11-10-2008, 08:53 AM | #41 (permalink) |
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Me too, sometimes. My desire to eat meat is also directly affected by my cycle; I can usually make do with non-heme iron (iron from plant sources) most of the month, but when I have my period, my body insists upon heme iron, or else I get very, very irritable.
Jinn, what's it say about type Os? I'm an O+. I'd be interested to know.
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11-10-2008, 09:09 AM | #42 (permalink) |
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I believe O was moderate protein, minimal grain and AEROBIC exercise. I was more interested in B (mine) but I remember O was similar except in exercise regimen. I'd have go digging to find that book in my closet, but if I remember I'll look tonight.
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I've even read that the author has gotten it wrong when it comes to the history and evolution of blood types. It's possible that he's corrected this in subsequent editions, and it's great that there is research going on, especially if there is any validity to it, but there isn't enough credible evidence to suggest that we need to eat these ways based only on what blood type we are. Quote:
I remember on a number of occasions where I'd crave meat ravenously. I think it's because I wasn't eating enough protein in general, or maybe because I wasn't eating enough calories in total. I don't think it could be attributed to any form of protein specifically, whether it be plant or animal derived. Cravings can also be psychological. We crave things we have enjoyed in the past. I've craved hamburgers and fries a number of times. I don't think there is anything in our evolutionary makeup that would suggest we are programmed to crave hamburgers and fries. It's interesting, though. I still crave hamburgers and fries, and soy burgers do the trick just as well as cow burgers.
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11-10-2008, 09:36 AM | #45 (permalink) | |
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There is nothing I love more in life than a juicy cheeseburger. With these, I can pretty much eat cheeseburgers any time I want. I don't, but I could. In the interest of eating locally, I also substitute the local vegetarian restaurant's Sunburgers occasionally, but I do love Morningstar Farms burgers, corn dogs, chick'n tenders, etc. Yum. And don't get me started on how much I love Quorn. You couldn't eat Quorn, Baraka, as it has egg white as a binder and therefore is not vegan, but because it's made of mycoprotein, it has a similar mouthfeel to meat, unlike many other meat substitutes. Talk about a threadjack, but forgive me; I think it's important to address the role meat substitutes can play in a person's diet, even if they aren't vegetarian.
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11-10-2008, 10:23 AM | #46 (permalink) |
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Surprisingly I used to eat veggie burgers when I worked in the field. We had a lab with a freezer and I would grab some patties out of there, grab a coarse mesh plate that we use to wash dirt samples, and a pot of water to go over a hotplate. I'd put the mesh over the pot, boil the water, and put the frozen patty on the mesh. Oh and I'd go out in the field first and collect a few large dockweed plants and boil those at the same time as greens. I could put both greens (after being pressed with paper towel) and patty on some bread and have a sandwich right there. It got me through the day, because working so hard out there, alone, you need some backup food when you get hypoglycemic. I never ate the caterpillars that came with the greens, because there was alot of pesticide used out there and it tends to collect in fatty tissues over plant tissues and biomagnify.
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An example of this is the soy cheese slices you see everywhere here. They're normally by the Yves brand deli meats. (I'm not sure if the cheese is Yves or not.) If you look at the ingredients of the cheese, everything is fine except that they've included casein, which is a milk protein. There are other products out there, such as block soy cheese in health food stores, but they're expensive. Well, so is regular cheese too, I guess.... Anyway, I can do without cheese, especially when you discover such things as miso gravy and whatnot to put on your burgers. There is little more rewarding to me than eating a fully loaded grain burger on some nice bread--especially if some avocado has found its way on there somewhere.
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11-10-2008, 11:33 AM | #52 (permalink) | |
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I eat meat and animal products because I think they're delicious. I also eat plenty of non-animal products, because I think they're delicious as well. Honey, especially good honey that's locally produced instead of mass produced, tastes incredibly different and has a completely different mouthfeel than any of the other sugars you mentioned. I don't need to eat any of them, but I value the variety and the ability to eat them when I want to do so. |
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11-10-2008, 11:39 AM | #53 (permalink) |
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On that note, it seems to me like the vegan wants to eat the stuff you find on the Nebuchadnezzar on The Matrix. Artificial and everything you need, nothing hurt in the process.
Well, every other animal on this planet hurts something, and some of them would gladly hurt us. It's the circle of life, which is why I've never tried or wanted to be separate from it. I know that sticking cows in a barn "cell" to keep the meat tender is not the circle of life either, but aside from those situations is more what I'm referring to.
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That's not the point. The point of a vegan diet includes doing what you can to minimize needless suffering. We know we kill organisms by boiling vegetables, and that many beings die as a result of the farming process. We're not attempting the impossible here; we're doing what we reasonably can to be compassionate.
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11-10-2008, 01:07 PM | #55 (permalink) |
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Well I'm still trying to understand the vegan mindset, so bear with me. I know people have different motivations for what they do but as a general rule, do vegans eat as such to minimize death, or it is health? Might it be both, but one takes precedence over the other? Are there any other factors? I'm not going on the offensive here, at least not trying to. I'm truly ignorant of why.
For me, unless God popped down from the heavens and told me so in a very obvious manner, or unless my doctor told me I was deathly allergic, I would not give up a little honey every now and then for anything. Especially on a tortilla with a little butter...mmmm. ...sorry, I'm a little hungry. In that case I'm sure a few bees are killed during harvest (just sliding them off the honeycomb), but does it warrant a complete boycott of honey? Isn't that a little...severe? Or is there another reason? That's what I'm trying to learn now.
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11-10-2008, 01:13 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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I eat a lot healthier now that I'm vegetarian than I ever did when I ate meat. There are other factors at work besides going veggie (I pay more attention to what I eat, and don't eat processed foods nearly as much, for starters), but by eliminating meat, I had to branch out from the "meat and potatoes" meals that I was used to. I wouldn't touch broccoli a few years ago, and now it's a staple. So, yeah, by eating a larger variety of food, I don't have to worry that I'm lacking on something. I get calcium from my orange juice and soymilk, plus veggies like spinach and broccoli; iron from cereal, beans, pumpkin seeds... also, vitamin C helps absorb iron, and I know I get plenty of that from OJ and strawberries (yum ) It's not a boring or unhealthy way to eat, unless of course, you do it wrong. Cookies and potato chips can be vegetarian, but they certainly aren't healthy. Oh, and something else I was thinking of (this is getting long, but I haven't been on in a couple days, so I'm just now reading the posts after mine): I have cravings for meat, but I've always found something non-meatish to satisfy the cravings. Gardenburger Riblets are awesome, for example (although I don't eat them often.) My boyfriend came up with an awesome tofu recipe that tastes like buffalo wings. The cravings don't happen very often, though... mostly I want things, as Baracka pointed out, like soy lattes, or my veggie/pasta stir-fry. Mmmmmm.
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11-10-2008, 01:14 PM | #57 (permalink) | |
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I don't have cravings for meat. I don't enjoy meat-flavored soy-ish burgers. They are passable when nothing else is available, but barely.
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I take an iron suppliment once daily during the week leading up to my monthly flow. I have done this since I started menstrating, because anemia is a common concern among the women in my family. This is not new since becoming vegetarian. One month ago I began taking a women's daily multivitamin that is catered to healthy skin, nails, and hair. My calcium sources: cheese, plain nonfat yogurt, whole milk, calcium-enriched orange juice on occasion. Before I became vegetarian, I did not consume as much dairy as I do presently, so I took calcium suppliments. A few months into the vegetarian diet, I realized the calcium supplimets were overkill and cut them out.
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11-10-2008, 01:24 PM | #58 (permalink) | |
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There are other issues as well, such as ecological impact, food security, economics, human rights, etc. I don't blame you, though. Many find the honey thing to be a bit extreme. But look at it this way. Vegans make simple choices to minimize the harm brought upon the animal kingdom. If you look at the honey industry, hive farms are quite extensive. Many of them essentially cull up to 20% of their farms each year for various reasons, many hives are destroyed accidentally. The other issue is that bees are often transported great distances (for them) for various production reasons, which is also harmful if not deadly to many of them. Finally, honey is produced by bees at a great expense of labour. They do this to produce food for their colony. We humans allow them to do this simply so we can take it from them. We also take wax, pollen, royal jelly (the queen's food), and resin. It's simple. Vegans wish to take no part in this industry, as it can be quite destructive to millions of insects. The alternatives are enjoyed widely. I'm a big fan of molasses, agave nectar, and maple syrup.
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11-10-2008, 02:10 PM | #59 (permalink) |
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Thanks Baraka. I understand now, and I respect the choice more. Honestly. I can see why vegans and vegetarians in general, then, talk about growing their own food. I can tell you now, working directly in agricultural research for years (and maybe again soon since my IT jobs have disappeared) that one week of treatment in a field kills vastly more insects than an entire harvest of honey on a farm could ever hope of killing in terms of bees. And that's on a small farm, I'm not even beginning to touch on the big operations.
It might also explain why my sister took up buddhism, however like I said before, she's more into the "fad" than the actual practice, at least towards other humans. She's a hateful creature, makes me as a teenager look nice LOL. Thanks also Cinnamon and Genuine, it gives me more insight into how people can do the diet, and why the result can be so varied. I do think there is a genetic component to this as well, making it easier for some and harder for others. It makes sense, but of course isolating the factors and being able to read someone's dietary needs through DNA is the holy grail of all dieters the world over.... and it's not going to happen anytime soon.
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11-10-2008, 02:14 PM | #61 (permalink) |
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I am an omnivore (the same as most human beings). Omnivore simply means that we can eat pretty much anything. However, I CHOOSE to be vegetarian. I'm not vegan ... I do eat dairy ... but only regional free-range. Still, what has that got to do with it? It's still taking a potential life or denying life ... or hurting some animal.
My reasons for being vegetarian are just that: MY REASONS. Why would I even begin to suggest that my choice is right for anyone else? Why would I expect anyone to make concessions for me because of my choice? My wife and daughter are NOT vegetarian. My in-laws wanted to take us out to eat last night. Where did we go? Outback Steakhouse because that's where they wanted to go. Did I whine and complain about it? No ... I had a salad. If I wanted to take them to a vegetarian restaurant (on my tab) would they complain? No ... because we have respect for each other. I feel you on the whole sanctimony and arrogance issue, luciferase ... I can't stand when ANYONE gets on a soapbox. Yes, humans are omnivore and that is how we evolved. Humans also evolved as opportunistic eaters. We ate what was available ... locally. If that means we do without one kind of food over another then that's what we did. We are cunning though ... we realized we could herd our live animals and take them with us to greener pastures. Then we had the best of both worlds. Eventually the industrial revolution made it even easier for us to have our "food" delivered to our front door ... This particular problem in the U.S. is not the vegetarianism vs. carnivore/omnivore diet being better or worse ... it's marketing. Meat sells. Sorry if my ideas are disjointed ... I'm at work and typing quickly. Last edited by vanblah; 11-10-2008 at 02:17 PM.. |
11-10-2008, 03:59 PM | #62 (permalink) |
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my wife and I take no artificial supplements. we've been on and off pure vegetarians over the years, and I grew up with some of my friends being vegan. an entire family, my friend, his two sisters, little brother, and mother were vegan and their father was a rabid meat eater. So I got some crash courses in the major and subtle differences in their diets, health reasons, moral reasons, and social reasons, etc. my mom raises me on whole foods for health reasons. I enjoy meats, grilling, and can eat hamburgers every and all day...and not gain a pound
there's a nice middle ground, if you can't find free range meats, you should be able to find kosher sources. then when your family comes over for the holidays and someone starts to discuss the problems with the meat industry and even health reasons, you can point to the turkey and say well I hear your concerns and they're valid, but we've enjoyed our holiday turkey for hundreds of years and decades in this family, so we made sure to buy a kosher turkey
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