05-11-2004, 11:50 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Executing American civilians in Iraqi...
My question is this.. what was this guy doing in Iraqi in the first place. Perhaps I missed it, but all the article says is that he was a small business owner in PA....so what is this guy doing in Iraqi?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._re_mi_ea/iraq killing soliders in wartime is one thing, but I guess we should not expect any better from people who see flying planes into buildings as an act of heroism.
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05-11-2004, 11:59 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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He was a civilian contractor. I don't know what he was doing, but it's possible he was working for the Haliburton subsidiary.
Killing civilians is wrong, but what those few soldiers did to humiliate those Iraqi prisoners wasn't much better. I'm not surprised something like this is happening - it pisses me off too much to write more.
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05-11-2004, 12:00 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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He was there building cell towers I believe, thinking he could help re-build the infrastructure of the country.
It's a shame that he was killed that way. The one's that did it were praising god as they did it? I don't get that, but that's why they are extremest. Yes, we acted inappropriately towards some captured soldiers, but taking a life as revenge is not the answer either. |
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05-11-2004, 12:27 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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05-11-2004, 12:35 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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Did you notice that in the pictures, the Iraqis are always hooded and the Americans are showing their faces?
The prison pictures, we can identify the guards but not the prisoners. The terrorists cover their faces and show their victims. I've always wondered why those who are supposedly so devout and dedicated to their cause, Palistenian militants, Iraqi insurgents, feel the need to hide behind masks. Maybe, besides the fear of reprisal from their enemies, their cause isn't so popular to be pursued out in the open.
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05-11-2004, 12:39 PM | #7 (permalink) | |
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05-11-2004, 01:16 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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05-11-2004, 01:45 PM | #13 (permalink) | |
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05-11-2004, 02:17 PM | #14 (permalink) | |
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Still - I agree it is shameful behavior.
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05-11-2004, 02:22 PM | #15 (permalink) | |
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05-11-2004, 02:34 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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"Last month, Iraqi militants videotaped the killing of Italian hostage Fabrizio Quattrocchi, but the Arab TV network Al-Jazeera refused to air it because it was too graphic. "
They're just using the USA's abuse of Iraqi prisoners as an excuse. This isn't NEW. Any wonder why our soldiers have a strong distaste for the Iraqi military???
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05-11-2004, 02:54 PM | #17 (permalink) | |
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All the soldiers in question were reservists - probably frustrated about being away from their families for so long.
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05-11-2004, 03:16 PM | #18 (permalink) | |
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OK, I'll accept that you believe that, but to believe that without admitting the following is disingenuous at best: I guess they saw it as "7 Americans tortured Iraqi prisoners, so ALL Americans are evil." Looks a bit different now, doesn't it. |
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05-11-2004, 03:49 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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I agree with shakran's evaluation. I believe it's dangerous to generalize like that. Shakran, In Cartmen's defense (and giving him the benefit of the doubt) when I first read that, I implied that he meant all as in ALL Al Qaeda. Which is still generalizing, but a generalization I'm sure many would agree with. However, if he meant all Arabs like you interpreted it, I agree that it was a poor generalization.
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05-11-2004, 03:51 PM | #20 (permalink) | |
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05-11-2004, 05:09 PM | #22 (permalink) | |
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This whole thing just makes me sick, its sad that we as humans are capable of such disgusting things. We can all thank Mr Bush for the 25 000 + deaths so far. |
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05-11-2004, 05:11 PM | #23 (permalink) | |
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05-11-2004, 05:12 PM | #24 (permalink) | |
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05-11-2004, 05:36 PM | #25 (permalink) | |
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I've supported our troops the whole way and have stayed neutral on the war up to this point...but now I am against the war, because deaths are going up and some of those deaths are people who weren't meant to die for their country, like this instance here. For shame.
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05-11-2004, 05:36 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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Something doesn't smell right about those prison pictures...
the way they were released...leaked....I don't know...I just don't know. I just think we can forget about oil...we can forget about regime change...we can forget about weapons of mass destruction as being the reason for all this mess. What we have here baby, is a god-damned Holy War. Full-Tilt boogie. The snakes are out of the cage and it's Them or Us. /jesus wept
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05-11-2004, 06:00 PM | #27 (permalink) | |
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05-11-2004, 06:04 PM | #28 (permalink) | |
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I'm really disgusted by them...
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05-11-2004, 06:08 PM | #29 (permalink) |
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Does the link have the video? If so, you should warn people.
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05-11-2004, 06:08 PM | #30 (permalink) |
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No, the link doesn't have the video. Its yahoo for goodness sake...
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05-11-2004, 06:09 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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I do think something like this would have happened had the press not uncovered our abuse of the Iraqui prisoners. But that doesn't make what we are doing any less wrong.
This is probably the scariest war, because we are seeing all of its effects on television, through the internet, and we are hearing about them via satellite. All wars are awful, but this shows the true outcome of war- death- and it puts a face to the many thousands of names. If we don't change something soon, what is to stop them from coming over here and doing to us what we are doing to them? I understand that literally, we have an army to stop them, but we have been fortunate as a country (I am not sure if that is the right word- fortunate) to have very few wars on our own land. I hope that our luck with that does not run out. Sorry, but this war shit scares me, so I needed to rant. And the actions seen today need to be some sort of an indicator to our leaders- shit or get off the pot.
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05-11-2004, 06:10 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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Nick Berg w/o Head = Naked Iraqi on Leash?
sure you're right. a few naked iraqis and the liberal left and entire arab world demands apology...but cut off the head of an innocent civilian, and it barely makes a ripple. i am sure islam will be issuing an apology first thing in the morning *holding my breath*...and then the liberal left will apologize for thier conspiracy to unleash the prisoner abuse scandal as a means of disrupting Bush's reelection campaign but which instead has now given islam lisence to perform the acts seen on the full version of the nick berg execution video. which by the way, is available on the net. CNN and ABC may think they know best about what you should and should not be seeing, but there are still a few news sources who protect your right to decide whether or not you want to see for yourself the kind of horrilbe shit humanity is capable of. be warned, it is disturbing...i wasnt ready for it and i wish i hadnt viewed it. nonetheless, having viewed it, and having the seen the nature of our enemy without the assistance of the tinted glass the liberal media would have us view through, i am glad and proud to have President Bush doing his part to rid the world of these ruthless murdering bastards.
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05-11-2004, 06:29 PM | #33 (permalink) | |
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From what I have read, Iraqi insurgents torturing Americans doesn't seem to be commonplace either. This incident might not have even been conducted by Iraqis. It is reported that it is Al Qaeda, and until otherwise proven, I'll go with that. Al Qaeda is made up of rogues that are outcasts from their countries - Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. I would even go as far to say that a majority of the insurgents we are fighting in Iraq aren't even Iraqi - they're Yemeni, Syrian and Irani. I don't want to get too deep here....
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05-11-2004, 06:47 PM | #35 (permalink) | |
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I lay the blame on the pussies in the video. They can try that shit with our soldiers, but statistics show that they're about 99.9% likely to get owned trying to kidnap a U.S. soldier.
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05-11-2004, 06:49 PM | #36 (permalink) | |
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The idea underlying both is a failure to respect the rights of another human being. In one case, their very right to life, their right to be free from psychological abuse. The leash image is certainly "not as bad" but it exists on the same continuum of man's inhumanity to man - that extends all the way from punching a guy for being a certain race or creed....to mass genocide. The very existence of the United States is meant to refute this inhumanity. America is meant to be the world's (last?) best hope for the rights of man. This is the underlying ideology. The beheading hardens my resolve against forgiving the inhumanity of the prison guards. It shows me how truly bad things CAN become in this world and how America shold resist all temptation to ever set off down the same dark path. |
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05-11-2004, 06:53 PM | #37 (permalink) | |
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Censorship-bomb their HQ please.
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05-11-2004, 07:00 PM | #38 (permalink) | |
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The problem is that America has a double standard, everything they do is right, but everything the so called enemy does is wrong. Dont get me wrong, I feel awful for what happened to that young civilian, and believe that those responsible should be killed for what they have done, but please stop making it seem like the entire islamic people are at fault for everything and that they are evil killers when Mr Bush started this entire thing to begin with. I am not on anyones side, I disagree with war in general. |
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I'm not sure who you're directing the comment "but please stop making it seem like the entire islamic people are at fault..." to. But I hope it certainly isn't me, because I don't believe I haven't EVER portrayed all Islamic people being bad.
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05-11-2004, 07:11 PM | #40 (permalink) |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by forseti-6
[B] Wrong and wrong. #1 Americans don't kill and torture Iraqis. Don't generalize - please, it can get messy that way. A few *bad soldiers* tortured these Iraqis. What about the "bad" soldiers that kill 'em every day out there in the streets of town or the sands? I'm not for the war one bit, I think it's gonna get us in trouble more than we can possibly imagine... This cannot be won by guns alone. The major downfall of this war was the fact that the TV was allowed to sanitize the war to the American people, and only show by the majick of editing, the "bad guys" doing horrible things to our soldiers and civilians. But our guys are doing the same thing, as proven by the photos. I'm almost 100% certain that there are far more graphic pictures out there of what occured. Turn the cameras off, quit reporting from the front, and let us fight the way they do... Dirty as all fucking get out. In and out in less than a month if we go balls out and launch every piece of artillery we've got... what about this "shock and awe" thing? It didn't awe them at all. It's like setting an ant hill on fire or knocking down a bees nest. They are fucking pissed off at us swatting at them, an there are a whole lot more of them than there are of us. This frustrates me so much, hopefully some of this makes some sense. Sorry for the rant if it was deemed that.
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