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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
1, conquest is not necessarily good or evil - it is neutral. Duke William of Normandy is known as the conqueror, but he is probably the historical individual I admire more than anyone else (and I am not saying that to get a reaction - its true). The conquest of Poland by the Nazi's and Soviet's I would call evil. The conquest of Germany by the US, the Soviets and the UK/Empire forces I would describe as good.
The FACT is that the Forsaken are surrounded by the Scarlet Crusade who do not think they are fit to exist and wish to wipe them off the face of the earth. Sylvanas has had to take necessary actions to defend her people.
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Sylvanas isn't defending her people here, she's following orders from the Horde. She's engaging in conquest because the Horde wants a fucking port. It has nothing to do with the Forsaken directly.
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2 - It is relevant because I believe that Greymane is implicated in spreading the curse through his kingdom
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But this still has no bearing on the actions of Sylvanas. Though it could be argued that it in the end helped the Gilneans thwart the evil onslaught.
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3 - Sylvanas is an ALLIED to the Horde, she is not the Vassal of some hare brained orc warchief who turns his back on his people to join a bunch of hippies who sit around and worship nature at the first sime of trouble. There is no reason for her to obey anyone. Her chief desire is to protect the forsaken, and she co-operates with the horse insofar as they have common enemies, thats all.
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So she chooses the path of evil. I agree with you, but it doesn't help your case.
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4 - All acts of war are atrocities when viewed in a purely human sense. But you either defend yourself or die.
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This is what the Gilneans are doing. The Forsaken are not at risk in this conquest. They are the aggressors, and they are fighting merely for redemption and to conquer land for the Horde.
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For example, there is a case where William forced a whole town to surrender by cutting off the hands and feer of 32 prisoners in full view of them. Some would say this was an atrocity. Some would say that this brutality spared the lives not only of his own men but the conquered as well. The same argument was used about the use of atomic bombs against Japan. Sylvanas does not hesitate to use any means at her disposal to defend her people. This is not inherently evil. She simply is in a desperate situation.
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But she's not defending her people, she's using them to fulfill the desires of the Horde. She's doing it for power, not in defense. Since when is an invasion a defense? The Gilnean's were probably the least threatening people to the Forsaken in their isolationism. The Horde became opportunists when they saw their wall had fallen.
Are you saying that the Gilneans are merely lambs for the slaughter for the survival of the Forsaken?
It would be like saying it's okay for Iraq to conquer Kuwait to ensure their continued security in the Middle East. I don't buy it.
The Forsaken are the aggressors via the Horde. Gilneas are the ones defending themselves. Which side would you have supported when Germany invaded Poland?
Evil is as evil does.