Where are the pedophiles coming from? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

warrrreagl · 08-01-2004, 05:39 PM

Of course, I'm talking about society in general, NOT the TFP. However, I have noticed a significant increase in the number of reported pedophile arrests and kiddie porn busts. Where are they all coming from? I have several theories, and the truth may be a combination of several of them.

1) The prevalence of kiddie porn on the Internet is "converting" otherwise straight folks into being aroused by children.
2) The prevalence of pedophiles in society has caused an enormous bloom in the amount of kiddie porn traffic on the Internet.
3) People who might have remained "in the closet" about their pedophilia a generation ago are unable to control themselves thanks to the proliferation of Internet kiddie porn.
4) Law enforcement and society are taking the threat more seriously and are doing more about it.
5) Criminal investigation has progressed to a point where charges can stick better, therefore arrests are increasing.
6) Counseling procedures are more successful in convincing children to speak out.
7) As people retreat away from actual human contact and rely on digital contact with other humans, they are stuck in a case of arrested development and remain intimidated by anyone sexually more mature than a child.

And does the "arrested development" argument partially explain why young men seem to be fascinated with "shaved" girls exclusively these days?

I taught elementary school for 12 years, and the P.E. teacher in the classroom adjacent to mine was convicted of molesting several little girls at our school. Thank God for prisons.

I am afraid to use Kazaa anymore, because I can't trust the content of my downloads.

I know this is a weird rant, but I can't help but be concerned about this growing trend I keep noticing.

Sp0rAdiC · 08-01-2004, 06:19 PM

I think that it's sort of a combination of our society cracking down on the problem, instead of looking away, and possibly since there is so much coverage of things like that, kids might not feel as ashamed to tell someone if they have been taken advantage of, but I'm not sure about my second thought.

Rlyss · 08-01-2004, 06:21 PM

When I first read the title of your post in the list, I thought 'There aren't more of them, it's just more widely reported now.' That was my first thought, but you make some great points there.

I think different people here on the TFP have different ideas about what porn does to our arousal. Some people have said they can watch porn every day and never get desensitized, and others have said that porn has killed it for them, and that they need more hardcore stuff. For some people naked women are enough, for some just sex, for some they need come shots, and for others they need bondage, etc. I guess for some they need the really 'out there' stuff, ie. kiddy porn.

I realy like points 6 and 7, I admit I don't think I'd have thought of those. Adults who were abused as children might be at an age now where they can speak out, and their abusers (abusors?) are still alive and functioning in society, so there is somebody to prosecute. Pedophilia cases in the news are often very sensational for obvious reasons, so in the past ten years, and from now on, I guess we can expect a lot of past abuses come into the spotlight.

Point 7 is something I've never thought of. I wonder if there is any research about that?

Blonddie · 08-01-2004, 06:48 PM

I think they have always been there. I think the internet is way they can do what they want from their home, anonymously. Law officals realize this and are finding more ways to track and bust them, as it is illegal. This of course leads to more press which may make it seem like there are more out there. Fear of people finding out is a law enforcement tool..i.e publishing names of people who got busted for soliciting a prostiute.
Unfortunatly..it is supply and demand. Some people want it and are willing to pay big bucks for it. Personally I think every NAMBLA member and others like them ought to die with a hot poker up their ass and a railroad spike in their head (in that order).But in other countries (where most of this comes from) their laws are more laxed than ours.
Also, maybe you should be more specific in your definition-- an 18 yr old who sleeps with a 16 yr old is a pedophile (legally) I am going to take this post as younger children--say 14 and under though, for arguments sake. I will have agree with points number 2 and 3.

bermuDa · 08-01-2004, 07:17 PM

there have always been perverts. now the internet is a tool both for pedophiles and those who catch them. With our global media, we also hear about it more than before.

ngdawg · 08-01-2004, 07:24 PM

In 1933, my mother was abducted from her stroller in front of a building(back then it was ok to leave your kid outside, so it was thought). She was taken to an alley, beaten, pissed on and left for dead. We don't know if she was sexually assaulted-those things were not discussed. The perpetrator, a boy of 11 or 12, was sent to a reform school.
Around 1935 or so, at Coney Island, my father, about 5 years old, was pushed and held under the water until someone yelled at the scumbucket. He took off.
In 1964 , a man in a car pulled up to the curb as my sister was walking home from school (she was 7), and told her her mother told him to come give her a ride home. She screamed, "NO! SHE DIDN"T!" and ran home. After describing the car as 'plaid', the cop told my mother he couldn't be of help.(she meant covered in spots of primer-to a kid, that's plaid)
This past year, an internet prowler, who used, among others, the name 'partyxenema', worked his way into instant messages with my daughter and a couple of her friends. The police are investigating.
Long way of getting to, it's not new. Their methods may change as society becomes aware of their previous ones, but they've always been around and will continue to be, unfortunately. It's a sad state of affairs when, while playing dollhouse with your kids, your have to pretend a bad stranger is coming, and instruct them about how they should react, but it's necessary.

Holo · 08-01-2004, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by warrrreagl
Of course, I'm talking about society in general, NOT the TFP. However, I have noticed a significant increase in the number of reported pedophile arrests and kiddie porn busts. Where are they all coming from? I have several theories, and the truth may be a combination of several of them.

1) The prevalence of kiddie porn on the Internet is "converting" otherwise straight folks into being aroused by children.

Nope. Any hardcore usenet porn downloader can tell you they've found lots of CP without even trying. Ask those same ppl if they enjoyed it. Porn generally doesn't change you unless you already had a predisposition to that fetish.

Plus, apply that logic to gay porn...if we could get enough of it online we could turn more men gay. I've looked at gay porn when I worked porn retail and it didn't bother me but it definitely never aroused me, so I don't see that idea as valid.

2) The prevalence of pedophiles in society has caused an enormous bloom in the amount of kiddie porn traffic on the Internet.

Actually I've run across less CP in the last year than I used to, partially because I've learned what keywords to avoid and where *not* to go to get porn. PPl who like CP are also getting smarter with hiding it. I found a guide to "security" on usenet that explained in detail how to LEA proof your HDDs and use proxies and whatnot. Pedos have always been there, and don't forget in history very yong marriages weren't as uncommon as today. 12 year olds or younger getting married and knocked up weren't unheard of back in the old days. The internet has just made CP easier to obtain, just as it has the 1.5 million images of porn I have downloaded in the last 1.5 years, or the hundred thou or so extreme gore pics I could never have collected without it. The net can be a great or horrible tool depending on how we wield it.

3) People who might have remained "in the closet" about their pedophilia a generation ago are unable to control themselves thanks to the proliferation of Internet kiddie porn.

You'd be surprised actually at what pedos say about their desires. Many hate what they are or want to keep themselves in check because they really love kids as ppl. I've read their forums extensively after a fellow at another forum came out as a pedo and I've realized many of them aren't bad ppl they just have a bad sexual preference. I'm not sure if viewing CP is a good idea for a pedo or not....I guess it would depend if they could contain their desires with it rather than molest a real child, and even in that case there are several sites that have pedo content that is legal, i.e. story sites and anime/toon CP so I can't really rule on the necessity of pics. It's a space I'm glad i'm not in I can tell you that.

4) Law enforcement and society are taking the threat more seriously and are doing more about it.

I dunno...it's still wayyyy to easy to find CP. Give me 2 minutes and I can find CP if I'm actually looking. It really is that easy. and as I mentioned you queue a batch of 3000 pics to download in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica and some asshole decides to post CP you grab those pics and don't know till you come home and hit the slideshow of your downloads. Plus if you don't know certain keywords on P2P you can easily get CP in a zip file of pics or whatever, without even trying. Problem is they can only do so much since the content server might be an eMule client in Svenska or on posted on an encrypted network. Ppl will always find a way, just like warez and other downloads.

5) Criminal investigation has progressed to a point where charges can stick better, therefore arrests are increasing.

I'm not too sure on this one. Sure LEA can scan HDDs very well and find deleted stuff but it depends on the frequency and volume of the downloads before they can assume guilt. I can tell you an easy way to download anything and save your "loot" with absolutely no trace on your PC. Anybody with a little tech know how can easily do it.

6) Counseling procedures are more successful in convincing children to speak out.

Let's hope so.

7) As people retreat away from actual human contact and rely on digital contact with other humans, they are stuck in a case of arrested development and remain intimidated by anyone sexually more mature than a child.

No. I think pedos always had feelings for kids, or were pushed towards that path by being abused themselves. I really don't think withdrawing from society digitally causes pedophilia. I can see the densensitization argument working somewhat but I still there has to be the absence of a block to get off to CP no matter how desensed you are. Everyone has a moral limit except sociopaths, and I think real ones are still in the minority on the net

And does the "arrested development" argument partially explain why young men seem to be fascinated with "shaved" girls exclusively these days?

Not really. Many men like girls to appear as young as possible without actually being pedos, hence the shaved pussy. These men (and women) are known as ephebophiles, being atrracted to adolescents but not kids under age 12. I think ephebophilia is much more generally accepted due to the early sexual maturity of teenagers these days and the fact girls in their teens look more like women then they did before. Society sexualizes teens greatly and the media serves up images of sexy little Britney asking you to "Hit Me Baby One More Time" im a cliche schoolgirl outfit. Even younger girls are sexualized, as demonstrated by all the Child Supermodel sites and pageants. I find it incredible all these things are done in the open with such a stigma against pedophilia in our society.

Also the shaved thing is extended to guys as well. The paradigm has shifted in regards to body hair on both sexes. It's rare to hear a girl say these days she likes hairy men and when I worked at a porn store mainly older men wanted hairy girl porn like you saw in the 70s. Hair == bad in our society on men and women.

I taught elementary school for 12 years, and the P.E. teacher in the classroom adjacent to mine was convicted of molesting several little girls at our school. Thank God for prisons.

I'll drink to that

I am afraid to use Kazaa anymore, because I can't trust the content of my downloads.

You shouldn't be using Kazaa for porn anyway unless you like nasty stuff or low quality garbage. Use other P2P that have sites with verified dl links to the content like eMule does. I would post what you could avoid but knowledge is a two edged sword and I can't say if a lurker won't read my tips and use them as a manual to get CP. But lose Kazaa as a porn source, please. eMule has really great stuff and if you find an index site that verifies the files are real then you don't have to worry about CP.

I know this is a weird rant, but I can't help but be concerned about this growing trend I keep noticing.

MSD · 08-01-2004, 10:24 PM

Once the scandal with the Catholic Church hit the mainstream, society was clubbed in the face with a problem that makes people so uneasy that they'd rather ignore it than try to solve it. Now it's being addressed full force since it can't be swept back under the rug. In addition to this, thanks to the news coverage, victims can see that others like them are not targets of retribution as they had been told to believe they would be, and are more willing to speak out.

The growing proliferation of p2p networks and communications among today's youth has brought the youth-orinted technology market close to saturation. At the same time, those who prey on children are adopting this technology as part of society, some for the purpose of carrying out their activities on a large scale and some adopting technology for other reasons and subsequently realizing that it can be used to achieve their goals. This is not necessarily to blame for this trend, but it makes it easier for those with ill intentions to carry out actions based on those intentions and to find others who share their perversion.

At the same time, law enforcement agencies are observing the trends of criminal behavior, and these trends lead them to uncharted territory that is not subject to the same regulations as prior technologies, and can use this to their advantage. The cloak of anonymity on the internte works both ways. While a pedophile has less chance of being discovered than one who dealt in hard copies of child porn, law enforcement officers can use this mask to protect themselves and infiltrate a subculture by pretending to be a child rather than having to stay in the shadows.

I think I've responded to your points, although not necessarily in order, with the exception to the seventh. We are not yet secluded to the point of arrested development, and "shaved" trend can be explained by the fact that some of us just don't like hair, no matter what the age of a woman.

DelayedReaction · 08-01-2004, 11:01 PM

The internet has made it easier for people to gain access to child pornography, but it has conversely made it easier for LE to track it. When EVERYTHING you do online is monitored, and watching your tracks is a mere packet sniffer away, when people become suspicious you will be caught.

Some Statics: http://www.kidsafenetwork.com/statistics.htm

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STATISTICS

* A 1994 National Institute of Health survey of 453 pedophiles, conducted by Dr. Gene Abel, showed these criminals were collectively responsible for the molestation of over 67,000 children. That's an average of 148 children per individual pedophile.
* An estimated 5.1% (1 of every 20 persons) will serve time in prison during their lifetime. (Criminal Offenders Statistics)
* "62.5% of 108,580 persons released from prison in 1983 were re-asserted for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years."
(Bureau of Justice Standards.)
* "2/3rds of Sex Offenders in State Prisons had victimized a Child.' (Bureau of Justice Standards.)
* "60% of 234,000 sexual offenders in 1994 convicted of rape or sexual assault were under conditional supervision in the community."
"The median age of the victims of imprisoned sexual offenders was less than 13 years old." (Bureau of Justice Standards.)
* "4 in 10 inmates serving time in jail for intimate violence were on probation or parole at the time of the violent attack on the intimate (someone they knew)’ (Criminal Offenders Statistics)
* 80% of inmates serving time in State Prison for intimate violence had injured or killed their victim." (Criminal Offenders Statistics)
* "96% of female rape victims in 1991, younger than 12 years old, knew their attackers. 20% were victimized by their fathers or step-fathers." (US Department of Justice)
* Children younger than 18 were the victims in almost 20% of the violent crimes committed by State Prisoners. 50% were 12 years old or younger. (U.S. Department of Justice.)
* 25% of prisoners who victimized children had prior convictions for violent crimes. (U.S. Department of Justice.)
* Between 1976 and 1994, almost 37,000 children were murdered. 66% were less than 1 years old and 58% of those from 1 to 4 years old were killed by beating with fists, or blunt objects or by kicking. (U.S. Department of Justice.)
* "Family Members or Acquaintances commit most of the Child Murders." (Bureau of Criminal Justice Standards.)

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics
Child Victimizers: Violent Offender and Their
Victims--Executive Summary
March 1996, NCJ-158625
Full text with tables available from:
Bureau of Justice Statistics Clearinghouse
800-732-3277
Box 179
Annapolis Junction, MD. 20701-0179
FAX Number (for report orders and mail list signup only): 410-792-4358

Child Victimizers: Violent Offenders and Their Victims: Executive Summary Jointly Published with the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention

By Lawrence A. Greenfeld
BJS Statistician

Characteristics of offenses against children
* An estimated 18.6% of inmates serving time in State prisons in 1991 for violent crimes, or about 61,000 offenders nationwide, had been convicted of a crime against a victim under age 18.
* 1 in 5 violent offenders serving time in a State prison reported having victimized a child.
* More than half the violent crimes committed against children involved victims age 12 or younger.
* 7 in 10 offenders with child victims reported that they were imprisoned for a rape or sexual assault.
* Two-thirds of all prisoners convicted of rape or sexual assault had committed their crime against a child.

Characteristics of the offenders
* All but 3% of offenders who committed violent crimes against children were male.
* Offenders who had victimized a child were on average 5 years older than the violent offenders who had committed their crimes against adults.
* Nearly 25% of child victimizers were age 40 or older, but about 10% of the inmates with adult victims fell in that age range.
* While nearly 70% of those serving time for violent crimes against children were white, whites accounted for 40% of those imprisoned for violent crimes against adults.
* Inmates who victimized children were less likely than other inmates to have a prior criminal record--nearly a third of child-victimizers had never been arrested prior to the current offense, compared to less than 20% of those who victimized adults.
* Violent child-victimizers were substantially more likely than those with adult victims to have been physically or sexually abused when they were children, though the majority of violent offenders, regardless of victim age, did not have a history of such abuse.
* About 14% of child victimizers carried a weapon during the violent crime, compared to nearly half of those who victimized adults.
* About 10% of violent offenders with child victims received life or death sentences and the average prison term was 11 years, somewhat shorter average sentences than received by those with adult victims.

Characteristics of the victims
* 3 in 10 child victimizers reported that they had committed their crimes against multiple victims; they were more likely than those who victimized adults to have had multiple victims.
* 3 in 4 child victims of violence were female.
* For the vast majority of child victimizers in State prison, the victim was someone they knew before the crime:
* A third had committed their crime against their own child About half had a relationship with the victim as a friend, acquaintance, or relative other than offspring About 1 in 7 reported the victim to have been a stranger to them.
* Three-quarters of the violent victimizations of children took place in either the victim’s home or the offender’s home.
* 4 in 10 child victims of violence suffered either a forcible rape or another injury

Source: BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991

Child murder victims
* Children under the age of 18 accounted for 11% of all murder victims in the United States in 1994. Nearly half of the 2,660 child victims were between ages 15 and 17. About 1 in 5 child victims were known to be killed by another child.
* Between 1976 and 1994 an estimated 37,000 children were murdered.
* Since the mid-1980's the increases in both the number and the rate of murder among 15- to 17-year-olds, and particularly among black youth in this age range, have outpaced changes in murder in all other age groups.
* The victim-offender relationship in child murder varies with the age of the victim: In most murders of a young child, a family member killed the child, while in most murders of an older child, age 15 to 17, the perpetrator was an acquaintance to the victim or was unknown to law enforcement authorities. About 1 in 5 child murders were committed by a family member.
* Data for the period from 1976 to 1994 indicate that in family murder of a child about 10% of victims were age 15 to 17, while in murders by strangers about 67% of victims were in this age category: Victim-offender relationship, 1976-94

Age of child victim Family Acquaintance Stranger Unknown

Total 100.0% 100.0% 100.0% 100.0%

Less than
1 year 31.2 4.8 1.4 6.9
1-4 36.3 17.0 6.4 9.9
5-14 22.6 20.6 25.0 21.0
15-17 9.95 7.6 67.3 62.3
Total number 10,795 13,060 4,006 9,092

Half of all child murders in 1994 were committed with a handgun; about 7 in 10 victims age 15 to 17 were killed with a handgun.

Source: FBI Supplementary Homicide Reports, 1976-94

redarrow · 08-02-2004, 12:18 AM

On the shaved pussy deal:
Its just better looking without all that nasty hair covering it.

Dawson70 · 08-02-2004, 09:19 AM

This has always been a sickening, but yet somewhat intriquing debate. I myself am constantly bombared by unsolicited emails for this kind of shit. I have no idea how I ended up on thier lists, but according to the FBI (which I have forwarded off a few of these too), they shoot out at random.
As far as down loading stuff from Kazza, I do not let this stop me. Kazza Lite has this nice feature to allow my to preview what I am downloading and if it is "questionable" I cancel the download. The FBI has made it very clear that they are more interested in the "files swapping" rather than the "downloading". They know they can't prosecute someone who has "unknowingly" downloaded porn.
My big beef on this whole thing is the "definition" of a Pedophile".
Like Blonddie stated, if you are 16 and have sex with another 16 year old, does that make you a criminal? In some states...yes.
If you are 18 and screwing a 16 year old, does this make you a criminal? Yes...in Wisconsin. I understand that kids under the age of 14 or so, are not mentally able to decide if they want to be sexually active, and I would have to say, that is crossing the line too. But I have seen pregnant 14 year old girls. What does that say? Our laws need to be redefined on what is legal and what is not. Or, our law officals need to "throw the book" at ANYONE breaking these laws. That is why there are pedophiles lurking about. They are taking advantage of of our loose and undisciplined legal system.
Let this be a warning to any stalkers eyeing up my daughters or son, however. There will be no trial if you are dumb enough to even try. Just good ol fashion "backyard" justice.
As far as the shaving issue. I have always thought that was a bit extreme. Trimmed is understandable, but the bare pussy, just kind of creeps me out. Don't get me wrong, I love pussy and think it is beautiful to look at, but sometimes it is nice to see hair, where nature intended it to be.
Have a nice day! Giddy up!

robodog · 08-02-2004, 01:57 PM

It's just more coverage in the media. Like during the 90's with school shootings. The 90's actually saw a marked DECREASE in the number of school shootings relative to the 80's and 70's but everyone in the nation was in fear of it because it was one of the decades boggymen for the media.

Kazic · 08-02-2004, 03:36 PM

Its startling how many are out there. Reading all those stats and figures scares me. I just don't now why people are like that. I do however like the fact that more are being caught and brought to justice. Jail does not seem like enough for them though. they ruin many lives and destroy families. They get off to easy. But thats another thread.

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TM875 · 08-03-2004, 04:08 PM

In my opinion, the increase in people being arrested in "kiddie porn" is not because of it's accessability, but because of the society we're in now.

If I would have to guess, I would think that most of the people who have been taken in for child pornography have really been arrested for ephebophilia, and not pedophilia. Holo's post probably summed this up best. Whereas, 15 years ago, a 15 year old sleeping with a 24 year old was not as stigmatized (in fact, often represented in movies). Actual pedophilia - an attraction to children under the age of 12 - I believe if far less common.

Men will always want the youngest, healthiest girls to copulate with. Young women will breed them healthy children, and thus are attractive from a physiological standpoint. This includes what appear to be 15-18 year olds (which, in today's society where young girls are looking older, may include 13 and 14 year olds). Now, this has been going on forever, but was just never taken as something arrestable or disgusting on a general societal level.

Child pornography, on the other hand (porn involving kids less than 12 years of age) has always been on the fringe of society. Granted, there have been molestors around since children have been around, but there just have been less ability to catch them.

This is what it all breaks down to - a greater ability to catch, report, and publicize people arrested for illegal pornography.

robodog · 08-03-2004, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by TM875
Men will always want the youngest, healthiest girls to copulate with. Young women will breed them healthy children, and thus are attractive from a physiological standpoint. This includes what appear to be 15-18 year olds (which, in today's society where young girls are looking older, may include 13 and 14 year olds). Now, this has been going on forever, but was just never taken as something arrestable or disgusting on a general societal level.

Quite true. Juliet Capulet was 13 and was betrothed to a man 25 years old. She would have been expected to have children within a year or two at most of her marriage. People who talk about girls maturing earlier don't know what the hell they are talking about, human females have been fertile at around age 11-12 since we evolved up from the apes, in fact that is MUCH later than any other mamal. Whether we as a society should promote young girls having children is a different debate but men being attracted to women of child bearing age is not as unusual as our puritanical society makes it out to be. Personally I like my women with some curves, I don't much go for models or young girls =) My wife poped our son out in under four hours due to her large hips =) =)

Sharpie · 08-05-2004, 05:24 AM

I didn't read the whole thread, but I wanted to say that I hear (I haven't studied up on the subject, just talked to people who have) that paedophelia is basically the same (psycologically) as homosexuality, its not something that people can change in themselves really. I'm not condoning it though, before anyone jumps to conclusions.

A lot of paedophiles also absolutely detest themselves for it as well, and many commit suicide...

just fyi

The Phenomenon · 08-05-2004, 05:25 AM

Yes a lot of pedophiles cannot help the attraction they feel. Thats a fact. But they can help acting on it.

I take my hat off for the pedophiles out there who control themselves.

08-01-2004, 05:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
warrrreagl pinche vato Location: backwater, Third World, land of cotton	Where are the pedophiles coming from? Of course, I'm talking about society in general, NOT the TFP. However, I have noticed a significant increase in the number of reported pedophile arrests and kiddie porn busts. Where are they all coming from? I have several theories, and the truth may be a combination of several of them. 1) The prevalence of kiddie porn on the Internet is "converting" otherwise straight folks into being aroused by children. 2) The prevalence of pedophiles in society has caused an enormous bloom in the amount of kiddie porn traffic on the Internet. 3) People who might have remained "in the closet" about their pedophilia a generation ago are unable to control themselves thanks to the proliferation of Internet kiddie porn. 4) Law enforcement and society are taking the threat more seriously and are doing more about it. 5) Criminal investigation has progressed to a point where charges can stick better, therefore arrests are increasing. 6) Counseling procedures are more successful in convincing children to speak out. 7) As people retreat away from actual human contact and rely on digital contact with other humans, they are stuck in a case of arrested development and remain intimidated by anyone sexually more mature than a child. And does the "arrested development" argument partially explain why young men seem to be fascinated with "shaved" girls exclusively these days? I taught elementary school for 12 years, and the P.E. teacher in the classroom adjacent to mine was convicted of molesting several little girls at our school. Thank God for prisons. I am afraid to use Kazaa anymore, because I can't trust the content of my downloads. I know this is a weird rant, but I can't help but be concerned about this growing trend I keep noticing. __________________ Living is easy with eyes closed.

08-01-2004, 06:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
Blonddie Crazy Location: Southern California	I think they have always been there. I think the internet is way they can do what they want from their home, anonymously. Law officals realize this and are finding more ways to track and bust them, as it is illegal. This of course leads to more press which may make it seem like there are more out there. Fear of people finding out is a law enforcement tool..i.e publishing names of people who got busted for soliciting a prostiute. Unfortunatly..it is supply and demand. Some people want it and are willing to pay big bucks for it. Personally I think every NAMBLA member and others like them ought to die with a hot poker up their ass and a railroad spike in their head (in that order).But in other countries (where most of this comes from) their laws are more laxed than ours. Also, maybe you should be more specific in your definition-- an 18 yr old who sleeps with a 16 yr old is a pedophile (legally) I am going to take this post as younger children--say 14 and under though, for arguments sake. I will have agree with points number 2 and 3. __________________ "There's one in every family...two in mine actually.."--- Zazu

08-01-2004, 07:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	there have always been perverts. now the internet is a tool both for pedophiles and those who catch them. With our global media, we also hear about it more than before. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

08-02-2004, 09:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
Dawson70 Here to Help My Fellow TFP'er Location: All over the Net....(ok Wisconsin)	This has always been a sickening, but yet somewhat intriquing debate. I myself am constantly bombared by unsolicited emails for this kind of shit. I have no idea how I ended up on thier lists, but according to the FBI (which I have forwarded off a few of these too), they shoot out at random. As far as down loading stuff from Kazza, I do not let this stop me. Kazza Lite has this nice feature to allow my to preview what I am downloading and if it is "questionable" I cancel the download. The FBI has made it very clear that they are more interested in the "files swapping" rather than the "downloading". They know they can't prosecute someone who has "unknowingly" downloaded porn. My big beef on this whole thing is the "definition" of a Pedophile". Like Blonddie stated, if you are 16 and have sex with another 16 year old, does that make you a criminal? In some states...yes. If you are 18 and screwing a 16 year old, does this make you a criminal? Yes...in Wisconsin. I understand that kids under the age of 14 or so, are not mentally able to decide if they want to be sexually active, and I would have to say, that is crossing the line too. But I have seen pregnant 14 year old girls. What does that say? Our laws need to be redefined on what is legal and what is not. Or, our law officals need to "throw the book" at ANYONE breaking these laws. That is why there are pedophiles lurking about. They are taking advantage of of our loose and undisciplined legal system. Let this be a warning to any stalkers eyeing up my daughters or son, however. There will be no trial if you are dumb enough to even try. Just good ol fashion "backyard" justice. As far as the shaving issue. I have always thought that was a bit extreme. Trimmed is understandable, but the bare pussy, just kind of creeps me out. Don't get me wrong, I love pussy and think it is beautiful to look at, but sometimes it is nice to see hair, where nature intended it to be. Have a nice day! Giddy up! __________________ "I Finally Finished My Goal....You Can Too! Yippie Ki Ya... Last edited by Dawson70; 08-02-2004 at 09:23 AM..

08-02-2004, 03:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kazic Psycho Location: Fortress of Solitude	Its startling how many are out there. Reading all those stats and figures scares me. I just don't now why people are like that. I do however like the fact that more are being caught and brought to justice. Jail does not seem like enough for them though. they ruin many lives and destroy families. They get off to easy. But thats another thread. ` __________________ "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids,we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989

08-01-2004, 06:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sp0rAdiC Insane Location: VT	I think that it's sort of a combination of our society cracking down on the problem, instead of looking away, and possibly since there is so much coverage of things like that, kids might not feel as ashamed to tell someone if they have been taken advantage of, but I'm not sure about my second thought.

08-01-2004, 06:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rlyss The Pusher Location: Edinburgh	When I first read the title of your post in the list, I thought 'There aren't more of them, it's just more widely reported now.' That was my first thought, but you make some great points there. I think different people here on the TFP have different ideas about what porn does to our arousal. Some people have said they can watch porn every day and never get desensitized, and others have said that porn has killed it for them, and that they need more hardcore stuff. For some people naked women are enough, for some just sex, for some they need come shots, and for others they need bondage, etc. I guess for some they need the really 'out there' stuff, ie. kiddy porn. I realy like points 6 and 7, I admit I don't think I'd have thought of those. Adults who were abused as children might be at an age now where they can speak out, and their abusers (abusors?) are still alive and functioning in society, so there is somebody to prosecute. Pedophilia cases in the news are often very sensational for obvious reasons, so in the past ten years, and from now on, I guess we can expect a lot of past abuses come into the spotlight. Point 7 is something I've never thought of. I wonder if there is any research about that?

08-01-2004, 07:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	In 1933, my mother was abducted from her stroller in front of a building(back then it was ok to leave your kid outside, so it was thought). She was taken to an alley, beaten, pissed on and left for dead. We don't know if she was sexually assaulted-those things were not discussed. The perpetrator, a boy of 11 or 12, was sent to a reform school. Around 1935 or so, at Coney Island, my father, about 5 years old, was pushed and held under the water until someone yelled at the scumbucket. He took off. In 1964 , a man in a car pulled up to the curb as my sister was walking home from school (she was 7), and told her her mother told him to come give her a ride home. She screamed, "NO! SHE DIDN"T!" and ran home. After describing the car as 'plaid', the cop told my mother he couldn't be of help.(she meant covered in spots of primer-to a kid, that's plaid) This past year, an internet prowler, who used, among others, the name 'partyxenema', worked his way into instant messages with my daughter and a couple of her friends. The police are investigating. Long way of getting to, it's not new. Their methods may change as society becomes aware of their previous ones, but they've always been around and will continue to be, unfortunately. It's a sad state of affairs when, while playing dollhouse with your kids, your have to pretend a bad stranger is coming, and instruct them about how they should react, but it's necessary.

08-01-2004, 10:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	Once the scandal with the Catholic Church hit the mainstream, society was clubbed in the face with a problem that makes people so uneasy that they'd rather ignore it than try to solve it. Now it's being addressed full force since it can't be swept back under the rug. In addition to this, thanks to the news coverage, victims can see that others like them are not targets of retribution as they had been told to believe they would be, and are more willing to speak out. The growing proliferation of p2p networks and communications among today's youth has brought the youth-orinted technology market close to saturation. At the same time, those who prey on children are adopting this technology as part of society, some for the purpose of carrying out their activities on a large scale and some adopting technology for other reasons and subsequently realizing that it can be used to achieve their goals. This is not necessarily to blame for this trend, but it makes it easier for those with ill intentions to carry out actions based on those intentions and to find others who share their perversion. At the same time, law enforcement agencies are observing the trends of criminal behavior, and these trends lead them to uncharted territory that is not subject to the same regulations as prior technologies, and can use this to their advantage. The cloak of anonymity on the internte works both ways. While a pedophile has less chance of being discovered than one who dealt in hard copies of child porn, law enforcement officers can use this mask to protect themselves and infiltrate a subculture by pretending to be a child rather than having to stay in the shadows. I think I've responded to your points, although not necessarily in order, with the exception to the seventh. We are not yet secluded to the point of arrested development, and "shaved" trend can be explained by the fact that some of us just don't like hair, no matter what the age of a woman.

08-02-2004, 12:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
redarrow Banned Location: i gotta go	On the shaved pussy deal: Its just better looking without all that nasty hair covering it.

08-02-2004, 01:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
robodog Crazy	It's just more coverage in the media. Like during the 90's with school shootings. The 90's actually saw a marked DECREASE in the number of school shootings relative to the 80's and 70's but everyone in the nation was in fear of it because it was one of the decades boggymen for the media.

08-03-2004, 04:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
TM875 Addict Location: Amish-land, PA	In my opinion, the increase in people being arrested in "kiddie porn" is not because of it's accessability, but because of the society we're in now. If I would have to guess, I would think that most of the people who have been taken in for child pornography have really been arrested for ephebophilia, and not pedophilia. Holo's post probably summed this up best. Whereas, 15 years ago, a 15 year old sleeping with a 24 year old was not as stigmatized (in fact, often represented in movies). Actual pedophilia - an attraction to children under the age of 12 - I believe if far less common. Men will always want the youngest, healthiest girls to copulate with. Young women will breed them healthy children, and thus are attractive from a physiological standpoint. This includes what appear to be 15-18 year olds (which, in today's society where young girls are looking older, may include 13 and 14 year olds). Now, this has been going on forever, but was just never taken as something arrestable or disgusting on a general societal level. Child pornography, on the other hand (porn involving kids less than 12 years of age) has always been on the fringe of society. Granted, there have been molestors around since children have been around, but there just have been less ability to catch them. This is what it all breaks down to - a greater ability to catch, report, and publicize people arrested for illegal pornography. __________________ "I've made only one mistake in my life. But I made it over and over and over. That was saying 'yes' when I meant 'no'. Forgive me."

08-05-2004, 05:24 AM	#16 (permalink)
Sharpie Upright	I didn't read the whole thread, but I wanted to say that I hear (I haven't studied up on the subject, just talked to people who have) that paedophelia is basically the same (psycologically) as homosexuality, its not something that people can change in themselves really. I'm not condoning it though, before anyone jumps to conclusions. A lot of paedophiles also absolutely detest themselves for it as well, and many commit suicide... just fyi Last edited by Sharpie; 08-05-2004 at 05:26 AM..

08-05-2004, 05:25 AM	#17 (permalink)
The Phenomenon Psycho Location: I think my horns are coming out	Yes a lot of pedophiles cannot help the attraction they feel. Thats a fact. But they can help acting on it. I take my hat off for the pedophiles out there who control themselves. __________________ Do not confuse altruism with kindness, good will or respect for the rights of others. These are not primaries, but consequences, which, in fact, altruism makes impossible. The irreducible primary of altruism, the basic absolute, is self-sacrifice - which means: self-immolation, self-abnegation, self-denial, self-destruction - which means: the self as a standard of evil, the selfless as a standard of the good.