KY warming liquid consumable? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Gilson · 04-07-2006, 04:01 PM

Silly question, and I'm assuming it's not... There's just no mention of it anywhere on the label. Safe to go down on someone after having used this for a little bit of fun beforehand? Or do you need to wash it off completely?

Topper · 04-07-2006, 04:24 PM

All I could find was limited info on the K-Y site here (and they don't tell their special ingredients/process to make it warming)
http://www.ky.com/faq.jsp#anchor6

but there is a number to call-

Quote:

If you have further questions, please contact us at 1-877-KYBRAND (592-7263)

though I’m guessing that number is also on your label...

Let us know what they say!

Personally I haven't warmed up to the idea yet of using the self-warming lubricants.. (no pun intended

) but I'm paranoid about new products like that...

Don't want to find out in 5 years it makes your wedding tackle fall off yanno?

J/K.. sorta

AquaFox · 04-07-2006, 09:02 PM

it tastes a little odd, but other than that i think it would be safe to do stuff with it... considering it's intended to go into the vagina, and you arn't going to throw a garden hose up it to wash it out, i would assume it would be safe to leave on skin without washing...

Sage · 04-08-2006, 06:51 AM

If it's water based, then there's no issue with injesting it...

But why would you want to? Lubes that aren't designed to be injested taste like a combination of mineral oil and a grocery bag from Safeway. Wash it off all soapy and sensual like, then have your tounge exercise!

snowy · 04-08-2006, 07:55 AM

Speaking from experience, the warming lube doesn't taste as bad as some others, and if your girlfriend is producing enough of her own juices as well you won't notice it at all.

Daniel_ · 04-08-2006, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sage

If it's water based, then there's no issue with injesting it...

But why would you want to? Lubes that aren't designed to be injested taste like a combination of mineral oil and a grocery bag from Safeway. Wash it off all soapy and sensual like, then have your tounge exercise!

That is totally NOT true.

My company manufactures a personal lubricant product that is sold as a registered medical device, for use in the vagina - and the antibacterial ingredients within it are approved for skin use, but not for food use.

You cannot assume that just because you can safely swoosh it up your wazoo you can gulp the stuff down. At a very basic level, consider this: skin acidity is neutral, stomach acidity is high, so there may be chemical breakdowns of ingredients in your gut that are not present in your vagina/anus. Also - if the preservatives kill all of your gut flora, you're going to increase your chances of getting a nasty case of the runs.

Here endeth the safety warning.

cellophanedeity · 04-11-2006, 06:52 PM

Also, the Condom Shack in Toronto won't carry the KY stuff because they don't even tell industry people what the active ingredients are. I'd stay away from it in general.

Topper · 04-11-2006, 10:43 PM

I knew I was on to something!!

Dragonknight · 04-11-2006, 11:15 PM

Hmm I went down on my wife, after useing ky and didn't have any wierd affects. This happened rather rescently also. She actually went down on me also and didn't complain of any weird tastes. I'd imagine that the sex washed most of it off of myself though. Hmm good luck with it.

Sweetpea · 04-12-2006, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topper

Don't want to find out in 5 years it makes your wedding tackle fall off yanno?

J/K.. sorta

good one topper.

sweetpea

Redlemon · 04-12-2006, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel_

That is totally NOT true.

My company manufactures a personal lubricant product that is sold as a registered medical device, for use in the vagina - and the antibacterial ingredients within it are approved for skin use, but not for food use.

You cannot assume that just because you can safely swoosh it up your wazoo you can gulp the stuff down. At a very basic level, consider this: skin acidity is neutral, stomach acidity is high, so there may be chemical breakdowns of ingredients in your gut that are not present in your vagina/anus. Also - if the preservatives kill all of your gut flora, you're going to increase your chances of getting a nasty case of the runs.

Here endeth the safety warning.

Very interesting. Do you want to plug your product? I think the information would be appreciated.

I did a little searching. On Wikipedia it says "The carboxymethyl groups present in the substance mean it has an effect similar to nitrous oxide when ingested. " For what that is worth. I'd keep my mouth away, based on that.

Also, on the page Dangerous Toxic Chemicals - Condom Lubricants - Health Report, we get the following lovely list:

Quote:

Nonoxynol 9: Poison by intraperitoneal route. Mutation data reported. When heated to decomposition, it emits acrid smoke and fumes (HC, p. 958).
Parrafin: Possible carcinogen with experimental tumorigenic data by implant route. (HC, p. 982; HOP, p. 212).
Chlorhexidine: Mildly toxic by ingestion. Skin irritant. Mutation data reported (HC, p. 167).
Lidocaine: Poison by ingestion and subcutaneous routes. Excitement, hallucinations, distorted perceptions, changes in heart rate, and dyspnea. Anaesthetic rapidly absorbed by mucous membranes. Excessive doses may cause methemoglobinemia (HC, p. 439; HOP, p.341.)
Mineral oil/petrolatum: A human teratogen that causes testicular tumors in the fetus. Inhalation of vapor or particles can cause pneumonia. Possibly produces gastrointestinal tumors. Deposits accumulate in the lymphnodes and dissolves and prevents the absorption of vitamin A from the intestines (HC, p. 885; HOP. p. 206, 410.)
Polyethylene glycol: Moderately toxic. Eye irritant. Possible carcinogen and flammable. Many glycols produce severe acidosis, central nervous system damage, and congestion (HC, p. 1053; HOP, pp. 193-195.)
Sodium borate: A.K.A. borax. Toxic to all cells. Prolonged absorption casues anorexia, vomiting, diarrhea, and anemia (HOP, p. 396).
Propylene glycol: Slightly toxic. Causes convulsions, mutations, and surface EEG changes (HC, p. 1086).
Carboxymethylcellulose, hydroxymethylcellulose, polyscorbate 60: The first of these compounds has been shown to cause cancer in animals. Used in cosmetics, inhalation of these products could cause chemical pneumonitis. Bodily implantation of these substances will cause foreign body [antibody] reaction (HOP, p. 308).
Triethanolamine: Moderately toxic by ingestion. Liver and kidney damage has been demonstrated in animals from chronic exposure. Possible carcinogen (HC, p. 1273).
Methylparaben, propylparaben: Close chemical cousins of benzoic acid. Poisonous and moderately toxic. An allergen. Causes dyspnea and allergic dermatitis (HC. pp. 132, 695, 702).

Granted, high doses may be required to produce the effects listed for some of these compounds but some, like mineral oil and petrolatum, are used in high doses in lubricants already. Beyond that, what are the effects of chronic, but low, exposure over time? How much overtime does the immune system have to work to remove these unnatural substances from the body, if they can be removed at all?

Ew. I'm a little skeeved out right now.

xepherys · 04-12-2006, 07:00 AM

Well, Redlemon, that's not really a group of issues, per se. MANY things, when used in ways they are not intended, are bad for you.

Nitrous Oxide (also dinitrogen monoxide) - used to make patients unconscious for surgery (for over 150 years).

Paraffin - The VAST majority of candles use paraffin wax as their base. Burning them would be detrimental if there was a serious carcinogen issue as carcinogens are usually MUCH more present in smoke (post-burn) than at stable room temperature. Also, you breath candle smoke more than you touch the candle, usually.

Chlorhexadine - Used in sntibacterials handsoaps. According to various Hazmat safety sheets, roughly 0.1% of people appear sensitive to it.

Lidocaine - Used in MANY topical creams and sprays, both over the counter (OTC) and perscription.

Let's skip a few

Cancer in Animals - Well, this is one that you always need to take with salt either way. Saccharine and Aspartame were shown to cause cancer in rats a decade or two ago, and hence diet pop had warning labels on it (or any food containing them). More recent review of the data and current studies show this is not truly the case. That for it to be "toxic" it would be the equivalent of a human drinking 12-14 liters of diet soda a day. If you drank that much of most things, including water, your body would react negatively.

The lesson in this? Personally, I'm anti-chemical. But not all chemicals are always bad, and not all natural things are good at all. Educating yourself is very important regarding stuff like this. There are more toxins in a grilled steak or piece of chicken (or even grilled tofu) than there probably are in a single dose of lubricant (I'm making an educated guess here) since the meat itself has chemicals (even organic meats, even soy products, even vegetables) that are not native to the human body. Also, the grilling carbonizes portions and makes them mildly toxic as well... which is actually the part that makes grilling things tasty. *shrug*

In the end, using things the way they are meant to be used are generally safe(ish). I don't recommend lighting your cigarette off a burning tire. :-p

Redlemon · 04-12-2006, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by xepherys

Well, Redlemon, that's not really a group of issues, per se. MANY things, when used in ways they are not intended, are bad for you ... In the end, using things the way they are meant to be used are generally safe(ish).

Agreed. I was just coming back here to note that I haven't verified the quality of my links. That "health-report.co.uk" site appears to be very alarmist.

However, so many of the products out there are labeled "for novelty use only", and who knows what might be up with them. For example, there's an open question out there regarding latex toys, and whether or not chemicals leach out during insertion. (I buy silicone toys, partly because of the above question, and partly because they don't have that cloying chemical/vanilla odor.)

I'm still searching to see if anyone has more useful information.

Prince · 04-15-2006, 05:33 AM

It doesn't taste as bad as most lubes. I haven't experienced any odd side-effects, either. Only positive, warming ones.

04-07-2006, 04:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Gilson Upright	KY warming liquid consumable? Silly question, and I'm assuming it's not... There's just no mention of it anywhere on the label. Safe to go down on someone after having used this for a little bit of fun beforehand? Or do you need to wash it off completely?

04-07-2006, 09:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
AquaFox WaterDog	it tastes a little odd, but other than that i think it would be safe to do stuff with it... considering it's intended to go into the vagina, and you arn't going to throw a garden hose up it to wash it out, i would assume it would be safe to leave on skin without washing... __________________ ...AquaFox...

04-08-2006, 06:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
Sage hoarding all the big girl panties since 2005 Location: North side	If it's water based, then there's no issue with injesting it... But why would you want to? Lubes that aren't designed to be injested taste like a combination of mineral oil and a grocery bag from Safeway. Wash it off all soapy and sensual like, then have your tounge exercise! __________________ Sage knows our mythic history, King Arthur's and Sir Caradoc's She answers hard acrostics, has a pretty taste for paradox She quotes in elegiacs all the crimes of Heliogabalus In conics she can floor peculiarities parabolous -C'hi

04-08-2006, 07:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	Speaking from experience, the warming lube doesn't taste as bad as some others, and if your girlfriend is producing enough of her own juices as well you won't notice it at all. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

04-11-2006, 06:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
cellophanedeity Heliotrope Location: A warm room	Also, the Condom Shack in Toronto won't carry the KY stuff because they don't even tell industry people what the active ingredients are. I'd stay away from it in general. __________________ who am I to refuse the universe? -Leonard Cohen, Beautiful Losers

04-11-2006, 10:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Topper Tilted Location: Seattle	I knew I was on to something!!

04-11-2006, 11:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dragonknight Insane Location: Hawaii	Hmm I went down on my wife, after useing ky and didn't have any wierd affects. This happened rather rescently also. She actually went down on me also and didn't complain of any weird tastes. I'd imagine that the sex washed most of it off of myself though. Hmm good luck with it. __________________ Freedom is NOT Free.

04-12-2006, 07:00 AM	#12 (permalink)
xepherys <3 TFP Location: 17TLH2445607250	Well, Redlemon, that's not really a group of issues, per se. MANY things, when used in ways they are not intended, are bad for you. Nitrous Oxide (also dinitrogen monoxide) - used to make patients unconscious for surgery (for over 150 years). Paraffin - The VAST majority of candles use paraffin wax as their base. Burning them would be detrimental if there was a serious carcinogen issue as carcinogens are usually MUCH more present in smoke (post-burn) than at stable room temperature. Also, you breath candle smoke more than you touch the candle, usually. Chlorhexadine - Used in sntibacterials handsoaps. According to various Hazmat safety sheets, roughly 0.1% of people appear sensitive to it. Lidocaine - Used in MANY topical creams and sprays, both over the counter (OTC) and perscription. Let's skip a few Cancer in Animals - Well, this is one that you always need to take with salt either way. Saccharine and Aspartame were shown to cause cancer in rats a decade or two ago, and hence diet pop had warning labels on it (or any food containing them). More recent review of the data and current studies show this is not truly the case. That for it to be "toxic" it would be the equivalent of a human drinking 12-14 liters of diet soda a day. If you drank that much of most things, including water, your body would react negatively. The lesson in this? Personally, I'm anti-chemical. But not all chemicals are always bad, and not all natural things are good at all. Educating yourself is very important regarding stuff like this. There are more toxins in a grilled steak or piece of chicken (or even grilled tofu) than there probably are in a single dose of lubricant (I'm making an educated guess here) since the meat itself has chemicals (even organic meats, even soy products, even vegetables) that are not native to the human body. Also, the grilling carbonizes portions and makes them mildly toxic as well... which is actually the part that makes grilling things tasty. shrug In the end, using things the way they are meant to be used are generally safe(ish). I don't recommend lighting your cigarette off a burning tire. :-p

04-15-2006, 05:33 AM	#14 (permalink)
Prince /nɑndəsˈkrɪpt/ Location: LV-426	It doesn't taste as bad as most lubes. I haven't experienced any odd side-effects, either. Only positive, warming ones. __________________ Who is John Galt?