, it's his decision to not help Lordaeron, which may have stopped the Scourge from reaching their borders. It may have prevented his decision to release the worgens in the first place.

Sylvanas, however, is beyond redemption in her conquest of Gilneas. You cannot be proven innocent when you are clearly guilty.

[Strange Famous]

who definies "guilt"?

The supposed victim of the werewolf curse is himself (or at least is very likely to be) already a werewolf. This doesnt make you question the story of the events given by Gilneas?

You accuse Sylvanas of making the Gilnean's werewolves... ask yourself, how are her interests served by making the human bigots who wish to hunt her people out of existence into superstrong, supervicious, animals?

Why would she do something so against her best interests?

[Baraka_Guru]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

who definies "guilt"?

Facts. She's guilty of the conquest of Gilneas. That is, unless you don't believe that conquest is evil, in which case, it's "just business" or the Gilneans "had it coming."

The supposed victim of the werewolf curse is himself (or at least is very likely to be) already a werewolf. This doesnt make you question the story of the events given by Gilneas?

The curse is still a curse. Even if Greymane had it the whole time during this storyline, he's still a victim of the worgen curse. But, again, this is beside the point if we're analyzing the actions of Sylvanas.

You accuse Sylvanas of making the Gilnean's werewolves... ask yourself, how are her interests served by making the human bigots who wish to hunt her people out of existence into superstrong, supervicious, animals?

I'm not accusing her of making them into the worgen; I'm accusing her of invading and attempting to conquer Gilneas. And she has a history of using biological weapons—the Forsaken Blight—which is so terrible that even the Horde warchief ordered her to stop using it, and she refused.

Why would she do something so against her best interests?

Regardless of whether it's in her interests or not to attack Gilneas, it's in her direct interest to conquer Gilneas to redeem herself with the Horde after the events at Wrathgate.


I find it difficult to accept your having so much sympathy for someone who resorts to actions that are no less than a reprehensible atrocity. The fact that she's under orders does not absolve her of her guilt.

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

how are her interests served by making the human bigots who wish to hunt her people out of existence into superstrong, supervicious, animals?

Also, you know very well the Gilneans were isolationist. They weren't "bigots who wish to hunt her people out of existence."

[Strange Famous]

1, conquest is not necessarily good or evil - it is neutral. Duke William of Normandy is known as the conqueror, but he is probably the historical individual I admire more than anyone else (and I am not saying that to get a reaction - its true). The conquest of Poland by the Nazi's and Soviet's I would call evil. The conquest of Germany by the US, the Soviets and the UK/Empire forces I would describe as good.

The FACT is that the Forsaken are surrounded by the Scarlet Crusade who do not think they are fit to exist and wish to wipe them off the face of the earth. Sylvanas has had to take necessary actions to defend her people.

2 - It is relevant because I believe that Greymane is implicated in spreading the curse through his kingdom

3 - Sylvanas is an ALLIED to the Horde, she is not the Vassal of some hare brained orc warchief who turns his back on his people to join a bunch of hippies who sit around and worship nature at the first sime of trouble. There is no reason for her to obey anyone. Her chief desire is to protect the forsaken, and she co-operates with the horse insofar as they have common enemies, thats all.

4 - All acts of war are atrocities when viewed in a purely human sense. But you either defend yourself or die.

For example, there is a case where William forced a whole town to surrender by cutting off the hands and feer of 32 prisoners in full view of them. Some would say this was an atrocity. Some would say that this brutality spared the lives not only of his own men but the conquered as well. The same argument was used about the use of atomic bombs against Japan. Sylvanas does not hesitate to use any means at her disposal to defend her people. This is not inherently evil. She simply is in a desperate situation.

[Baraka_Guru]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

1, conquest is not necessarily good or evil - it is neutral. Duke William of Normandy is known as the conqueror, but he is probably the historical individual I admire more than anyone else (and I am not saying that to get a reaction - its true). The conquest of Poland by the Nazi's and Soviet's I would call evil. The conquest of Germany by the US, the Soviets and the UK/Empire forces I would describe as good.

The FACT is that the Forsaken are surrounded by the Scarlet Crusade who do not think they are fit to exist and wish to wipe them off the face of the earth. Sylvanas has had to take necessary actions to defend her people.

Sylvanas isn't defending her people here, she's following orders from the Horde. She's engaging in conquest because the Horde wants a fucking port. It has nothing to do with the Forsaken directly.

2 - It is relevant because I believe that Greymane is implicated in spreading the curse through his kingdom

But this still has no bearing on the actions of Sylvanas. Though it could be argued that it in the end helped the Gilneans thwart the evil onslaught.

3 - Sylvanas is an ALLIED to the Horde, she is not the Vassal of some hare brained orc warchief who turns his back on his people to join a bunch of hippies who sit around and worship nature at the first sime of trouble. There is no reason for her to obey anyone. Her chief desire is to protect the forsaken, and she co-operates with the horse insofar as they have common enemies, thats all.

So she chooses the path of evil. I agree with you, but it doesn't help your case.

4 - All acts of war are atrocities when viewed in a purely human sense. But you either defend yourself or die.

This is what the Gilneans are doing. The Forsaken are not at risk in this conquest. They are the aggressors, and they are fighting merely for redemption and to conquer land for the Horde.

For example, there is a case where William forced a whole town to surrender by cutting off the hands and feer of 32 prisoners in full view of them. Some would say this was an atrocity. Some would say that this brutality spared the lives not only of his own men but the conquered as well. The same argument was used about the use of atomic bombs against Japan. Sylvanas does not hesitate to use any means at her disposal to defend her people. This is not inherently evil. She simply is in a desperate situation.

But she's not defending her people, she's using them to fulfill the desires of the Horde. She's doing it for power, not in defense. Since when is an invasion a defense? The Gilnean's were probably the least threatening people to the Forsaken in their isolationism. The Horde became opportunists when they saw their wall had fallen.

Are you saying that the Gilneans are merely lambs for the slaughter for the survival of the Forsaken?

It would be like saying it's okay for Iraq to conquer Kuwait to ensure their continued security in the Middle East. I don't buy it.

The Forsaken are the aggressors via the Horde. Gilneas are the ones defending themselves. Which side would you have supported when Germany invaded Poland?

Evil is as evil does.

[YaWhateva]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

some hare brained orc warchief who turns his back on his people to join a bunch of hippies who sit around and worship nature at the first sime of trouble.

Oh you mean in trying to save the world from being torn in half? Yeah...you know absolutely nothing of the lore and are just making ridiculous shit up in your own mind. I'm a fan of Sylvanas' story and character but the nonsense you are spewing is insane. If you have any interest in not sounding like ignorant, maybe you should read the lore more or maybe some of the novels (I haven't read the novels but I know the plot for most of what happens).

Also, yeah you go find that quest to kill Arthas. See how that works out for you.

Baraka, the only thing I will say, though, is that Sylvanas does seem to have a lot of her own intentions that aren't necessarily of interest to the Horde.

Here is a really good read up about Sylvanas' lore in Cataclysm (lots of spoilers):

Know Your Lore: Sylvanas Windrunner, part 1
Know Your Lore: Sylvanas Windrunner, part 2

[Baraka_Guru]

Originally Posted by YaWhateva

Baraka, the only thing I will say, though, is that Sylvanas does seem to have a lot of her own intentions that aren't necessarily of interest to the Horde.

Yeah, I realize that, but have focused on this particular part.

[Shauk]

you can read up on greymane here, they have a nice lil short story.

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm - Features - [t]Leaders of the Alliance: Genn Greymane