veruca

Who else watched this show last night..the one with the girl who wanted to look like carmen elektra?
It made me SICK...this girl was gorgeous to begin with, but she thought we just wasn't pretty enough.
The worst part was the guy she is with...he is not her boyfriend, just someone she is fucking. He wouldn't even grant her the title of his girlfriend. The look in his eyes when the dr. was talking about her new boobs was disgusting...and what was even worse was HER desire for him to like her more, and the only way for that to happen was to have the surgery. It was the most horrible thing I have seen in awhile and I felt so sorry for her I wanted to cry./end rant

so, ladies, be happy with who you are..please...you are GORGEOUS..and don't let anyone tell you any differant

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sexymama

I didn't see the show. Sounds like I'm glad I didn't!

I believe every woman in our society struggles with self image due to media "perfection." It is very sad! I agree, we need to be happy with who we are.

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anti fishstick

i don't like those plastic surgery 'reality' shows. i don't think we should promote that at all.

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JustJess

I agree with anti-fishstick - it's bad enough that the media promotes certain types of bodies as beautiful and that women take that as gospel, but to have reality shows highlighting how desperate we are to become more like these 'icons'...
ugh. I'm glad I don't watch that shite (no offense, veruca). I am not perfect by any stretch, but I'll keep being me.

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Grasshopper Green

I don't watch TV much, unless it's cartoons with my son. I'm glad that I don't watch stuff like this though, because although I know that I should be happy being me, I still have body issues and these types of things tend to make me even more critical of myself. I don't need that kind of crap in my life.

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veruca

I don't watch much reality tv..but, I just have a thing for seeing what people look like after all that surgery.I just think it's weird...I don't know what it feels like to hate something about myself that much...and I am far from a perfect 10..but I am happy with me. it was just shocking and maddening to see this girl last night..that seriously..was GORGEOUS...and she was talking about how ugly she was. when they showed her with no make-up on...she was just so pretty..and then she covered it up with gobs of make-up, because she wasn't pretty enough...

here is the link..watch the vid if it will work..it's awful

http://www.mtv.com/onair/dyn/i_want_...pisodeID=81692

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Supple Cow

I can't believe that they do this on reality shows now. I thought it was bad enough that shows like The Bachelor(ette) existed... but even those shows probably fed them some lines. Surgery is permanent and risky; I just don't get it.

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Joan of Arc

But I wish they'd take all the Reality shows off the air. They've become fucking ridiculous.

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anti fishstick

I admit I have a slight fascination with the plastic surgery phenomenon. I won't voluntarily watch it, but if I happen to see it while surfing channels, I might stop to watch out of curiousity. I watched a report about how a lot of woman travel to other countries, particularly the Dominican Republic, to get cheaper prices on plastic surgery. A lot of times, they hear through word of mouth, and are completely trusting to an unknown doctor without researching at all. There have been a lot of botched jobs that are pretty disgusting... I don't think it's worth the risk.

I saw one episode where a high school music teacher had plastic surgery. I thought there was *nothing* wrong with how she looked other than, she was aging. But I even thought she aged gracefully. There was a big controversy in her town about her plastic surgery because they didn't think it was good for a teacher role model to do that. What do you all think?

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little_tippler

oh god...just watched the little video clip....this is ghastly...this poor misguided girl...so stupid stupid stupid. What a shame. MEN SUCK!

plus that guys she's with..?!?! what's so great about HIM....jeez that's dumb!

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We are ever unapparent. What we are
Cannot be transfused into word or book.
Our soul from us is infinitely far.
However much we give our thoughts the will
To be our soul and gesture it abroad,
Our hearts are incommunicable still.
In what we show ourselves we are ignored.
The abyss from soul to soul cannot be bridged
By any skill of thought or trick of seeming.
Unto our very selves we are abridged
When we would utter to our thought our being.
We are our dreams of ourselves, souls by gleams,
And each to each other dreams of others' dreams.

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SiN

No, THEY DON'T!


...sorry, just a pet peeve of mine.


anyways, other than that I don't have much to say on this specific show, as I don't watch boradcast television (meaning, i watch some shows I download and that's it).

...and I'm not in the US ....

in response to anti fish's question - I have no problem with it. ( the teacher thing). not ideal, but i can think of far worse teacher-role-model problems.

I do hope at least, there was some discussion between her and her students during the controversy.

i'm not gonna say i'm 100% for or against plastic surgery, only that, like anything else, it's personal, and the decision *should* be made responsibly/smartly.

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maleficent

There's a very attractive young woman who participates in this forum who had plastic surgery not all that long ago. She was beautiful before. Did she need it? No probably not, but if it made her feel better about herself, and how she thinks that she looks, then it's worth it to her.

As for the teacher, I can go both ways on it, if she was doing it because she was afraid of getting older and was desperate to hang on to her youth, then that's really not the right reason for doing it. If she did it because it would make her feel better about herself, then that's the right reason. I surely wouldn't mind getting rid of the laugh craters between my eyes... but I have better things to spend my money on.

The woman who wanted to look like Carmen Electra makes me sad, because it doesn't seem like she was doing it for herself, she was doing it for the boyfriend, and that will make her self esteem take a bigger hit.

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Grasshopper Green

Hmm...I hope my response wasn't taken as negative towards plastic surgery in general, because that is not my opinion. I know several women who have had plastic surgery and have been much happier because of it. My sister wouldn't have a face if it weren't for plastic surgery; she was in a terrible car accident and crushed her nose, cheeks, and broke her jaw. I don't think plastic surgery is the problem, its the TV shows that take beautiful women, or even average women, and have them point out all their flaws and then fix them or make them look like celebs. I think that is a major detriment to women everywhere, because it makes profit from an issue that many women have, which is negative body image; this issue is reinforced by the media and constant attention on "perfect" thin, beautiful celebrities. It's profit made by a problem caused in the most part by the media in the first place, which I find disgusting.

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TigerAngel

It doesn't help that women who fit the "perfect" steriotype quite often ridicule the rest of us. I heard that some surgeons won't operate unless the patient goes through councelling first.

In response to an earlier post: Men don't suck, stupidity and insensitivity sucks. Selfishness sucks, too. And for all the men that have these "qualities," I hope they learn to grow up.

little_tippler

I don't have anything against plastic surgery, for the right reasons. For me, personally, it's the wrong choice. I'd like bigger boobs and a straighter cuter nose and some fat sucked out around my middle bla bla bla...but I really feel that submitting myself to any unnecessary surgery is such a risk, that it's not worth it. Also, most of these only last x years, so what's the point? Especially when you hear about all the complications that can come from these surgeries. It's also artificial...it's not you. At the end of the day, natural is better.

As for my MEN SUCK comment...well I was only venting. I don't mean that, I thought it was obvious. Certain men with certain attitudes make me angry.

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Whether we write or speak or do but look
We are ever unapparent. What we are
Cannot be transfused into word or book.
Our soul from us is infinitely far.
However much we give our thoughts the will
To be our soul and gesture it abroad,
Our hearts are incommunicable still.
In what we show ourselves we are ignored.
The abyss from soul to soul cannot be bridged
By any skill of thought or trick of seeming.
Unto our very selves we are abridged
When we would utter to our thought our being.
We are our dreams of ourselves, souls by gleams,
And each to each other dreams of others' dreams.

Fernando Pessoa, 1918

la petite moi

Society is getting more and more stupid. Ridiculous.

JustJess

We can’t be all that unusual to know that we are better as ourselves, but it seems like we are. What drives a person to need this kind of radical change in order to feel good about themselves? If anyone has gone through this sort of thing, please help me to understand the needs behind it.
My current view on the need for plastic surgery is pretty tangled and undefined… the burn victim, the car accident, the breast cancer, no question but that the person should have whatever will help them get back to themselves. I get the stomach-stapling, when it’s such a huge weight difference that it’s not likely the person could ever lose it conventionally. But bigger breasts, or a face lift, or collagen shots… yes, you should only do it for yourself, but why do you need to do it for yourself? That’s the part I don’t understand.

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SiN

neither do I ....understand why you think people do it because they need to, not because of varying degrees of wanting to ...

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Maleigh99

Oh my goodness I saw that episode! I felt the exact same way you feel about it veruca. It was so sad because you're right, she was pretty to begin with and you just felt like she shouldn't be wasting her time with that dumb guy. She even mentioned how she was in a previous relationship where the guy was always criticizing her and telling her how she wasn't good enough. I was like Hello! This guy is doing the same thing! Self-esteem.

hunnychile

This is a good thread! I've seen those shows too. I discussed these procedures with an older women friend I know, who had a major plastic surgerys (after all, I live in Northern California where it's becoming all to common-these ladies abound). This lovely lady had a facelift to remove the extra chin droop & had her eyes done. She went to a great/recommended doctor and it was amazing how much younger she looks now. However, she did say that if she knew in advance how horribly painful it was & the long time it took until she healed & looked good again...she might have reconsidered. But she IS glad she did this & it was a bit expensive. She spent $9 thousand dollars on the operation. It took several hours. I share this info. because it's true. Maybe we need to be more realistic about what we think we want and what are we really willing to endure in the name of beauty. She said her hubby thought it was a waste of money, that he always thought she was gorgeous, no matter what age she is & how saggy her neck was.

Interesting, huh? Sounds like real love!

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