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I'm not sure, I was under the impression that he was married.
I just figured it out... Brock leaves to try out for the NFL, gets a starting job somewhere, let's say The Dolphins. During the opening game, say against the Giants, Lesnar turns around and F-5's the QB, rips off his Miami Jersey to reveal a Giants one, then gets on the mic and announces that the Giants have joined the newly reborn XFL, which is the rumoured third brand extension! Okay, maybe not, but that would be awesome. |
Most of the reports have just listed Brock's woman as "the mother of his child," so I'm guessing no wedding bells happened there.
I found it a shock that he was dating Sable too. Even more shocking that he has a kid! I don't think this story would be a work, since there doesn't seem to be any positives that can happen from this. I mean, what would the point be? Plus, many of the WWE fans don't go around reading news on the smark sights, so it wouldn't make sense to start the rumor here. If it really is a work, then I'd like to see him as part of the (rumored) ECW revival. Yes, I heard that ECW would be brought in (again) as the renegade group (again), and have their own show once a week, and hold their own PPV's. I'm not exactly sure how successful it would be, since it was botched so badly the first time around. |
Anyone hear that part of Lesnar reason for leaving was the way the Undertaker was going to be pushed on his return? I remember reading something a while back talking about the WWE allowing Taker to basicly walk right through all the heels on Smackdown when he returns, after he smacks Kane around at WMXX of course...
And another thing, I wonder if Edge is gonna wind up going to Smackdown to fill in the missing star power if Lesner walks... Edit: I just saw a funny idea on another site, how about the WWE makes the Lesnar/Goldberg match a last man standing match with the loser leaving the WWE. The ending is Austin stuns them both and counts them both out. O_o |
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If Vince did bring back the ECW, then I wouldn't be suprised if the Brock/NFL thing is a ruse, and he's going to headline the restarted ECW. I can't see Brock playing pro football, quite frankly. He's a wrestler, not a ball player. It'd be like Angle going into the NFL.
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Top 10 WM Matches....eveah!
So, last night on Spike TV, they had a "Top 10 Wrestlemania matches" show. Here's their pics, if you missed it:
10.) Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit - WM17 9.) Ultimate Warrior vs. Hulk Hogan - WMVI 8.) Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels - WMXIV 7.) Hulk Hogan & Mr. T vs. Roddy Piper & Paul Orndorf - WMI 6.) Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin - WMXIII 5.) The Rock vs. Hollywood Hogan - WM18 4.) Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat - WMIII 3.) Razor Ramon vs. Shawn Michaels (ladder match) - WMX 2.) Dudleys vs. Hardys vs. Edge & Christian (triple ladder match) - WM16 1.) Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (iron man match) - WMXII |
hehe thank good neess the era of the big man looks to be on a downturn
Brock will be gone in a few weeks, hopefully Goldberg too.. Mean Mark Calloway is on his last year, Big Show's contract up in 20XX (i forget the date).. The Aussie left, Kane will be depushed, Matt Morgan is underperforming, Hardcore Holly is upsetting JR..(ok, so he's not a Big Guy, i just dont like him..the man has legit anger issues) Wee! Cruiserweight Time! |
Holy Crap!! Ganguro posted!!~
ANYWAY, Guess what time it is?!?!?! ITS MY PREDICTIONS FOR WRESTLEMANIA (the crowd goes crazy) (all the fine ladies throw their underwear) (all the fine ladies forgot to take off their underwear, so they stand up from where they landed and try again) ===== WWE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle The truth - I am more of an Angle fan than Eddie The truth - Angle has gone from heel to face so many times, that people don't know whether to cheer or boo him. The truth - Angle is your next WWE World Heavyweight (SD!) Champion!!! WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP Triple Threat Match Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit Benoit pins Michaels for the Title. Loses it to HHH on RAW the next day. SPECIAL GUEST REFEREE: 'STONE COLD' STEVE AUSTIN Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg Lesnar and Goldberg DQ themselves by beating up Austin. The crowd boos. We cheer. We say BYE BYE to the lot of them. HANDICAP TAG TEAM MATCH The Rock & Mick Foley vs. Randy Orton, Batista & Ric Flair Evolution wins. The Undertaker vs. Kane Undertaker wins, Kane gets his mask back. WWE UNITED STATES HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP The Big Show vs. John Cena Cena FINALLY wins a solo match at a major PPV and is your new US Champ. WWE WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP (SMACKDOWN) Four-Way Match Rikishi & Scotty Too Hotty (c) vs. The Basham Brothers vs. The APA vs. Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin The Worlds Greatest Tagteam proves, once again, that Shelton Benjamin is pre awesomness. TWGTT wins the titles. WWE WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP (RAW) Four-Way Match Rob Van Dam & Booker T (c) vs. Mark Jindrak & Garrison Cade vs. La Resistance vs. The Dudley Boyz ... I think this match will be worse than the one Big Shmo is in. RVD and Booker T retain. (Why the hell is Jindrak and Cade at Wrestlemania, and V1 Hardy isn't?!?!?!?!) Chris Jericho vs. Christian Jericho wins, BIIIAATTCCHHH WWE WORLD CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP Cruiserweight Open Match Chavo Guerrero (c) vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Tajiri vs. Akio vs. Billy Kidman vs. Ultimo Dragon vs. Sho Funaki vs. Nunzio vs. Jamie Noble vs. Shannon Moore This will be a HUGE spotfest, with all the performers pulling off their biggest and best moves. While I hope that Jamie-san (Jung Dragons anyone??) would win the title, I feel that Chavo will retain the belt. WWE WOMEN'S CHAMPIONSHIP Victoria (c) vs. Molly Holly I wouldn't mind seeing a bald Molly. In fact, I hope to see it so much that I am going way out on a limb to say that Victoria wins! PLAYBOY EVENING GOWN MATCH Stacy Keibler & Miss Jackie vs. Torrie Wilson & Sable ... Okay. THIS is the worst match of the night. I'm not even going to call this one, because it is a waste of my precious few braincells. ==== I DEMAND that any regular poster in this thread (regular = more than 1 post a week) posts their predictions, no matter how bad or off they might be. |
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Kurt Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero I think Eddy'll take it, but it won't be a clean win. Eddy needs to hold the belt longer to establish himself as a main-eventer, this feud never got enough time to fully develop. It should carry on for awhile longer. HHH vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit Michaels pins Benoit, Setting up Michaels vs. Benoit at Backlash (In Benoit's hometown, Edmonton). This whole triple threat business was set up so that HHH wouldn't have to lose the belt to and look weak in the process. Although it wouldn't surprise me if HHH held the belt until him and Steph have a son. Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar I'm hoping they don't go for a bizarro non-finish for this match. I pick Lesnar. On the following Smackdown, Lesnar makes a speech saying that the rest of the roster wasn't behind him, yet he still won, that he's better than the WWE, and that he's through. (Provided that this NFL thing is real). Rock n' Sock Connection vs. Evolution I'm guessing Evolution. The Orton/Foley feud will carry on to Backlash where Orton'll get a clean win (unless he's not IC champ then). I'm not expecting much out of this match, Flair's hurt, The Rock'll be gone again right after the match, and Batista sucks. Big Show vs. John Cena Cena should win this. I don't think Show has defended his title since winning it in October(?). I remember Cena/Show in a non-title match from Iraq at Christmas, Cena won, and since then I've been waiting for the much more entertaining Cena to win the belt. Undertaker vs. Kane I forgot about this one, the unmasked monster Kane could barely handle Shane McMahon, and it seems rather pointless to bring Taker back with such fanfare, only to have him lose. Both sides'll get a chance to show off their crazy, evil powers, but Taker will tombstone Kane 'Straight to Hell'. SmackDown Tag Team Clusterfuck Benjamin & Haas is who I think should win, but I can see the APA taking it. Raw Tag Team Clusterfuck (a.k.a. 'Why I don't care about the tag team division') Have The Dudleyz turn heel and win the belts, that might interest me. Cruiserweight Open Chavo Sr. lies, cheats, and steals a win for Chavo Jr. over Rey, or possibly Ultimo Dragon, who could then get some much-needed TV time. Chris Jericho vs. Christian I'd like to see a Trish heel turn, winning the match for Christian. Victoria vs. Molly Holly I really hope it's a pubic hair match... Victoria wins, we won't see Molly again until some of her hair grows back, and in the meantime we see heel Trish vs. face Victoria. Skank Match Who cares? |
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==== Don't forget the Taker/Kane match ==== So I was flipping channels, and what do I come across? IWA (i think) (International Wrestling Alliance - Puerto Rico federation) or something like that. Puerto Rico for sure, and it definitely started with an I. ANYWAY, saw a very nice match with Chris Sabin, some Diablo guy, and some PR guy named Blitz. It was a three-way TNA style X match, with the I** Lightweight World Title (literally) on the line. It was called by the english dubbed announcers as a "tightrope" match, where each ringpost had another structure behind it that rose about 10-12 feet above the mat. From the structure, an X was formed by 2 ropes. The idea is to monkey the ropes to get the the title that is hanging at the cross in the ropes. There were some nice spots, that revolved mainly around the various ways you can get someone to fall/drop/release from the ropes and land in a heap on the mat. Funniest part of the match, purely unintentional though, was the Diablo guy going for a Rey Mysterio-esque West Coast Pop into a dropkick in an attempt to knock Blitz off the rope. Attempt. Diablo didn't get enough height or distance, and barely landed a quarter way across the ring. Luckily Chris Sabin was doing his thing (something Y2Jericho would do) and immediately sprung up from where he was selling an injury from a previous spot to tackle Blitz off the ropes. The match was saved, and continued on for a few more minutes. Eventually Diablo and Sabin were kicking each other near the title whilst hanging from the ropes. Blitz was getting close, Diablo and Sabin both kick each other off, and Blitz snags the title. All in all, a very good match, and Chris Sabin (who I finally get to see fight and know who he is) really did live up to a lot of the things I have heard of him. |
Angle vs Eddie
My pick: Eddie. HHH vs Michaels vs Benoit My pick: HHH Goldberg vs Lesnar My Pick: double dq Rock n Sock vs Evolution My pick: Evolution Undertaker vs Kane My pick: Undertaker Big Show vs Cena My pick: cena Cruiserweight open My pick: Mysterio Jericho vs Christian My pick: Jericho Molly vs Victoria My pick Victoria And pretty much like everyone else I really don't care about what happens in the tag team matches. |
Little rusty on he predictions but here we go. . .
~DownwardSpiral's WrestleMania XX predictions~ WWE Championship Match : Eddie Guerrero (c) v. Kurt Angle Winner : Eddie with Frog Splash or deceiving referee into thinking Angle cheated. Triple Threat Match - World Heavyweight Championship : Chris Benoit v. Shawn Michaels v. Triple H (c) Winner : Benoit by submission over HBK Goldberg v. Brock Lesnar with Steve Austin as special referee Winner : Austin, even though he's the ref, since both Goldberg and Lesnar are supposed to leave after WMXX, Austin, I think, will give both the Stone Cold Stunner, drink some beer, and walk out 'saluting' the crowd. Rock n' Sock Connection v. Evolution Winners : Rock n' Sock with either People's Elbow on Batista or Mandible Claw on Orton. WWE U.S. Championship Match : John Cena v. Big Show (c) Winner : John Cena with the F-U, new U.S. Champ after this long and boring run of the Big Show. WWE Tag Team Championship Match - Fatal 4 Way : World's Greatest Tag Team v. APA v. Scotty 2 Hotty & Rikishi (c) v. Basham Bros. Winners : I'm going with the APA on this one, although I would rather see the WGTT win, they're the best team out of the four in the match. World Tag Team Match - Fatal 4 Way : Booker T & RVD (c) v. La Resistance v. Mark Jindrak & Garrison Cade v. Dudley Boyz Winners : I think Booker T & RVD will retain the titles. Cruiserweight Open - Chavo Guerrero defends against all Winner : Rey Mysterio, again, 619 and West Coast Pop on Chavo. The Undertaker v. Kane Winner : Undertaker with a Tombstone, keeping his WrestleMania undefeated streak alive. Chris Jericho v. Christian Winner : Christian after Trish provides an unintentional distraction of Jericho. WWE Women's Championship : Molly Holly v. Victoria (c) Winner : Molly, she keeps the hair, Victoria wins the title back in the near future. Playboy Evening Gown Match - Sable & Torrie Wilson v. Miss Jackie and Stacy Keibler Winners : This match is a complete and utter waste of time, but if I must pick a winner of this waste of a match, I say Torrie and Sable with a Sablebomb on Jackie. And there you have it, my predictions for WrestleMania XX, see you after the show Sunday. Until we meet again. . . |
Angle vs Eddie
My pick: Angle HHH vs Michaels vs Benoit My pick: Michaels Goldberg vs Lesnar My Pick: Lesnar (if it's not a double-DQ) Rock n Sock vs Evolution My pick: Evolution Undertaker vs Kane My pick: Undertaker Big Show vs Cena My pick: Cena Cruiserweight open My pick: Mysterio Jericho vs Christian My pick: Jericho Molly vs Victoria My pick Victoria |
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Angle vs Eddie Angle with interferrence from Chavo for some reason they (the WWE and old WCW) just love Chavo vs. Eddie HHH vs. HBK vs. Benoit HBK, HHH will be getting ready to pin HBK Benoit will go to stop it pulling HHH off he'll try to put the cross face on some how HHH will get them both standing but then fall as HBK superkicks "HHH" but hits benoit gets the cover and wins. Monday on Raw HBK loses title to Benoit. (Just don't think HHH wants to drop the belt clean so he can come back after a rest and claim, "he never lost the belt.") BIG TIME PROVISION TO MY PREDICTION........ IF BRET HART APPEARS (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL BUT IF HE DOES AND AS PROVEN MANY TIMES ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN THE WWE) I COULD SEE HIM TAKING DOWN HBK WHILE BENOIT FINISHES OFF HHH Goldberg vs. Lesnar Does it matter they are both gone...... Look for Paul Dangerously to do something to Lesnar and Austin to totally kick Goldberg's ass then claim himself the winner. Rock & Sock vs. Evo look for this to be a very disappointing short match with Orton getting creamed by Foley BUT as it looks like EVO is going to win look for Orton to turn on EVO and saving the win for Foley and Rock. (Orton's going to be a HUGE face after this.) Taker vs. Kane Taker crushes Kane BUT another wrestler from Taker's past plays his music and flashes pics on the screen........ Who could it be...... Hogan, Warrior......... or someone else. Big Show vs. Cena Big Show will drop very short match not much action Cruiserweight Chavo looks to win it but Uncle Eddie get's his revenge leaving Ultimo, Chavo Sr. and Rey in..... Ultimo and Rey beat each other senseless and Chavo Sr. comes out of a corner and wins. Jericho vs. Christian Most obvious and predictable match of the night (and with the lameness of these matches that says something) Jericho's winning, Trish comes out walks over to Jericho and as it looks like she's going to kiss him, she kicks him in the nuts and starts beating him till Christian comes and finishes it...... Christian and Trish then leave kissing and laughing Molly vs. Victoria Victoria Molly saves her hair though Playboy/ evening gown match WHO CARES HAVE A FEELING BOOBIES WILL BE SHOWN AS MCMAHON TRIES TO ONE UP THE SUPER BOWL. |
Angle vs Eddie
Eddie retains, with a psycho Angle beatdown afterwards Winner: Eddie HHH vs Michaels vs Benoit I want Benoit to win, but my mind has been conditioned to believe otherwise. HHH retains. Winner: HHH Goldberg vs Lesnar Tough call, but I say Lesnar Jackhammers Goldberg for the sure-win, but Austin opens the biggest can o whoopass on both guys. Winner: The Audience Rock n Sock vs Evolution I'm not sure how long Mick's going to be in the WWE, so I'll say that Orton pins Rock, pushing him to main event status. Winner: Evolution Undertaker vs Kane Sure-thing would have to be Undertaker, but I'd like to see a swerve of somekind. Maybe have Pete Rose jump out of a coffin with Kane's old mask, but gives Undertaker the Tombstone piledriver. ::shrugs:: Winner: Kane Raw tag team whatever whatever Eh, Dudleyz win. Winner: Who cares. Smackdown tag titles: Best Damn Tag Team Period, baby!! Hass locks in the Hass of Pain on Scotty for the win. Winner(s): World's Greatest Tag Team Big Show vs Cena Big Show's got the respect around the locker room, but Cena needs the big W to really catapult him back into the main event. Cena catches Show with the FU off the top rope, collapsing the ring. Ref still counts it. Winner: Cena Cruiserweight open My man Ultimo has finally made it to Wrestlemania AND Madison Square Garden! Whooo!! He'll probably be eliminated in the first couple of minutes. Rey gives a hard effort, but Chavo Sr. would never let him win. Winner: Chavo (Pepe!!) Jericho vs Christian Christian has become pretty entertaining these past few weeks, but Jericho's the king of bling bling. Smart booking would say that Jericho wins, and swaps spit with Trish at the end. So I also say Trish turns heel and costs Jericho the win. Winner: Christian Molly vs Victoria I think Victoria might like pretty hot bald. Hate to see her losing the title, but it would definetly give her a more psychotic look. Winner: Molly Edit: Playboy Evening Gown Match: I almost forgot about the match. What's even sadder is that I actually went back and added it back in. =( We get a really soft soft softcore romp around the ring, everyone gets stripped, King's head explodes, yadda yadda. Remember the lingerie match between Torrie and Stacy? That was my MOTY candidate, hands, um, down. What was I talking about? Winner: Torrie and Sable. |
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Thats like asking Gail Kim to bench press Rikishi. :D ===== Hopefully this shows up... anyway, I've put everyone's predictions in a table for easy (maybe) viewing. I'll do another one when the winners are determined. If someone gets to it before me, I'm all for it. If someone posts the winners, I'll just insert the table into your post directly. Thoughts = Everyone thinks Cena will win the US Title! WOO!! No one thinks Goldberg will win, but there are people on both sides on the Double DQ and Lesnar endings. Of the six people (at the moment) who predicted, we are split into even thirds on the HHH/HBK/Benoit match. 2 for HHH, 2 for HBK, 2 for Benoit. (One for HBK is a dual ending, depending solely on the appearance of Bret Hart. NOT TEDDY HART) Edit: six = seven. Screw me. We like Mexicans. Only Chavo and Mysterio were predicted to win, the only 2 of our Southern Brothers (by family history/geneology) in the Cruiserweight Open. Some people left out the Tag Team Matches. You will be drugged and pushed into the path of a large angry bull. Of the two people who took the few extra seconds to actually predict the Evening Gown match... We find that no one likes the Raw girls. (Don't ask why this is an ugly jpg file. live with it) :) http://server6.uploadit.org/files/sp...estlemania.jpg I realize I switched the RAW and SD! tag match for my own predictions. I might change it later on if I feel so behooved. |
Lemme add the three matches I didn't.
Booker T/RVD should win their match. Same for The World's Greatest Tag Team. Torrie and Sable, without a doubt (Vince will try to prove that Playboy appearances will move you up the WWE ladder). |
Just want to point something out last minute sorta detail.... I said Orton saves rock and sock and they win not Evo
I just see Orton becoming a face. with the Bret Hart prediction can you imagine the pop and the HUGE press that would bring. Watching Hart come out of nowhere and kick HBK's ass allowing Benoit to win. That would be probably McMahon's greatest achievement right there, and the biggest surprise to hit wrestling since well...... since ever. That's why it won't happen. Everyone would be upstaged by Bret Hart...... BUT that's why Hart would do it..... I'm just a confused puppy on this one. |
Anyone see Angle beating Geurerro, Brock beating Goldberg, then Angle and Brock going at it again? I REALLY hope I'm wrong.
I'll add my picks as I'd like it to turn out. Eddie HHH Goldberg Evolution Taker Shmo Dudleyz APA Y2J Chavo Victoria Torrie and sable |
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Wrestlemania XX
First off all I have to say a lot of matches didn't turn out the way I expected... As always, i'm just giving the match endings.
United States Championship Match John Cena vs. The Big Show Cena grabbed something off the mat and nailed The Big Show in the head with it and then he planted him with a FU and then the pin for the three count to win the United States Championship! Winner: John Cena World Tag Team Championship Match La Resistance vs. The Dudley Boyz vs. Garrison Cade and Mark Jindrak vs. Booker T and Rob Van Dam Winners: Booker T and Rob Van Dam Single’s Match Christian vs Chris Jericho Christian gave Chris Jericho an implant DDT and then he pinned Chris Jericho but only got a two count as Trish Stratus nervously looked on from the ringside area. Christian started to get out of the ring but Trish Stratus climbed to the ring apron and Christian dragged her into the ring by the hair and then tossed her down to the mat. Chris Jericho then Christian a clothesline to the outside of the ring and Jericho went to check on Trish but Trish gave Chris an elbow to the face, thinking it was Christian and then Christian rolled Chris Jericho up for the three count to get the win! Winner - Christian Note on the Aftermath: Trish Stratus looked shocked at what she did and she apologized to Chris Jericho as Chris looked very disappointed. Christian returned to the ring and Chris Jericho tried to get at him but Trish restrained him. Trish Stratus then slapped Chris Jericho in the face and Christian got in the ring and planted Y2J with the Unprettier as the fans heavily booed Trish Stratus right out of Madison Square Garden. Trish Stratus and Christian then left the ring together as Chris Jericho was left laying in the ring. Christian and Trish Stratus went up to the stage and they kissed as Chris Jericho looked on from the ring! Handicap Match Evolution vs. The Rock and Sock Connection Mick Foley planted Orton with a DDT and then he pulled out Mr. Socko and sent Batista down to the arena floor and then he went to put Mr. Socko on Randy Orton but Randy Orton quickly gave Mick Foley the RKO and then he pinned Foley for the three count to pick up the win. Winners - Evolution Playboy Evening Gown Match Sable and Torrie Wilson vs. Miss Jackie and Stacy Keibler Torrie Wilson rolled Miss Jackie up in a pin for the three count to pick up the win. Winners - Torrie Wilson and Sable Cruiserweight Championship Match Cruiserweight Open matches Ultimo Dragon beats Shannon Moore Jamie Noble beats Ultimo Dragon Jamie Noble beats Funaki Jamie Noble beats Nunzio Billy Kidman beats Jamie Noble Rey Mysterio beats Billy Kidman Rey Mysterio beats Tajiri Chavo Guerrero beats Rey Mysterio Winner and still Cruiserweight Champion, Chavo Guerrero Singles Match Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar Referee: Stone Cold Steve Austin Brock Lesnar went for a spear on Goldberg in the corner but Goldberg moved out of the way and Brock hit the ring post and then Goldberg nailed Lesnar with a spear. Goldberg then picked Lesnar up and gave him the jack hammer and a pin for the three count to pick up the win! Winner - Goldberg WWE Tag Team Championship Match Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin vs. the Basham Brothers vs. The APA vs. Scotty 2 Hotty and Rikishi Bradshaw gave Danny Basham the Clothesline from Hell and then he went for it on Rikishi but Rikishi caught Bradshaw with the Samoan drop. Rikishi then sat down on Danny Basham to pin him for the three count to retain the Tag Team Titles! Winners: Scotty 2 Hotty and Rikishi Women's Championship Match Hair vs. Title Referee: Jack Doan Molly Holly vs. Victoria Molly went for the Widow's Peak on Victoria but Victoria countered it into a back slide and then a pin for the three count to pick up the win! Winner and still Women's Champion, Victoria WWE Heavyweight Championship Match Kurt Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero With Kurt Angle on the arena floor, the fans heavily chanted "Eddie, Eddie" and while Eddie Guerrero untied his boot. Kurt Angle got back in the ring and put Eddie in the ankle lock and Eddie kicked the boot off. While Kurt had the boot in his hand he charged at Eddie and Eddie rolled him up to pin him for the three count to retain the title! Winner and still WWE Heavyweight Champion, Eddie Guerrero Singles Match Kane vs. the Undertaker Note on the beginning: Kane's music hit in the arena and he made his way out to the ring and this is a one on one match with Kane against his very own brother who he buried alive at the Survivor Series last year, the Undertaker! After Kane got in the ring, the lights went out and we heard Paul Bearer's voice say "Ohhhhh yes!" Paul Bearer then came out with an urn in hand, followed by some druids and the arena filled up with smoke and Paul Bearer stood at ringside to await the return of the Undertaker. The Undertaker made his way out to the ring, using his old school Undertaker music, wearing a long trench coat and the fans were well behind the Undertaker as he made his way to the ring. The Ending: The Undertaker grabbed Kane by the throat and planted him with a choke slam of his own and then the Undertaker signaled for the finish and the Undertaker lifted Kane up and finished him with the tombstone piledriver to pick up the win! Winner - the Undertaker World Heavyweight Championship Match Triple Threat Match Chris Benoit vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H Benoit then turned around and Triple H went for the Pedigree but Chris Benoit was able to counter it into the Crippler Crossface to a huge pop from the crowd in New York City and Triple H reached to get to the ropes but was unable to get to the ropes and Triple H tried to counter the Crossface but Benoit held onto it and the crowd was WELL BEHIND Chris Benoit at this point. Chris Benoit finally forced Triple H to tap out to the Crippler Crossface and we have a new World Heavyweight Champion! Winner and new World Heavyweight Champion, Chris Benoit ===== meanspleen edit: I said I would do it, and I am... 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Pretty decent for a WWE PPV, but a MAJOR letdown as Wreslemania's come. Some thoughts:
John Cena vs. The Big Show They put this as the curtain jerker? Not too bad of a match. Can't wait to see if they follow up with a big "WORD" dent in Big Show's noggin. World Tag Team Championship Match Really quick match. Some decent action, but nothing enough to really get into. Jindrak and Cade were useless here. Christian vs Chris Jericho Nice match. I thought Trish's turn was done pretty well. I don't know why they did it, but it done the right way. That didn't make any sense. Evolution vs. The Rock and Sock Connection Highlight of the match: Ric Flair doing the people's elbow. Seriously, Flair was DA man tonight, totally upstaging Rock. The finish came out of nowhere. Playboy Evening Gown Match Not too bad, but this was no Trish vs Stacy lingerie match. Cruiserweight Open Interesting setup to the matches. Like a cruiser tourney in fast forward. I would have liked a big 10 man elimination spot fest, but this was still lots of fun. Ultimo: get a shorter cape. =( Goldberg vs Lesnar Whoa. Totally surreal. Crowd was all over Lesnar and Goldberg. Chanting "You Sold Out," or "This Match Sucks," and the obligatory "Boring" chants. The finish totally sucked. They could have accomplished the same in 5 minutes, and save some face as well. WWE Tag Team Championship Match I think this went better than the World tag match, but still nothing special. Women's Championship Match Aw, Victoria wasn't wearing her butt shorts this time. Oh well. During the chase scene my friends and I were singing the Benny Hill theme. Nice touch withe the Barber giving Molly the broken pair of shavers, giving Victoria enough time to get the upper hand. I can't believe they actually spent time filming the whole entire shaving. WWE Heavyweight Championship Match Awesome match. Weird psychology going on, with moving from the midsection to the finish with the ankle lock. But an awesome match from top to bottom. Eddie has the greatest facial expressions. Kane vs. the Undertaker Great touch when Kane's pyro went off, the cityscape in the background was on fire. A pretty dissapointing match, however. It was looking good with Paul Bearer and the druids coming out, but then Undertaker came out looking like a cowboy rather than the dead man. He didn't really change anything except his music, and a new cowboy hat. He didn't even have the drawn on "tear" under his eye! Waaaah. World Heavyweight Championship Match This was one of those moments where I'm proud to be a wrestling fan. Great emotion from the crowd, fantastic finish. There were so many BELIEVABLE near falls, and that's what really made this match. MOTY candidate all the way! |
Wow. I can't believe HHH lost his belt.. Especially with he tension between Michaels and Benoit. I was so pissed when it turned into a 3 way because I thought HHH would never lose a triple threat. It's hard to believe that I pretty much like everyone that's got a belt right now. I guess Vince is going to bring back the WCW brand and give HHH the WCW belt... That's why he lost. Fucker.
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I thought it was a pretty well rounded show. Some definate suprises... the trish/jerico angle in particular. wasn't expecting trish to turn. It was also nice to see rock and foley put over evolution. I am looking forward to raw tomorrow.
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It was a good show, fewer suprises, and no suprise fighters like last year (a la Roddy Piper) . The Heavyweight title match was a suprise, didn't think HHH would give it up by tap out. And it was cool to see Paul Bearer again.
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Personally it was a fun show. But few questions stick out in my minde
1)Is Christian about to get a big push as a heel now... 2)Why did they let Foley lose? (Flair was awesome :) ) 3) OMG, how did they talk HHH into tapping out for Beniot (Plz don't let those WCW rumors be true 4) Is the WWE going to make the Undertaker look more like the old Deadman? I mean the promos for the match showed his old attire after all... And his hat, :lol: |
i found Wrestlemania entertaining. A little disappointed in the reappearance of the old Undertaker - his entrance was too bland.
i guess the WWE, for the most part, wants to push its new talent. Overall, the new talent won over the old last night. Does anyone find the new generation of wrestlers to be a bit on the bland side? they have no personality or real showmanship. Maybe that's why i don't follow WWE that much anymore. |
oh and another thing.. about that Evening gown match. Since when did Stacey Kiebler pose for PB??
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Overall a good night. It isn't often I fall for the swerves but I actually didn't see Foley puting Orton over yet. I also never thought Vinnie Mac would ever have Benoit and Guerrero as champs at the same time--totally marked out over the Benoit win [fist marlk out moment in a long, long time].
Some of the early matches were a little flat and I expected some more surprises with it being such a hyped event--but overall the Guerrero and Benoit wins were worth the price of admission...plus Trish is way HOTTER as a HEEL! |
Did HHH truly tap out or was it Benoit saying Fuck YOU HHH and not releasing. You watch that and it looks like HHH is biting the hell out of Benoit's hand, even drawing blood. I can't imagine that if that were the true ending HHH would do that.
As for the "newer talent" I have a feeling Vince is going to try them out and see what happens. The product was getting stale and predictable. I also think that should the new talent fail Vince will go back fast to the old guys. |
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That guy would never work again. I commend HHH for putting the belt on someone else. Succeed or fail, at least we'll know if Benoit can carry it well. |
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Either way though, if Chris did do that, he is going to lose his title ASAP and probably fired. He will also have the undying love of all the internet community (as if he didn't already have it). |
So Vince made a pretty big announcement on Raw tonight. Next Monday, all the Raw and Smackdown talent will be entered into a lottery and the rosters will be re-drafted.
The rosters are in desperate need of a shakeup, and completely overhauling both brands provides a whole bunch of opportunities for fresh storylines. Although it could kill other ones, what do you think the chances are that Jericho, Christian and Trish will all end up on one show, or HBK, HHH, and Benoit? (pretty good I guess, given how 'random' this lottery'll be) I'm wondering what this'll do to the titleholders on both brands. Would titles be brought over or vacated if a wrestler with a belt switches shows? This could be a big opportunity for guys like Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas to develop a little individuality and pursue singles careers. It could also just be a way for Vince to force feed us HHH on a Thursday night.... how refreshing. |
It's certainly gonna be interesting to see how the "Lottery" is gonna pan out, especially 1 week after WM? It's gonna piss a lot of peoples off if they strip everyone of their titles and re-arrange the rosters, and the people at home that spent 50 bucks to watch Benoit win the title only to have it stripped and put back on HHH a week later.
Let's hope that Vinnie Mac doesn't blow this one. Maybe when they are announcing the "Lottery" picks, Shane will come out with his own picks for ECW???? I'm kinda glad to see Brock leave only because I think the WWE burned his character out big time. How many times can you squash every wrestler on the roster? "He's a monster!!!" is all they can say? He's the WWE's Bill Goldberg back in WCW days. This unproven guy walks in and cleans up the entire roster and then the character just fades out. Sucks. Let's hope that the Jericho/Trish/Christian thing gets a lot of work. I think this could be a good one. One more thing... Don't knock Stacy at the Playboy match, Miss Jackie is a waste of WWE's time and $$$. I don't like her. Now that Brock is gone, I wonder what's gonna happen to Sable? Brock is the reason she was getting such a push and airtime (Being his GF and all) Interesting times... |
i thought stacy was entertaining in the playboy match.. Miss jackie and torrie weren't bad either.. how come sable didn't do anything?? she just made her little announcement at the beginning and then disappeared till the match was over!
and back to my original question - since when did Stacey pose for playboy?? i did a search but coulnd't find anything.. |
I heard Sable is having a problem with her implants. I guess one of them is leaking and they didn't want to agitate it. Stacy never posed for playboy
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Was I the only one disappointed that nobody got fully stripped in a match with the Playboy label on it? True, the match was decent, but I was expecting alot more...like boobs, for example. :)
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Spleens take on the lottery -
1) Its going to be fixed. I mean seriously, there is no way that VinnieMac is going to risk his product by having a purely random lottery to decide where each wrestler goes. The rosters are probably already finalized, and they are just using the lottery as a way to make it look interesting, while at the same time giving an answer as to why each wrestler was placed on which show. 2) Be only concerned with the major players (big shmo included), and about half of the mid-card talent. For the most part, people don't care what show Spike Dudley, or Test will be on. They just don't matter. They will both probably remain on RAW, because the writers don't have anything to do with them on either show. The main-eventers will be split up, and regrouped, to even out the 'star' power on the brands. Mid-carders will be brought up, to fill in the holes. 3) I expect the major stables/storylines to remain TOGETHER, although they might end up on different shows. Evolution won't be split up, because VinnieMac and HHH has too much riding on its success. However, due to recent news (Flair major injury, HHH off to do some more movie work, leaving only Batista and Orton), there is a good chance that the Evolution tag will be reformed. Bring some new people in and make a new story. Say good bye to the FBI. Trish/Y2J/Christian, is arguably, the most entertaining storyline in the WWE at the moment. The company brass most likely realize this, and will not split up the three. 4) Don't expect to many changes in the womans division, and the cruiserweight division. There isn't enought to spread around. 5) I feel the biggest changes will occur in the Tag division. All the teams have feuded with their respective brands rivals, and are in dire need of new competition. I want to see The Worlds Greatest Tag Team take on some new teams, like Rene Dupree vs Shelton Benjamin (with Charlie Haas and Rob Conway/Sylvan Grenier doing whatever they do) Thats about it... pretty much all I can think of for now. I kind of wish that the Womans division would be switched to Smackdown and the Cruiserweights to go onto RAW. SD! editing would make the womans matches more entertaining by removing some of the boring spots (although it would also edit out any chances of me seeing a Victoria boob slip). I'm sure by now the Cruiserweights can hold their own in a Live taping. Besides... if the women get switched to SD, then V1 Hardy will go there as well (Lita) and he'll have some more airtime and a storyline. Something he's been missing ever since he got put on RAW. |
Are they excluding the current champions on each brand, or are they up for the lottery as well?
It would totally suck to have Benoit moved back to Smackdown, and stripped of his title. ::shudder:: Of course, the lottery's going to be as random as the Raw Roulette. |
The Current Champions are up for the lottery, but most likely the champions will keep their respective titles, and some how stay on their current brands. The only thing I can see POSSIBLY happening to the current champions, is to just switch their show. Benoit to Smackdown, Eddie to Raw, or something like that.
It just isn't good business to strip the current champions and have handouts/battle royals/misc title matches. |
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That said, I agree with much of what you say about the lottery. My biggest concerns are losing some of the cruiserweihghts from that mix and a bad mix of women wherever the belt resides [last thing I want is a Stacy vs. Tori championship match while Molly, Victoria, Trish and Ivory sit on the side]. I think the best thing that will come of this is tht fact that some of the mid- and high-mid carders will start getting legit shots at main eventing. |
Here's a really interesting-yet-unlikely event about the champions...imagine that; what if they ended up on the same show? They've been in the same promo and celebrated together at WM20, so that could make for the start of something. Plus, champion VS champion and both champions are loved by many...there's a chance that they could wind up on the same show. The only thing that'd be wrong is that it would screw up the other show pretty bad.
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One thing I have noticed: The champs have YJ Stinger commercials (Guererro, Cena, Triple H until he lost). And Jericho just had one on tonight...maybe they're starting to push him again.
BTW, Heyman officially announced Brock was gone tonight, in case someone didn't know. ;) |
Maybe there is gonna be a title match to combine the 2 titles again! Like they did earlier with the "undisputed" or what ever it was that Jericho won?
That would be cool to see if they actually did it right` |
I was just thinking it would be cool if Jericho would win the "undisputed" title again. Even if for only a short time.
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I wished that they kept the Undisputed Championship and the Champion "brand-less," and have him fight both Raw and Smackdown challengers. That way the winner of the Royal Rumble would fight for the Ultimate title at Wrestlemania, and there would be one true main event instead of 2. They had it right in the beginning, but when they demoted it down to the "WWE title," it was just another hunk of leather and gold.
I mean, I understand the reasoning for having the two brand champions, but I think they missed out on something truly unique. |
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You do realize that RAW is taped on Mondays, and Smackdown is taped on Tuesdays, right? So the champion has less that 24 hours to prepare for 2 main event-ish matches. It is kind of a strain on the wrestler. Includes travel time.
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I think that is why there is talk of bringing back the WCW and ECW brands. To loosen up the belt problem, so that WCW and ECW would be "minor league champs" yet have strength to them and the WWE would be the "major league" where the WCW and ECW champs would aspire to.
What I see happening Monday is Steph and Bischoff conspiring to form their own WCW. They'll interupt the "lottery" and offer wrestlers a "true choice" and we'll see some leave and go with them. I think some true big names of course but some will go that will totally shock people, like maybe Benoit and HBK. This will fire McMahon up and we'll see a "Monday Night War: part 2" which is what they need to inspire some freshness into the whole industry. (Perhaps even TNT, TBS or USA will be involved) Paul E and Shane eventually will do the same with ECW. Let's face it wrestling's glory days were during the Monday night wars. The new DVD/PPV that rehashes it shows how vividly alive the shows were. Vinny's not stupid he is a marketing genius, so I think even he knows that something like this is needed. Because there's no competition and the people aren't getting into it like they did. What would be better than seeing the old Monday night wars take over again. Each show trying to out do the other. Each trying to sign and convert the others talent. Then again McMahon's ego is such he would never let WCW or ECW truly get anywhere. |
Farrooq or however you spell it has been released from his WWE contract, for all of you that may care.
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I'll miss Farrooq; I never cared for his wrestling talent, but there was always an attitude about him that screamed out "bad-ass". Plus, I respect the years he's put into the sport...it's a shame Bradshaw got to shine more than Farrooq though.
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I thought it was all a work. :( |
Man, that's a damn shame that Farooq's gone! I'll miss the APA.
I'm especially curious to see what goes down on Raw tomorrow night. It would be great to see a return of the WCW and ECW brands, but I doubt it will happen. |
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Drug problem? In the word of Farrooq..."damn". WAY too many wrestlers have been involved with drugs.
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Would be cool if Farooq was the 1st new wrestler in the "new WCW" that I think should get developed tonight after the "draft"
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What are some of your thoughts on the draft so far? I guess with Heyman "quitting," that leaves it open for Steph to come back on tv (oh yay). To me the biggest shock had to be Shelton Benjamin. I'm not sure how well Hass will do on his own. And what was the point of puting Edge in the draft, when they already announced that he was coming back to RAW during Wrestlemania?
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Because you are expected to return to the same brand that you were on when you got injured. By being put into the draft, and making the change public, people won't be confused.
===== Happy about these moves: 1) Shelton Benjamin - Cmon, you know why. Its his time to shine. 2) Rene Dupree - Lets see him in some singles action as well. He's a great talent. 3) HHH - I think he's better suited for Smackdown. ===== Remember, the shows can still make trades, so nothing is definite yet. ===== You know... after watching the SD! and RAW brawl, I could only think of TWO things. 1) OMG. THE GANGS OF NEW YORK. -and- 2) OMG. THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS ARE FIGHTING AGAIN. |
Well the WWE is saying a new GM will be named for Smackdown tomorrow. Perhaps it's Steph, perhaps it's Shane, hell they may even give it to Teddy Long for a while, lol.
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meh... this RAW was a dissapointment to me. Almost fell asleep a few times.
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I enjoyed it. Looks like Heyman will be freed up to start up the new ECW now. Lots of tag teams broken up too, should make for interesting new pairings and some new flavor in the singles division. Loved the brawl too, would have liked to see more.
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I'm sure SD will have added highlights of the brawl after Raw went dark.
I was wrong about WCW but Boba pointed out with Heyman leaving like he did and calling SD "Paul Heyman's SD", it does leave an opening for Heyman doing something. I honestly believe there will be another Monday night or Thursday night show (albeit for a short time perhaps) running against the WWE program. There just are just so many possibilities with that scenario, I would be disappointed not to see it happen. |
mmmm..Steph. Can't wait to see what the plastic surgeons done this time... ;)
The draft itself was kind of boring. One interesting part (IMHO) was putting HHH on SmackDown. With the ongoing story line of him and Shawn Michaels, mabey they're trying to increase the cross promotional stuff again? The end of show brawl kinda runs in that direction too (RAW vs. SmackDown). |
After the brawl was cleared, Big Show and Kane were left standing in the ring and Stone Cold stunned them both. Then Stone Cold and Benoit drank some beers. So nothing too exciting.
Did anyone see the fan jump in the ring during the HHH and Guerrero match? |
Only because WWE.com told me so:
1) KURT ANGLE is the new (most likely interim) GM of Smackdown. 2) HHH is BACK on RAW. 3) Chuck Palumbo and A-Train are on Raw. Jackie and Rico are on Smackdown. 4) Dudley Boyz and Booker T are on Smackdown (as part of the HHH trade). ===== My thoughts - BLAH. Screw it. I must say though, HHH's spit-take on RAW when his name was announced was one of the best I've seen. :D ;) |
Do they just enjoy jerking us around?
Why have HHH jump to Smackdown....for 24 hours? What's the point? I like the draft to give other people opportunities and start new fueds, but a change of scenery is just what HHH needs. Why tease us with a good thing? |
I'm just relieved to hear that Steph wasn't put back in charge of Smackdown with HHH as the champ. Anything is better than that.
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I was upset that RVD got traded away and that HHH is back on RAW, but other than that I was pretty happy with the draft.
So you know, I can't get UPN, so RAW's the show I'm rooting for here. |
I think having the HHH tease was just a way to have an Eddie Guerrero vs. HHH match. If he wasn't branded for SD!, the match probably never would have happened. Especially when/if Eddie loses the belt and, due to WWE's typical writing team, he falls back into the Mid-Card.
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My thoughts on the draft....snooze.
Really, who the hell cares about Theodore Long, or which side Spike is on? Only six picks per side? That hardly changes anything. Sure they can keep some current fueds going, but they could have created a whole lot more interesting ones with more changes. And they needed to break up Evolution. Having HHH back to RAW right away is terrible. |
Keeping HHH on Raw leaves the option of the Orton vs HHH match still in the works for later :) (Still I was shocked when he got drafted in the first place)
As for the ECW thing, i'm betting Paul Heyman gets a role as a manger for a while just to leave the door open for the ECW spin off later. Everything I've read so far says the ECW idea is still on the back burner and Vince can't choose where he wants to have the spin off or not. |
I think someone from Evolution should have been brought to Smackdown. Most notible, take away their powerhouse Batista and let him flourish or fail on Smackdown on his own.
HHH's reaction when he was picked was PRICELESS though. :lol: |
Man, it woulda been nice to see Batista go to Smackdown!, especially since HHH didn't. Too bad that won't be happening afterall.
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Well, so much for Triple HHH on Smackdown. Booker turning heel was kind of a suprise. Looks like he's going to be Eddie's new opponent, now that Brock's gone & Angle's.....GM??
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So I'm guessing Bradshaw's working as Angle's financial advisor/ special enforcer. Or at least that's what I hope his new gimmick is. I really hope his run in on Guerrero doesn't mean a Bradshaw main-event push.
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Finally got a chance to watch Snoozedown. Jeez, don't make the Smackdown stars look inferior to RAW or nothing. It was beginning to look like all the RAW trades were going to win all the matches.
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Didn't they try to give Brad$haw a main-event push on RAW right after the brand split? It sucked then, and it'll suck now. |
No comment on the draft. Sucks for Smackdown, sucks for RAW.
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I believe they gave Bradshaw a mini-push on RAW while Farooq was out with an injury, but they really didn't add anything to Bradshaw's character for the push. He was just one half of the APA, and that's why his first push failed. |
Yep, but now he's just one half of a tag-team that got stale.
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Sooo, small update:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...41austin1.html If you haven't heard, "Stone Cold" Steve "Austin" got a complaint against him last week for assaulting his girlfriend (where have I heard this before?) Details at the smoking Gun link above. |
Yep, and he's still in the company this time; WWE got lucky last time he did it because he was outside of company contract, at least. This could bring some backlash to the WWE.
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Is it just me or is the next PPV starting to look like WMXX v.2.0? Rematches between Jericho/Christian, and ANOTHER three way match between Benoit, Michaels and HHH? They could have at least saved it for a few months down the line. Maybe have a singles match between Benoit and Michaels for a bit, then save the three way for HHH return from Hollywood.
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Did anyone else REALLY enjoy RAW tonight? I thought it was the best show they have put out in months (which I know, isn't saying much).
The action AND comeday was continuous throughout the show. Flair was simply awesome on the mic and in the ring. Who else marks out when after getting chopped repeatidly in the corner Flair walks to the center of the ring and falls flat on his face? I really liked the upset Victories by Tajiri and Benjamin. I think I can speak for use all when I say I was expecting the usual run of the mill early offenense by Tajiri, quickly countered by a choke slam and easy win for Kane. It's nice to get some matches that have.... dare I say............... unpredictable endings? Wow... what a concept. |
I was actually at the taping for RAW, and I loved it! I forgot to tape it, to check the differences, so when did it go off the air? Did it end with HHH looking shocked after the loss?
Because if it did, you missed HHH and Flair calling Benjamin back into the ring, and Benjamin calling HHH "Toucan Sam". The crowd loved it! Then Stone Cold came out, stunnered everyone, and drank about 30 beer with Lilian and Benjamin. Great ending!! |
I think Shelton Benjamin was quite impressive in his match with Triple H.
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That match was really impressive. I think that Benjamin will be around for a while.
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They are definately gearing up for a push with Benjamin. I didn't think that match was that great though. HHH was pretty much his bitch the whole time. I would have liked to see some more back and forth personally.
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God damn. What have I been saying this entire time? Haven't I said that Shelton Benjamin is freakin awesome? How many here thought I was crazy? (Ignoring the fact that a few others hold Shelton in as high regard as I do)
:D Score one for the Spleen. ===== Crap. As long as I'm here, might as well update my Top 5 Fave WWE Wrestlers List. All those on my list are a combination of Great Wrestling and Great Performing (acting/promos/character development/etc) 1) V1 Hardy - Even though he got shafted when he moved to RAW, he's still one of the best workers/performers on either roster 2) Y2J - COME ON. Who doesn't like him!? 3) Shelton Benjamin - Still on the list, ain't leaving. 4) Rene Dupree - Suprised? First time on the list, but I've mentioned him before as one of the ones who ALMOST made it on the list. He still has a great look, and a large dose of skills. Especially when compared to others of his size. 5) The Hurricane - From 1st to 5th. He really (and I agree finally) needs a new gimmick or something. A storyline would be nice. Others: Kurt Angle ISN'T on the list for now. He's not actively wrestling Benoit - I just realized that he doesn't look good wearing the title belt. JOKING - I'm waiting for more character development Christian - Even though I'm one of his peeps, there just isn't room on the list for him when compared to the others. |
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