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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
All you need to survive is an IV drip with all the necessary amino acids, vitamins and sugar, so let's stop with the "need" nonsense as an argument for why being a vegetarian or vegan somehow makes more sense or is better than eating meat or animal products.
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I don't think the "need nonsense" is a good argument for being a vegetarian or vegan. I see the "need nonsense" on both sides of the fence. I don't think it's a good argument for anything on its own.
For the record, I used "what more do you need?" as a figure of speech.
But I commend you for being forthright on your dietary choices.
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Originally Posted by luciferase75
On that note, it seems to me like the vegan wants to eat the stuff you find on the Nebuchadnezzar on The Matrix. Artificial and everything you need, nothing hurt in the process.
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Which vegan are you talking about? I don't recall them eating grain burgers with the works or drinking soy lattes on the Nebuchadnezzar. Have a look at a vegan cookbook the next time you're in a bookstore or the library. There is little artificial found in them; some have nothing artificial at all.
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Well, every other animal on this planet hurts something, and some of them would gladly hurt us. It's the circle of life, which is why I've never tried or wanted to be separate from it.
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Don't feed me that "circle of life" line. Even Buddhists acknowledge that they can't live a day without causing harm to some organism or another. (Our bodies are rife with organisms that we kill on a daily basis.)
That's not the point. The point of a vegan diet includes doing what you can to minimize needless suffering. We know we kill organisms by boiling vegetables, and that many beings die as a result of the farming process.
We're not attempting the impossible here; we're doing what we reasonably can to be compassionate.