rahl

Didn't realize you knew each and every one of the ladies he slept with in order to make that assumption about them

This is the problem with people like you judging someone else that has nothing at all to do with you. Grow up and worry about yourself and your family

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silent_jay

I can understand that, he did hurt his family a lot by his actions.

Ouch, sounds like me, only I have two blown shoulders, and you need shoulders for hockey, much like track would suck with two blown knees, but yeah, life does get in the way of a lot of things, oh the good ole athletic days, seem so long ago lol

Idyllic

I don't have to know them to have an opinion of who I think they are, we are talking about Tiger F**king Woods, they knew he was married...... that says a whole lot about the type of girls these were.

I'm not judging them, merely making an observation based on their well published behavior, hell, half of them gave interviews about how the sex was, nice way to stick it to the wife, sounds like a real classy group of ladies to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, your opinion is a part of this thread also, right, as far as me and my family goes, Life is Good, I am grateful everyday for the blessings God has given me. The only thing I worry about, well worry is wasteful energy, I let you do that.

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rahl

I don't have an opinion on his personal life. I enjoy watching him play golf, I just laugh when people judge another persons morals without knowing a thing about them.

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Idyllic

What morals?

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rahl

The morals(or lack there of) that you took upon yourself to judge about both Tiger and all the Girls he slept with.

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Idyllic

Let me word this properly so as not to offend you any more,

These girls BEHAVED like stupid idiot bitches, they acted like a bunch of douche bags. They all knew he was married, they knew he had kids, what a bunch of pathetic selfish unintelligent trolling high school minded girls they appeared to behave like.

See I am not judging Them, I am merely making stating a personal opinion about how I saw their BEHAVIOR, and how damaging their and Tigers behavior was. I could care less about them personally; it is their behavior I am remarking about.

No society states that it is morally wrong to have an opinion, let alone judge someone, since when is it morally wrong to judge someone, every body judges people.

But, your right, to make any Judgement of their character I would have to know if they thought is was morally o.k. for them to f**k a married man and I guess if they did think it was morally right then I would judge them less as whores and more as just not respecting themselves enough. Again, Every body judges, you’ve already judged the person you believe me to be because of my posts, and I can tell you, whatever you believe isn’t going to change how I feel about what these women did.

But if it will make you feel better, I won’t judge you for being so morally upright, thanks for trying to be my conscience. I’ll pass on your implied judgement of my lack of morals, maybe next time.

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yournamehere

Well, the call on Tiger's morals is pretty much a slam-dunk for anyone not suffering from a bad case of hero worship. And his fame is such that he wasn't just "some dude" the women hooked up with - we're talking about women who knew they were sleeping with a married man with a family. That's pretty much all I need to know to judge their morals.

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derph65

Doesn't Tiger know he can live like a King but Why come back to PGA? Was it to redeem his pride or Is it something else ? We will never know unless if he writes a book like an Autobiography.......

silent_jay

Why come back to the PGA? I bet it's because he loves the game, he's played it since he was a child, I mean don't have to wait for a book to figure that one out, to me it's the obvious reason.

derph65

If he love the game so much why did he go Hibernate He committed an excusable crime, basically cheat so Be a fricken Man about come out deal with it Not fucken hibernate like a whippy sissy... Thats whats odd He can be a Great on the Course but To be a Man He needs to Mature! He needs a lesson in Life if you ask me.......

Baraka_Guru

What do you mean here: "Ignore the needs of his family" or "Abandon his family"? What's the "Man" thing to do, exactly? Choose golf over his family? Is that the best way to deal with it?

Life isn't always a zero-sum game.

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silent_jay

Not hibernate? Who did Tiger hurt by his actions? His family, that's what he was dealing with, he doesn't have to prove anything to his 'public' he has to live with his family, that's the relationship he has to fix first, what you see as being a 'whippy sissy' is somebody taking responsibility for his actions and trying to get his personal life sorted.

To be a man, what the hell does that even mean, the guy is dealing with the harm he caused his family, to me that says enough that he is being a man about things.

Baraka_Guru

silent_jay, you said it better than I could have.

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silent_jay

Cheers Baraka, I just don't know how someone can interpret his dealing the harm he's caused his family as him hibernating or being a 'whippy sissy', I mean had he come back golfing the next week he would have lost the respect of more people than him taking time off to deal with his issues.

derph65

Silent_jay, essentially you are correct but I think Tiger has made a grave error in judgment as he has betrayed a trust of not only his own family but society as a whole. Look at all the endorsements that he used to have Nike, Cadillac, even his own webpage. He now has to reclaim all of it.

dlish

im sorry derph, but Tiger doesnt owe society shit.

He may have betrayed his family's trust, but he never swore an oath to society.

In the face of adversity, im sure Tiger would do just as well if not better, if society shunned him. Thats just Tiger.

once the sponsors see that someone else is having a piece of their pie, they'll come back begging for a crumb.

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silent_jay

I wasn't essentially correct, I was correct, family is all that matters in this situation, he hurt his family, that is the wound he needs to heal, fuck what society thinks of him, he owes society shit, he has to look his wife and kids in the eye every day of his life knowing what he did, he doesn't have to seek the approval of his fans, they're just that fans, he has to fix his family, the ones he has to look at everyday, is it seriously that hard to understand, society means fuck all in this situation.

Umm his own website like this one you mean, a simple Google search tells you he still has one
TigerWoods.com: The Official Site of Tiger Woods
As for endorsements dlish said it perfectly, once they see somebody else cashing in their meal ticket, they'll be back.

Glory's Sun

Just want to clear one thing up.. Nike is still a sponsor of Tiger.

Tiger did what he felt he should do. To sit here and say that he should have continued to play golf and ignore the problems and the underlying contributors would only put him in the same situations that he found himself in before, is selfish. We have no idea what's going on behind closed doors with him and his family, and frankly, I couldn't care less. He doesn't owe me or anyone else anything (with the exception of his family) just as I don't owe him anything either. Support him, denounce him, do what you want, but, I can bet you any sum of money that he's going to be better than he was before. He may not win the Masters this go around, but he's going to be back in his dominant and intimidating form before we realize what happened.

I think his return to golf is about healing and about proving to himself and his family that he can overcome his personal issues. I've never seen another player in all of sport with the steel nerves and mental concentration that Tiger has. Now that he's addressed his issues and is putting them behind him, he'll once again return to god like status in the game of golf. He'll probably tell the sponsors who left to fuck off when they come crawling back as well.

Like I said before, I don't give a shit about his personal life and the dealings that go on. I just love watching the man swing a club. Jazz is right that when you see it in person, it takes on a whole new dimension. I hope he destroys the field at the Masters and can point two middle fingers up at all the doubters, the ignorant media and anyone else who forgets that he's a person as well as a sportsman.

The_Jazz

Yes...

Yes...

Yes...

Are you kidding me?!

No athlete in the world owes society anything, as others have said. An athlete has one job - to perform. He is not a role model for anything except performance in his chosen event. Everyone (and I mean everyone) has things that they wish that they hadn't done because they're embarrassing later. Some of those things are worse than others and some are more titillating that others, but at the end of the day they're still NOBODY'S FUCKING BUSINESS!


Still has Nike, still has the web page. He still makes more money in an hour than 99.5% of Americans do in a year.

Derph, you want to get mad at an athlete that actually did something wrong? Go look up Michael Irvin's record some time. Better yet, look at pretty much the entire Oakland Raiders organization.

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Cynthetiq

I think this is a better way of explaining this as spoken by Mr. Charles Barkley.

"I am not a role model." - Charles Barkley

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Jetée

(note: this is not a response to you, per se, but I really liked the whole of your post, so I thought it beared rementioning)

The majority of people see what Tiger did as wrong, but there's no law in place currently to make him "pay" for what we did, and how a certain sect of the population now views Woods with burning hate; it doesn't matter what you think, or I think (which is very little of this subject) or even what the world does (short of actually going extreme and doing Tiger physical harm).

Yes, the bottom line still remains at this: Tiger Woods is still considered to be the world's greatest athlete by some, and the face and the absolute, undisputed ambassador of his chosen sport (golf) at this current time. As long as he still has a desire to play, and play well, in time, he will reclaim some, not all, of his tarnished image. The PGA certainly wants him back, as does Nike and a few of his fan supporters, and so long as he is there to compete, he will land on his feet. All other things, he brushes it aside as if he doesn't care, and neither do I. His family situation is his business, just the same as mine is my own.

and as a follow-up to take Barkley (and kinda coincidental he is a personal friend of Tiger's) at his word:

"I'm still a human being, and I'm gonna do some things that are right, and some things that are wrong. But the main reason people make athletes role models is because they play a sport well, and that's not good enough."

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MoonDog

Tiger Woods is a golfer. He plays perhaps the best game of golf ever - period.
I enjoy watching him play, and I will continue to watch. I will continue to pay to watch, when the opportunity arises.

I doubt that Tiger Woods set out to be a role model. The people who venerated him, his handlers, the corporations that thrust him onto a pedestal to better sell their wares or images...they made him a role model. I'm not silly enough to believe that he didn't understand the consequences, and so I assume that he accepted that mantle when he accepted the paychecks, the awards, and the adulation.

But who cares? Honestly, there is too much given to the concept of athlete as role model, of actor as role model, etc etc etc. I've never had time for it.

That being said, he's done the right thing, stepped up, and taken the blame squarely. He's lost personally, professionally, and financially from this - I'm not interested in judging him, nor placing my moral expectations upon him.

Hmm, I feel like I have rambled incoherently here. Take this as you will - can't be bothered to edit for comprehension at this hour