NBC's New "HEROES" TV Show
 

I am soooooo looking foward to this. It seems they are taking a serious/realistic approach to how superpowered people would be percieved in today's society. Just from watching the few video previews and reading what information has already been released, to me it seems to have a "Lost", "Unbreakable", and "Rising Stars" feel to it. I really hope NBC gives it a chance.

I heard the Pilot was already leaked on the internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_%28TV_series%29

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0813715/

http://tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb;_ylt=AsVk...&id=1809428999&

They have a pretty nice official website;
http://heroes.nbc.com/

http://www.nbc.com/NBC_First_Look/Heroes/
(includes video preview)

NETWORK:NBC

SHOW DESCRIPTION:

This one-hour drama chronicles the lives of ordinary people who find out they have some extraordinary abilities. After a total eclipse, a genetics professor -- whose father recently went missing -- uncovers a theory regarding people with superhuman powers. Elsewhere, a young man tries to convince his politician brother he can fly, a teenage girl finds she's totally indestructible, a Vegas showgirl discovers that her mirror image is a separate being and a gift artist (struggling with a drug addiction) can paint the future. Ultimately, this disparate group of folks will be asked to save the world.

Synopsis

The drama tells the story of people who "thought they were like everyone else... until they woke with incredible abilities".[1] A Japanese salaryman discovers that he can manipulate time and space. A struggling New York artist can paint the future but only whilst he is using heroin. A discontented police officer in Los Angeles can hear the thoughts of others. A high school cheerleader discovers she recovers from any injury and a single mom realizes she has "a powerful alter ego". The premise is that these people have a role in "saving humankind".

According to the NBC website,[1] not only do the characters discover what having superpowers means to them, but also uncover a larger picture of the origin of their superpowers. The characters eventually become involved in each other's lives as they attempt to evade the series antagonist. The antagonist wishes to harness their "super DNA" for his own ends. Together, they must find a way to save the world.[2]

BRIEF HISTORY:

"Heroes" is executive produced by creator/writer Tim Kring ("Crossing Jordan"), Dennis Hammer ("Crossing Jordan") and David Semel ("House").

STARS:

Santiago Alvarez as Isaac Mendez
Tawny Cypress as Simone Deveraux
Greg Grunberg as Matt Parkman
Ali Larter as Niki Sanders
Masi Oka as Hiro Nakamura
Adrian Pasdar as Nathan Petrelli
Hayden Panettiere as Claire Bennet
Sendhil Ramamurthy as Mohinder Suresh
Leonard Roberts as D.L. Hawkins
Milo Ventimiglia as Peter Petrelli

I saw a short clip of this at Best Buy. It had Hayden Panettiere as a cheerleader who was helping the victims of a train wreck. It was kind of weird, because she made sure that someone got her on film saving the people in the wreck - as if she wanted everyone to know she had superpowers. She pulled people out of the train wreckage while her cheerleading outfit was on fire, sticking to her. I was like uhh ouch? until I realized it was the Heroes TV show.

Cool, if this show gets popular, we'll get more supers shows :thumbsup:

I went to college with Leonard Roberts

Well, it's a show that's certainly caught my attention. It remains to be seen whether it will hold it.

Heroes, just so you know, that's not an easy job. You've got your work cut out.

I saw the pilot this morning. It's really good. All the characters come from different walks of life, and have a very different idea as to what their gifts are. For those who know how to download torrents, you can find the pilot available online. If not, then you'll be waiting until the 25th of this month :p

i was bored and wrote detailed spoilers for the first half of the pilot episode if anyone is interested...

Spoiler:

The series starts of with a brief introduction;

[quote]In recent days, a seemingly random group of individuals has emerged with what can only be described as "special abilities". Although unaware of it now, these individuals will not only save the world, but change it forever. This transformation from ordinary to extraordinary will not occur overnight. Every story has a beginning. Volume One of their epic tale begins here...[quote]

The first scene begins with a voice over of Mohinder Suresh, an Indian Teacher of Genetics. Mohinder discusses the meaning of life and human nature. During the voice over we see Peter Petrelli standing on the ledge of a building preparing to take a step off an dive into the air. Peter fall head first in slow motion until right before he hits the ground everything turns black and he sees his brother's face then wakes up.

Next scene, Peter wakes up in a home located Manhattan, Central Park West. Enter through the doorway, the sexy hottt African American babe, Simone Deveaux. Simone inquires about her father who is dying. Peter is a male nurse who attends to the elderly who are near death. Peter seems to be the sincere, compassionate, sensitive type. Simone mentioned that Peter is like a son to her father and Peter replies that it make her his sister and then it would be awkward if he ever wanted to ask her out. She's flattered but she has a boyfriend. He realizes how inappropriate that statement was and quickly apologizes. Simone gives Peter a once over look as he attends her father. Definitely some sexual chemistry there...

Next scene, we find ourselves in Madras, India (3 days ago) listening to a lecture from Mohinder Suresh about evolution. Mohinder starts discussing the possibility of humans evolving and the possibility of special abilities. The class ends and Mohinder chats with his colleague, Nerod (sp?) about his father and his father's work. Apparently the college has fired his father for teaching the same theories. A somber Nerod informs Mohinder that his father is dead. Mohinder's father was apparently killed while driving a cab in Queens, New York City where Mohinder's father believes Patient Zero for the next step in evolution will be located. Mohinder has just spoken to his father two days ago. Mohinder claims that his father informed him that he was being followed, and that someone was trying to steal his work. Mohinder believes that his father died because of his theories. Mohinder is going to New York to recover his father’s research. Mohinder voices his dedication to finishing what his father started... Mohinder enters a doorway in Madras and we cut into a new scene.

Next scene, Mohinder enters the doorway of his father's New York apartment. (Btw, nice seg-way into the new scene) Mohinder notices a pair of thick eye glasses on a pile of opened books. Rummaging through his father's notes we see files on human flight potential, rapid cellular regeneration, teleportation, etc. We see a picture of Mohinder and his father who apparently does not wear eye glasses, especially heavy prescription. While messing around with some notes his father has pinned on a large world map hung on the wall a cell phone rings in the next room. A tall man in a trench coat, unaware of Mohinder, answers the phone and speaks. Trench coat man says that the father left everything behind but the computer and that they should bring a team in to tag and bag everything. (it sounds like police detective or FBI lingo to me...) Mohinder starts quickly gathering notes, taking a couple of pictures of the maps with various pins stuck in them. Mohinder takes a moment to make sure to remove the pin stuck on the New York location, then quickly exits. Trench coat guy walks back into the Map room and picks up his glasses. Cut to next scene.

Scene opens to stripper music and a hot blonde, Niki Sanders, displaying a little scantily clad TnA for an internet linked tri-pod camera somewhere in Las Vegas, Nevada. ((OMG I wanna drink tequila (patron silver) shots off that belly button!!!)) After a few minutes of teasing an alarm goes off. Niki throws on a robe, (((Why God Why!!!)) goes over to her laptop, and enters “times up” under the alias XXXNikki4u in a message chat window. A reply from Huggerz69 states “Little more. Please.”. Niki responds, “It’ll cost you another 39 bucks”. Huggerz69 promptly replies,”BITCH!”. Niki verbally replies “Pervert.”, and shuts off her computer. Eerie music starts to play. Niki walks past a mirror, stops in place, and then looks around as if someone is watching her… Niki walks into another room and loudly announces “time to get up Mica”. Niki walks into a back bedroom obviously belonging to a child. The room is empty and the window left open. Eerie music intensifies. Niki raises her voice calling for Mica and storms out of the bedroom, her reflection in the bedroom mirror pauses momentarily then follows. Niki finds Mica (played by child piano prodigy turned actor Noah Gray-Cabey) in the kitchen building a new logic board for his computer. Upset with Mica Niki warns him not to do that again, he needs to be careful, and not to talk to any strangers. Mica is obviously a child prodigy. Niki notices another of Mica’s projects. Mica explains it’s a school project; it’s for viewing the eclipse that happens later that day. Niki tries to rush Mica to get ready for school. Mica chastises his mom because he’s dressed, and already made and packed his lunch. “What have you been doing all morning?” Mica sarcastically replies. Niki tells him not to get smart with her, that she has been working to pay bills. “Yeah, that’s why they turned off our gas again?” retorts Mica. The door bell rings. Niki tells Mica to get his stuff and wait by the back door. Niki peaks out the window and notices two menacing looking guys at the door, one of them putting on gloves. Niki grabs Mica and heads out the back. Apparantly, Niki was expecting a visit from these guys because she parked on street behind her house. The two thugs break down the door as Niki speeds away in her P.o.S. car that almost doesn’t start, and blows a lot of smoke out the back. End Scene.

Scene opens in Odessa, Texas with a video camera background. ((*note camera timer is at 47 minutes meaning that 46 minutes of video footage has already been used…)) The camera focuses on a Blonde haired cheerleader running up a mill chute about 70-80 feet off the ground. The cheerleader asks if the camera is ready. An unseen teenage boy operating the camera provides some narration. The cheerleader jumps off the ledge and falls to the ground. Camera boy freaks and rushes to where she landed. The cheerleader awkwardly gets up, pops her obviously dislocated shoulder back into place, looks into the camera and states “This is Claire Bennet and that was attempt number 6. End scene.

The scene opens with soaring music as the camera point of view flies over and through the buildings of New York. Cut into scene the noise of a loud bus braking at a red light which wakes up Peter Petrelli who was daydreaming in a cab. We see a picture of Nathan Petrelli (Peter’s brother) who is running for Congress. Peter exits the cab and enters the campaign office of his brother Nathan, who is running late for a fund raiser. Peter tells Nathan that it has happened to more times. Peter tell Nathan that sometimes he dreams he is falling and sometimes he is flying and sometimes Nathan is in them. Nathan is busy and in a hurry and doesn’t want to hear it. Peter swears it’s not just dreams and that this morning when he got out of bed his foot just hovered for a split second before hitting the ground, like he was floating. Peter tells Nathan that he thinks he can fly. Nathan laughs and tells him to try jumping of the Brooklyn Bridge and see what happens. Peter suggests starting with something a little lower, like learning to walk. Once Nathan realizes that Peter is serious he tells Peter to snap out of it, go see a doctor, get some drugs, but do not pull a Roger Clinton on him because Nathan is 8 points down in the polls. Peter exclaims that isn’t about Nathan, it’s about him. Peter feels that something is happening to him and Nathan will be the only one to understand. Nathan gives Peter an agitated look and replies, “Why do you think I would understand that you could fly?”. “Because you’re my brother!”, Peter says. Nathan’s cell phone rings. It’s their mother; she is calling from jail for shoplifting. Peter and Nathan get in a cab, and then make their way to the jail. End scene.

New scene opens with Claire Bennet (the Texas high school senior cheerleader) walking down a country road with a geeky looking teenage boy who is reviewing the footage he just filmed a little while ago. Claire announces that she is depressed. The boy asks why. Other than nearly “fudging” himself, that was the single coolest thing to happen to this town in a hundred years. “Not if nobody finds out, it’s not”, replies Claire. The boy asks her, “why did you want me to tape it?” Claire informs the boy that she has her reasons. The boy still can’t believe that she asked him to video tape her because she had stopped talking to him since the sixth grade. “It’s safer this way”, Claire responds. He believes that Claire chose him because he is so unpopular that if he did tell, which he wouldn’t, that no one would believe him. The boy tells Claire that it’s not like she wouldn’t be popular anymore. Claire freaks out on him, claiming that her life is over, and she is a freak show. The boy thinks Claire is a little dramatic. Claire goes off on him again, explaining the multiple attempts she has tried to harm herself but can’t. Clair has broken every bone in her body, stabbed herself in the chest, put a 2’ steel rod through her neck, and she doesn’t have a scratch on her. The boy notices something poking out of the side of her shirt. Claire lifts her shirt to see some bloody rib bones poking out. Claire shoves the bones back in, and the wound rapidly heals itself over. Claire makes the boy give her the video tape. The boy offers to give Claire a ride on his handle bars. Claire gives him a look that implies “you have got to be joking”. And tells him no thanks then walks away. Feeling bad she turns around and promises to talk to him in front of people at school the next day. A fire truck blares it’s horn and heads down the road. Another truck coming from the opposite direction with A & I Transportation (hard to tell, could be wrong) with a Texas state logo painted on the side door. As the truck passes by, the back flaps open and two men in black masks can be seen holding onto some sort of tank (with a serial number I think) loaded in the back of the truck. ((I missed that part the first time I watched it.)) Scene fades to black.

Scene opens in Tokyo, Japan at the cubicle of Hiro Nakamura. Toys line his chaotically messy desk, cartoon art is proudly displayed, and an anime screen saver flashes across his flat panel monitor. Hiro, the young cubicle jockey for Yamagato Industries, stares intensely at his desk clock. After a few moments of intense concentration, Hiro wills time to stop for a second and then go backwards for a second. Hiro grins, pumps his fists into the air, and screams “I did it!” in Japanese. Hiro runs down the alley of cubicles spazzing out with glee.

((side note – is it just me or does the Japanese language use too many words to express a sentiment? Two and three word statements seem to verbally require a paragraph’s worth of words.))

Hiro excitedly makes his way to his friend’s cubicle. Hiro’s friend gives him this embarrassed look and asks, “What now?”. “I have broken the space / time continuum!”, declares Hiro. Hiro friend tell him “Good for you.” As he tries to get some work finished. Hiro explains that he made the hands of his clock turn back time for one second using only the powers of his mind. Hiro’s friend sarcastically replies, “Too bad you’re not paid by the hour.”. Hiro claims that he is serious, and that would explain why the train was 14 seconds late today, and the train is never late. Hiro cockily declares that he has discovered powers beyond any mere mortal. “You and Spock”, retorts his friend. “Yes. Like Spock. Exactly” beams Hiro proudly. Hiro’s freaky looking (Caucasian???) manager grabs him forcefully by the back of the neck, and drags him back to his cubicle. Hiro’s friend screams after Hiro, “Use your ‘death grip’, Spock! The ’death grip!”. ((I nearly pissed myself from laughing so hard during this scene!!!)) Hiro’s friend goes back to “work” on his computer. We see NikkiCam.com on his screen and a message from XXXNikki4u that states, Time’s up”. Hiro’s friend types a message reply “Little more. Please.” under the handle Huggerz69. End scene.

The scene quickly opens with Mica reading a 9th Wonders comicbook pictured *here* without the titles and captions.

((9thwonders.com also happens to be the official unofficial website for the TV show. There are a lot of spoilers for up coming episodes, interviews, pics, superhero art, to check out.))

The scene moves into the Mica’s school office. The dean admits that Mica is quite “gifted” but that’s not the issue. Niki tries to flirt with the dean but fails miserably, and embarrasses herself in the process. The dean smugly claims that he feels his school is not the right fit for Mica. Niki tries to make excuses but the dean only replies with unsympathetic apologies. Niki quickly gets angry and reminds the dean that she gave him $25,000.00, not counting tuition fees, to get Mica in this school. The dean coldly reminds Niki that the $25,000.00 was a donation, and that her checks for the last three tuition fees have bounced. They argue over the money. Niki get pissed and grabs the dean by the tie angrily demanding her money back. The dean replies, “That’s not possible”. Niki storms out of the office and tells Mica that they are getting out of there, and that he’s too good for their school. Niki passes a large aquarium with a mirrored backdrop. Niki’s reflection gives her a dirty look. Niki tells the reflection to leave her alone, and they leave.

Scene opens with Peter and Nathan being brought into the holding area for their mother who was arrested for shoplifting. Nathan chastises her while Peter gives her a kiss and asks her how she is. She states that the store is going to drop the charges and all she has to do is fill out a form, that it’s no big deal. Nathan paces back and forth while berating his mother because if this scene gets out to the public it will hurt his chances of becoming a congressman. Nathan irritated, asks his mother what she could have possibly needed so badly that she needed to steal it. Nathan quickly reconsiders and doesn’t want to know. “Socks”, replies his mother anyway. Nathan can’t understand why she would need to steal socks, especially after her husband left her a fortune when he died. Since her husbands death 6 months ago she has been pulling these kinds of stunts. Nathan exclaims, “Dad’s gone! Just get over it!” Peter defends his mother by telling Nathan to leave her alone, and that all that matters is that she is okay. Nathan sarcastically disagrees, saying next thing you know she will be telling the media that she is a crack whore. Peter opens the door and tells Nathan to leave, that he’ll take care of this. Nathan lopoks at him a moment, agrees, and states that he has to make sure this gets buried. Nathan leaves sarcastically thanking his mother. Peter gently asks his mom, “What were you thinking?” Peter’s mom replies, “I just wanted to feel alive again”. They leave the office while discussing Nathan’s actions. Peter states that Nathan only thinks of himself. Peter’s mom says his father was the same way, that they are both alpha dogs. Peter’s Mom worries that his selflessness and caring for dying old people will leave him broke. Peter retorts, “I’ll just shoplift some socks”. Peter’s mother advises that when you put everyone else first, that you end up last. They discuss how Nathan always needed more attention and how Peter allowed it. Peter doesn’t deny it because he loves his brother. Peter’s mom believes love is overrated. Peter knows Nathan loves him, they have always been close. They argue a bit more and Peter’s mom apologizes. What Peter’s mom is trying to point out is that Peter has always hero worshipped his brother, but those feelings were never returned. Peter disagrees, claims it’s biological, that they are connected. Peter reveals that when Nathan had his accident ((*potential flashback storyline set-up – Mav)) that he woke up and he knew/felt that Nathan had been hurt even before he got the phone call. Peter’s mom dismisses him, and leaves. End Scene.




-Mav

you can watch the first episode on Yahoo TV before the pilot airs....

http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/fall06/?d=503

-Mav

I had never even heard of this show until I saw it on last night - I watched the episode, and it was actually really quite good.

Anyone else catch it?

I watched twenty minutes of the show before I was sidetracked by a phone call. I thought the first 20 minutes were interesting (I stopped at the part where the woman in Vegas was looking for her son and her image in the mirror was faster or slower than she was).

I need to get a TiVo.

I just watched it, had it Tivo'd from last night. I really liked this first episode and quite liked how they all interconnected. Spoiler: As soon as dude jumped off the building I yelled out - oh crap its the brother that can fly! just before they showed it. I didnt see that one coming before. I felt really bad for the guy :(

I can't wait till next week!

I dunno. After watching the pilot, my thought is that this would work better for me as a short miniseries or feature film. It looks to me like they are going to develop the plot really, really slowly. And iven that slow build, I didn't find any of the characters (except the Japanese guy) engaging enough to earn my commitment to following the show.

Maybe it's because the cast is so young. I'm not saying it's "Heroes 90210", but I'd be more interested in a wider age range in the main cast.

I felt the same about Lost earlier on, so I think I'll check back in on this show later in the season when the mythos is firmly established.

Heroes 90210! That can be a spin off :D

About the girl in Vegas... what does everyone think her power is? They kinda want you to think that her mirror image comes alive or something... but I'm hoping that's just a ruse for what her actual power is. Maybe she's schizo and her other personality has some super-speed or strength abilities.

The reason I say that is because the idea of her mirror image coming alive doesn't jive with the rest of the show. That would be more "para" normal and X-Files-like than I think this show is going for.

*edit* I'll ammend: my guess is that she has a second personality that she's created because her abilities have freaked her out to the point of schizophrenia. This second personality has the ability to control glass and mirrors. Or something. I'd stake my life on it!! well, not really, but it's a guess.

I think it's more of a Dr. Jeckle, Mr. Hyde thing. So don't piss this one off or she'll go all "Buffy" on your ass.

That's pretty close to my initial impressions as well.

I like the professor and Hiro is a hoot; everyone else is rather generic and uninteresting. It's not great, but I'll give it a few more shows before writing it off completely.

mmkay, so I'm wondering what's in what storyline in that second episode.

Spoiler: Was Hiro's timeline the only one shown for the day of the election? It's obvious that the flying brothers weren't in the same one. It's just not that clear.

I'm still very drawn to it and I'll stay til next week at least.

I'm enjoying it. The Japanese guys and the comicbook tie in keep it surprising and fun.

Girlfriend of the artist definitely "not" enabling his addiction.

Thanks for listening.

Wow, did you guys see how the third episode ended? That's NOT how I want to wake up in the morning :)

And, man, how can you not like Hiro and his buddy? It's going to be fun once the meet the blonde gal (for the life of me, I can't remember her name). Especially Hiro's friend. I'm positive that he's gonna be very shy/shocked once he meets his favorite cam girl :D

This show is getting better and better every week. Hiro and freind go to Vegas. I can't think of anything more entertaining.

The hot cheerleader waking up on an autopsy table is kinda freaky for sure. I guess she couldnt heal untill the spike was out of her brain. We found her weakness.

The endings of these episodes are killing me. Kind of reminds me of how they like to end episodes of 24. I pretty much fall off my chair every time To Be Continued... shows up on screen. This past Monday was the same way when out of nowhere an english speaking Hiro shows up looking all bad ass with that outfit and a sword hooked to his back. (That was Hiro right??)

It was indeed Hiro of the future, and he looked seriously badass, I can't wait till next week!

Okay, I just acquired *koff* the first four episodes and watched them, and... WOW. This feels a lot like the first season of LOST. It's a really well-done show.

The pacing in particular is very nice. Enough movement to keep us interested, but generally pretty measured.

Dude, Hiro on the subway was awesome. The show is definitely getting better each week.

Now, I can't believe that was Hiro. He was more of a Super "Hiro" by then. And we saw Vicky's other half in action. And don't get on the chearleader's bad side :)

You know, at first, I was skeptical. I thought this would be a typcial network show that wouldn't try anything crazy... it would have a few comic book references to appease people like myself, but in the end, it wouldn't amount to anything much.

But then they have a dude, randomly show up, from the fucking future, with a sword on his back. that gets points in my book.

Just finished watching episode 5 and boy, am I impressed.

It's become one of the few shows a week I look forward to watching.

Is this Heirio in the future? Because right now in the present he seems a bit quirky and having a good time with his ability. But, the future self seems a bit more serious and he can speak english really well!

Awesome show.

They sure are taking their time (Hiro and friend) getting to NY. And now they take a side trip to Texas???

I would say it's narratively necessary that Hiro and Ando visit Odessa, TX.

The two question marks are how they find out where to go, and whether either of the Flying Petrelli Brothers go as well. Isaac the Future Painter isn't likely to leave his studio--but they can dope him up and keep him cranking out the cheat-sheets.

Nathan flies like a mo-fo!

I watched DVR'd the Sunday marathon and was somewhat sceptical at first but ended staying up until 3:00am watching the first four episodes back-to-back. BTW - if you every miss the latest episode you can watch it online.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/

Actually, I don't believe that Peter's power is "flying", comsidering that he finished Isaac's painting. I believe that Peter copies other people's powers. He only flew when he was with his brother, and he painting the future with Isaac. Imagine what he can do with all the heroes in one place :-D

This show is getting really good. I'm not sure why all the critics were so "meh" about it at the beginning of the season.

Yea, this past episode solidified what Peter's power is. Shall we just call him Rouge from now on? :D

Oh man, seeing Nathan rocket into the sky like he did was amazing. Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I wasn't expecting that at all.

If I had one complaint, it's that the heroes are meeting each other too fast. The first few episodes, all the heroes had their own stroyline going on, independent of each other. You knew that they would cross paths eventually, but you sort of got the impression that that would happen when some major shit was gonna go down. But they're running into each other sort of on a whim now. It seems like a missed opportunity for a plot line to climax with the coming together of two story threads and their respective heroes...

I beg to differ... I find it kind of cool that they are all running into each other by chance now... and not really realizing it only to depart again and then have to find their way to each other. You just know when Nikki and Nathen meet up again to "save the world"... he'll be like.. holy shit.. Your that great fuck!!!.. ha.. great stuff.

I take it people weren't all too thrilled with this last episode? I thought it was definitely just mediocre. So bascially we learned two things: the Vegas chick's alter ego screwed her husband over, and the short-haired chick is working with the cheerleader's dad. Sorry, I'm not too good with names.

The vegas chick's story here wasn't spectacular, and probably didn't warrant an enitre episode dedicated to it. And the short-haired girl being with the bad guys was no surprise... it seemed like the only logical place her character could go.

Hopefully next week has little more bite to it.

Hmmm...Vegas chick seems to have......used? her powers long before the others if she screwed her husband over before. Also interesting was her husband having his own powers.
And why is it the girl I think is the cutest, the one I would like to get alone in bed turns out to be a bad guy (girl) ? Bloody hell.....
I am interested also in what was showing through the painting when painter guy was rubbing at the paint. is there other stuff in other paintings? was it somehow connected to something I missed?

That would mean she used her powers about 6 months previously since that is when the father dissapeared?

I just watched the episode last night, Is Nikki (vegas girl) dead? The powers her ex had are pretty bad-ass. I read somewhere some fan speculation that he maybe just stopped her heart and that means she could be revived. Wasnt really expecting that plot twist though.

It means that she is the bad guy and the husband is the good guy essentially.

This website should help you with their names:The Characters

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World. Claire's father is up too something, I wonder what it is?

Nikki lives. Her hubby reached through her chest, grabed her neck, and choked her out. Man, I didn't think Nikki was able to talk to her "other half". Maybe she can talk some sense into her.

My Favorite line from the last show...

Hiro - "I had a sword!"

I'm gonna guess that Nikki's normal half died, but her badass alter-ego lives on.

I bet that her situation is now reversed so that her bad side is the dominant, active side, while her good side is trapped in the mirror.

As all the characters gather and settle into their roles on the sides of good and evil, I see two wild cards in play here. One is the curious relationship between the "good" cheerleader and her "evil" father, and the other is Nikki. Both hang in the balance, and the final outcome will hinge on their loyalties.

Nikki reminds me of The Hulk. Except that Bruce knows when he's about to change, and has some control over it. Where as Nikki hasn't even an inkling as to when her other half will show herself. And until the last episode, did realize it was "her" the whole time.

I'm gonna miss those scenes where Nikki blacks out and finds herself in a different location, and having changed her clothes :)

At least we found out Mikkah has a super power, which I think is the power to fix electronics, right? I mean, it would make sense for him to get a super power because his mom has incredible speed and his father can go through objects.

I don't know why Claire's brother was freaking out about her super power. I would think it would be awesome to know someone related to me has super-powers.

I wonder if Mikkah's power is more flexible, in that he can "manipulate" electricity and electronics in general. ie. jam signals, defuse bombs, fuzz out security cams, and so on. Maybe he can even act as a conduit for high voltage. That would be cool!

Well, technically, Claire and her brother aren't related. She's adopted :p Also, looks like we have an actual RadioactiveMan. Too bad he's in the slammer.

I am sure radioactive man can get out of prison pretty easily...Right?

Is it a possibility that it's radioactive man that will cause the explosion?

That implication was dropped like a big old spatter of foreshadowing, yes.

Sounds pretty simple, just melt everything in his way.

I guess I'm an idiot, I didnt even think that this guy could be the cause of the explosion untill I read it right here. Wow, thats cool.

I liked today's ep. Gave a little more insight into the possibilities of Claire's dad's role.

Man, tonight's episode was JAM PACKED! I thought we had to be getting close to the end of the episode--and I checked the time to find it was only 9:35!

So many revelations! Perhaps Horn Rim Man isn't evil? Certainly he's conflicted, and willing to do nasty things to further his goals.

Hiro's gone back to cute memory girl's birthday!? He was only supposed to go back one day. And where did he end up?

No Niki, DL, Mikah. Sort of a relief--I was a little bored with that story line, but now that I've missed them for a week, I'm ready for Jessica to come in there guns a blazing next week. Think DL can morph himself around a speeding bullet?

No Flying Petrelli Brothers, either! This whole episode focussed on Matt, Isaac and Hiro. This may be a good sign for the show; I've been concerned that the pace of revelation and character-meeting might be too fast to be sustainable through the entire season. If they start zeroing in on certain characters for certain episodes, it's a way to slow down the narrative pace without dampening the excitement of the show.

Yeah, I like where his character has gone. At first I thought he would just be Evil Corporation Villain, to be another main one like Sylar.

Great question. I found myself asking the same thing. He obviously didn't come back to his friend in the diner like he was supposed to. I wonder what all happened that prevented him from coming back.

Yeah, I like what they've done. It was a little oversaturating to have every group of characters in every ep like they had done for those first few. It was nice to see some focus in the storytelling, especially since that focus was on my favorites. :thumbsup:

Excellent episode, you guys above me said it best, it really changed the mix a lot. I hope we see lots more of cute memory girl, she's a sweety. Horned rimmed glasses a good guy? wow. Even pixie haired girl is good. Whats the backstory with her though, what does HRG have on her and what did she whisper to Isaac to get him to shoot up?

What did he paint?

I like that they switched up the storytelling so it focussed only on a couple of characters, they should do that every week.

I wonder if persuasion is Pixie-Haired girl's superpower?

I wonder if horn-rimmed dad will become Charlie to the Hero's Angels once they all come together and stop Syler.

I wonder if we've already met the mysterious Syler, and his true identity will be a shocking plot twist.

I wonder if the Haitian dude is the same as the Horn-Rimmed Dad's mind wiping sidekick.

I wonder if Hiro is fated to fail at saving Memory Girl's Life, no matter how many times he tries. Powerful stuff if they have a blooming romance in the past. I found it curious that he was off camera in the Bathroom during her death.

I wonder if I should pay more attention to how and when I use Hyphens.

Great episode!

That's certainly the implication. Though how they'd know he's Hatian is beyond me. As far as I can recall, he's never spoken, and even if he had, a Hatian accent isn't easy to identify. Until they said "Hatian" last night, I was guessing he was African.

Well, there are a couple things I'm thinking about that.

He didn't come back to his starting point in space/time. That might mean he dies in his mission to save the girl (unlikely, since we know he makes it to some future in which he speaks decent English and carries a sword). That might mean he's unable to come back to that specific time for some reason--either his awkwardness with his powers, or something about that time (or about Syler?) that prevents him coming back to it.

It also could be that he causes a rift by going back to save the girl. He mentioned "risking causing a rift" during his visit from the future in the subway. Maybe he causes a rift and can't get back to where he started from. Maybe this is where he learns about rifts. What if he's in an alternate timeline from now on? What if he's stuck there? That would fit the comic book ethos of the show--an "Infinite Earths" homage. He didn't look entirely happy in the birthday photo.

What if Hiro is really Silar? His future self carries a sword. Silar's victims have had their heads sliced open.

He has the power to time travel so he could find out what peoples powers were and come back to when convenient and kill them. He can stop time so he could slice the heads open while time stands still, she died pretty instantly. She was opening a can one second, and bam, suddenly the top of her heads gone.

This could be a huge plot twist that is not really inconsistant with the stuff they've done so far.....

The problem with that is that Hiro and Sylar were in the same diner. It also "appears" that Sylar is taller (hard to tell though) and caucasian. Plus it doesn't seem to jibe with Hiro's hero persona. Also Sylar has crazy power: telekinesis at the very least.

The implication so far seems to be that Sylar is Uluru or at least they are in cahoots.

The Haitian IS the mind eraser, the associate of Horned Rim Glasses guy (HRG).

Radiation man, Ted, did indeed escape while being transported by the Homeland Security guys, no doubt we will see him again.

It does appear that Eden's ability is "powers of persuasion" and that somehow, HRG saved her so she feels like she owes him a debt of gratitude.

Mohinder has a sister who was "very special" who died when she was 5. This could be the catalyst for Chandra Suresh's research and theories. It is also possible that Mohinder may have some special ability as well.

The next episode will be critical: save the cheerleader, save the world. My guess is that next episode will be centered in Texas (I didn't see any previews for next week, the TIVO cut it off).

The clues are in the paintings. I suspect Peter will make an appearance and will have a showdown with Sylar. I think the painting with the flying lockers/locker doors will be Peter using Sylar's power of telekinesis in a fight with him. Hiro and Ando will probably show up after the fact due to the glitch that Hiro experiences in his time bending to save the red-head (memory girl). I also think Jessica/Niki will make a showing - the shadow in the painitng could be her - with the claws.

I'm really digging this series too. There are all sorts of angles and themes, clues and stuff to drive yourself nuts over. Can't wait 'til net Monday!!!

I think the show also directly hinted that to us that Sylar is from the future. The fact that the show focused on his stopped watch twice, and that we hear a pretty loud ticking clock sound when we first see him in the diner seems like a good indication that he has something to do with time.

My initial thought is that "7 minutes to midnight" (the name of the episode, and the time on Sylar's watch) was referring to the time that the nuclear blast happens.... but that might not jive with the future that Hiro was a part of, so who knows.

And the fact that they're keeping Sylar's face hidden seems like a signal that we've met him before, as another character... but I don't think it's Hiro. Here's a screencap for reference:

http://berkleyidiots.com/~moskie/heroesgrab.jpg

Tough call. Definitely caucasion... Peter seems like the only real choice, i guess.

This show has me hooked. :)


worst part of the episode: the scene where HRG and Persuado-Girl argued. their powers suddenly switched to overacting.

Good observations Moskie, thanks for the input. Watch, time, future - you make a good case for it.

Peter? Hmmmm...that would be quite the turn of events.

Ha, I also thought that was a bad scene. I couldn't quite put my finger on it last night but yeah,you hit it on the head: overacting. Or bad directing/writing. Luckily, it didn't ruin the show.

I guess we all need to go to a "Heroes" clinic while suffering from withdrawals

I flirted with that idea as well, but I think Jorgelito and Moskie's reasoning trumps that. Silar does appear to have prior knowlege of who has powers, (even Memory Girl was barely aware of her own potential), so unless he's a rogue insider from Dad's Government agency, he could definitely be from the future.

Since you mention the sword connection, maybe Hiro takes his sword from a defeated Silar. How cool would that be!

I think Moskie is Silar!

*slices willravel's head open*


muhahaha

If Hirio saves the waitress from death, then he cannot go back to the diner because the waitress in that event was killed and if he brings back the waitress alive to the same event, then the entire time/space continuum might create chaos for Earth.

Are we sure that the guy at the table was Silar? Maybe it was just another Hero watching what was going down. The girl didnt die untill Hiro left the room to go to the bathroom so technically Silar and Hiro weren't in the same room, so it might still be him?

I think it's a stretch. I actually don't think Sylar is any of the other characters.

It could well be that Peter Petrelli is the only one who can take him down. Nobody else's powers seem to be up to it.

Well I'm not 100% positive but all the hints and insinuations seem to point that way.

Consider:

So far, it is appears Sylar possess the power of telekinesis (based on previous episodes). In the diner, we see him "pull" the mug to his hand with telekinesis (or the force). As an establishing shot, I presume this is the way that the TV producers let the audience know that the character is Sylar. Other similarities abound such as the hat, pervasive shadow across the face. The trend of these shots imply Sylar (but yeah, it is definitely possible that it's not and that this is a red herring designed to fool the viewer).

Uh, didn't the Dad point to Sylar in one of the Paintings showing a ringer for the guy in the diner?

I agree that Peter will play a big role in the showdown with Sylar. Consider the paintings that Isaac did: the one with Peter and the flying lockers/locker doors.

I interpret the painting as taking place at Claire Bennet's high school in Odessa, TX during their homecoming. In that painting, it appears Peter is "throwing" lockers or locker doors at something (or vice versa). So far, it appears Peter may have the power or ability of adaptation: that is, he is able to take on the powers of others in his proximity (ref: flying, painting). So, following that theory, then there is a strong suggestion that Peter is using Sylar's telekensis in a showdown with him at the school.

The only other one who may have a chance at Sylar is Niki/Jessica. In one of the paintings, Claire is in the stadium (?)/outdoor arena(?)auditorium looking scared holding her hands up. In the corner is a shadow of a figure (with sharp claws. The figure could very well be Niki/Jessica. We have not seen Jessica in action but we do know that she literally tears people apart.

It could be possible that Niki, when she releases Jessica, Jessica possesses some sort of ability to morph into that killing machine creature with the claws. If you look carefully, in one of the 9th Wonders Comics (the feature of the show and the comic that Isaac creates; Hiro also reads this comic)that Micah is reading, that same shadowy figure is on the cover (2 epsiodes back?). Remember, Isaac paints/draws the future so his comics also possess the same quality (think the Hiro storyline played out in the comic book).

Other than that, I got nothing.

Oh man, I can't remember. Can you post a screen cap? HRG may have very well pointed Sylar out.

Info about Sylar:

Spoiler: The cast list for Heroes on IMDB says that Sean Bean plays Sylar. Sylar's first name is Paul.


By FAR, Peter Petrilli has the best power out of all the characters. If you get Nikki/Jessica, DL, Claire, Hiro, Nathan, and Sylar together, Peter is basically is a god.

Powers:
- super-strength, from Nikki/Jessica
- phasing through matter, from DL
- immortality, from Claire
- teleportation and time-stopping, from Hiro
- flying (and evidently, super-speed) from Nathan
- telekinesis (and any unknown powers) from Sylar

He's a god, I tell you.

Spoiler: Sean Bean is the fucking Spoiler: man

I don't think Claire is really immortal. It seems more likely that she has a ridiculously high regeneration rate. I compare it to the Planeswalkers from MtG. They can reconstruct any part of their body as long as their brains are undamaged. This seems similar to Claire in that she "died" when the stick was logged in her brain.

http://www.heroesmedia.com/coppermin...laireHand1.jpg
has the comparable powers to
http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/wolverine.gif
in my mind. It seems as if the ability is simply one of massive reselience and regeneration more than the ability to never die. The tip off is the "save the cheerleader" line, in that, why would you need to save someone who is immortal?

:lol: nice picture selection will. claire's claws don't seem as threatening, though...

Yep, that's an apt comparison: Claire's powers of rejuvenation are similar or akin to the Wolverine's powers of rejuvenation in X-Men.

You're right. I didn't mean "immortal" in the "can't die" sense. It was more that I couldn't use the world "invulnerable" because she CAN be injured. However, I suspect that so long as her body is allowed to stay in one piece (and no organs are removed, and there's no internal obstructions) then she can't die. I don't think Logan could survive a tree branch through the brain like she did.

But what kind of a tree branch could put a dent in adamantium...christ, I'm a nerd. I'm going to go eat ice cream and read the Tempest.

Don't forget the ketchup....

Claire, I think is best described as having regenerative powers.

I thought the adamantium is only in the retractable claws. The rest of Wolverine is regenerative flesh. Oh, God, the nerdiness is contagious......

His skeleton is coated with it too.... /threadjack

Must resist uber nerdiness.......

Trying to fight it......

Power too strong, must give in..


Wolverine's entire skeleton was laced with Adamantium, redering his bones virtually unbreakable, courtesey of the Canadian Weapon X program. At some point, the adamantium was ripped out through his skin by Magneto in the Fatal Attractions crossover series. He also has three claws on each hand which until that time were believed to be pure Adamantium. When, the Adamantium was removed, however, it was revealed that his claws were bone, and therefore he must have been born with them. The Adamantium had laced these too, giving them the appearance of metal and rendering them virtually unbreakable as well.


Now where the hell is my pocket protecter? :D

It was 1993 when Magneto joined forces with the Acolytes in the Fatal Attractions series. The tittle of the comic was X-Men (Vol. 2) #25 "Death of Dream in this Final Battle!" I still have the '94 Flair (#118) AND the '95 Fleer Untra (#121) comic cards. Hey where do you find out how much old comic cards are worth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_Attractions

/threadjack

Thanks for the clarification you nerds :lol: But since the adamantium part was man made, his "mutation" was the regenerative effect yes?

So to refer back to the thread now, the regenerative effect of Wolverine can be contrued as analagous to Claire Bennet (the cheerleader) in Heroes correct?

Oh here, you dropped your pocket protector...

Yes. Their powers seem to be similar or the same.

I have to say I'm a little concerned for Peter, because...he thinks he can fly, like his brother! What's gonna happen if/when he flings himself off a skyscraper when his brother's not around?!? I know he didn't get much camera time afterwards, but when he painted the future in the Artist's apartment (sorry, I'm not great about remembering character's names--except for Nikki/Jessica! :D), he didn't make a big deal out of this "second" superhuman ability.

I don't think he's gonna get to be too god-like, because you have to have time to master those skills, and he hasn't done too much even with the one skill he's demonstrated more than one time.

I'm still confused about The Haitian.

Grrr, I want to post what could be a spoiler, but I don't know how.

Oh, and what is going on with the cop who can read minds? He's being awfully passive--and that chick he's working with is *extremely* unprofessional, whiney, and annoying. I feel like his character is being completely under-developed.

So Radiation dude is out of the slammer. He needs to be tranquilized if they ever hope to contain him. That so sucks that he caused the death of his wife--classic hero stuff there. I feel like even *his* character is being dealt with in a more interesting way than the cop.

to post a spoiler use [spoiler] text here [/spolier] with the text you want hidden in between those two brackets (and spoiler spelled correctly)

Thanks Daval!

OK, what do you think of: Spoiler: Clair's Dad using Nikki's husband to mess with people's memories? Initially I thought that Nikki's husband was Skyler (sp) because of the whole brain/memory connection, but now obviously that's wrong. Could Nikki's hubby be The Haitian? Although yeah, of course he doesn'thave an accent--but I still don't get how anyone could briefly interact with someone and say, "That Haitian guy..."

To be honest, I don't know if that merited a spoiler thingy, but I'd rather err on the side of caution.

No, Sultana, Nikki's husband is D.L. and the mind eraser is the Haitian. They're two different people. They look nothing alike but I can see where your confusion comes from.

You are a very kind person. :) :icare:

Finished watching today's ep.

I didn't think it was anything special. But is anyone curious as to how Peter was able to fix his foot after Claire had walked away?

You kidding? I thought tonight's episode totally kicked ass! Peter saved the cheerleader. Presumably therefore also saved the world.

Peter retains some "leech power" after being in contact with another special person. remember--it was later in the day after seeing Isaac that he sketched himself flying on the rooftop.

My only question is: where were Hiro and Ando? Isaac painted them at the highschool--looking at a "Homecoming" banner that was dripping with blood. But that painting happened before Hiro went back to save Memory Girl (I'm so bad with TV names!). He must have changed the timeline, preventing himself from showing up at the homecoming game, I guess. Ando's still sitting at the diner. No telling where Hiro is in the "current" timeline--though from the "next time on", we'll probably find that out.

Ah, but you assume that Claire is the cheerleader Hiro is referring to. What if the league of super people need a complete bitch who is now dead??? :lol:


(Unless of course future Hiro actually did mention that it was Claire that needed to be saved)

I thought this was a great episode! It's nice to see a show deliver on it's promises for once (yes, i'm talking to you, Lost). I was afraid for a second that Sylar died in the fall, which would have been a very anti-climatic end to a cool villain.

It's cool how Peter just sort of casually let it be known that he's aware of what his powers acutally are. It seemed like for a while he was a bit oblivious to it.

Sylar slowly killing (did she actually die?) the bitch cheerleader was suffiently creepy.

A little bit of development between Claire and her boy toy friend is always nice.

The Nikki/Jessica storyline was pretty pointless. She's kind of a cool character and all, I guess, but she seems to have nothing to do with the overall storyline. And the storyline she *does* have is spinning its wheels. Guess we'll see about that.

Only one more episode before repeats, I think, and it looks like an interesting one. Thumbs up.

I keep seeing Heros being attached to Battlestar Galactica for the purpous of finding an audience in advertising on the Sci Fi channel. Quid pro quo. I'd like to see NBC finally grow some nuts and bring Battlestar Galactica over to prime time (but to leave creative control with Ronald D. Moore). Between Heros and Galactica, Lost would die off quickly and NBC would have a niche market owning science fiction. Let's face it, as Moskie stated above: Lost is redundant and doesn't reward loyalty with payoffs. It's too mysterious (not that I'm not smart enough to get it, but it's needlessly complicated on purpous).

That being said, I'm really curious about next week. What the heck is going on with Hiro?! Is the Claire out of danger? What are MY superpowers?

Just wanted to post to acknowledge that they've changed the actor playing Sylar now. It was Spoiler: Sean Bean and now it's some other guy.

I thought that Peter's power of "absorption" was based on proximity (?). Claire was in the area, maybe close enough for him to "heal" himself.

Maybe Hiro and Ando do get there, but too late (after the fact). And then, possibly think they are too late and Hiro may try to change time again?

I was pretty bummed that Charlie indeed did die and that Hiro could not save her (I thought for sure that she would remain a character on the show - being cute and all and as a possible love interest for Hiro made it interesting).

I thought the "showdown" between Peter and Sylar was a bit anti-climatic. I had thought for sure that Peter would use Sylar's power in a battle. Now we have the interesting twist of Peter being arrested too. I was also a bit surprised that Eden and the Haitian were able to subdue Sylar so easily. Especially after Eden had trouble convincing Isaac to paint that time.

Rat, you may be onto something with the timeline but nowadays I just avoid thinking about it - it gives me a headache....(the time travel stuff is just too confusing)

Moskie, I think maybe Zach is indeed gay? I thought they were making a subtle outing in tonight's episode. Too bad, I was kind of hoping he hooks up with her.

I like the Mohinder stuff, we are starting to get deep into the background of the story now. I want to know, did Shanti have a power and does that mean Mohinder might also? It all seems to fit in the whole, genetics, evolution theme.

I think we need to be patient with the whole Nikki/Jessica, DL, Micah storyline. They have to come into play relatively soon. They are a family of "heroes".

Im betting Hiro changes the timeline to where he and Ando help Peter and they avoid the whole police thing.

Agreed. But here's the thing--Sylar's powers are under conscious control. He has to WANT to wing locker doors at people. Evidently he has to point at a forehead to cut a skull open. Nathan's power is also under conscious control, which is why Peter has been only making baby steps at flying.

Claire's power is involuntary. Her body just does it. That's why Peter was able to use her power and not Sylar's; when she was near him, his body just healed itself. Same way with Isaac's power--he gets high and it just happens, so it was able to just happen to Peter.

In principle, Peter should be the only hero who can take Sylar, and then only when he's surrounded by other heroes. AND when he's had plenty of time in their company to practice up.

Yeah. Something's fishy about Eden. She does Jedi Mind Tricks. So why has she been arguing and pouting so fetchingly at Old Man Bennett? Why not just say "These aren't the paintings you're looking for"?

Well, next week should clear it all up.

Given that we are about to see the previous 6 months unfold, I wonder if we will arrive at a different present after all is said and done. It could go either way I guess. The older waitress at the diner said that Hiro "popped out of her life month's ago." so in the current present she dies, but perhaps things
will turn out differently as we rewind along with him.

Either way, I'm really looking forward to Hiro's story.

Does anyone have a screen cap of Mohinder's Dad's computer screen showing the names of those with powers? That would be fun to read.

On a production note, to my tender eyes, I think the head(less) cheerleader's death may officially have been the most graphic and gory one ever shown on prime time network television.

In the preview, there's a part where he says something like "you're very good at persuading people to do things, but looks like i've found someone you can't persuade"


Whether he's referring to himself, or the Haitian, we'll find out next week.