Well, in today's trailer, the tease us by saying two heroes will go. My money is on Nathan and Nikki/Jessica.

But let's get down to the point. This second season blows. Everything that they've teased us with at the end of last season has been a bust. The 'boogeyman' that had little Molly scared shitless? Some fat slob who looks like he could be outhustled playing three-card-monte. The mystery over what happened to Sylar? A complete waste as he spent his time gouging his eyeballs out over the drama between Maya and Alejandero. Spoiler: To be honest, I don't blame him for gutting Alejandero like a fish. I just wish he'd done it sooner. Claire? Well, she was much more interesting when she was getting chased around by Sylar than she was being chased after by the lovestruck flying teen. I could go on an on, but at this point, you probably feel my disappointment. This season was about as aimless as a blind sniper. I suppose we should thank the writers' strike for putting us out of this misery sooner than scheduled.

Okay, but you have to admit, the last ten seconds of tonight's episode got interesting.

Too bad you had to sit through 50 minutes of pure suck to get to that interesting bit.

And last week was so much better. I thought we'd turned a corner....

The last 10 seconds were totally worth everything else.

In this corner, the Adapter of Power, the Sultan of Slick Hair... Peeeeter Petrellii!!!
And in this corner, the Cantonese Chrononaut, Hiro Nakamura!!

I want this to be a clean fight, powers vs. possibly mystical sword and time travel, no energy blasts below the belt.

Damn, that was nice.

Thank God Sylar took out Alejandro- I was so tired of his whining.

I think Claire has reached the top of her character arc. She won't be as interesting as before until she finds out her dad (Bennett) is still alive.

Nikki is interesting, Micah is interesting, but the muscle-memory girl is pretty pointless. I can't imagine what kind of gang-banger sub-plot we're going to be subjected to for her rescue.

Damn those last 10 seconds. Damn them.

That's assuming she doesn't have a sexual relationship with Elle.

my stupid pvr cut off the last seconds or minutes of heroes, hiro had just drawn his sword and said you have chosen the wrong side - what happened after that?

Cantonese??? haha, was it the freeze frame martial arts that made you think that? :thumbsup:

Japanese Chrononaut doesn't sound right.

Alliteration is highly overated...but point taken. How about Katana Chrononaut?

Well played! I'll take it.

That's it. He says you've chosen the wrong side, holds up his sword and takes a run at Peter. That's where it cut off.

At least we know how to eliminate Claire, Peter and Adam, by taking out their heads!

But somehow exploding like Peter and Adam did doesn't count as having your head removed?

Maybe there was enough of them floating around after the explosion to reassemble themselves like a T-1000

Bingo!....... I've read articles that say they had to re-edit the 11th episode in order to serve as a season finale. So I'm sure they've had to retool the story line a bit... I believe what was suppose to happen is that this episode was a cliffhanger until the second half of the season started up again in january or whenever... but now... damn you writers guild... damn you....

As far as some comments on the second season sucking arse... well Tim Kring himself has basicly admitted this himself. In an article in Entertainment Weekly I believe he states that they made mistakes... The story started off way to slow. He says he acknowlegeds that Hiro spent way to much time in ancient japan... the love thing with the japeneese chick and claires boy toy were an odd fit.... and that they found out the right and wrong way to introduce new characters... example... the right way--->Elle...... the wrong way---> the wonder twins... So I forgive Tim for the mistakes and hope that these are just growing pains as the show evolves.

Now my thoughts on the current state of the show... Is anybody else pissed at the dirty promotion/ teaser whores who give us the "Next time on Hereos" sneek peek?? They are liers.... In the teaser for the episode titled "four months ago" they said..." you've got questions... what happened to the bomb? peter? DL? ect....They will be anserwed!" They specifically said "what happened to...Syler!" and guess what.. he was never mentioned in that episode! arg.... everthing else was answered except this... okay onto point number two... in last weeks sneek peek (2 weeks ago) it showed hiro coming up behind peter with his sword to peters neck and peter going... "Hiro!"... Now after watching last weeks episode it looks like this would have been used at the end... expect that never happend... hiro did the whole time stop thing and peter... well you know... so they must have shot that scene and edited it out... but why show it on the teaser!!! not cool.

Anyway, time to concentrait on our last episode for what seems to be a very long time...I'm jacked... i'm looking fowared to seeing hiro and peter clash and adam's interaction with it all. And the biggie... sylers rise?!?! That will be good... but will he have ALL his previous powers? or just the wonder twin power for now?? As far as the promo stating that two hereos will fall.... I'm not sure.. I've stated that the devil whores are exceptionally good at this trickery, so I'm cautious. If I had to guess... I'd count the other twin and maybe the muscle memory girl... I just can't see thim killing off one of the big guns quite yet... but ehh.. i've been wrong before. so until then......

Something tells me this big Hiro vs. Peter battle is going to be a huge disappointment.

So who's taking bets on which two characters are going to be pushing up daisies?

EDIT #1
Spoiler: I nearly fell out of my seat laughing when Sylar killed Maya

EDIT#2
Spoiler: I'm batting one for two

EDIT#3
Spoiler: Hiro, you crazy bastard!

EDIT#4
Spoiler: I FUCKING CALLED IT!!!!!!!

What we learned this episode: Don't piss off Hiro. Very clever idea... very unfortunate for Kensei/Adam.

Spoiler: He might be ok if he was as bad ass as Uma Thurman in Kill Bill.


I wasn't too ecstatic to see sylar get his powers back, that was what season 1 was for. but i guess i'll have to wait and see how they develop this.

Seems like a waste, like that 85-86 season of Dallas.

----BUMP----.

... Whoosh..(blows dust off of thread)
My god, this tread is becoming a bit stagnet! Time to fire it up for the much anticipated third season! So I want to know what people's opinion/ or hopes are for the new season. We've got a little under a month till the first episode but there is already plenty of trailers and teasers spread around the web and tv. So from what I've gathered, it looks like season three is going to be a kick ass ride with alot more "heroes" or "villians".... The basic story line that i've got from the trailers looks like the "company" is keeping all sorts of strange and interesting people locked up in level 5.. the kind of people that would really cause a problem if they were to get out... But lucky for us they do and so this sets up quite a story as to who we're going to see and what power, or powers they will have. I'm also interested in some more back story with Hiro and Peter's parents. I think there is alot to be explored there. Well if anybody has any other insider info, please don't be shy...

i just hope season 3 is much better than season 2....

i actually completely forgot about this show until the trailer for season 3 popped up on a website i was on.

Too much time has passed. I also feel like the producers have wandered a bit off the original story line (just a feeling). I hope they tighten things up.

I bought the first season of this show on DVD to watch and I have to say that I am disappointed. Hiro's storyline is downright boring. Peter and Nathan Petrelli (moreso Peter than Nathan) carry the show. Claire's plotline is interesting and I'm glad her dad turned to the "good" side at the end of season 1. Sylar is one of the worst actors I've seen on a TV show, partly because they give him shitty dialogue and part because I just don't think he can act.

Does the show get any better after season 1? Is it worth watching season 2?

EDIT: I do like the plot of the show but that is about it. It just doesn't hold up to shows like Lost who have good acting, good writing, and a good plot.

Season 2 was NOT worth watching. The Alejandro and Maya subplot was completely ridiculous, the first half of the season plodded along aimlessly, and there's been no new character development since they last left. You're not going to be missing much by skipping Season 2. Hopefully the third season will be a definite improvement.

Season 2: Nathan had a beard. Then he didn't. Good analogy for the rest of the characters--things happened, then got undone so everything was reset to the way it was at the beginning of the season. Utterly missable.

I like this game:

Season 2: Hiro went back 500 years, then he didn't.

Sylar lost his powers, then not so much.

Peter lost his memory, then not so much.

Noah Bennett was dead, then not so much



Agreed that season 2 was lackluster PLUS it was cut short because of the WGA strike... I read a lot of the meat of the season 2 plot was re-written into season 3.

First episode critique:

Spoiler:
Mohinder's serum = Promecin from The 4400
Mohinder turning into the fly = Jeff Goldblum turning into The Fly
Linderman as Peter's imaginary friend = Head Six as Baltar's imaginary lover
Sylar strutting down Claire's street = John Travolta strutting down Brooklyn street in 'Saturday Night Fever'
Who shot Petrelli? = Who shot J.R.?
Future Peter trying to change the past and fucking up the present = Butterfly Effect (the movie)
Present day Peter in criminal's body = Face/Off (speaking of which, if present day Peter is in fatso's body, how is future Peter still existing, doesn't this fuck everything up, and how can somebody be so stupid as to not consider the butterfly effect when you start dicking around in the past?

I'm hoping Hiro doesn't waste the entire season on another useless side quest, and they'd better come up with a credible explanation why Nikki Sanders is now icewoman with no memories of her past, and holy fuck, is everybody with an ability raised as an adopted child or something? And how did Ando get The Force to get all Emperor Palpatine on Hiro like that

Spoiler:

I'm assuming Ando gets injected by the stuff Mohinder made maybe because he's tired of being a boring sidekick with no powers...?

Apparently the present Peter Petrelli doesn't know how to use his powers? When Noah was going over the level 5 villians' powers, the guy that Peter is trapped in has his power listed as "Sound manipulation". Why did he wuss out at the gas station?

I'm going to wager that future peter tries to use molly walker to find present peter and parkman, but fucks it up somehow. I was disappointed that season 3 future hiro isn't the same badass he was in season 1. I guess there are an infinite number of future hiros, so badass future hiro might make an appearance. Hopefully to knock some sense into future peter, but hopefully NOT to undo everything in this season and make it out to be a "season 3 was just an alternate reality, everything is back to normal now" kind of finale. I think the writers have more sense than that, but you never know.

The "Sylar, I AM your mother" part made me kind of cringe... I hope this isn't Heroes jumping the shark. Did anyone see the preview clip where Angela petrelli "feeds" Sylar a woman with the power to see the history of any thing she touches? Crazy.

With those four words that Angela Petrelli said to Sylar, the motorcycle has left the ramp.

One thing confuses me. Spoiler: Bennett gets Claire's biological mother to stick around and keep an eye on Claire while he hunts down the anti-Fantastic Four. Isn't Bennett's attempt to capture/kill her the whole reason she spent 16+ years without her daughter? I dunno about you, but if I were in her shoes and he came by and asked a favor for him (never mind we have no idea how he found out she's still alive or how he located her), I would've spit in his face before barbecuing him.

No spoiler, I hope--It was way too comic booky for my taste.

I seem to be in the minority as being one of the people that absolutely enjoyed the hell out of the opener.

Spoiler: I don't think Angela really is Sylars mom. Sylar is, well, fucked up in the head with massive mother issues. She is playing on that. And what better way to keep a monster like him in check then to put him on the pay role. Feed him another baddy every now and then, and he stays happy, and you no longer have to worry about another break out on level 5. Everyone is happy in the end. It's a pretty brilliant manipulation I think. I just want to know what is up with the Linderghost now. Is Nathen losing his mind, or is Someone playing him? Parkmans dad maybe?

I love the episode as well except the blatant advertising during the desert scene.
"Should have gone with Sprint!" ... heh

The answer is real simple, seer: Peter Petrelli is a Cylon.

Man, he got robbed. At least Baltar got laid out of it.

While I like the show and will continue to watch, I worry that no one will really die. The only death of a significant character that comes to mind... just showed up as a ghost.

Word. I want some people to die. Die and never come back. Heroes have to make sacrifices, if not, what's the risk? Why be heroic? I think that's what Claire's storyline will be this season.

As for Ma Patrelli, I don't think she was being literal (and if she was, I may swear off the show) with what she said to Sylar. Plus, does anyone get the feeling that Noah is about to get a partner in his quest to track down the Level 5 escapee's? Maybe a partner with lots of powers and a fixation on taking the tops of peoples heads off?

The sprint product placement didn't bother me too much. It was subtle enough and the fact that someone in the middle of the desert in africa is complaining about their phone service gave it enough humor that I could have seen the joke being made even if it wasn't payed for.

As for the show.. I guess they wanted to fix their fuckups from last season's writers strike. I mean they changed crucial plot elements from last season.. like Maya's death.. wtf.. I dunno.. I was just bored by the end of the episode(s).

Maya was dead for about 10 minutes. For some reason Suresh had a syringe with Claire's blood and he used it to revive her. If you were bored, it's easy to see how you missed that.

LOL I guess I was really bored because I sure as heck don't remember that. That happened this season or last season?

Man some of these comments really make me not want to watch season 2 and 3 just because of how stupid the plot sounds. This show is hardcore overrated.

I hope she wasn't being literal, or it was just her being a manipulative bitch (which I guess is very likely).

You just made me think of one thing: Spoiler: since Noah made the deal with Bob, and Bob is dead, why would he still want to work with the Company? After what the did to him and his family, you would think he would work independently or maybe team up with Bob's daughter, Elle, who was basically bitch slapped by mrs petrelli.


Also, where's the memory girl and flying kid from last season? How would they fit into this plot, or are the writers pretending they never existed? Micah's story from season 2 with the memory girl was such a waste of time...

I enjoyed how Elle knocked out Sylar with a burst of her electricity powers. I want to see her lose control and kill everyone; is that wrong?

i don't know if i can handle the idea of sylar as a good guy. he is supposed to be evil incarnate; a VILLAIN, if you will. i know there's gonna be some harsh plot twists and whatnot, but the whole idea of sylar playing nice just bothers me.

Yeah, I had a lot of problems with this as well. I could see them forcing him to help by using the Haitian, or withholding something he needs to survive, but he's cooperating (somewhat) on his own. Doesn't make sense to me.

I actually think that turning Sylar sympathetic (which they tried to do last season, unsuccessfully) is a very interesting twist. Having him fight his demons as he tries to do right by his mother could lead to some intriguing situations.

speaking of the Haitian, why is he such a punk this time around? i mean, really? getting Spoiler: taken out by hiro's powerless buddy with the swiftness? shenanigans imo. him and Noah used to be the gangsterest of the gangster.
a pattern seems to be emerging with the Heroes writers here: the brilliance of their compelling characters and the intriguing universe those characters inhabit is becoming polluted by short-sighted plot developments and straight up cop-outs.
don't get me wrong, it's still an amazing show that i will watch till the end, and obviously i have respect for the writing, but this season's story is already starting to feel so forced; so rushed. all i can hope for, i guess, is for it to "normal" out in the next few episodes.

a quick note about the 3rd episode... Fucking Hiro!!....this guy is starting to piss me off. In the start he was (in my mind) one of the most exciting characters in terms of potential.. but now he seems to becoming a bumbling idiot..first with him losing the first half of the formula JUST after getting it out of the safe (when he was told NOT to by his dead dad via tape) and then in episode 3 when he loses the OTHER half of the formula.....ugh. this guy needs to grow some balls and start doing cool things again, like the future hiro we saw in season one.

I blame network executives sticking to action movie convention: Fat guys and nerds can never be destined heroes. They must be sidekicks or killed or played for laughs.

It wasn't really about being evil for Sylar. He cares about power. That's it, the death of the subject is inevitable. When finally given a choice, he didn't kill his victim (Claire). Working with Noah will give him the opportunity to poach a power now and then. These aren't just any powers, however, these are the good ones.

This show has jumped the shark. I only continue to watch because I do love a good train wreck.

Spoiler:
Nobody of importance has died since Isaac Mendez, who isn't dead, just reincarnated as some African nomad
I like Sylar, the power hungry killer who slices people's heads open. Not Gabriel "Mr. Mom" Petrelli. A big thumbs down.
The whole thing was a dream, like when they brought back Patrick Duffy and wrote off an entire season of 'Dallas' WTF?
How many times is the Hatian going to get sucker punched? First a vase, then a trash can lid? His whole 'power nullification' gig just simply isn't helping him.
Kinda lame that they brought Adam back from the dead (figuratively). They'd better have a damn good reason for freeing him.
When will Peter learn that the best way to fix the future is to STOP FUCKING WITH THE PAST? Didn't he watch Star Trek and learn about the temporal Prime Directive?

And finally, Nathan is the fifth Cylon.

I think the guy that was hit with the trashcan lid wasn't the Haitian, but the escapee from Ward 5. (The guy that gets super-strength from feeding off of people's fear.)

What I want to know is, why didn't Peter stop time and rescue Sylar's kid? Doesn't he have Hiro's powers?

yes.
this show is falling victim to the Jumper way of writing. sure, peter could save the world if he just used his powers at the right time and properly, but then the show would be over, and we wouldn't want to stress our poor writers to actually be creative now would we?

same here my friend, same here.

don't even know if i'm gonna bother making time to watch it on it's release, and just watch it at my leisure on nbc rewind instead.

Damn You! Damn you all to hell!

Yeah, while I was watching that scene I was wondering why Sylar didn't just use his telekinesis to protect his kid, and why Peter was such a weak ass fighter.

Even though I don't really like them, it kind of bothers me that there hasn't been much of Micah and no mention of his cousin from Season 2. I mean this kid became a pretty important character in the first season, just lost both of his parents in the second season, and he has said that he wants to "help people" and "catch bad guys". Then they setup the character of his cousin who also wants to do more with her life. You'd think the writers could make a decent plot line for them in Season 3 after setting them up for it. I guess its still early in the season...

And I agree they're really going to have to stretch it to justify Spoiler: releasing Adam Monroe. I mean, he only wanted everyone in the world to die last season. I'm still waiting for Hiro to get his head out of his ass, get a katana, and do something cool, but each episode so far makes it seem unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Oy oy oy. This show had so much going for it: an unraveling mystery in the first season that appeared to consist of a fully-realized universe with a backstory and a proper place for all of the main characters. Heroes had really great music. The special effects were high-quality, and the show got a lot of money pumped into it (can you imagine what BSG or a Joss Whedon show would be like with these budgets!). The show made excellent use of a large stable of underrated character actors. It allowed foreign characters to speak in their native languages. It was about superheroes, for crying out loud.

Now, about 1/8 into Season 3...I mean, what the hell? Spoiler: Jumping back-and-forth through time for no reason. Constantly. It's confusing, it's boring, it's unnecessary, and it's ruining the show. Characters never use their powers appropriately. They also change temperament, goals, lifestyle, and behaviors at the drop of a hat. Maya seems to have entirely lost her native South American accent between episodes 2 and 3. Important characters just stop appearing (Micah and his whole family). There are like 12 characters now who can see the future, except apparantly for Peter, even though he has that power. Everyone apparantly was born out of Ma Patrelli's vagina. Kristen Bell isn't in every scene.

And on top of that, the show can't even get deaths right. As every comic book fan knows, you're allowed to bring back dead characters. But there are rules: it has to be unexpected, it has to be well-explained, it has to be game-changing, it has to be badass. And most importantly: it has to be at least a decent amount of time since the character was offed! Someone has to get Joss Whedon on this show, stat, to teach them how to bring back dead characters, because the only cool thing about Season 2 was how Adam was "killed" finally at the very end and now he's back in episode THREE! WTF!

It's been a while since I've seen a show spoil this much promise this quickly. Blech.

Why didn't Daphne get the kid? You'd think maternal instinct would step in and what not, but I guess if it's not her kid, then it's not her problem.

That is a very big problem.

Wow. Heroes has become a complete train wreck... last Monday's episode is still sitting on my DVR unwatched, because I'm really starting to lose interest.

The writers need to sit down and start killing people off and make up their minds on what they're going to do with their characters (Possible spoilers)

Ando needs to die, and Hiro needs to be smarter and darker like future Hiro in Season 1. Mohinder's character is FUBAR and needs to die. Maya needs to go for not using her power to kill Mohinder last week. HRG and the moms need to die, making Claire even darker (I like her transformation from cheerleader to badass). Also where is Claire's brother this season? Kill him too. Above all, people who die need to stay dead. If they come back somehow (which they very rarely should) make it good - same rule applies if they change "sides"; Sylar is supposedly pure evil and would've killed Ms Petrelli by now.

Bringing back Kristen Bell is the only hope this season has of being good.

If there is a season 4, I hope it is more coherent and explores different ideas rather than the usual "massive, looming catastrophe -> time travel / future seeing -> crisis averted" formula.

I just found out that I'm also a son of the Patrelis.

Arthur Petrelli sucks your abilities away from you.
Sylar can acquire your abilities, but ends up killing you in the process.
Peter gains your abilities just by being in the same room with you.
Nathan can fly.




Somebody was obviously shortchanged here.

Speaking of the Petrelli sons, what a bunch of useless whackos eh? First off the fiasco at costa verde of which Peter could have stopped then this thing with his dad, mom in a coma and sylar still being alive in the first place, speak of the worst people ever to leave the fate of our humanity upon their hands!!!

You would think Peter would charge into the room, take everyone out and ask questions later. But, he is a fraking tool who decides to hug his dad who then takes his powers.

This is what I would do:
Me: *charges into room*
Dad: Hello son! Give me a hug!
Me: AH! (shoots everyone with electricity)

I would hire Sylar to torture the big boss for information and once I have the information, kill them both.

Charging blindly into rooms is never a good idea. Haven't these guys heard of surveillance? Intelligence gathering? No wonder the good guys never win.

Dear Peter,

Did you forget about me?

Love, Irish Chick in an alternate future

Never thought about intelligence gathering. Perhaps I should change my approach from charging blindly into rooms and act like a sneaky ninja gathering information about the other side...

Well, Sylar did tell her that he couldn't kill her if he wanted to, and that she didn't understand how "special" she was...... But that was probably the next episode....

Yea seriously, he totally stopped caring. What an ass.

So who saw Heroes last night? What did you all think?

I'm skeptical about this new storyline - I'm kind of getting tired of the characters constantly switching sides (HRG guy).

First episode I've watched not on Netflix, and I was immediately annoyed by commercials, and by not being able to hit 'next' at the 'too be continued....'. Last time I do that again!

Yeah, I'm annoyed too. If feels like they're starting all over again. The same story, re-hashed.

Although it looks like the writers may be doing it on purpose, as they seemed to hint/nod to their previous story arc by putting all the main characters back where they started in their normal lives (cabby, security, messenger, paramedic, etc). Peter even meets Mohinder in a cab again.

Did Peter's original power reboot during the eclipse?

It didn't reboot, but it's different. It looks like once he comes in direct contact with somebody with an ability, he gains that, but when he comes in contact with somebody with a different ability, he gains the new ability and loses the old one.

I dunno about you, but the whole extraordinary rendition angle seems so....last administration.

The word "new" would still apply for me. I watched the pilot on the streaming Netflix thing and thought it was interesting. No clue what happens after that aside from Mr. Sulu making some kind of appearances on the show in a limo sporting a license plate referencing Star Trek.

So the heroes crashed on an island. Who else wants to see Clair being beaten by the smoke monster? Anyone? Anyone?

I was totally thinkin the same thing! :D
Watch, Ben will walk out, just you wait.

Ben is Sylar's dad...

fresnelly - I think you summed it up

I'm still watching, hoping for some sort of pay off in the end... my thoughts:

Sylar's daddy issues plotline is annoying, especially his sidekick kid. Claire/HRG love/hate stuff is tired. Hiro needs to stop being such a baby, Ando is lame. Waiting for Nathan to unveil the Sentinels to help track down mutants; also waiting for him to change his mind about this whole operation and be there at the critical moment to help Peter take it down in the end.

Two words:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2806/train20wreck.jpg

How many times is Peter going to point a gun at someone and end up not killing them? At least he got a shot off this time.

Please writers of Heroes, let Daphne die, kill Mohinder, Ando, Tracy, and Sylar's buddy, and make Parkman stop being a lame version of Issac Mendez. Above all, stop recycling ideas from previous seasons. :thumbsdown:

"Burlington Northern"? :D

So I was just stopping by this thread to see how many other people dropped this show from their line up this season. Personally, 10 minutes into the 2nd episode did it for me. I was very apprehensive to see what they were going to do, and threatening two of the three immortal heroes with a gun made me turn the TV off.
At least train wrecks are interesting and typically kill the putz conductors who are responsible for them; I'm still waiting for the producer/writers' mass public execution.

Here is a theory someone posted on another forum that I found pretty interesting......

I hope Sylar meets his dad soon and he is played by Leonard Nimoy.

Sylar wore horn-rimmed glasses as a kid.
HRG is his long lost brother!

Also, looks like daddy is a headcutter, too.

Didn't Sylar kill the puppet guy?

It looked like it, plus he would've burned with the Primatech building. Now that I think about it, I don't remember them showing how Sylar got out of the Primatech building since he got stabbed in the back of the head by Claire. So it seems like there's someone who saved the puppet guy and Sylar?

Did everyone give up on this show?

Last night almost seemed like they're actually starting to try to turn things around. People were using their powers intelligently, Daphne and Tracy died, and Sylar seems to be over his daddy issues. I still think this should be the last season for Sylar, and I think a few other main cast members also need to be killed off.

Rebel turned out the be Micah, which I think was kinda obvious... when Matt Parkman's baby turned on the TV with his hands, I thought "they better not make that baby be Rebel" but luckily the writers aren't as stupid as I thought they were. I thought Molly would've been involved in the rebel plot too, but maybe Micah can use his leet hacking skillz to track people down as well.

Hiro and Ando... I pretty much stop paying attention now when they're on the screen, except when Ando decided to use his power Dragonball Z style... he needs to do stuff like this more often. Hiro got part of his powers back... eh.

The Matt and Daphne scenes were hard to watch, but at least Matt actually using his powers. Peter is a badass as long as he doesn't talk that much or do anything that requires critical thinking, and no screen time for Nathan or Sylar are also pluses.

Hopefully the writers can salvage whats left of this season by making everyone smarter, more consistent, and less whiny.

Do you think Tracy is truly dead? The wink at the end made me think she might be able to come back or something......

I actually liked Daphne and am sad she's dead, but I do agree they need to trim out some of the cast.

Yeah, I was like wtf? Did the ice eyeball just wink at me? In comics that means they're coming back. In this show I'm not sure...

I thought I saw her wink, and actually it made me think of the end of Freddy vs Jason. But my wife said she was crying. Maybe both? There's still the third sister of Nikki and Tracy so either way, whats her face will still be apart of the cast.

I thought Daphne being forced into a relationship with Parkman was weird and kind of derailed both characters, but her death made me sad.

I wasn't paying attention but was the puppet guy dead in Danko's apartment?

Not dead, just unconscious. we see him later in the room with the rest of the detainees.

Who caught him though and took him to Danko?

I think they might have been implying sylar (we saw him working with danko in the previews). But I'm hoping it was claire. Would make her boring character more interesting if she plays both sides.

I don't see how she'd be able to overpower him and string him up like that, but I agree that would be an interesting development. I say most likely it was Sylar, since they are hinting he teams up with Danko in the next episode preview.


I read somewhere that due to the poor ratings, NBC is cutting the Heroes budget and making changes to the writing staff... I guess there was buzz about Bryan Fuller (writer from Season 1) returning on a two year contract starting with this week's episode. Hopefully they'll get the show back on track and we'll all pretend the beginning of this season and the entire past two seasons never happened.

Maybe we'll also find out what happened to the Irish chick that Peter abandoned in that alternate dystopian future.

I hope they bring her back somehow so that she can get revenge on Peter for ditching her.

If her eye could wink while frozen, why couldn't she get the hell out of there while frozen, like Iceman?
C'mon, writers!

Tracy is not dead. Not even close. The wink was a huge giveaway. The way I see it, her power has evolved so that she can turn herself into liquid form. She will melt into that drain they showed, and she'll reassemble herself. Another point is that when she froze those other people, when they shattered the insides were red/blood. When Danko shot her, she was solid ice. I am actually quite impressed with how the writers have reveled this side of her to us. well done episode.