The bearded guy does look a bit like Hanso, just with a beard. Hard to tell. Remember, one of the things they are working on is slowing or halting the aging process.


I think you are right about Alex.



By the way, I am starting to thing this might be in the future.

Really? I totally missed that :crazy: What other projects were they working on?

Future? :hmm:

You guys are really observant. I read that guy's theory - it is impressive. I have to say that I'm hoping that the explanation for all this doesn't turn out to be some mystical or creepy sci-fi thing. Part of this show's appeal is trying to figure it all out, and if at the end the writers pull some trump card like "collective consciousness" or something, I think it'll be a big let down. All the weird coincidences are one thing - futuristic explanations that are utterly unpredictable = lame.

There is a website -- www.thehansofoundation.org -- that I can't get to work right now, but you can see most of it summarized on wikipedia, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanso_Foundation

Some of the projects they were working on include:

Life Extension
Electromagnetic Research
Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence
Mathematical Forecasting
Cryogenics Development
Juxtapositional Eugenics
Accelerated Remote Viewing
The Dharma Initiative


The idea that they are in the future comes from both the link to the Ultimate Lost Theory (a page or so back) where it is suggested that the survivors were frozen and then reawakened to repopulate the Earth (or something like that) as well as some comments made by the creators of the series. One of them mentioned, in passing, the people assume this is happening in 2004 (i.e. when the show started it's run) it could be happening at another time.

Alone that comment could mean anything, but when combined with the Ultimate Theory, it starts to have more meaning.

It is every time they are in the hatch. IN fact it was even when they were in the hatch on the other side of the island.

Sometimes it is subtle, but it did it even when they were in there grabbing guns to go look for Michael.

Really? I'll check it out and see if I can get some screenshots for you!

Does someone have a TIVO of the episode that they can scan frame by frame? Otherwise we may have to wait for the Season II DVD in August to check out Mondak's theory. I don't think VHS will be accurate enough to capture this sort of detail.

I'm curious. Has anyone noticed any parallels or nods to the old <i>The Prisoner</i> series? I'm not enough of a devotee to catch anything.

As for Mondak's observation about music in the hatch, I've also been wondering about the significane of the sound effect used to transition between present and past. It's sort of a white noise wooshing sound.

I watched it carefully yesterday and allthough I did detect som flickering on the screen from time to time it didn't seem to be images and allthough I looked for some I couldn't find any :(

No - it is the audio and not the video. It is pretty clear like a record slightly skippin or if a casette tape were chewed up.

Ahh, I see. They must have invented the same gold colored fluid that Desmond injects himself with too then.

Speaking of which. Some seem to think that the same drug was given to Sarah right before her operation..
http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Csc...h_Injected.jpg

Oh! I totally misunderstood you. Sorry heh. I'll have another look tonight then!

Now that was an intense epsiode. I thought Sawyer was going to be conned by Cassidy, but he did the switch-a-roo combo at the end and still had the 600 grand. Fantastic!

He was also quite clever with getting access with the guns just because Jack took the meds.

I also thought it was interesting how Hurley was talking to Sayad about the actual time of where they were getting the signal. Something interesting to think about...

Next week episode should be good since Sayad is going to be torturing one of the others and they are going to let the time end! WOo hoo, let's see what happens!

Yeah, I can't wait to see the clock strike zero. Might be interesting.

Wow, its really getting nuts in here. I just wanted to comment on the episode and there's a full page of theories. Anyway, i thought it was a great episode. Sawyer's the new sheriff in town. I wonder how long that will last. I dont think he wants that much responsibility. Although, it may be the beginning of the army that we were so anxiously awaiting to see this week. Next week is going to be awesome. Clock goes down to zero and who is being tortured. Im thinking they found out it was Charlie who faked the kidnapping of Sun.

Theories on what will happen when the clock gets to 0? I predict the hatch will shut down and/or implode and they won't be able to use it anymore... they've got the guns out, the food out, there's not much else of value down there...

I think the momentary exchange of power, but I don't think it'll rest for long in Sawyers lap. I think a crisis will come up like next week and Sawyer will have to admit that he cannot handle being in charge so he'll relinquish it over to Jack... or something like that.

On an island full of self loathing individuals, I think Sawyer may be the king of the self-loathing. He is one seriously fucked up individual.

I'm beginning to think this island is one big group therapy session... :lol:

This certainly puts a twist in power structure. I'd just like to know how Charlie, of all people, managed to track Locke without Locke discovering him.

I don't see how Sawyer is going to keep the supplies hidden from the group for that long. He's going to have to visit the cache at some point and Locke or Kate (or someone with tracking abilities) will discretly follow him.

book
 

A book they showed in the episode, i believe locke was looking at it was "an occurence at owl creek bridge"

I want to say this is by ambrose bierce but anyways it deals with "stream of consciousness"

The book goes something like this:

A man is being hanged for his crimes, the floor drops out, he falls and the rope breaks, he cant believe it and starts running into the forest. People are chasing him and hes running and running and running. He is free and he cant believe that he didnt die, he runs all the way back to his house to see his wife. The whole story is this long journey home from the place where he was supposed to be hung. The story ends with him hanging from the rope dead.

He lived hours and hours in his mind in the 2 seconds it took for him to drop from the beam and be hung.

His mind and the human mind can do this, think about a million things in a split second.

now dont quote me on exactly how this book goes, i havent read in 10 years but i remember a lot of it and basically the story.

Could this be a clue about the lost gang, could the plane have actually crashed and all of what has been goin on, is simply in someones mind ?

It could be, it could also be a red herring.

A) He was in a hurry, since he had no idea when the "posse" would show up.

B) One person trying to lug a big ass bag(s) of guns through the jungle could not possibly be that stealthy.




P.S. I guess everybody saw Kate's mom in the Sawyer flashback. I didn't realize it was her until the wife said something.

Wait. I missed it. When did Kates mom show up?

She was the waitress in the diner where Sawyer and his partner were meeting.

I never caught that. Brilliant!

What may happen when the clock hits 0 is that communication in the hatch is opened and they can hear what the others are saying to each other via radios. The looped message from the French women is just a distraction so people can only pick that signal up every 108 minutes.

oh man... i just caught last weeks episode... some crazy stuff... i dont think sawyer will stay in power that long,definently an interesting turn of events.


school blocked bittorrent, makes it hard to download the eps since i have class during the tv airing... ... ... anyone help with that? send a pm ;)

Spoiler: So the numbers finally came up. From the best I could tell, they were egyptian hieroglyphics. The first visible letter (which was in the 3rd space) looked most like a sideways "R". http://www.egyptologyonline.com/HG_r.gif

Second one (4th space) looked like an "A". http://www.egyptologyonline.com/HG_a.gif

And third one (5th space) was tricky, and could either be an "F" http://www.egyptologyonline.com/HG_f.gif or an "TCH/DJ". http://www.egyptologyonline.com/HG_j.gif

Also, the preview for the upcoming episode showed a third hatch, this time with the staff of mercury in the dharma symbol. Which brings it to a swan, an arrow, and the staff of mercury.

I don't have any theories or anything, just trying to sort some facts out.

You were pretty good at catching all those symbols.

Another intense episode, but we received more information about Sayid and his ways as a "torturer".

The hatch did not implode, the island did not explode, and no communication from the outside world and the crazy balloonist might be an other.

I like how Sayid concluded with Charlie about how everyone forgot the ways of how insane and ruthless the others can really be.

loved the episode, the number countdown freaked me out a bit also, another long week of waiting until the next episode.

Sweet frustration!

We get more of Sayeed's backstory (next to Eko, he is my favourite) and discover how he came to be a tourturer. Still plenty there to dig up.

My wife was marking her grade six classes papers while watching the episode. As the countdown flickered and the hieroglyphs appeared she looked into her lap and lo, she was just in the middle of marking some hieroglyphs from a school project she assigned. The syncronicity wierded her out.

When it reached zero, did anyone else hear the whine of machinery starting up and then shut off when Locke pressed enter?

The final scene with Sayeed and Charlie... Sayeed knows what Charlie did.

I most definitely did. So, at least we kind of know the countdown isn't just busy work. It was obviously fixing to do something, right?

Sayid, is perhaps my favorite character on the show. Locke is interesting, Hurley is funny and Sawyer quite a guy, but Sayid....just such a wonderful character.

What a great way to end the episode on the beach.
"So, tell me Charlie....have you forgotten?"

Here's a screenshot of those symbols. Click it to make it larger.
http://img35.imagevenue.com/loc179/th_52398_symbols.jpg

You can almost make out the final symbol. Maybe someone with better photoshop skills than I can take a look at it.

that guy is a "other" that evil look on his face when jack took sayid away just gave it away...i want sayid to go back and find out some info

According to my the TV listings, next week they are rerunning the 2-hour Pilot episode, 2 weeks until the next new episode.

When Sayid asked Charlie "Have you forgotten", what is his actual meaning behind those words?

I assumed this was in reference to Charlie’s own capture when he went after Clair when she was abducted by the traitor-in-their-midst - and his subsequent hanging and close-call resuscitation.

Explain how you connected Sayid's and Charlies conversation with Sayid knowing what Charlie did?

just now caught it... i really gotta figure out a faster way to get the episodes...

good stuff... i immediatly recognized the symbols as egyptian... when I was a kid I was really into egypt stuff...

It's more of a gut feeling. It's just the way that Sayid asked the question and the fact that Sayid is a very observant man. Of course, Sayid may have meant something else entirely and the question was put there by the writers to make Charlie reflect (more intensely) on what he did to Sun.

Got this from another forum I visit ( which was taken from yet another forum) and is quite interesting....


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ieroglyphs.jpg


Found this on the fark.com thread, of all places. They're discussing what the hieroglyphics mean.

Quote:
"caus." means causative, ie a commanding word. hence the translation is "Die" as in "die, you bastard".

The person who posted this claims to have scanned it out of her Middle Egyptian dictionary, and further evidence appears to indicate that this is indeed the case.

Also, the 'alien' symbol we saw means "young child".



From the same site:
Also, I realized something during the episode but forgot to mention at the end: Dorothy's last name in "The Wizard of Oz" is Gale, and her uncle's name is Henry. Not only that, but Dorothy attempted to escape Oz by balloon.

can't seem to get the pic to post.

Anyway, interesting stuff

I can't believe I still watch this show. Almost every time I get pissed off with the amount of questions it raising while answering very few.

I thought tonight's episode was good, gave a little bit of insight, but nothing groundbreaking. The Others either are.. or believe they will be.. infected (virus from one of the Dharma compounds?), and are using some vaccine that seems to be in short supply. This was the same stuff Desmond injected himself with when he woke up, I assume.

I dunno, lots of possibilities, no real direct clue. Lost does this to me almost every week.. and there's no end in sight.

I actually really liked this episode.

I liked how the flashback of the episode was back to a time on the island, instead of back to something before the crash. A fresh idea there. And they made good use of Claire's amnesia... instead of just writing it off, they came back and did something interesting with it.

And I thought the theatrical materials/clothing was a great twist. So being the "others" is all just an act? Didn't see that coming. At first I assumed they exiled themselves from the compound (who knows why), forcing them to live in the jungle, which would explain their appearance. But now we see they're dressing themselves up like that intentionally... so were they really forced to leave that facility? Or did they leave it behind for it to be found?

And the guy that Ethan was talking to outside of Claire's room: was that Zeke sans beard?

My biggest dislike was the very end, with the guy they have imprisoned in the hatch pissing Locke off. It made no sense. What he said to Locke didn't apply to anything, then Locke overreacts.... I didn't follow it.

I liked this episode a lot, except for the ending where the prisoner is trying to spur dissension by appealing Locke's ego. This is the sort of thing Lock is too smart for, and personally, a power struggle for leadership storyline is a dull one for me.

Has anyone read the Brothers Karamozof? How could you apply its themes to the show and its characters?

Also, did anyone get a screencap of the drug label as it was being pulled out of the fridge?

I thought this was one of the best episodes of the season.

I agree that the theatrical costumes was a good twist. And yes, that was Zeke sans beard that Ethan was talking to.

However, I don't understand what was wrong with Claire in the flashback. Was she drugged or something to not remember that she had been kidnapped? And why was she so willing so just hang around without putting up any kind of fight - and then why was she willing to give up her child? I know she wanted to put the baby up for adoption in Los Angeles, but I don't think that's a strong enough reason to give her baby up to the people who kidnapped her.

I think it's safe to assume that the girl who helped Claire escape is Rousseau's daughter. That will be an interesting storyline to explore. After the episode where John, Jack and Sawyer were looking for Michael -- and Kate was being held captive by the Others -- someone mentioned that when Zeke said "Alex" they might be referring to Rousseau's daughter. Maybe now that can be explored a little more.

I wasn't sure what to make of that either. I agree that Locke is too smart to be lead along, as the last poster pointed out. I thought then that maybe Locke was angry because he realized what the prisoner was trying to do and that confirmed that he was an Other. But then, in the preview for next week's episode, we see that Locke conspires with Anna-Lucia to get the prisoner out of the hatch. So now I'm not sure what to make of it...

-Tamerlain

Yea, I think it's pretty clear that Claire was drugged. Explains why she was so.... (word escaping me....) willing to do what she was told. I guess it also explains why she had no memory of any of it.

I agree that this was one of the best episodes of the season so far.

The whole Locke thing at the end... I now no longer doubt that Gale is an Other (also that his name is the same as the guy from the Wizard of OZ). He was playing with Locke.

I am puzzled by Locke's reaction as well.

1) This the first crack in his heretofore zen exterior.
2) He knows the door is thin and that Gale will hear his outburst. He is playing Gale by giving Gale what he expects to hear. Locke is too clever to fall for those types of tricks again (i.e. his Father).


I like the latter.

Good call on #2 Charlatan.

I missed the episode where they captured Gale, but assumed he was an Other based on his clothing. It looks as artificially broken down as the costume found by Kate in the locker.

a great episode this week, i think they are starting to answer alot of questions, a bit of a twist with the others clothing in the hatch tho, they must still use that hatch often then?
makes me think demond is with them now for some reason, he cant have just dissapeared..

Great episode. Raises more questions, than answers.
The Others have to have a way off the island. They have to replenish supplies from some where.
Can you tell me that the "leader" of the Others keeps a huge quantity of spirit gum around? Ha! :D

Also, I wonder who the real leader of the Others is, if it isn't Fakebeard.

Double also-- Who else was turning the volume down just about every time Clare was screaming? That girl is starting to annoy me.

Why did Mr Eko cut off part of his beard after telling Gale of his story?

My assumption was that he had two little clumps of hair that represented the two men he killed.

Maybe he's going to play some mind games of his own...Let him go and follow him to where ever he goes.

Screen shot of the drug Ethan injected into Claire....common consensus seems to be RX-1 is simply a prenatal vitamin. I browsed around on a few medical sites and it seems to be "designed to reduce gastric upset by releasing iron over an extended period of time." I should mention that that little bit there refers to pills taken by the mother. I couldn't find anything concerning babies still in the womb.

I wish I could make out more...Kind of looks like "CND" or "GND" after rx-1, but I can't be sure....again, maybe someone with some photoshopping skills can make it clearer...

CLICK ON ME...
http://img44.imagevenue.com/loc15/th...Drugs_copy.jpg

Yeah, perhaps that's it. Whatever happens, it will be interesting.

I was surprised she was getting injections directly into her womb. I admit that I don't know too much about prenatal care, but it does strike me as odd that an injection would be given right into the womb.

-Tamerlain

Perhaps iron and magnetism have something to do with it... The iron might allow for combat with the theorized nanoprobes or it might make the child more suseptable to mind control (via some as yet unexplained electromagnetic thingy).

Not sure.

i loved this episode

so the others may in fact be living the "good life" on the island. its a good twist that they were dresed up...its like they are experimenting on the losties

i wonder if we have seen "mr. firendly" without the beard before

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9...gale1fn2qf.jpg
this is a interesting pic it seems gale was with the doctors :eek:

That's amazing Blar, and he looks hot in that little 'off the shoulder' number too. ;)

wow Blar that is a good observation. I swear everyone in this thread has eyes sharper than an eagle. With all the clues we may break down the entire season before the writers even finish the scripts :).

i finally downloaded last week's episode and viewed it. So now the "others" aren't really just grimy looking people...its all make up. What if dharma organization owned Oceanic Air....

Also, at the end of last week's episode i thought they were going to show Gale's face after he heard Locke throw all the dishes on the floor....like a little smirk to show that its all part of his plan

Blar... that's cool.

That would have been too much of a tip off. Better to leave it somewhat ambiguous.

I'm getting really frustrated by the fact that when they venture into the jungle and find something, they come back and don't tell anyone about it. If they do tell someone, it's not until the story absolutely needs it.

Spoiler: Example: Claire and Kate finding the site that the Others were holding Claire before she gave birth.

Also; Rousseau has a lot of useful information. They should listen to her, even if she's crazy sometimes. And Locke > Jack.

I believe tonight's episode is a new one...

I thought it was a worthless episode, if I'd have skipped to the last minute I'd have been happy.

Good news is the next episode looks exciting.

This week's episode acted as a good set-up for next week's, I think.

Plus Sun's pregnancy gave a nice, positive focus for the episode -- that was a nice change.

-Tamerlain

Has anyone read the diary on the Lost homepage?

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/105169.html

Woah... that was wierd. Spoiler: It implies that there are "Others" in the group. There are 40 or so survivors. We have met, maybe, half of them.

It also clarifies that Gale is an "other." not that I doubted he was anything but that... did you see him twist the knife, again with Locke and Jack at the end of the episode? Gale is a real piece of work.

Well, Gale could be messing with Jack and Locke's heads to see what they will do next. Gale seems like the manipulative type that is for sure, trying to mess with everyone's comfort zone's.

We should count how many times that's been said in this thread.

Probably only 4 times... maybe 8... on second thought 15.....

Yeah? Well the next post looks like it will be exciting...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...s/exciting.jpg

GIS for "Exciting"

Woah!!! That post was *exciting*!

Just joining the Lost crowd. I burned through season one last week and then DL'd season two this week and watched it. I can't believe it took me this long to get caught up with this show!

Anyway, I've little doubt at this point that Gale is an other. But...giving him the benefit of the doubt, if someone locked you in a room for three days with Crime and Punishment and a lot of people torturing you, I imagine you'd have a great deal of time to sit and think about how you might lash out at those responsible for your imprisonment if given the opportunity. Under those conditions, I see no reason why an otherwise normal person might show some much more serious malice.

If he is an other, though, his plot is ridiculous. The plan would've had to go something like, "I'm going to wander down into their territory. There's a chance I get caught, in which case I'll pretend to be Henry Gale and tell them [fill in story here]. Eventually I'll draw a map for them to come check my story out. I don't know how long this will take me or if it will happen, but make sure you have people stationed at the ambush point all the time until I come back in case I need you to take them hostage for an exchange. See you later!"

It may very well happen like that anyway, but I think it sounds pretty absurd, all things considered.

I don't think it is *that* absurd when looked at it like this:

Scientist out doing scientisty things. Crazy French woman hiding in the bush, catches you. She give you to the folks you have been studying on the beach.

You are a crafty bastard. You make up a story and stick to it. You work your group dynamics mojo on them and seriously fuck with their fragile power base, pitting one against the other.

You draw a map leading to where there are regular patrols by your people. By now they know you have been captured. They capture your captors and then trade for you.


It's a good plan. Except for the fact that Jack and Locke already know he is an "other" and are playing him.

A couple of thoughts on that theory.

Since this is "their island", chances are that they have the hatch bugged, so they know what's going on anyway. And, that's not even acknoledging the fact that Russeau (crazy french woman) may be an "other" as well. I mean, look at the amount of things set into action based on information she has provided, as well as that no one actually saw her capture Gale, just the end "result".

The show that makes you go hmmmm. :)

That Rousseau could be an "other" is a very real possibility.

why do the other's care anyways? I would have thought that a new batch of folks would have been welcome. More to play.

Kinda off topic....

Do you think they're going anywhere with the 'Hurley sneaking food' sub-sub-subplot?
Or is it just comic fodder?

Personally, I like the Hurley character and don't want to see him turned into one continuous fat joke.

I hope it's another of the writer's intricate plotlines in the making.


/delusional - "What, me??"

I think Hurley sneaking food is a comic relief side thing. I doubt it'll go anywhere, and I'm confident that he'll be doing plenty of other things than being a fat joke.

Now Charlie bringing the gun on the parachute expedition on the other hand, that could get dangerous...I don't believe for a second that Sayid and AL missed that coincidence.

Our conclusion about gale is correct! He is an other and he is not actually gale.

Also, when John Locke was trapped under the door the neon lights came on and displayed an image showing 4 or 5 small hatches and a middle larger hatch. One of the hatches had a question mark around it.

Are these buildings surrounding the larger building part of this large experiment group and what are there meanings? What are their functions?

Someone has to have a screen grab of that image.

A lot actually happened in that episode. Most importantly, Locke is showing his weaker side.

I wonder if he is going to try and protect "gale" from the rest, when they try to kill him?

I would hope after all the evidence Sayid has displayed to Gale right in front of Locke that he would accept the findings.

I also forgot to mention the fact that Locke met Sayid's old gf when locke was inspecting her house for mold. So far, each main character has met and or spoke to someone who is related to a person on the island.

Wow, that one slipped right by me.


Also something else that my wife pointed out watching tonights episode to add to the theories pile: Henry Gale is the name of Dorothy's uncle from The Wizard of Oz, and the wizard arrived in Oz via balloon.

Wow, cool episode. Spoiler: Now we know for sure Gale is an Other, and he has ULTERIOR motives. ;)

Looks like Hurley's getting a, (dare I say) meatier role in next week's episode. :D

Here is the image of what Locke viewed during the ultraviolet lights action:
Hatches

Hatches 2

cogito ergo doleo = I think therefore painhttp://img69.imageshack.us/img69/909...20063299xf.jpg
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMap.jpg

Thanks for linking those MonomAnny... lots of information there.

What do you guys make of the food drop? It seems to suggest that there is still a living world outside the island. It pretty much kills any idea that this is set in the future.

So I presume that this is a map of the Dharma complex, or what remains of it, as drawn by someone who spent a lot of time exploring it, but was not fully knowledgable?

I also gather the hatch area, is the section at the bottom center, indicated by "I am here".

My other guess is that the hospital complex where Claire was kept, is where it says "the Staff"

so "henry gale" is mr. eko's brother.... interesting.

I must have missed that, can you explain?

Mr. Eko's brother was in the plane that Eko burned.

The Henry Gale in the gravesite was from Michigan.

Here's another photo I found while sifting through a couple of Lost sites...

http://img104.imagevenue.com/loc161/...dharmadoor.jpg

Wow, great episode. I liked that we got to see a weaker side of Locke, his dependent side. He's such a strong person most of the time, but the flashbacks in this episode showed that his past still leaves him vulnerable.

I wasn't a big fan of the nod to the popularity of Texas Hold'Em though. Felt like they were just playing to the masses.

Those pictures are incredible - I'm amazed that they've already been broken down that much and the episode wasn't even 24 hours ago.

-Tamerlain

This is just speculation and I heard it somewhere else, but it makes sense to me Spoiler: It's possible the closing of the blast doors was because of the food drop happening outside. Dharma doesn't want anyone going out when it happens. Also, it's possible Henry Gale is Rose's brother. This is backed up by the "diary" on the ABC website.

I WAS JUST trying to throw you off. theres so many spoilers and possible solutions people have and make up, i just wanted to see if anyone would roll with that one.
Sorry... just an experiement.

Anyways, AMAZING episode.

I thought he was from Minnesota?

Yep, and I liked how when Gale asked him if he could walk, Locke hesitated like he wanted to give in, but instead dug down and found the fortitude to fight the pain and become his strong new self once again.

The writers might have been doing that, on the other hand, I just finished an article in Maxim magazine w/Jorge Garcia, saying most of the cast members liked to get together and play poker at one another's houses each week after watching the show. So it could've been an inside nod to those sessions.
I agree completely. I'm constantly surprised by the internets. :thumbsup:

I was thinking that the gates closed during the drop as well. It makes sense that they don't want to get hit by droping chutes...

The thing is, why did none of the survivors hear an airplane? It would have made a lot of noise, as it would have had to come in low to make a precise drop.

Another translation of the wall:
http://www.thetailsection.com/upload...all-707484.jpg

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that "Cerberus" refers to the black cloud monster, and that it's out of control due to one of the "incidents" mentioned here. Furthermore, the Others are no longer in full control of the island and it's facilities.

Going off the hatch drawing for a second...

I think now that "Henry" has gotten an explanation of the hatch and what they do in it (from Locke), he may have re-thought his position on the Lost crew. He may realize they're not out to harm, not pressing the button for some sadistic reason (that they know of). I dunno, just a random guess. Maybe he'll figure out a way to get what he's learned to the rest of the Others.

Of course.. then the show would lost a major plot point ;)

I haven't seen any info on the future Lost (no 'coming next week' or spoilers), so this may be disproved at some point.

When Locke was in the parking lot of the motel where his father was staying, 2 planes flew by overhead. Did they have a Dharma logo on the tail? I couldn't quite see - I watched on iTunes download, and the picture wasn't clear enough.

That wouldn't be surprising in the least. Unfortunately, I don't have downloads of the episodes.

As an aside, Lost has made me think a lot about the complaints big media corporations have with media being available in digital form (illegal: music downloads, movie downloads, tv downloads, etc). It's funny to me because there are so many things in this show that are geared towards people freeze-framing episodes to glean every possible bit of information from it. ABC may be different though because Lost is downloadable legally from iTunes, correct?

Either way, I still find it amusing.

-Tamerlain

No, the logo on the tail was that of Oceanic Airlines, the same Airline that crashed on the island.

Has to be Oceanic. No other airline would let them put their logo in a show about a plane that crashes.

I'd personally request that people refrain from deliberate disinformation. Things are confusing and crazy enough (as these diagrams show) without it. I love speculation as much as the next guy, but don't try to throw us off. :thumbsup: