derph65

Tiger wants to come back is PGA ready to accept him in? I know the PGA has lost lots of cash because of him but Tiger's issue will always follow him whether He is on the course or not Well the media will hype it up so much I don't know if He is ready to handle the pressure. It's not like golf

Manic_Skafe

Why care?

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spindles

America got over Bill Clinton's indiscretions. They'll get over Tiger's as well.

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Terrell

I think the PGA will be quite happy to have him back. So will the networks that broadcast the tournament, and the advertisers whose products will be shown. Ratings are significantly higher when Tiger plays than when he doesn't, which means more money for the networks, and more people to see the products/services of the advertisers.

Also the Masters is fairly strict about the behaviour of those who attend, it's probably likely that if a reporter tries to get in Tiger's face, or acts outside the rules of decourm for Augusta, they will likely be shown the door, and not invited back for future tournaments.

dlish

who remembers Michael Jordans indescretions? not many...

This will blow over, and Tiger will go back to being Tiger. everyone will make money, and the sponsors will be knocking at his door once again. All will live happily ever after. except maybe a few call girls. Its not like he took steroids or anything. i hope he kicks some serious butt

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yournamehere

How sick does a society have to be to make spoiled, rich athletes and entertainers their role models, anyway?

What's his cheating have to do with his golfing ability? Absolutely nothing.

As dlish pointed out, as long as the rich get richer, life goes on. They don't care what we think, unless it adversely affects their bottom line. And it won't.

BTW, If we can forget that Accenture was once Arthur Anderson (does Enron ring a bell, anyone?), I think we can forget about a few waitress quickies.
What hypocrisy on their part!

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hunnychile

Yes, I totally agree about our society being pretty damn sick. I could care less that Tiger is gonna play golf again. America doesn't give a flying F**k if their hero screws waitresses and cheats on his wife and children...all that matters is that the big Sponsors don't loose any money. It's so tainted...and over.

From now on I hope all the young up 'n comin' golfers start to score better than Tiger. I no longer think he's worth the time to watch him swing (no pun intended either)

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derph65

Thank you all to who responded. Whether you are about it or how your perspective on subject its great to have diverse opinion. For ultimately the price will be paid by the person that executed it. Yes the world's perception on taboo subject is kind of skewed. As a result, all of subject regarding censorship is always on extreme ends of spectrum !

Baraka_Guru

I think people should get over it. He's not the first person in human history to have extramarital sexual relations.

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Cynthetiq

and he won't be the last. See Jesse James had sex.

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derph65

Some of you believe that its no big deal. What is the hype about. Sadly The "Prodigy" fail to meet the social norm expectation. Is this to be expected? or Has society sunk so low in standards? As I've stated the Society is skewed on Moral Standards. We now live in sad state where morals don't matter. Yet, its strange that laws regarding Moral Standards are scrutinized on daily basis.

Cynthetiq

Morals only matter in certain venues. Why does it matter in professional sports or TV stars? Who cares? Will it change them from being able to perform on stage or screen? Play their chosen sport?

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Baraka_Guru

I think this glosses over things too much.

The reason why it's a big deal is because many people think professional sports is a big deal. Yes, Tiger amounts mainly to a guy who can swing a golf club, but really, really well. People see more than that. People see overcoming odds, dedication, persistence, victory against all, blah, blah, blah, and they value these things. They see that as worthy for a role model. So when these folks show their weaknesses---their humanness---the public takes notice and obsesses over it.

People tend to forget that Tigers Woods eats, shits, and sleeps like the rest of us.

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Cynthetiq

That's the crux here. It shouldn't matter but it does right? That's where it's misappropriated moral outrage or concern.

Morality is only important when morality is important from that individual. Morality from a priest or spiritual leader? Expected. Shocking when there's a sex scandal of any sort there.

From a politician? Well, apparently only if the politician talks about morality and just. Otherwise, other politicians have mistresses and sex and it's no big deal. JFK versus Eliot Spitzer.

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Glory's Sun

I hope he wins the Masters and everyone shuts the fuck up already. I don't know him, will never know him, but I love watching him play. People need to separate the two things and enjoy the talent he has. It's likely we'll never see someone as good as him for a LONG LONG time.

The_Jazz

I couldn't care any less about the whereabouts of Tiger Woods' penis. Everyone who got all titillated about his indiscrections is perilously close to my definition of "moron".

The guy has the sweetest golf swing I've ever seen in my life, and if you've never seen it live, you probably don't understand what I'm saying. HD TV doesn't even do it justice.

Let's not forget that he's coming off an extended layoff because of stress fractures as well as connective tissue damage. He hasn't played in almost a year, plus there's a firestorm (a firestorm of stupidity, but a firestorm nonetheless) raging around him. I'm with gucci - I hope he runs away with it and gets people to shut the fuck up.

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derph65

Hey Cynthetiq,this morning 3/19/2010,in the news they were talking about German Catholic Priest! Sex scandal boy where does this ever end.....?

silent_jay

I could care less who Tiger fucks, just like I don't care if Pete Rose bet on baseball, it doesn't take away from their accomplishments. But while channel surfing tonight, I notice the big ass ticker on HLN doesn't justsay breaking news, no no, not like when Haiti had the earthquake, they had big breaking news about some new sex text from Tiger or too Tiger who knows, pretty bad when a Tiger sext seems to be this important.

SaltPork

He won't be the one billion dollar man this year, but he's not going to be lacking the cash he needs for his lifestyle. everyone makes mistakes, his just got publicized and he was stupid about it. I for one hope he gets this behind him quickly,

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Idyllic

He made vows to his wife, honor, respect, etc... all of which he totally screwed.
I have no respect for a man of so little self dignity that he can't control his own dick while his wife is pregnant, so many women, reportedly no condoms, it sickens me.
Had he not been married or had they been swingers, o.k. but they weren't and he is simply just another liar.
So was clinton, but he lied to America, talk about a role model.
Tit whore tiger will draw a whole new demographic of people to golf, the inquiring minds will want to know, make me laugh, they need to make a porn moving with a tiger look alike, hell maybe tiger will even do it for them, could have been done by now, he just needed the camera. He could have 18 different girls they could name it "tiger plays his favorite 18 holes, I meant whores."

To me it still comes down to the vows he made to Elin and their life together, his indiscretion will haunt her and his children.

It's funny what people are remembered for, clinton won't be remembered for anything but "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" while he smoked his cigar, wearing a blue dress.......

Tiger may have a great swing but he'll always be the lone swinger who left his wife behind. Neither of the boys impress me.

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Merlocke

The man is paid well to swing a golf club. Any other types of swinging are his own business.

Certain swimmers smoked pot once upon a time in the past. Does it make them less of a swimmer today?

I understand it's a one dimensional view of the world, but if people are famous for one thing, does it really mean they must be perfect in all aspects? Everyone has their faults. Pobody's Nerfect. It's just that some have the magnifying glass of the press and media watching every little move. It's not that I condone what he's done, but how can anyone expect anyone else to be perfect?

The man is a golfer, not a porn star. Does a porn star get in trouble for swinging the wrong golf club?

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Idyllic

Then he shouldn't have decided to act like one. Had a woman done this, she would be called a whore and immediately dismissed by the world as trash, look at Monica L, the only man we knew about with her being with was clinton, she's just the punch line in a joke now, one man ruined her life, not that she didn't help.

Tiger sleeps with how many, 13 and he's forgiven because he was "under the media magnifying glass" and if the regular man had done this we wouldn't even know. Well Tiger always knew he was under that glass, his profession and greatness at it put him there and he is No Regular Guy, most of the regular guys I know don't f**k around on the family Like That (maybe once or twice the whole marriage), nor are they that good at golf.

If your so unhappy in your relationship, or your just not adult enough to be honest to the person you've made a commitment to, then you shouldn't be married.

Divorce or separate before you go catting around. Had they been communicating properly he could have told Elin, hey, I'm going to go whore around o.k. and if you don't like it well, let's get divorced or separate, at least given her an opportunity to decide if she wanted to participant in this "story."

About his golf game, that may be the Only thing he is good at, it differently isn't marriage. Nobodies perfect, not even in golf, I'm looking for the next prodigy.
The behavior of our sports stars and etc... has already begun to change young peoples thinking, now it's just consider almost normal for our male athletes to be whores, how is that right. You guys almost expect it now, I wonder if they feel pressure to live up to that expectation, since they are so immediately forgiven because of their "Greatness."

He will never be a "Great Man" just a very talented golfer, he blew that opportunity, wow. If you cheat on the people you love the most and had promised not to, how do you expect anyone to think you will not cheat again, or at the very least lie, in any part of your life.

A cheaters a cheater, a liars a liar. Forgive him all you want, but he did the crime(infidelity), it just seems his punishment was dismissed because he can golf, wouldn't it be great if we all got that pass, No, the world would suck, bunch of liars and cheaters. How would you feel if your dad did that to your mom, think real life here.

As for smoke on the water, he was tested clean at his job, he never made any commitments before hand that he would not go around ringing other peoples bongs, he never even made a commitment to one bong, still it was a young dumb mistake. What's tigers excuse, old bored jerk?

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dlish

Tigers duty is to play golf. Thats what his destiny has always been from the day he was born.

What ever duty he has in his private life is really nobody's concern. He may have commited the crime, but he's paid for his sins in more ways than one. a public flogging, loss of income, rehabilitation amongst other things we dont know about.

For those that decide to boycott Tiger, there's always the people that were never golf fans that have now been brought into the golfing fold, and will follow Tiger with earnest. Exactly what Tigers sponsors and the TV stations want.

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silent_jay

Just a very talented golfer, and what does Tiger do for a living again? Would that be plays golf, who cares if he'll never be a 'great man', he's a golfer, that's what he does, his job isn't to be agreat man.
Seriously Tigers being forgiven? You seen any news coverage of it lately? Sure doesn't look like he's forgiven to me, normal people just don't really care where he sticks his cock, they're more interested in how far his balls can go..

Idyllic

They won't be following because of his golfing skills, he's just another actor in a dramatic soap opera now.

I'm not about boycotting anyone, I just think it's sad that everyone one is seemingly accepting his inappropriate behavior as just another athlete being himself. I don't want my kids to look up to a man who can't even be honest with himself in his personal life. I could give a shit about his golfing, if he wasn't a professional who worked his whole life to be admired for something he wouldn't even matter, but he does, I just can't explain to them why he can be so good at golf and so bad at commitments made to his own wife, which directly impact his children.

Every time I see him now I see the images of his childrens faces and imagine how they will be teased because their father had to go to Sex Rehab, because he couldn't be faithful to their mom. They will forgive him, but it will permanently alter the way they look at men, and commitment to relationships, and will Elin ever trust him again. How will growing up in a family of mistrust effect their future. These are the realities of what he did, no matter how great he is or gets, no matter that he didn't want to be under that glass, no matter how much a personal issue this is, the reality is he will never be the man he was before, the whole thing is just sad.

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Normal people just don't stick their dicks into 13 + different women within their first few years of marriage. And yeah, to a lot of people it did matter, and I find them much more normal then him.

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silent_jay

What does one have to do with the other? His career and public life is as a golfer, whatever else happens is his private life.
Who cares why they follow, will they be paying wiht green or plastic is the only thing that matters to the PGA and his sponsors.
Maybe more parents should do that, teach their kids what proper role models are, rather than blaming athletes for 'changing young peoples thinking'.
What exactly is a normal person? How can you decide if these people it matters to are normal, or if Tiger is not normal for that matter, you don't know Tiger, aside from what you see on the news, and the other people you don't know, they could be crazy for all you know.

Idyllic

If you don't want to be in the public arena, then stay out of it, it was after all, his choice, and his own actions made his life public in both accounts.

Who cares what kind of people will follow as long as they pay? We'll I've been to a few PGA tour moments and their is a distinct difference between those who respect the game, the players and the honor within its history and those who sneak in for the drama of attention, arrgghh, the distraction of having to throw those people out is not fun.

You are right, it is my responsibility to teach my kids, tell me, who should I use now, he was/is the best of the best in golf, the creme' de la creme' and he was still not strong enough to say NO. Now i get to use him to teach them what happens when you get so full of yourself that you lose your own self dignity, great.

As I said the more these athletes believe they can get away with this, the more they think society will accept this, the fewer good men we will have to use as those role models at all, especially it seems the ones who draw the most reverence to begin with, and who initially we believe deserve it, he was the man who encompassed the American dream, what kind of dreamers are we.

Apparently in the beginning, the sponsors didn't think his behavior was normal. His wife didn't think this was normal, his friends didn't think this was normal, his family didn't think this was normal and most of America didn't think this was normal behavior either or it would not have made the news. I think the crazy ones are the ones who say "who cares" and pretend that it just doesn't matter, apparently it mattered, a lot, to a lot of people.

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silent_jay

So because it made the news 'most of America' thought it wasn't normal? Have you seen what makes new in this day and age? Kate Gosselin could take a shit on the lawn and it would be ;breaking news', so just because it makes the news doesn't amke it important or not normal.

Nope the crazy ones are the ones who think it's such a big deal to them, like they know Tiger and who he is and what he feels about this, it's his personal life, just like I don't care who your husband/wife fucks when you aren't around(you ingeneral, not you specifically).
What? You mean no one else encompasses the American dream better than Tiger, chrsit must be a pretty shitty dream, I mean I'm sure there are much better examples of people who lived the American dream than a professional golfer.

Idyllic

I said, (nice last minute edit, silent_jay, I love those to)

That would be precisely why it made the new, had it not, your right, who would have cared.

Yes, I think Obama encompasses the American dream also, hopefully his integrity and self worth are better the tigers, however, not ever kid believes he can grow up to be president, an athlete however, seems much more attainable.

You don't know me, or my husband, therefore, of course I don't matter to you, however, something about tiger interests you or you would not be posting here either. It's all cool, I don't think his a miscreant personally, I just think he really f**ked up. And were I famous, say like Lindsey Vonn, or well maybe Bullock, you may find that a bit more intriguing as most of us do, like a peek behind the curtains of somebody's life, especially somebody we envy or find impressive, if people weren't curious, magazine wouldn't sell, hell half the world wouldn't sell.

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silent_jay

Haha I always make them it seems, 5 minutes after I hit reply my brain clicks back on and says 'you forgot something dummy' haha
As a former athlete who played sports at a rather high level but not the highest in my sport, it isn't easy to attain, is it harder than becoming President, no idea, but most kids who dream of being athletes end up like me, toiling in minor leagues wondering what went wrong.
People don't know Tiger either, I mean some do, but most passing judgement on his character don't, they just know what the Nancy Grace's of the world have on her 'news program'. Tigers golf game is of interest to me, like I said before I don't care what athletes do on their own time, Pete Rose bet on baseball, Bob Probert got caught with coke, Grant Fuhr same thing, Michael Vick fought some dogs, MIchael Irvin smoked some crack, Kevin Stevens smoked crack with a hooker in a hotel room, doesn't take away from what they did or do in their chosen fields and didn't change my opinion of them. I do agree he did fuck up with his actions, but he isn't the first athlete or public figure to cheat and he won't be the last.

ASU2003

As long as he didn't cheat or do drugs to do better at golf, I think he should be allowed to play.

I know I will be watching the Masters now, and I am wondering what the reactions of the people there will be.

derph65

After posting for while it dawned that "Money talks Bullshit walks" this saying applies to Tiger returning to the Golf. It's simply put people pay to see his performance and PGA is happy.
Although my thing is he should be kicked out of PGA a traditional high moral standards game of golf. Even if he wanted to come back. He needs to attend Qualification school as well as Qualification Tournaments to earn the respect of his own fellow players and the PGA Judges alike. I believe that after what he committed he needs a harsh punishment Just like in the book of Scarlet letter. Hibernation does not do justice to the public or himself!

rahl

facing sanctions from the PGA is just ludicrous. This was his personal life, and had nothing to do with playing in the PGA. His performance throughout his PGA carreer pretty much guarantee's him the right to play in any event without having to qualify.

The only way they could sanction him is if infidelity were written into a contract, which to my knowledge it isn't.

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derph65

Just wish Keeping Tradition alive and moral standards in tack. Wonder what Arnie, Jack, Gary,ChiChi would say about Tigers commitment to excellence after he played Masters in April 2010?

dlish

He may have put his black (am i allowed to say that?) balls in white holes off the course, but Tiger's paid to put white balls in holes on the course. so i see absolutely no reason for the PGA to reprimand him for his personal indiscretions. Regardless of how bad some people think they may be.

talk of a reprimand by the PGA is laughable and is unenforceable, no matter how high a moral code golf has. golfers need to have sex too y'know.

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rahl

You can't prove that Jack, Arnie, Gary and ChiChi didn't bang their brains out off the course. You can only prove they didn't get caught. If Tiger comes back and wins the masters you can bet that the story will be about overcoming adversary, being able to focus your mind even when your life is in the shitter.

And I'd be willing to bet that Jack, Arnie, Gary and ChiChi would give him a pat on the back if he does win.

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silent_jay

High moral standards? In golf? Really, even with things like this:
How is that moral to not allow blacks or women to join, yet you're wanting the guy kicked out becasuse he threw it in a few whores while he's married.
When does something one does in his personal life carry over into his job as a golfer? If an office worker fucked around on his wife would you want his boss to fire him as well?

The PGA would get sued to shit by Tiger if they tried to reprimand him for somehting that happened in his personal life, away fro mthe course and his job.

dlish

plus, you dont bite the hand that feeds you. the PGA needs Tiger

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silent_jay

Exactly the PGA needs Tiger a lot more than Tiger needs the PGA at this point and time.

Idyllic

I don't want him banned from golf, I just don't want him venerated as "perfect athlete" or "Americas' greatest" etc... let him play golf, and yes if he can overcome all the issues of his own self incrimination and focus enough to win, good for him. I'm just tired of people thinking that because he's a rich athlete it should be overlooked that he was dick and a jerk and really hurt the people he loved, the people that trusted him I

t will all pass over. I do hope him the best, I just hate it for Elin, either way she has lost so very very much. It makes me angry at him for what he did to her, and his kids. I'm sure he is sorry, at least I hope to God he is.

And you know, I'm just as angry at those stupid idiot bitches who f**ked him, what a bunch of douche bags. They all knew he was married, they knew he had kids, what a bunch of pathetic selfish unintelligent trolling high school minded girls.

The whole damn thing just sucks for everybody involved, including golf. Why the hell didn't he think this through first. I'm sure you men know the answer to that better than I do, I just hope most of you recognize what it did to his wife and his family, I guess that's what bothers me most.

p.s. minor leagues or not, your living your dreams, that should count for a lot, to get to do what you always wanted and be even minor league good at it is exciting and a great accomplishment. I know athletes work hard, I've got two blown knees, ended my track dreams real early. Yeah I probably could have worked my way through it, but life got in the way.

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