jac93246

Hey All, first time poster here. I've been shooting USPSA for a while and just decided to switch guns. (Glocks are over rated) I recently acquired a Springfield P-9 Witness 40 cal and had it converted to single action 1911 style. It's a real good shooter, quick on target acquisistion and transistion. Shoots everything I put in it, great gun. Kind of like a cross between a Beretta 92 and a Colt 1911. Anyway, I can't find extended mags for this puppy anywhere, nor can I find extensions. I really didn't want to start shooting Limited 10 or go all out and shoot Open Class. If anyone knows anyone who might have some of these hi-cap mags (15-18 rounds) let me know.

debaser

Maybe Glocks aren't so over-rated after all, eh?


Try the IPSC forums, someone there will have what you need...

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jac93246

Yeah I had no problem finding mags for the Glock. It was just a finicky shooter and then my extractor broke mid match. I got really good at clearing jams in a hurry.

debaser

I'm really suprised your extractor broke on a Glock, I'm even more suprised that there weren't a multitude of "certified Glock armorers" begging to fix it for you.

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ziadel

no, he's right, they're horribly over-rated.


I'd ask on thehighroad about your mags, frankly I have no freaking clue

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debaser

I suppose they are over-rated, unless you just want an accurate pistol that is guaranteed to fire when you pull the trigger.

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longbough

A Glock is like a plain no frills Toyota Camry. You can get more performance and styling from, say, a BMW. You can pull tree stumps and go off-road with a Hum-Vee. But I just need a car to go from point A to point B - so my Camry will do nicely.
The BMW owners can scoff all they want ...

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jac93246

I shot really well with the Glock but it never really felt good in my hand. I had changed the front sight and added a mag well for speedy mag changes. Also replaced the barrel with a Wolf. The extractor chipped on the lower corner. 25 people must've looked at it and it wasn't until three matches later and everyone blaming the loads and my grip that I finally found the chip. By that time I was done with it and went looking for another gun. I'm currently using a Beretta 92 until I find mags for the Springfield. The 92 is a slow starter because it's double action with the drop hammer safety, but it has NEVER jammed.

ziadel

we've had those for nearly 100 years now, it's called a 1911.




the glock perfection elitist atitude is prolly the worst part of it tho.







jac, does your 92 FTE single rounds loaded with no magazine in the gun? thats the only way I've found to get my 92 to choke, and even then, not consistently.

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debaser

92s don't really have feeding problems, they are just heavy, bulky, and the locking block breaks on them around 10k rounds. They also don't handle dirt that well.

I'm sure it's a great gun back here in the 'States, but being forced to carry one has ruined them for me.

I don't mean to piss in anyones cornflakes, but I would put a Glock up against any 1911, hell, any other pistol in the world for reliability.

Elitists are annoying whatever position they espouse.

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ziadel

um, a 92 is bulkier than a glock 17? thats kinda subjective, so I'll let it slide.
the glock 17 does undercut about 10 ounces tho, I'll give you that.
I dunno where you get the locking blocks crack around 10k rounds, mebbe if you're not too bright and you feed it nato SMG rounds, but the manual states pretty clearly not to do that, you might not have had a choice tho.
I've gotten mine pretty dirty, no problems.

If it works in the states... we've got rainforest, mountains, plains, swamps, all sorts of shit here.

I'll put a .40 caliber glock up against any domestic .40 caliber pistol. 'nuff said there.


Indeed it is, especially when people who use glocks realize the mistake they've made and drop them then they get hopped on. That REALLY annoys me, so I try to stay out of threads where its obvious my opinion on glocks is not at all helpful.




p.s. ya know, everytime this glock crap comes up, I recall myself years ago contemplating my first serious handgun purchase, there was a customer there who was emphatic about how 1911's simply did not work and if you wanted to shoot IDPA you had to have a glock.

I bought the 1911 and never looked back, I did run into that man later tho at an IDPA match.

he did'nt shoot so well.


glock ownership has turned into this stupid club. It's ridiculous. I can see why you would think that Glocks are more reliable than 1911's. BUt the firearms you are comparing it to are not 1911's, not as JMB intended. The firearm you are comparing it to is not a real 1911.


post p.s. HK's have been tested firing through a barrel that is obstructed by another bullet. I would LOVE to see that done with a glock (just dont YOU do it, it'll let loose in your face). That test caused the USP's groups to open up a half inch, your glock wouldn't survive it.

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longbough

Where are these Glock "people" you mention who realize "the mistake they've made"? The only thread that comes to mind is one guy who sold his Glock because it was chambered for .45 GAP - not because it was a Glock.

Sure, there are some Glock "elitists" out there - but there are also 1911 elitists and HK elitists. I like the Glock very much but I don't think it's "perfect" or that I'd favor it over my 1911.

As a matter of fact, the only elitism expressed here in the forum is the "anti-Glock" elitism pervasive in most of your statements.

If anything you gravitate toward every single thread where a Glock is mentioned so you can take a cheap shot at the pistol (no pun intended).

Why do you keep going back to this Glock vs. 1911 "debate" - that debate doesn't exist. For instance, I like both pistols for different reasons.

Don't assume all glock owners are like this bozo.

probably because he was a bozo.

If you want to see true "elitism" - it's with the HK crowd. These folks truly think their guns walk on water.
I think HK is overpriced for what you get. They're great guns but they're far from perfect - did I mention they were overpriced?
I own a .45 USP-C and it's the ONLY gun I had that had a major malfunction in the field - a flatspring sheared for no reason causing the gun to fall into a halfcock and requiring me to fire DA only. I researched the issue and it seems to be a common problem with the USP-C. If the pistol is going to break I really don't give a shit how tough the barrel is.
I never had parts actually break in my 1911s, Glocks or CZ.
My other HK is a P7M8 which is my favorite CCW gun. But definitely overpriced. (For the price of a P7M8 I could get a brand new FN PS90 carbine!)

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debaser

Yeah, because concealed carry can even remotely be compared to combat carry.

As for the locking block issue, try a google search.

Oh yeah, I'm certainly "not too bright", but the military doesn't use "SMG rounds", there is just one standard 9mm +p (M882 if you care).

You said it, pal.

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ziadel

who said I only carry concealed? Assumptions man.

and I just tried a google search, its got a 25k life according to wikipedia, if you wanna debate that go ahead, I know plenty of people with more than 10k through their 92 without a problem.



9mm ball info:
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/i...stol_ammo.html



and ya know debaser with your ability to chop my words and create asinine quotes you should be working for CNN.



just so I can be sure I understand you, with your military experience you've never seen 9mm ammo that was not allowed for use in 9mm pistols?

thats funny, I know it exists.

it's also unny how you did'nt respond to the .40 comments, so your obviously smart enough to know you dont have a foot to stand on there, also although your original comment was about "a pistol that shoots straight" you're not aserting any accuracy claims about the glock. becuase its not more accurate, nor more reliable than any other successful well designed automatic pistol.


by the way, I'm not your pal.

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Acetylene

The mags might interchange with the EAA and CZ pistols. Are you looking for more than 16 rounds?

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debaser

from: http://beretta.squawk.com/blocks.html

Note that the military did not buy the replacement part for its pistols and will replace them on an "as needed" basis (ie when it breaks).


If you had bothered to peruse your own link, you would have noticed that the only military 9mm round is the M882. The M905 is used only for proofing at depot level maintainance shops, and I have never seen it before.


No, but then again we don't use submachine guns in the cavalry.
Neato, maybe you could provide me with a more comprehensive link so that I might be educated.
Well now you are starting to sound a bit kooky, aren't you? I didn't respond to your statement in post #11 because I agreed with your statement. You said:
It does beat any domestic pistol hands down. Please note that Berettas are made in the USA, as are Sigs and HKs. Now on the last two I think it is much more a matter of personal preference than design or build quality, but since I prefer the Glock, I am willing to agree to your above assertion.

Cry me a river...

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Fob_Magi

they make 32 round mags for CZ-75 pistols in 9mm... maybe .40 ... I believe the witness pistols are just CZ-75 clones... I have an addy for 32 rounder 9mm clips at work.. I'll try to remember to post it.

and speaking of pistol elitists... I love my CZ... bugger the rest of you :P

CZ P-01
Completed the following without failure:
4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.

Drop test
1.5 meter (4.9”) drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

3meter drop (9.8”) 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.

The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests. These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.

The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at –35C (-36F).
The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.

The pistol will exceed 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate.
This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure” (MRBF)
During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.

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longbough

It's probably not elitist to love your pistol - It's elitist when you claim that all other guns are crap and yours is the only one worth a hill of beans.

BTW - I have a CZ SP-01 and I love it. I was going to get the P-01 but I don't want a DS/SA decocker - I want the manual safety because I like to carry cocked and locked.

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Fob_Magi

I didnt know they made a version with a real safety on it when I bought mine or I prob would have got it... I knew there was a P-01 and and SP-01 but I didn't ever grasp that the SP-01 had a real safety....

oh well, I don't carry mine often anyways because I work on a university campus almost daily... it mostly stays in my bedroom...

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Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both.
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven".
Such is the Rule of Honor.