Sticky

Are the Leaf's Canada's Team.

I often heard the Leafs referred to as Canada's Team.
TSN puts a very heavy focus on the Leafs.
The CBC puts even more emphasis on them to the point that if you are ever going to see the Canadiens play on Hockey Night In Canada it will be when they are playing the Leafs. The CBC is supposed to represent the people of Canada not just the Leaf fans.

So I pose the following question to you:

Which Canadian NHL team do you root for?


I root for the Habs. I think all Canadian teams and then the US ones come before the Leafs.

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Fly

just my personal opinion........


FUCK THE LEAFS.


i'm a diehard Canucks fan here baby......


the world does not revolve around Toronto like many of the TSN...(toronto sports network) anal....ists think.

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Ace_O_Spades

Once again flyman, you prove that we have the exact same mentality.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

I hate the Leafs, I'll be so happy if they miss the playoffs (as long as my Habs and Nucks make it). They aren't Canada's team.

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Feh.

Charlatan

Fuck Hockey!!


/me ducks

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Sticky

I really wanted to post a poll with this one but soemthing wierd happened (probably human error).

Here were the options
- Calgary Flames
- Edmonton Oilers
- Montreal Canadiens
- Ottawa Senators
- Toronto Maple Leafs
- Vancouver Canucks
- I can't root for anyone other that the Quebec Nordiques
- I can't root for anyone other than the Winnipeg Jets
- I don't root for any of these teams
- Hockey?

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Charlatan

Here is Sticky's poll

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eribrav

I thought the game you got for HNIC depended on where you live......

Scorps

Damn right

Bossnass

Here is to supporting the home team, even if they have had some goalie problems this season. I'd like to see another team fill the arena as frequently. To the Oilers, and to once and future glory.

Bossnass

*to clarify*

I lived in Calgary in 98- spring 02. I sat and watched and supported terrible flames teams, in a half empty Saddledome. I moved to Edmonton in fall 02. And I have stood and watched and cheerfully endorsed terrible oiliers teams, in an always full or nearly so Collesium.

I duly hit 17th, the red mile, during the 04 flames run, but I was well aware that I was surrounded by fair weather fans.

I've never actually lived in Vancouver, but if Edmonton, Calgary, Ottowa, Toronto, and Montreal are out of the playoffs, in that order, (and I currently think Sens to Stanley), I will gladly support the Canucks.

skier

Oilers all the way baby (even though this year the bandwagon is a damn bumpy ride)

The leaf's aren't MY canada's team

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highthief

Hell, I grew up in Montreal in the 70s. No matter where I live now, there is no other team I can root for.

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Leto

I support the home team. They suck. But I still support them.

- The Canucks suck big. But I love their old jerseys. Oh and I supported them wen I lived in Canuckle land

- Calgary is also suck-worthy. But I was probably the only person in TO who had a Flames flag on his car during the last playoff run. And I believe that Pat Quin played the Flames way back (in Atlanta). Plus he coached the Canucks. Yes, Calgary Sucks.

- Edmonton? Don't get me started. They suck

- Winnipeg? Goddam I miss Winnipeg. Even though they sucked.

- Ottawa? the single most arrogant fans in the nation. The nations team? probably they are now. long history (admittedly broked for a bit) oh, ya, Ottawa sucks.

- Montreal, they truly suck, especially a couple of nights ago, and tonight, when they will undoubtedly thrash the beloved Leafs again.

- Quebec, I never even got to know you quebec But i did like to watch Sundin play there, and the Stastneys. But when it comes down to it, the No-dicks sucked big time.

- Toronto is the team. Le Bleu et Blanc. The reason the HNIC was created. ahh those fucking Leafs... can't live with 'em......

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Lucifer

I'm with Charlatan on this one. Hockey? what's that?

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Fly

the fuck are you talkin' about man????


lemme guess.........you were a figure skater when you were growin' up right?

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Charlatan

Naw... I played hockey, like most little boys in Canada. I just don't like watching it. I'd rather do other things.

During the strike, I didn't miss a thing.

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splck

Bah, the leafs are NOT Canada's team despite what TSN (toronto sports network) says. The Canadian olympic or junior team are the only ones that represent Canada as a whole.
The Leafs as well as the Habs are at the very bottom of my list.
oh, and Ottawa sucks...just in case you were wondering.

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silent_jay

Of course the Leafs, can't beat'em. Going to the play-offs this year again, they just have to work a little harder thats all. Second is the Habs I guess, used to hate them, then the Sens came along.

Since moving to Ottawa I've come to hate the Sens even more.

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Lucifer

well, if we are going NSFW on this thread, then here's my 2 cents worth:

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Ace_O_Spades

Seriously... I think you should remove that... I don't want to that at all, ever...

..especially considering Montreal has some of the most beautiful women on the planet... and they seem to find their way to the Habs games and dance around in the audience with no bras under tight jerseys... so I can't complain.

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highthief

Heh. 6-2 Habs. Montreal is still in a dog fight for that last playoff spot, but I think they just put the nails in the Leafs coffin.

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Charlatan

Wow... when was the last time the Leafs didn't make the playoffs?

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fresnelly

I like this quote from an article comparing the cities of Calgary and Toronto in this weekend's Globe, by Chris Koentges: (speaking about the Air Canada Centre)

"...the arena doesn't feel lived in yet. (With Maple Leaf Gardens now an unfinished grocery store, and the Montreal Forum a downtown Pepsi ad - you'll have to let this sink in for a minute - Calgary's Saddledome is the last iconic arena left in the country.) The Stanley Cup banners feel out of place - from anouther century. The seats are too comfortable."



Speaking about the Air Canada Centre:

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Fly

who fucking cares man.........i'm lovin' it.......





*still conserned about his Canucks*

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Ace_O_Spades

Exactly... I'll dance a jig if the leafs miss the playoffs. Sheer exuberance

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Antikarma

Toronto still has a team?

GO CANUCKS!

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blahblah454

I agree 100% But then again I hate almost all sports, organised sports anyways.

Sticky

Thanks for the poll

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Sticky

The banners are from another century and pretty far back in that century if I remember correctly.

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Sticky

1998
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Leto

Actually, so will I. I want something to shake this ownership up, kind of like when the beloved leafs went through the wonderful streak in the '80's when they DID ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY NOTHING! and the management/ownership did likewise.


grrrrr.



what a fuck of a waste of the talents of Sundin, Gilmour, Salming, Sittler, Macdonald and the rest...

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You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey
And I never saw someone say that before
You held my hand and we walked home the long way
You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr

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leftwingx

Calgary Flames - all the way.

After cheering them on for 18 years and watching in horror while ownership continued to piss away talent and bandwagon jumping fans, I feel like it's our turn. And then some.

I'm also among the many that won't be crying themselves to sleep if the Leafs don't make the playoffs. It's time again for that too.

Go Flames Go

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Charlatan

Wow... given the amount of money the CBC lost because of the strike last year, they are going to be hit hard by the Leafs not being in the playoffs.

Sure the Sens will pick up some of the slack, as will the Canuck... but I am sure they will not see the numbers they would if the Leafs were in the playoffs.

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Leto

- note I am a flag carrying member of the Flames nation.


I just don't understand the sentiment.

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You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey
And I never saw someone say that before
You held my hand and we walked home the long way
You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr

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leftwingx

I believe you. It's a unique perspective that can only be experienced from the alienated 92% of the rest of the country.

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Leto

But that's just it. I've lived elsewhere. In Vancouver, I was forcefed Canuckle-land. In Kingston, it was almost all Canadiens. I don't get where the alienation comes into play.


But even that aside, 92%? I know you've employed hyperbole here, but still.

and judging from the poll results, if they are to be believed, it looks like we are being alienated by the canucks (26% so far)

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You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey
And I never saw someone say that before
You held my hand and we walked home the long way
You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr

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leftwingx

Okay then. I didn't really want to open up that little Pandora's box, but I'm in an honest mood today.

Right, there are lots of folks from Toronto I know personally that live and work in Calgary. If you ask the majority of them, the general idea is they are living in a backwater red-necked town. It's probably short-term stay and it's probably for the money. So why don't they like Calgary? 20% because of Alberta's hype and 80% because it is *not* Toronto.

Leaf fans are hockey fans true, but still in love with the centre of the universe. The stories that leak out of Toronto about the fabled Blue and White is often painfully skewed and never seems to come with a big enough shovel.

Toronto has all the population, right? Well excellent. The Leafs will always get the 7:00 pm slot on HNIC unless they're on the West coast. The rest of the Canadian teams take turns on Saturday nights - the Flames probably only get 2/3 of their Saturday games aired. Is that fair? No, and it shouldn't be - if the Leafs get the majority of the viewership then they should get the best coverage. However, don't expect the rest of the Canadian hockey fans to be happy about it.

It's the arrogance that no one can stand, not so much the team. I loved watching the NYR's get their asses kicked season after season while they vainly tried to purchase a Stanley Cup. Same idea.


<sigh>

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Leto

thanks. finally somebody to lay it out so that we don't constantly wonder WTF?

so, in the spirit of hands across the borders, I will not ignore what you have attempted to state, and try honestly to respond to your points.

Yup you're right. I met more than one. They are embarrassing. On the other side of the coin, I meet ex-torontonians who live in Calgary or Vancouver, and they are rabid in their dismissal of Ontario in general. Almost a converted hate for some reason that I cannot fathom. At any rate, there are plenty of towns big and small closer to toronto which can fit the bill for being a backwater, but there are also a lot of people from Calgary or Vancouver in the GTA for the Money, and cannot stand the hype of Ontario, and cannot stand that Toronto is *not* Vancouver. I hear it all the time: too hot, to spread out, too polluted, not enough mountains, no snow, too much snow.

I do know how I feel about being in Canada though. While on a vacation out west, I spent time in Seattle and area. When I returned to BC, I really felt that sense of relief that I had returned home.


It's perspective. If you like where you live, then what of it? It's a shame that it has to be dragged through the mud by a skewed media.


heh. can't blame fans for being "homers" what else have we gotten lately? In my defence, i have never jumped off the bandwagon. I have been resolute in my support of the team, but suffer the angst of inadequacy. I have not been to a game since the team moved to the ACC. First, I am upset at the loss of MLG, and secondly, I am not rich enough to attend a game. I enjoy my 8 year old's ball hockey games immensely more.


I agree. I don't expect anybody to be happy if their teams suffer in coverage. I was under the impression that coverage was regional. Like I said, while living in Vancouver (admittedly 1980, 1984, timeframe) If I wanted to watch the Leafs, I had to tune in at 5 PM, otherwise it was all Canucks. All the time. For which I was grateful. I love those Canuckleheads...

But I had no idea that other teams were taking a hit so that the mediocre Leafs could be aired. How could I know, unless somebody speaks up (like you)?

you say arrogance. well, again, I don't get it. (see arguments above for homerism) and part of it may be assumptions that we all get the same treatment from the media for broadcasting games.

I think that the award for arrogance should go to the Sens.

However, I see that you took umbrage to my little quip about the founding of HNIC. (*sigh*).

While I meant it in the light hearted manner of the tone of my previous (booster-ish) post, I put that there, because that actually is the reason that HNIC was started. NOT that that is any reason for it to continue that way ...

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You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey
And I never saw someone say that before
You held my hand and we walked home the long way
You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr

http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Leto_Atreides_I

Sticky

Toronto has the population? Yes, if you compare them to any single other city in the country. If, however, you compare them to the rest of the contry in Total then: Rest Of Country > Toronto.

The CBC is a service that our governemnt provides to us. They spend taxpayer dollars. Because they are not running it for-profit (whihc maybe they should) then they have a responsibility to show programming that is appealing to all Canadians.

You would therefore expect, at the least, to see some sort of proportianl representation on HNIC.

But we don't see that. The early game is always a TO game if they are playing. You can only catch the Canadiens and Senators on HNIC if they are playing another Canadian Team (either TO, West Coast teams when playing on the West Coast) or when TO does not play on a Saturday night (how often does that happen).

I can understand this from TSN. From the CBC this sucks.

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percy

Ha the Leafs. Good on them for being arrogant pompous babies.

We don't need speed, we don't need skill, we don't finesse. We need rough and tumble old fashion hockey.----which is why this will be the first of many years the Leafs don't get into the playoffs unless they jump into the 21th century.

Bye bye Quinn. Bye bye Furgeson. Bye bye half the team if they are serious about winning or at least playing above the caliber of a jr.B team. Yeesh I know this stuff, and I'm a chick.