Benoit always gets screwed over, the same thing with Eddie Guerrero. I think it's a litttle odd that two people acquired from WCW are getting big pushes at the same time. As for the Ric Flair- Benoit match all I have to say is, Four Horsemen Forever!
Also that was the ugliest Crossface I've ever seen Benoit use :lol:


Any comments on the way the Undertaker/Kane feud is being pushed? I've loved most of the segments so far. However I did miss that big sign that people are talking about on the net. It said something like "The Dead shall rise in 30 days"... Anyone see that on RAW?

Lastly when they do bring the Undertaker back I hope they bring him back with the Graveyard Symphony as his enterance music again.

Newbie to tfp but enjoying it :)

Ive been a fan of benoit since the early wcw days when we first started getting wrestling in about 1998 or so. Given the work hes done i think its sad that he keeps getting screwed over in big match situations as ive watched it happen over and over. :(

What are the chances this will be his big moment to finally win the title?
Predictions?
Also after the way that WCW pushed goldberg over so many other deserving wrestlers, id love to see him get decimated :D

Here is my opinion about Benoit. Obviously he is a great wrestler and when he goes out there every night he busts his ass. He's got a fierce personality and his chops are vicious (you saw Flair's chest bleeding last night).

However, Benoit's charisma in my opinion has always been his achilles heel. When he's a heel I don't really hate him, and when he's a face he can't cut that really awesome promo a la HBK, Foley, or the Rock can that is essential to being a champion. That being said... I would LOVE to see someone else have the title aside from HHH/HBK/HBK. So go Beniot..... I guess....

I hope Benoit and Guerrero both end up winning their brand's respective titles. That would be great to see those two stars break 'The WCW Curse." They both deserve it.

I get goosebumps every time I see the Undertaker/Kane thing. The sign said "In 34 days (Wrestlemania), the dead will rise... again." And when his bell tolls, yyyeeeaaaahhhh baby!!

Yeh guerrero deserves all he gets :)

Brock is not a bitch, if anybody is it your guy goldberg who never takes bumps from anyone and just has two moves in his arsenal.

Lol I sense hostility in your comment, you don't have a thing for Lesnar do you? j/k

I could care less is Goldberg left or not, really, he hasn't had a huge impact on RAW. But if he did stay I'd rather see him on SmackDown! so he could have some feuds with people on their show rather than be put in matches with boring ass Mark Henry. Speaking of him we sem to be Henry-free for a while, seems Benoit hurt him or something.

Actually, Mark Henry yoinked his arm in a house show the night before or something. He said he was okay for the match with Benoit, but he just got messed up due to him being "Not Flexible". In other words, Benoit did what he always does, but Mark Henry just couldn't take it. :D

Ah well, at least he's out of the picture for a while, not there taking up valuble airtime WWE could use for people who are actually good at what they do.

I actually heard that it had been bothering him for a while and that he has had that surgery scheduled for a while now. The Benoit angle was just an excuse to give push Beniot before his WMXX match at the same time allowing Henry to take the time he needs to recoup.

Yeah. He can return bigger, badder, and have more dreadlocks!!!

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Good bye Zack Gowan. Good bye Kanyon. Good bye Ernest. of the three of you, only Kanyon was good.

Kanyon is gone? I didn't know Kanyon was ever back? Dammit !!!

Who better than Kanyon?? NOBODY !!!! BANG !!!!

Yeah, in my opinion, Brock is gonna drop the title to Eddie tomorrow, by some sort of interference by Goldberg, which is gonna set up a Brock/Berg match at WMXX that Brock will win and Goldberg will find something else to do other than wrestle. God for a guy with like 4 or 5 moves he sure gets pushed big time.

By the way, if Benoit wins the title at WMXX... God save us all. A champ that can fight his ass off, but has like zero mic skills and charisma. WWE needs more wrestlers like that, just go out every match and bust ass, and never have to cut an interview. It just isn't in Benoit's repetoire to be good on the mic.

I think that made sense.

i love chris with a passion, but you are right..he sucks on the mic. Id really like to see his and ANYONE other than HHH with the belt though..
Hell most of the new talent sucks anyway..
It would be nice to see a little guy win the belt for a change..
Even better if it's a clean win

Bah, you don't need charisma to be a good champion in my opinion, Benoit is way more deserving than a lot of wrestler's who hold the title these days, with or without mic skills. He has paid his dues, give him the belt already, ya know?

It made sense to me, Spike. I think if the WWE really emphasized Benoit's "shutup and fight" attitude, it can really blow up huge. I think fans already see it, but he hasn't been given enough time on screen to really peak their interest. Possibly give him more time in his matches?

I think he would have to cut an interview occasionally, but really only for something important. The rest of his promos should consist of somebody calling him out, and he making them tap instantly. Just by staring at him! Sure beats the 15 minute verbal masterbation that HHH and other guys do nowadays. Maybe if they actually had something INTERESTING to say, it wouldn't be so bad. Showboating (sp?) and theater are great, but there has to be a PURPOSE, dammit!

All I know is that two things are really intriguing me for RAW tomorrow: Beniot VS HBK, and the development of the Orton/Foley feud.

Why in the world is HHH still champion? Does anyone not see that he's probably the worst champion they've had in a long time, and he's had the title WAYYY to long.. I've found no one that enjoys his matches. Unless it's a PPV it goes like this.
1. He comes out and spits water all over the place
2. gets his butt kicked by someone
3. Evolution inteferes
:rolleyes:

What ya gonna do? He is fucking the boss's daughter.

I dunno, Trips is still one hell of a wrestler..when he actually wrestles. I agree that he talks waaayyy too much.

Randy Orton could be good too, if they kick him out of Evolution and let him do his own thing. Mick Foley can make or break careers, so we'll see what happens there with him and Randy.

Hopefully WWE keeps their heads out of their arses and they do the right thing and mix it up a little and let some other people, (the future of the business) hold titles and establish themselves, it's the only way...

I don't mind Randy being in Evolution...actually, I kinda like it, I just wish he'd still somehow incorporate the RNN segments. I think that it would be easily used one time before WrestleMania to boost his feud with Foley.


Side-note: Watching No Way Out, and I'm gonna try to keep you guys updated on it in this post (I will edit this through-out the show):

-The show started with a completely pointless Torrie/Sable segment of greeting San Fran.
-A good video of Brock/Eddie was shown (WWE does awesome videos).
-The Bashem Brothers/Shaniqua VS Scottie 2 Hottie and Rikishi match ended with Rikishi doing his butt-drop on Shaniqua for the win.
-After a video of Noble/Nidia, their match came on. After some silly and funny antics by Nidia, Noble listed his mask while the ref wasn't looking and threw her off the top rope. He won with the Dragon Sleeper.
-An interview with Kurt Angle is on, where Cena interrupts him. He slaps him in the face, then a quick brawl erupts before it gets broken up.
-APA VS Word's Greatest Tag Team came on. A fair match, with Shelton pinning Bradshaw with a superkick.
-Goldberg is shown walking to his seat, then a Brock/Goldberg video came on. Now Paul Heyman walks to the ring and addresses Goldberg. Paul Heyman screams about how he better only watch the show, then Brock Lesnar walks down the ramp. Brock and Paul argue since Brock wants Goldberg now. After calling Goldberg a bitch, he gets up from his seat and steps in the ring. They takes off their shirts and scuffle for a lil' bit, then Goldberg delievers the Jackhammer! Security then comes and arrests Goldberg. It looked like the segment was over, but then Hardcore Holly comes out and chases Brock out of the ring.
-Hardcore Holly VS Rhyno then started on the ramp. Holly rolled out of the ring after a Gore and barely made it back in the ring on time. Hardcore delivered the Alabama Slamma and won.
-a Chavo/Rey video comes on, then an unexpected bell rings as an Undertaker video shows.
-Chavo VS Rey was a good match, which featured a vicious-looking top-rope gut-buster from Chavo onto Rey and some amazing acrobat-like flying from Rey. Chavo reversed that one move Rey likes to do after the 619 (he did the 619 twice) into a single-leg crab. Chavo Senior pushed Rey off the top-rope to like Chavo Junior pin him for the win.
-The Chavo's celebrate backstage, then Jr. gives an interview and repeatedly calls Eddie Guerrero a loser while pointing to his lockerroom door.
-The Angle/Big Show/Cena match was pretty good, with Kurt winning with the Angle Lock on Cena.
-A Brock/Eddie video comes on again, then the Main Event of Brock/Eddie starts. It goes for over around 30 minutes, then Brock knocks out the ref while doing the F5 on Eddie. Brock goes to grab his title and is ready to smash it into Eddie's face, but Goldberg comes out and spears Brock! Eddie pins him, but Brock kicks out. Now Eddie swings the belt at Brock, but he ducks and goes for the f5 on Eddie...but Eddie reverses it into a DDT onto the belt! Eddie goes for the Frog Splash and wins the WWE Championship.

I am stunned that they're giving the belt to Eddie. Vince is such a size freak and someone like Guerrero (and Benoit, if he wins) holding a belt is amazing.

My friend and I were discussing during the Guerrero/Lesnar match, how Lesnar pretty much had to lose the title since he wouldn't be able to face Goldberg and Angle at Wrestlemania unless it was a triple threat, and it's looking like we've got one of those on the Raw side of the card. We still didn't think Eddie would actually win though, that made too much sense, the two of 'em put on a great match too, as did Chavo and Rey. The #1 contenders match could have been better, and the rest of the card was pretty much crap.
But having Eddie as champ more than makes up for it.

Eddie VS Angle should be a great match, and it's gonna be at WrestleMania baby! Then Lesnar VS Goldberg is a match I've been waiting forever for. HHH VS Benoit (and HBK, probably) is a match I look forward to, though I don't know how much luck Benoit will have. Orton VS Foley has really got me excited. Those four matches alone is worth WrestleMania to me, then we also have Undertaker VS Kane and more. The only match I wish would happen (but won't) is Austin VS Hogan...that would truely be a monumental match that would advertise itself for WrestleMania.

my vote for the next WWE diva(s) to be in Playboy...

1. Victoria
2. Trish Stratus
3. Stacy Keibler

It's too bad Benoit jumped ship to RAW because an Eddie/Benoit match for the title at WMXX would be pretty cool.

They work really well together and they are pretty evenly matched size wise, if it was booked right, it could save the WWE./

My take:

1. Trish
2. Stacy
3. Terri (major MILF!)
4. Gail Kim
5. Victoria

Hell yeah, I can't believe Eddie won the title. Looks like the rematch from the "Smackdown" royal rumble is on. Even if Eddie only holds the belt till WMXX I'm glad it got it.


Victoria has a great personality from what I've read. She can take some great pictures, but those great photos are like 1 out of every 400 she takes. Most of her photos make her look like a she-male. The camera just doesn't like her...

MMMMM Gail Kim..... I bet she has some nice brown nips. :crazy:

man oh man haven't watched wrestling in a while very very cool thread!

Gotta agree with you on terri...but she'd be number two on my list:
Ivory [Very underrated as a hottie]
Terri
Trish

BTW, I'm getting psyced for WMXX...they are building some great fueds and with a couple of unexpected title switches the last week or so...it could be a red-hot show!

Wish list? How about...
 

http://www.gerweck.net/liliangarcia.jpg
Lillian Garcia..


MOST underrated hottie in the ring...

Did anyone else think Christian was putting the moves on Trish on Monday? Is this going to lead into a Christian vs Jericho match for Trish's affection? Only time will tell...

Yep, saw that... gave me the creeps. He is after all... the CLB.

Christian Vs Jericho at Wrestlemania should be a ladder match. That would be awesome. :D

I believe I already saw that Jericho vs Christian is on the WM card.

On a side note here: What's with the clothes Christian has been wearing during the last year or so? Does anyone else think they look like women's clothes?

When Christian got his haircut, he adopted his new look. SUPER SEXY. Or something like that.

The template for his look - The relatively shortlived MetroGay style that exist(ed) in NYC and LA for the special bars that offer drinks that cost more than a few beers and pretzels for an entire night. Tight shirts, and low-rise pants. The tighter the better. Its to show off the form, and to reach an almost feminine look.

note: REAL gay people (the trendy San Francisco ones) were dressing like this a few seasons before straight people were. Thereby putting into motion the chronicles of straight guys (ones who think they are OH SO SEXY) trying to be gay (who thing they are OH SO SEXY). :D

Definitely Stacy for next Playboy.

And a Triple Threat Match for Wrestlemania sucks. This will just be another way for HHH to steal a win and avoid having to job to anyone and keep the title.

good point, JohnnyRoyale. I would like to see her get more involved in the storylines, wear sexier outfits, etc.

Agreed on both points. A Stacy vs Trish spread. What's everyone's take on the Angle heel turn? I guess I'm pretty ok with it, as I don't like him with chest hair. He is so easy to hate.

I love it when Angle is a Heel. When he first started, me and a friend went to see RAW in Detroit. Angle came out and starting making fun of everything about Detroit (like he was doing for every city). Everyone was booing him, except me, my friend and one other guy near our seats.

It's about time he became a heel again :D

I agree, Angle makes a great heel. The guy I hate is sean michaels, I never could stand that useless piece of pious doo doo. I am fine with Trips retaining the title at mania, as long as he looses it to Benoit in Edmonton.

Shawn Michaels should have given up a while ago, I've never liked him since he was in the Rockers with Marty Jannety, and I still don't like him now.

Hopefully there won't be a triple threat match...

If he wins at WM...Ughh... Anyone in my opinion would be a better champ than Michaels.. Even the Big Show!!

HEY HEY HEY

Watch what you say around here! Words like that will get you shot!

Allow me to rephrase it:

"Anyone in my opinion would be a better champ than Michaels.. Even such great and talented stars like V1 Hardy and Shelton Benjamin!!"

I haven't watched wrestling for a while, can someone help me? What ever happened to Mr. America??? Last I saw he had taken the lie detector test proving that he wasn't hulk hogan!!! How did they resolve that?

Mr. America (aka Hogan) took off his mask on his last night with the WWE. Hogan waved to a few people, and left the building. His contract was ended, and he is doing other stuff now.

huh? so how did he pass the lie detector test??

wrestling isn't very realistic.

Did anyone notice the graphic for Chavo Sr. before the main event last smackdown? He was in the referee shirt, and counted on his fingers: 1, 2, 3...4, in the whole dramatic serious face. I keeled over with soda spraying out my nose! Great stuff.

Anyone can pass a polygraph with proper training, besides it's wrestling after all :)

I don't even care about the World Title at XX anymore. HHH is gonna keep his title. Micheals already made Benoit look like a mid-carder again despit his Royal Rumble win. I see a match with a three people:
1) A mid-carder
2) A banged up former star
3) The guy banging the boss's daughter.

Any guess on who wins that?

Though I am curious as how this whole Foley/Orton fued ends. And I still want to see the return of the Deadman. I bet he gets the biggest pop the WWE has seen all year.

Undertaker will undoubtedly get an outrageous pop at WM20...heck, I'm gonna cheer for him at home just 'cuz I ain't seen him in so long. I'm most psyched for the Brock/Goldberg and Foley/Orton feuds though.

Talking 'bout the Floey/Orton feud, I've heard rumors say that they want to change it to a tag match, to something like Foley and Rock/Orton and either Flair or Batista. I like the Rock and I hope he shows up for WrestleMania, but I hope that they leave it as Foley/Orton. I think Rock/Flair would be good, and that would be a feud that you could probably promote enough before WM20 to be a success. No matter what though, Foley/Orton needs to be a singles match!

Old school Undertaker is going to be great. I can't wait to see him again. :D

I agree, Foley/Orton should be 1 on 1. Especially with Wrestlemania 3 weeks away, throwing Rocky into the mix seems really rushed. I would understand if Rock was to appear on the next 3 Raws for the feud, but he's not going to. Supposidly he's just showing up at Wrestlemania and that's it. I seriously don't believe Rock deserves any spot on the card, outside of a possible announcing gig.

C'mon now Michaels isn't that bad is he? I mean he and Bret Hart put on a great show in the first Ironman right? And what's your thing with Shelton Benjamin, Spleen? I don't see why you like him so much lol, I mean I agree he could be used better and more often but as the champion? That's pushing it in my opinion.

I don't get all the anti-HBK sentiment running wild around here...as far as an overall performer there may not ever have been anyone better. When u look at the in-ring stuff [the man invented ladder matches and is one of the great ironmen] and his ability on the stick he stands out in the history of the "sport"

I totally agree. JohnnyRock, Shawn Michaels isn't all that bad, I don't see why everyone hates him. I think he's good at what he does. But we cannot forget the other who made Ladder Matches famous, gogo Scott Hall! Lol I just had to mention him, sorry.

I'm glad you mentioned him, simply 'cuz I ain't heard about him in forever. What's he doin' here lately?

............................................. hey yo.

Hehe I enjoyed Scott Hall, it's too bad he can't kick the booze problem. I don't know where he is now.

THE GUY IS TALENTED.

Everything I've seen, save for a few blown spots with cruiserweights, has been as close to perfect as I can hope for from a non-Stu Harts Dungeon wrestler. WHen he does mess up, aka "wrestling cruiserweights", its only because his opponants wrestling style is so far from the same as his. He handles himself well in the ring, albeit his personality isn't up to par. Probably needs some more mike work, like when Edge was finally allowed to use the mic.

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SCOTT HALL and Kevin Nash are teaming together again as the Outsiders/Hall and Nash. They are working various US indy matches, and have (i think) signed on for a few events with NWA:TNA.

Glad to know, thanks. NWA:TNA ain't my kind of product though, so I don't think I'm gonna tune in anytime soon to catch them on PPV.

What a waste of talent. Hall & Nash should be cleaning up in the WWE. It would be better than watching Christian beat the hell out of women all the time. Oh well...

Kevin Nash can barely walk because his knees are ruined from a lifetime of wrestling. Scott Hall can barely walk 'cause he's a drunk. Both of them are far past their prime. You're right, they should be cleaning up in the WWE.

Being past your prime doesnt seem to stop people from cleaning up in the WWE. They are good showmen. Thats all it takes. Are you telling me Flair is at his peak? He still always seems to get a big match on RAW. The booze issue with Scott Hall is what makes it a shame. There is no excuse for that. He should get cleaned up is what is a shame. Mick Folley is running around getting his ass kicked, he isnt exactly a physical specimen. If the non physical issues (and this includes booze) with them were sorted out they could have easily been a staple of the WWE for quite some time...

I really liked Hall's style of wrestling. Nash on the other hand was a complete bore.

Here is Nash's M.O.

1. Punch the bad guy... bad guy falls down... Nash walk around for 15 seconds.
2.Whip bad guy into corner.... walk around 15 seconds.
3.Put boot on bad guy's throat while bad guy is still in corner..... walk around 15 seconds.
4. Do the little picture frame with his hands then elbow the bad guy in the corner..... walk around 15 seconds.
5.Take bad guy out of the corner... whip him to against ropes.... big boot. walk waround 15 seconds.
6. Make powerbomb sign..... pick bad guy up off mat.. powerbomb him.... then pin him lazily.

Match Over.

Nash would would almost put me to sleep whenever he came on. He was basically a Big Show with grey hair that never took bumps. I have no idea how he has any injuries, but somehow he does.

I liked Hall ans Nash, personally, I found them very entertaining when they were in WWF a long time ago ahd in WCW as the Outsiders/nWo. But on a side note, Scott Hall has dyed his hair blonde, and it looks very different on him, to say the least.

Whoa whoa WHOA!!! I'd just like to see Big Show take the vicious "Fingerpoke Of Doom" from Hogan like Nash did in WCW!

*rolls eyes*

I think that the WWE is heading in the right direction, with the talent levels of the younger guys (and gals) coming up in the ranks.

Shelton is a hell of a wrestler, I saw him at a smackdown taping 2 weeks ago, and he's pretty good.

Yeah, they are tossing the Rock in with Foley against Randy/Batista....

Dammit, it needs to be a hell in the cell match with Foley beating the dog snot out of Randy all match long. If the WWE is going to establish Randy as the future, he needs to take an ass whooping as well as giving one. It could get Randy over as a face who finally has a change of heart or something like that and then Foley could "snap" and go out with a bloody finale and a victory against the Legend Killer.???


What do you guys think about that scenario?

If a hell in a cell match is planned between Foley and Orton, I agree that Foley should be dishing out the beating. For one thing, his body can't possibly be in any condition to take crazy bumps during a match. But they can't risk Orton's future by having him pull a King of the Ring '98. They would have to go in the direction of the Brock/Taker HIC from No Mercy 2002, with no obscene bumps, just good ol fashioned blood and guts.

There may be some problems, however. If Orton wins, then Foley comes out looking like a washed out has-been, being punked out almost every week by Orton and Evolution. If Foley wins, there's the possibility that Orton may lose all the steam from his push.

But I do like the possibilities that can come from your ending, Spike. Foley turns Psycho, whipping out flaming barb-wire bats and beds of nails, and Orton is slaughtered after putting up a valiant effort. Foley leaves with his integrity and legend intact, while Orton leaves by his own power, bloody and near-dead, to a standing ovation.

Agreed. I really hope to see it go down like that, but I don't think it will...sadly enough.

What the...another multi-person match? First it's the triple threat for the Heavyweight title, now there's a "cruiserweight open"? Both on theWrestlemania XX card? Are they trying to get more talent per square inch or what? Or am I just loosing it?

They just want everyone to get into the big WM20 card, which actually hurts the product. Good intentions with potentially bad results.

I guess so..it seems a "more talent per square inch of ring" attitude is prevaling. At least until someone realizes that you can't have the quality matches (especially the cruiserweight) that way.

That's the prolem when you have so many people on the roster...Vince is trying to squeeze time in for talents from 3 feds all working under the WWE banner...that adds to lots of multi-person matches

I wonder if they'll make the Cruiserweight Open cross promotional? That might actually be worth watching.

Lord no, don't make it cross-promotional; Spike Dudley will find a way in it then!

Well, Hurricane would get to wrestle, too...eh, it evens out. Go for it, I say.

Heard this morning on CNN (of all places) that Pete Rose will be doing a guest spot in WrestlMania XX...guess it's for the WWE hall of fame thing. Anyone hear of any other "guest stars"?

Actually, that also explains why their putting in extra title belts, since that's more to set up story lines...if only they'd bring back the hardcore "anyplace, anytime" title :)

Hasn't Pete Rose shown up at like, 4 Wrestlemanias? He has an ongoing feud with Kane, I can't remember what started it, but he gets chokeslammed every time he shows up at WM.

Edit - I just found this :

At least ol' Peety gets in one hall of fame huh???

Ouch...sad, but true.

Considering the Cruiserweight championship is a Smackown title, I doubt it will be interpromotional. I personally think WrestleMania XX is shaping up to be nice.

I'm tired of Cruiserweights.

Just got to thinking about that, it just seems like its the same 2 or 3 guys sharing the belt, and they are like Mysterio, Tajiri (but he is still a hell of a wrestler) and Chavito, and they just pass it around now and then.

Never a guy like Shannon Moore or any of the others. Sure Rey is a good wrestler and all that, but I just read the last post and realized I'm bored of the direction the cruisers are going in....

Yep, the one thing that WCW did right was they let the cruiserweights do their thing. Vince wants them to wrestle the WWE style so they don't outshine the main eventers. If Vince saw Chavo/Rey at No Way Out, he must know the cruiserweights can put on a hell of a match, and he's got such a huge talent pool wasting away on Velocity and dark matches while guys like Mr. Ass and Hardcore Holly get TV time.

WCW's cruiserweight division was phenominal ! Back in the days of Jericho, Juvi, Chavo (with pepe), Mysterio, and Kidman there really was nothing more exciting than a cruiserweight matchup.

Vince would have a solid goldmine going if he'd freaking back off the Triple HHH bandwagon and allow wrestlers like RVD, Jericho, and some of the others loose.

Jericho could be every bit as big as HBK as could RVD with the right push. I mean thier personas on the mike and the action they put in is direly needed from these main eventers that Vince has held on to for too long.

But when you are HHH and you are banging the hell out of the boss' daughter, you get to have some sort of pull I suppose...

I'd try for some pull if I was on Steph too! She's nice....mmmm...

I also noticed vince's got this "big guy" thing..Kane, Big Show, that australian what-his-name. The big guys are big, but there's only so many choke slams I can watch before I get bored.

Watching Rey Mysterio or RVD doing their thing in the ring is a lot more entertaining.

I think wrestling promoters in general like having bigger guys to be their main atractions. Doesn't matter if they're stiff like board with no conditioning what-so-ever.

I have a few questions. What exactly happened to the crusierweight division of the WWE? It was actually starting to get better with Rey, Hardy, Tajiri and Noble on Smackdown. Was it because of the shorter times for matches, lack of exposure or general lack of interest from the higher ups?

Come to think of it, what happened to Smackdown? Every Thursday there were high caliber matches from members of the "Smackdown 6" (Benoit, Angle, Misterio, Edge, Guerroro's). They were focusing more on the sport/competition part with guys like Benjamin and Haas ( I still think their name should have been "Best Damn Tag Team, Period", kinda like the foxsports show), and those matches were getting tremendous response from the crowd. Did management get tired of the style and move back to the entertainment mode?

Yeah. Ratings were lower than expected, and they felt that more of an entertainment aspect of the show would bring in higher numbers.

Rumor has it Paul Bearer may be returning with the Undertaker at WMXX, what do you all think about this? I'd personally love to see them back together. It would be like old times again.

Paul Heyman was taken away from the creative leadership on Smackdown!, that's what happened.


I think Paul will be fun to see (assuming we see him at all), but it won't be too bad without him either.

Hercules Hernandez recently died, for those of you that didn't know that yet.

Really?? Hercules Hernandez? Oh man, all the old ones are dropping fast.

But as far as Paul Bearer? It's good for the WWE to bring back the UnderTaker with him, because the "Dead Man" isn't the same without Paul.

Hopefully they use the Undertaker better after his return, and hopefully he beats the hell out of Kane, I'm so tired of Kane it's unbelievable.

Word's coming down that Brock Lesnar has resigned, now. WM XX will be his last match. Seeing as that's supposed to be Goldberg's last as well, I wonder how they'll spin that on the respective programs?

I could see them extending Goldbergs contract with this development and having him stay on Smackdown.

The match at WMXX would turn into a loser retires match.

I'm just curious. Where do you guys get all this info before it happens? Is there some reliable website with spoilers? Inside sources? It seems that someone around here always seems to know the inside scoop.

There are several "Smart" sites out there such as onlineonslaught.com and pwinsider.com and there are always people that know people.

Word is that Lesnar wants to play pro football. Anyone know if he played in college? Anyone hear of teams interested in him?

Already knew Lesnar was looking for an alternative means of making a living, but I didn't expect to see him leave so soon. WMXX being both of their last matches now, this will be interesting the following nights on RAW and SmackDown!. I'm wondering how they're gonna pull off them both leaving. Also, has anyone else heard of the possible return of the ECW as a low budget 'Brand' from WWE? What are your thoughts on this?

I really REALLY hope Brock stays (and the fishy story makes me feel better), but there's more and more news coming from more and more sources (even FOX has an article about it).

My reliable website of choice for wrestling news: http://www.lordsofpain.net

Lesnar: GOOD! Now Shelton Benjamin will have a chance to shine!! Get outta here you big white freak! For a guy who's never played football (College), you're going to have a piss of a time trying to get into the NFL and being successful.

WMXX Match: HAH. If I were to actually watch the PPV, I would change the channel.
Lesnar - F5!! OMG F5!!
Goldberg - SPEAR!! OMG SPEAR!!
Lesnar - WAIT!! I"M OKAY!! NO SELL NO SELL!!
Golberg - JACKNIFE!! OMG JACKNIFE!!
Lesnar - OWIEE!! BROCKLOCK!!
Goldberg - OWIEE!! NO SELL NO SELL!!
Ring explodes and the crowd is showered with pieces of human.

JR : BY GAWD!! DOUBLE STUNNER ON LESNAR AND GOLDBERG!!!! STONE COLD!!! STONE COLD!!!!!
Then JR explodes.