djtestudo

Good game, came down to the very end.

LSU gets half of the National Championship.

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Sion

LSU won the only half that matters.

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And you think LSU will be the only one in the record books?

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The_Dude

pete carrol or at least the prez/AD of USC agreed to the BCS system and its way of crowning the national champs. LSU is the national champs and congrats to them.

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djtestudo

We'll see when the polls come out.

It's a long shot for sure, but what IF USC was voted #1 in both polls? There would definitly be something wrong if they weren't considered the winners under that circumstance.

But, I would not mind seeing LSU as sole champions; they are a great team and beat another great team.

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billclinton

The BCS was created to eliminate the human bias that affects the AP and Coaches polls. THe polls are only relevent in the fact that they are point generators for the BCS formula. The BCS works and did work this year.

Why is a loss at the end of the year more pertinent than a loss at the beginning? Because in the human polls a team that loses has to slide lower than the teams that won for that week. Just like USC slid a few notches when it lost to that powerhouse team from Berkeley. How can a team that loses to Cal claim to be better than any other team?

Facts:
OU - 1 loss to a highly ranked team (K-state)
LSU - 1 loss to a highly randed team (Florida)
USC - 1 lost to an unranked team (Cal)

OU - very high strength of schedule points
LSU - very high strength of schedule points
USC - lost points due to weak strength of schedule

USC is in one of the largest media generating areas of the country (if not the largest) and this is the only reason that anyone keeps this argument going.

The only national championship acknowledged by the NCAA members is the BCS champion - NOT the human biased poll winner.

Ladies and gentlemen, please meet the NCAA College Football National Champions - the LSU Tigers!!!!!!!!

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kwIII

Props to the MLB # 58 for LSU, he made one hell of a hit there at the end. Go Tigers!! I think Stoops is an asshole

redneckdude

Yeah Stoops is kind of an asshole... But he does win games. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be able to win the games at the end of the season.

IIRC the same thing happened last year where they went undefeated till the last game or two of the regular season.

Been a long time OU fan and it is really tough to watch them lose in the manner that they have lately.

Liquor Dealer

I don't know where either of you get the idea that Stoops is an asshole. Everything I have ever seen, or heard shows him to be a perfect gentleman. Our football team didn't end up the way we hoped - it was a good run but the wheels came off in the end. That in no way belittles what they accomplished or in any way denegrates Bob Stoops. To say he can't win when the chips are down is not only incorrect, it's assinine. Look at his record. The Sooners aren't losers by any stretch of the imagination - they may only be the third or fourth best team in the country at this instant, but they're way out ahead of several hundred others. The Sooners will be right back on top next year - and you can take that to the bank. We don't duck and run or hide from anyone.

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wwcd101

Was it really a good game?

The score was close, but it was clear from the start LSU was going to win. Take out the fumble on the 1 and the blocked punt and you have a 35-7 yawner.

Thanks for listening.

Jaiddin

Take away the 2 penalties that nullified LSU turnovers and u got a 24-14 OU victory. Both teams looked rusty at times, and both teams had 1 or 2 plays that, had they been changed jsut a lil, could have made the difference in the ball game. LSU didn't shoot themselves in the foot on a continual basis, and as such they won the game. Thats what makes college football great, especially when u have 2 well matched teams. Lil plays can make the difference.

fearofmear

GEAUX TIGERS!
The first national championship since 1959 and it won't be the last in the next few years as long as Saban stays aruond. I'll hope for a USC-LSU BCS Championship match up next year to prove who the real champs were.
/LSU alum '02

goddfather40

You know, the media conspiracy thing is really old and a poor argument. They've tried to pin that on the NBA before too with the Lakers, give me a break. The AP writers are from all over the country anyways, so how could a regional bias affect them all? Are the coaches in a big conspiracy too, we know damn well that they would have voted USC number 1 if they could have. Even with a contractual obligation to vote LSU number 1, USC still got 3 first place votes, and was number 1 at the end of the season with 37/63 first place votes.

Also, if you go to www.ncaafootball.net, an official NCAA site, they herald both teams. The NCAA will not officially give anyone a trophy for the Div I-A title.

And trying to pump up Florida (24th in AP poll and 25th in the coaches poll) as a 'highly ranked opponent' is flawed too. Florida finished 8-5 and beat LSU at home. Granted, Cal is an inferior team to Florida, but they showed up for a bowl game against Va Tech and finished 8-6. On top of that, it took them 3OT's to beat USC in Berkeley.

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The_Dude

strength of schedule. lsu played a tougher one than usc.

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billclinton

USC lost 1 game - to Cal - fact
LSU lost 1 game - to Florida - fact

LSU had the tougher schedule - fact
USC had the weaker schedule - fact

LSU according to the BCS formula had the better ranking - fact
USC according to the BCS formula had the worse ranking - fact

The media never mentioned LSU to win the nat. champ. - fact
The media pissed all over themselves saying that USC should be the Nat. Champs - fact

The coaches poll and the writers poll is BIASED - which is the reason that everyone wanted to come up with an UNBIASED way to determine the two teams that are most deserving to play for the national championship. The BCS was created due to the exact circumstances that occurred this year - several teams having the same records and no clear way to pick the best two to play for the Nat. Champ.

LSU is the sole national champions, the polls are only meaningful because they are point generators in the BCS formula - the BCS formula is the NCAA accepted method to determine the national champions.

If it is not media bias, please explain why USC is still being mentioned as the co-national champs, when they do not deserve anything other than a solid number 2 or 3?

I have nothing against USC and I have nothing for LSU...but dang, it seems that people go brain dead awfully easy.

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bellzboy

Ok, I'll give ya that USC really isnt the National Championship team. But saying they arent a great team is ludicrous? Did you watch the Rose Bowl? Have you watched USC play? They have an offense that is better than Oklahoma's, IMO and a defense thats very good as well, although I will give the edge to LSU there. And I'm not from California, hell, I'm sitting outside Chicago. No bias there.

Zeld2.0

Fact is, enough of the stir is there to make you wonder enough. Its easy to rule out and say one team had a weaker schedule than another - but these are people who *do* see the games all the time, have played hte games often, and believe it or not, if people feel theres a fuck up somewhere on this level, people obviously think something is wrong.

*Personally* i'd rather they have a reformed system and/or a bowl game after of the winner between rose bowl and sugar bowl or whatever, would be pretty damn sweet IMO.

Spartak

Fact is it took all of 3 overtimes for USC to lose, I mean flip a coin 3 times and you're bound to lose eventually.

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skysooner

Kudos to LSU. I thought we would have trouble against them and we did. Also, in reaction to my earlier post where I said KSU didn't have a chance, boy was I wrong

billclinton

And you know what else?!!!! the media thing IS getting old........except when it involves a team from Southern...fuckin' LA......California!!!!! You can't even imagine the amount of money that would be made in NCAA licensing fees on "The Number One Team in the Country......USC!!" The NCAA is a business that deals very closely with all media outlets. To think that there is NO influence in what they would like the media to announce is not only naive, but also un-American. College football is a business that makes a ton of money. I don't have a problem with them making all the money that they can possibly make, but the BCS attempts to moderate all of the teams regardless of locale or demography, ie highly populated areas.

The BCS doesn't care if the team is SoCal or NoCal or Bowling Green.......it takes several complex variables and plugs them in a mathematical formula and spits out the result.

ONCE AGAIN, THE BCS DID EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO. THE POLLS ARE MEANINGLESS. LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION.

PS. I never said that USC isn't a great team, as a matter of fact, I would love to see an LSU/USC matchup. I wouldn't bet on either!

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djtestudo

http://umterps.ocsn.com/sports/m-foo...010604aaa.html

I think we should go by the NY Times poll

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