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www.letyourcompassguideyou.com

Wow... great episode.

I agree that they are zealots for whatever they are doing; the websites seem to hint as that much as well.

I also agree that what we've seen at the camp is *not* what they really are... the makeup and Walt's hint are bang on.


Michael is one fucked up dude. I would hope they could bring him around but, he killed Analucia and Libby so I don't think there is any reforming him...

I predict he dies in the season finale. But he will die in a way that sort of redeems him...

Completely agree Charlatan, great episode.

I dont think I could kill someone let alone two people, but if someone had one of my daughters I would do some vile things to get them back. When Michael was crying and Ms. Clue said, "just one other thing" and Michael said, "anything, I just want my boy." I could see being father, how I could relate to him.

I have to agree that he probably dies, but I bet Sayid follows them and opens a can of whoop ass.

So....who here thinks the sailboat is the guy that was in the hatch. I can't remember his name, but the dude that saw jack at the stadium. If I remember correctly...he did mention sailing around the world at one point. Did i imagine that?

What say you TFPers?

I think the sailboat is the coolest twist so far... it was sort of out of left field for me.

It's certainly possible that Desmond is in the sailboat.


Who thinks the sailboat is just another test by the Others?

(lurkette and I just caught up on the whole show from the pilot on over the last few weeks. We're ready to be weekly suckers just like the rest of the world now.)

Didn't Desmond say his sailboat was wrecked? Maybe he lied, and the button was all that a was keeping him there... But if so, why come back and save the castaways? He needs them to keep pushing the button. And why take a month to come back?

This episode did a lot to explain Michael's motivation over the last couple episodes. Sayid's right: he's compromised, but after #20, I suspected brainwashing. All that happened is garden-variety extortion.

Also, what about this vaccine? Shooting a load of it was the first thing we saw Desmond do in the Season 2 opener. Is it really a vaccine? Is it some sort of Dharma Initiative Mind Control Juice?

Incidentally, I read yesterday that in the coming season they're not going to do reruns and clip shows. Like with 24, every episode will be a new one--and during the winter rerun period, Lost will go off the air.

We also saw them give Claire the vaccine in the episode where she flashes back to when they abducted her. They gave her the vaccine to keep the baby safe. It's one of the reasons she went back to the medical hatch.

If we are to follow the suggestions on the websites, it seems there was an outbreak of some sort.

Personally I think it is either some sort of "mind control" thing or just another test (like the buttons) to keep people doing things so they can be studied while doing them. I doubt it is a vaccine or the survivors would be showing signs by now (I say this because Desmond seems genuinely surprised that they aren't sick yet).


As for the hiatus vs. reruns... I think we are going to see more of this sort of thing in the future. Either shows will run in the fall and again in the spring with a hiatus rather than a spate of reruns OR they will run in their entirety much in the way that "24" or the reality shows do.


By the way, welcome to the club Ratbastid and Lurkette!

Am I the only who thought Miss Cleo when I heard Miss Clue?

Michael asked Miss Cleo what he should tell them and Miss Cleo sayd, "Make up a story, it doesn't matter, they'll be so angry they'll believe anything" or something to that effect. It seems as if the other's KNEW that Michael would have to kill and blame it on Henry.

I'd expect Sayid to die int he finale, it just seems like if he was going to be important he would have played a more important role in the development so far.

Finally, does it irk anyone else how secretive everyone is? They do all these crazy things, (new hatch, medical complex, meet the Others) and either don't tell anyone or only a relative few...this is really starting to bother me because if I were on a a deserted island with black ghosts and OTHERS and hatches and buttons i'd sure as hell try and figure out what was going on...great series though.

Yes, that's what Ethan said. That, of course, followed by several weeks of drugged complacency under Ethan's loving care. I'm not convinced there's any infection to be vaccinated against. Although, of course, there is whatever Rousseau's team came down with.

You think that's all the button is? For sure, the orientation tape at the Dharma observation post seemed to imply that. I'll tell you this, though: on this island, I'm tending to trust Echo's dreams more than almost anything else. Echo's dream says the button is Important Work.

Thanks!

Henry's commentary on that from the armory was brilliant. "Boy, you guys really have trust issues..."

Seriously, though, it started innocently enough--Jack kept the existence of the briefcase full of guns a secret because it might get out of hand if people knew about them (he was thinking mainly of Sawyer, I think, but he also didn't much trust Kate at the time). Then Locke kept the hatch a secret, because he didn't know what he was dealing with and wanted to know more before he told anybody. Then they justified keeping secrets because they didn't want to cause a scare or get people's hopes up...

One way or another, there's this "in the loop" thing. It's been referred to a few times. Remember Arszt? The exploding science teacher? He had a great rant about how "there are over 40 of us! How come you eight or twelve are so important?" Hurley bugged Jack about it just recently too--"You know, if you kept me in the loop about this sort of stuff, I could be way more helpful." "There's no loop." "Oh, there's a loop."

I think the Others are the "good people" on the island and the main characters are bad. That is why they are so secretive. What kind of good person breaks into a bank to steal a small airplane ? What kind of good person kills or maims people for your wife's mafia dad ? What kind of good person lies to an australian outback outfit ?

But hey, no one would watch a tv show about good people.

Jonathan

Ooh, ooh.... And how do The Others know Sawyer's real name? Only Locke (and presumably Hurley) know that!

At the end of the last episode, Locke walks the other way while they are having the funeral. I wonder where he is going?

Well if we are working under the assumption that the Others had something to do with making Flt 815 crash; then you can assume that they have access to the flight manifest.

I am working under the assumption that the The Others had everything to do with the flight "crashing" on the island.

As for who is good and who is evil... I still hold that the survivors are good people who have done bad things. Part of what is being sought out by the Others is whether or not they can be redeemed (this is supported by Henry's words to Locke and Analucia just before he escaped that Locke was one of the good ones while Analucia was not).

Well, Michael is definitely one of the bad ones now. And it's not that he was willing to kill to save his child... I see that as a morally justifiable act, given propagation of the species, however... it's the fact that he was willing to play the fool so easily by killing people in the service of the Others, who he has no reason to trust, and betray his friends who he can trust and who want to help him get his son back. That makes him a bad, bad man.

I loved Sayid's line, "his actions are not those of a man who is telling the truth." Is the truth a redeeming factor? Sayid does bad things all the time, but he always does them in the name of Truth... so where does that leave him?

So, uh, anyone been able to do anything interesting/useful with the compass? That thing's got me pretty stumped. Whatever trick it is you're suppoed to find, I'm not finding. Any help ro clues to be had?

I was wondering about the compass we see Michael using... if there is the kind of electromagnetic activity on the island that we think there is (enough to pull Eko's crucifix away from his chest) then how would a compass work? It should be spinning or at best, pointing in the wrong direction.

Interesting take Robbdn... I too noticed that line by Sayeed by thought it was more a reference to his ability to determine truth through torture. A good torturer need to recognize truth vs. lie to be able to do his job well.

Frossbyte, if you are talking about the http://www.letyourcompassguideyou.com/ compass :

Spoiler: Hover your mouse down and right from the "E", suddenly a bunch of coordinates will be revealed. Click on the 108 and a little window that resembles the hatch console will pop up and ask if you are one of the good ones. Type "y" and you will be taken to a very real looking index page. Most of the directories will get you a "forbidden" message, but there are a couple that are "open", one that leads to the Hanso website, one that leads to a email with a secret message, and another that leads to a bunch of documents about a deal with Chrysler and the Hanso foundation. Frankly at this point I lost (no pun intended) interest, because I have no interest in knocking myself out deciphering clues about a TV show, reminds me too much of homework back in the day. So there may be more buried within that I missed.

So long as the magnetic fields were consistent, one could still use a compass to guide you, but you would simply have to realize that a North reading on your compass relates to some other direction.

I agree with this, I think it is merely being used to advance the plot and give the survivors a chance against the Others plot.


I don't mean to threadjack, but you really think its morally acceptable to kill someone simply if that means that your genes get passed along? that is very disturbing...

The others do seem pretty benevelong. For example when Michael spit in Zeke's face, event hough Zeke could have beat the livign hell out him, he told michael that he was probably justified but not to do it again, i'm pretty sure the "others" if not all good, are at least well-intentioned.

I don't think however, that this means that teh survivors are bad. Son, for example, didn't do anything wrong (unless she snookered with the Japanese Lex Luthor, but I don't think that happened) or Locke or Kate or Jack or Michael or Hurley, i don't think any of those people, and they are all pretty major characters have done anything that is 100% clearly wrong...there is a gray area with Kate, and the others didn't really do anything wrong at all.

Anyways, I think Michael should have used his position to gain more information when he was at the camp. he should have withheld information and done quid pro quo to get some more info, and then done the same thing in order to get the release of his son. I'm looking forward to next thursday (so i can watch it online) but my bold my prediction is that one of the Others (hopefully Alex, we need an infusion of hotties now that Shannon's gone) defects and joins the survivors. This would allow plot advancement where she can share all the information she knows, but wouldn't give everything away because she's young, and not one of he original others.

Kate killed her father, robbed a bank and her irresponsible actions resulted in the death of the one man she really loved.

As for what the other survivors did or didn't do, we don't really know their complete back stories yet. I am fairly certain that we are going to see some bad choices and actions as we get more of their respective stories.

The only real anomoly so far is Hurley but he is likely there because he played the numbers and thereby has a connection to it all.

As I said somewhere above, most of the "bad" things these people have done have been tempered by the fact that they are essentially good people. They are potentially redeemable.

Early on, Sayid demonstrated that the compass was wrong on this island.

He was her step-father, and he was beating her mother, and there were hints of sexual assault against Kate herself. Not that that justifies murder, but again: grey area.

Yep. It's a testement to the quality of the writing on the show that the characters are so rich and their motivations are so complex. The only anomaly I can think of is Sawyer, who is, as far as I can tell, an unmitigated jerk.

Yeah, that's what I was referring to as well, because I was hoping to start discourse about whether or not his devotion to truth justified his acts. What did you think I was talking about? It sounds interesting. :)

whoops wrong thread

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Ahhh but that is just it... he wasn't her step-father, he was her biological father. That's the reason she gave for killing him. She couldn't bear that he was part of her.

Yes he was abusing her mother, but according to her (not neccesarily a reliable source) he never touched her.

And I still agree, Kate, like the rest of the survivors have done bad things but are mostly in that morally grey area...

This was my point. And Kate was clearly lying because we saw that he was putting the moves on her.

Oh yeah. Forgot that.

I'm not so sure that it's the same thing; What ever Desmond was injecting himself with was gold colored, not white like this new "vaccine"

http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Csc..._Injection.jpg

Could just be a different-colored bottle... Or could be a continuity error (though God knows they've been WAY rigorous about continuity so far). Still... Interesting.

The website minigames are making me very very frustrated. I know what I'm supposed to do and I know I'm doing it right and it keeps saying I'm using the wrong password, when I've watched other people type the same password in and get the right result.

I know I can look elsewhere and see what it says, but I'd like to see it myself. I don't think that's so much to ask.

Anyway, here's to hoping the finale is everything I hope it can be. I enjoyed the last episode quite a lot.

I'm thinking this entire thing is an experiment in controlling and predicting human behavior without the knowledge of the subject, and that the season cliff hanger will be some staff swinging by to bring about the next stage of the experiment in some nonobvious fashion.

The two hour season finale only answered few of our questions and provided us with a bigger list of questions.

Just Desmond's backstory, which was extremly important because we now know that the button was important and a massive electromagnetic explosion occured on the island.

Michael is a massive massive tool. If I were Sawyer or Kate or John or Hurley, I would have shot Michael in the head.

Where are the others taking Jack, Sawyer and Kate? Henry Gale seems to be the leader of the others.

RIP Locke, and Ekko.

You really think Locke and Ekko are dead? They seemed to have as much a chance of surviving as Charlie did... and he seems fine. A little *too* fine actually. Why was he so unconcerned about locke and ekko's well-being?

So the dudes in the snow and Desmond's girl at the end... this either implies that they are still in the real world (as opposed to some place like purgatory) or at the very least that the place where the castaways are affects the real world.

I loved how they came across the end of the pneumatic tube with the notebooks. It wasn't a surprise that the notebooks weren't actually being tracked, but it was a wonderful way to show us.

I liked it a lot, overall. Didn't answer anything really, but it at least progressed well.

Although I was overall rather unimpressed with the actual answers we got vs what we as the audience were told we were going to get, I was happy with the explanation for taking the plane down.

When we learned that this episode was going tell us "who brought the plane down" I was really, really hoping they would come up with at least a relatively plausible story as to how it happened - and fit it in with how it actually looked.

Having the tail ripped off by a giant magnetic field is pretty out there especially when it could have just taken down the plane as a whole, but hey - it is Lost...

Anyone here an expert on the affects of unusually intense electromagnetic fields on an airbus? I know I'm not.

Another perfect season finale. I applauded. Lost is just so good at weaving its mystery! I can't wait until the next season.

Also, Desmond David Hume. How quaint.

Well, it was what it was. Can't say I'm amazed. Can't say I'm wow'd. I was entertained, but I really thought it could've been a lot better. And, honestly, after calling Michael out, why did they follow him? "You're setting us up! You killed our friends! But we're going to follow you anyway."

I feel like I missed something.

Jack said he has a "plan" not sure if that involved getting caught, not to mention Sayid, Jin, and Sun are still around. When the explosion went off was Sayid back on the boat? It will be interesting to see what exactly happened to the hatch.

I saw that next season they are only showing 9 episodes in the fall and the remaining 15 in 2007.

How come nobody has mentioned the very last tag with Penny being called by the guys at the ice station? I know she told Desmond that she had lots of money and could find him anywhere, but what does that have to do with the two electromagnetic bursts that they were tracking?

And didn't it sound like the guys at the ice station were speaking Russian, French, Spanish, and English all mixed together? At first, I thought it was a commercial....

Okay First what up with the monster thing I hope that we would have a answer for that. Locke and Eko at first I said that there is no way that they are dead. They are two of the most interesting characters. Then I remembered how they killed off Shannon, whom a lot of people thought along with Kate was the hottest chick on the island. Im curious how Kelvin (aka Mr. Krabbs) went from being Sayid's Army Officer to working for Hanso. In case none of you caught the latest website www.hansocareers.com.

Notice when the hatch did that thing at the end, the others acted if they didnt know what was going on? They didnt tell us for sure who exactly the others were.

I'm not sure they acted like they did't know what what happening. I think they were reacting like anyone who would be overwhelmed by the blast.

Henry Gale certainly looked like he knew what was happening.



These last few episodes have really moved us along. I will be very interested to see where they take this next season.

Did anyone notice the twins that were with the Others? Was it just me or did one of the twins have grey hair while the other didn't. I am thinking that rather than them being twins the younger on is a clone.

Yeah, he was back on the boat.

The ending to the Michael/Walt saga was pretty damn lame. What about Walt's voodoo powers? How is it the 'good' guys let Michael, who shot two people and led 4 others into a trap, get a boat and, presumably, his freedom?

Oh well...

I really, really enjoyed the look on Desmond's face when he told John he crashed the plane, brutha. :)

Speaking of Des..it's a shame they brought him and Clancy Brown back, just to kill 'em off again.


Did anybody hear all the audio 'weirdness' going on? At first, I thought it was just my local affiliate (It was 'severe thunderstorm' alert night on KSPR), but I've seen a couple of other fellows mention the same thing. It kind of reminded me of the old film projector movies they used to show us in high school. It happened a couple of times, but the only one I can recall specifically was when Charlie and Claire were talking on the beach near the end.

Michaels not going to leave, thats why he had that long lingering look with Jack. He is going to try and save them to redeem himself somewhat. If he was just going to leave he would have felt to guilty to look them in the eyes.

Did anyone see Jimmy Kimmel Live last night after the finale? They had the real head of the Hanso Foundation on. They kept saying that it was areal Not For Profet Org that the writers of Lost decided to write into the show, but they were not affiliated with it. And that the orangatang was really 105? what did you guys think of this?

It was a VERY interesting episode. We got the door closed on a LOT of mysteries--while opening plenty of new questions.

Answers we got:
1) The button DOES SOMETHING, ALL RIGHT! Holy shit! Locke was WRONG!
2) We know now why the plane crashed! Nothing coincidental about it!
3) What one snowman said to the other snowman.

Questions that got opened:
1) Is Henry Gale "Him"?
2) Where's Michael headed? Is he really chugging off to freedom, or will he redeem himself somehow? Or is he headed back to the beach camp? Or looping around to catch the Others by surprise?
3) "We're the good guys!"... You know, I think they might just be!
4) What happened in the Hatch? Are Locke, Eko and Desmond OK?
5) What's Kelvin's story? How'd he get to the Island?
6) Why did the blacklight come on when Locke was under the blast door? Kelvin (and his predecessor) must have known about the blacklight, yet their faked lockdowns didn't trigger it, and they painted the doormap without it, but knew that the blacklight would make it visible.
7) What's up with the "door" hatch in Yurtville? Is it a fake? Or is it sealed off? Why did the Others have it under armed guard?
8) What's up with the Russians and with Penny Widmore? Is she looking for the island too?

Also--Widmore has come up before. There is a theory that Old Man Widmore's company built the hatches. According to one of the Lost Experience sites, Widmore Labs supplies all the food for the Dharma Initiative. Sun's preganacy test was made by them. See http://www.widmorelaboratories.com.

EDIT! CORRECTION--those guys in the snow were speaking Portugese, not Russian!

2) Well... nothing coincidental is stretching it.

It was crashed by the same guy that Jack had run into years before on a different continent. Not to mention the fact that so many people survived, when the reality of the situation is that had an electromagnetic field ripped the plane apart in the air, it certainly would have accelerated the plane during it's descent, smashing it into the ground/water even harder than it would have been...


7) I assume that they figured Michael would either not be clever enough not to bring others back with them or thought that he wouldn't live up to his word, and used the hatch doors as a decoy, making him believe that Walt was in there...

Quick question, though - wasn't the guy (Kelvin) in the hatch the same guy who was on the bus that had a picture of Kate - presumably her father? The guy who was telling Sayid what to do? Or am I crazy?

He was on the bus and he made Sayid torture that fellow, but he wasn't Kate's father...was he? Wasn't Kate's dad the guy in the army recruitment office from the middle of season 1? That wasn't Kelvin...was it?

How is it the electromagnetic discharge/pulse/whatever was strong enough to pull a plane from the sky, but not...I don't know..seriously screw up any of the electrical stuff in the hatch?

Good call on that black light, ratbastid. I didn't even wonder why it came on for Locke, but not for Kelvin. :hmm:

I don't think Michael is coming back. He's got what he wants and he never really struck me as a 'to the end' sort of fellow. Even if he did come back what could he possibly do? Even if he did manage to save them all, the only thing waiting for him is a severe beating with some stiff bamboo. I think the 'others' have seriously under estimated Hugo.... Shouldn't have let him walk. The big guy is going to save the day.

Incidentally--the guy speaking Portugese at the end, the one on the phone with Penny, may have been played by Matthew Fox. Pause <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYIvbXSY9oc&search=LOST%20Season%202">this youtube video</a> at :35. Certainly bears a striking resemblance to Jack, doesn't he?

Yeah... I guess I meant "nothing random about it". The whole show is based on coincidence.

Hey Ratbastid... some thoughts:

1) Is Henry Gale "Him"? I think so.

2) Where's Michael headed? Is he really chugging off to freedom, or will he redeem himself somehow? Or is he headed back to the beach camp? Or looping around to catch the Others by surprise? I don't think they are going to leave for good. Michael is a good person, who has done some very bad things. He will attempt to redeem himself. Besides, I don't think they can get rid of Walt and his voodoo without explaining things.

3) "We're the good guys!"... You know, I think they might just be! I am vacilating on this.

4) What happened in the Hatch? Are Locke, Eko and Desmond OK? I predict that they are safe. Locke and Eko are two of the most interesting characters on the show. I think the blast doors will have dropped and protected them from the majority of the damage. As for Desmond, I would like to see him survive and given the appearence of Pen at the end of the episode, I have a feeling he will (besides, I think his flashbacks will give us more of Libby's back story. There are still a ton of unanswered questions where she is concerned.)

5) What's Kelvin's story? How'd he get to the Island? I am not convinced he is dead. That looked staged and Desmond didn't really examine him all that well. I predict he will be found with the Others in their camp. At the very least we will get more of him in his flashbacks.

6) Why did the blacklight come on when Locke was under the blast door? Kelvin (and his predecessor) must have known about the blacklight, yet their faked lockdowns didn't trigger it, and they painted the doormap without it, but knew that the blacklight would make it visible. I don't think the door closed enough for the black light to come on. The lights didn't come on until the door was almost completely closed. I think they made the map as they did because they knew they were being observed and didn't want the map to be seen on the camera.


7) What's up with the "door" hatch in Yurtville? Is it a fake? Or is it sealed off? Why did the Others have it under armed guard? The whole places was a staged set. It was there to make an impression on Michael. It might be a collapsed hatch but most likely it is just doors that go to nowhere. The guards were there to add to the image they were feeding Michael.

8) What's up with the Russians and with Penny Widmore? Is she looking for the island too? Interesting, I had assumed she was looking for Desmond. But she might be looking for the Island alone. She may know something of what they are doing and is trying to locate them for her own nefarious reasons...

Interesting that it was portuguese. An odd nationality to choose. I will have to think about that... they are either Portuguese or Brazillian.

I think that there is a good chance we might never see Micheal, Locke, and Eko again. Season three and the back story lines could revolve around the others. Just like this season a set of new characteres were introduced, remeber that it was this season that we learned about Eko, Ana Lucia, Libby, and Bernard.

I think Locke, Ekko, and (maybe Desmond) are still alive for a practical reason. Other than the 4 left with the Others, they were the strongest characters with the most development. Now that the cast is split into two parts, who cares about seeing what happens to Bernard, Rose, Claire, Charlie, et al? Even if Sayid, Jin, and Sun rejoin them, I don't see them as capable of holding much viewer interest.

I was generally impressed with last nights episode, and I've had fun rambling around the internet reading up on everyones theories about what has happened and will happen in Lost.

A few pointers.

I don't think it matters what language the guys in the boat/plane thing at the end of the show were speaking.

I heard on another site that Michael and Walt only make guest appearances on Lost next season. That still could be enough to wrap up at least Michaels character.

Desmond has only served the function of information giver. He can never stay around too long because all he does is give info to us. So he comes in and goes out randomly, giving information when the viewers need it. I predict Desmond is either dead or comatose and only comes out once more to give a bit more info.

I don't feel Eko and Locke are dead. They're too central.

I hated the ending bit with junkie/LOTR guy and preggo Aussie chick. That was lame.

I'll be glued to LOST next season too. I'm stoked for season three, even though I will find the stupid 7 episodes then long break then more episodes thing VERY annoying.

Maybe someone can correct me / confirm this but, I don't know that Michael has been connected to anyone else. I mean everyone seems to have a previous connection that they may or may not be aware of (Jacks Dad / Sawyer, Libby / Desmond etc.)

I suspect if we see him it could be in flashbacks.

i wanna know wat the hell the foot means!!!
good episode though, but it will be a long time between drinks now

Right, so almost a week late, I finally got to see the finale.

I predict Michael will be back and have a chance to redeem himself. It's a main theme of the show after all, Jack and Co. need to be rescued (see below), and Walt's "powers" have yet to be fully explored.

I also believe that Ecko, Locke and Desmond are not dead. You can't just introduce Des' girl as a powerful new player without having him around in some capacity. But what capacity will that be? It could be something as mundane as a coma, but I'm betting on something more sensational; like teleportation or true purgatory. Maybe that midget from Twin Peaks will show up to sort things out.

My bet (hope) for season three, is that we'll also see more off-island activity as we follow Pen and her crew around. Plus, the Hanso Foundation shenanigans that've been uncovered through the websites will be folded into the plot.

As for Jack and Co., I have faith that they have a kick-ass plan that includes being captured. The scene in the forest where Michael's sins are exposed, and Jack says he has a plan but we don't get to hear it because of the editing, was a classic Scooby-Doo wind-up. I interpreted those fateful looks between the castaways at the end, to be full steely resolve, so I can't wait to see how it unfolds.

It's going to be a great opener. Think Luke Skywalker and Han Solo's rescue from the begining of Return of the Jedi. (Michael = Lando Calrissian?)

One more thought: Henry Gale is definitly this season's "Him" and the leader of the Others on the Island. But there's always someone higher, and we'll learn more about him/her/it/them over the course of next season while the off-island world takes shape.

Hell, Joopy, the 150 year old Oranguotang could be calling the shots. I doubt the Others are stricty a rogue operation cut off from the outside world. Of course there's always the possibility of a Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow scenario. That'd be cool too.

How much fun is this!

It's with great restraint I didn't read anything in this thread...I've only just found Lost...hubby bought the first season on DVD and I've watched half of the first season episodes, and I'm thoroughly addicted. I've never been addicted to a TV show before, and after I watch all the first season, the second one won't be out on DVD until October...aaaaaaaagh! Hopefully I can join season 3's thread ;)

Strictly speaking, you don't have to wait until October...

*cough*bittorrent*cough*

Actually, Len Cordova was the guy speaking Portugese, not Matthew Fox.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0502653/

Also, I was listening to a Podcast of the two writers of Lost being interviewed and they were discussing Season 3 is going to be more about the history of the island, the others and why they are on the island.

Also, on the Podcast, they told the interviewer not to think to much about the four toed statue because it is just on the island. And they suggest we have seen the smoke monster several times in season 2, but we are un-aware of it. Any clues?

But, I am going to continue to question why a statue is on the island, where the smoke monster has been and who is going to rescue Jack, Kate and Sawyer.

Okay, this correlation regarding the big 4-toed foot statue is strictly for entertainment value:

On last night's Family Guy episode, Peter tries to prevent Quagmire's wedding by bringing him a foot from the Statue of Liberty. This being a cartoon, it had only 4 toes! Later, Adam West comes apon the statue and falls to his knees, acting out Charleton Heston's finale from Planet of The Apes.

Coincidence???

So much to ponder. :lol:

I can only assume that the smoke monster is going to rescue Jack, Kate and Sawyer when it resurrects a long-forgotten race of 4-toed dwarves from the bowels of the earth.

I see no reason for this to be an outlandish assumption.

You forgot to add about the raging polar bears that actually speak perfect english and were not attacking the group in season 1, just playing "hide and seek" with the smoke monster. The polar bear was surprised and wanted to hug Sawyer, but instead was killed because of this mix up.

Which was eerily recalled in the accidental killing of Shannon, who just wanted some hot girl-on-girl action with Anna-Lucia! I love it!

Take a look at the code 7418880 (4x8x15x16x23x42=7418880) - I say that she's looking for the island alone.

http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Csc...ly_7418880.jpg

Lol, wow...

No, Kelvin Inman was not Kate's father.

Wayne Jansen, whom Kate killed, was her biological father.

Sam Austen, the guy in the army recruitment office, was Kate's step father.



Btw.; I stumbled across this photo as I was doing some Lost research:

http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Csc...ayid_On_TV.jpg
- Recognize the guy on TV? ;)

Here's a thing I just found. Get this:

- The car that hit Locke,
- The car that hit Michael,
- And the car Kate hit while escaping with Tom.... ALL THE SAME CAR.

<img src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5882/2583/1600/goldencar.jpg">

That means that either:

a) the filmmaker's didn't think we'd notice the same stunt car

or

b) it is the Hanso Foundation at work!

Yeah, I kind of think if it was B, we'd have had some more cinematic hinting about it. We saw the "quarantine" door lying on the hatch before it went wanging through the air, for instance. If we were intended to have this car's appearance be a hint, it'd have been better hinted at.

Still, it's kind of a great "oooo!" moment.

^^ That's pretty damn interesting!



Yet the attending nurse's watch shows 11:14 upon his arrival at the hospital. I don't know what to make of that ..unless it's only showing the date.

I thought Kate's doctor friend was not killed in the car accident, but when a police officer shot at the car and the bullet hit the doctor.

Yeah, it was the bullets that got Tom, not the glancing blow off the magic reappearing stunt car.

Thank you very much. :D

This was posted on Fark this morning. It's a timeline/map of the island/geographical character index...

Anyway, not sure if it'll help, but it certainly cleared up some of the more confused bits for me..

Yes, but it was the car that slowed them down in their escape, thereby allowing the fatal shots to be fired... no?

Well, sure. I was answering the, "I thought Tom got shot" comment above.