Blunt

Has anybody around here used them before? Or taken them for a long period of time?

What do you know about them? Do most of the 'scary' sideeffects that people say, true? Or are the most of them very rare?

Do you accually need to work out with them, or can you just take them and slowely get more muscle?

Thanks in advanced.

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maestro

well this is really an odd question to ask, considering that steroids is basically illegal for every sport. i doubt that anybody that actually uses it would ever fess up to it.

Subform

Steriods will ruin your inside totally! .. you will rott up inside, literally!
There are many types of Anabolic Steroids and i suggest you to find another place to look for answers. There are loads of places with info about these drugs.
And no, sideeffects are not rare at all. They _will_ happen ..
The more you use, the more it will happen. Your liver will be destroyed.

Anyways, next question ..
There are surtain drugs you can take that will make you grow without the use of workout .. But these are only given to human midgets so their bones will grow, and thereby they will get a bigger size.
The thing about these drugs is that you can't control where you grow, (docters might be able to control em) .. Which means that there is a chance that your heart will grow, and finally burst. And no, you will not survive this.

And btw, your attitute towards working out sounds very very ill. Its like you don't wanna workout, but you wanna gain muscle ??

First of all, my advice to you is:
Start working out ..

If you wanna get slim, read this:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=18412

If you wanan grow and get strong, read this:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=19582

And erm ..

Drugs are bad for you .. Mmkay?

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ronan

I suggest u start doing some research before u start saying "they will ruin your inside totally! .. you will rott up inside, literally!" from the sounds of it you obviously have noidea of what you are talking about and are just another person who disagrees with anabolic steroid use.

The scary side effects you will have to elaborate on as there is so much crap that the public have been told about steroids that is just a complete joke.

Taking anabolics is not an easy way out so dont think you take them and dont have to do anything and you grow, you still have to train hard and eat clean.

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cliche

In answer to your final question - steroids are not "free muscle". You have to train just as hard with them as without; they just increase your gains. However, they're full of problems.

One of the real problems with anabolic steroids is they can be converted by the body into oestrogen (female sex hormone) so you can end up with all sorts of lovely side effects -> infertility, female fat distribution, gynaecomastia (grow breasts)

Also, steroids increase your cholesterol levels (they are related compounds, and cause widespread cholesterol metabolism changes) - thus massively increasing your risks of heart attacks etc. In our hospital we have seen cases.

Of course, no side effects are ever guaranteed - but do you really want to be playing with them and risking all the problems?

Good overview (very fair, doesn't just say "ugh, leave them alone") at:
http://www.steroidinformation.com/sideeffects.htm

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Subform

ronan: I have nothing against Steroids, so no, its not an attempt to keep him off it! ..
Right at this moment im doing very fine without any AS, so wouldn't bother buying it.

Oral steroids do literally kill the inside of your organs. Its not a joke when people tells you that many great bodybuilders die in a farely young age.

Injected steroids works better, and is less harmful.

And about the research. Im doing tons of it.
Im a member on a danish forum called bodyhouse.dk
Forum for bodybuilders who talk openly about use of steroids, to get the best results. This site is not encouraging it in anyway. Only helping, if you chose to do it. There are many in there who know by experience that Oral steroids can make your liver go banana.

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alec

i know a few people who did use roids during high school and developed the good ol rage. plus one dudes arm turned purple when he maxed for bench. quite interesting.

ive always wondered if you were a pot head and took roids if they would balance one another out. i mean, sounds reasonable, right?

-alec

cliche

alec - (sings) was gonna max my bench, but then I got high...

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ronan

Oral steroids are extreamily toxic to the liver and i wouldnt encourage anyone to use them.

There are some injectables that are reasonably safe with minimal sideffects like nandrolone deconate (deca) and also does not arromitise or very little (basically means converting to estrogen).
In my opinion the sideffects are all dosage related and the length of time you stay on them.

It all comes down to what your goals are and what you wont to look like, unfortunalty the bottom line is you cannot get big without them and anyone that sais otherwise is a fool.

In saying that we all take risks in life weather or not you choose to use androgens is up to you.

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butthead

Go to www.dancesafe.org for information on steroids, please. Seriously, people here don't know jack shit when it comes to drugs. While you may hear stories of "roid rage" and other haunting tales, steroids taken with care and responsibility aren't going to totally fuck up your life.

"Roid rage" can be avoided with steroid use.

laserman

Check out elitefitness.com lots of helpful info there.

Crazboos

I just have to chuckle at this thread.

Do some research on steroids before you use them.

Here's one article I found:

Since the 1950s, some athletes have been taking anabolic steroids to build muscle and boost their athletic performance. Increasingly, other segments of the population also have been taking these compounds. The Monitoring the Future study, which is an annual survey of drug abuse among adolescents across the country, showed a significant increase from 1998 to 1999 in steroid abuse among middle school students. During the same year, the percentage of 12th-graders who believed that taking these drugs causes "great risk" to health, de-clined from 68 percent to 62 percent.

Studies show that, over time, anabolic steroids can indeed take a heavy toll on a person's health. The abuse of oral or injectable steroids is associated with higher risks for heart attacks and strokes, and the abuse of most oral steroids is associated with increased risk for liver problems. Steroid abusers who share needles or use nonsterile techniques when they inject steroids are at risk for contracting dangerous infections, such as HIV/AIDS, hepatitis B and C, and bacterial endocarditis.

Anabolic steroid abuse can also cause undesirable body changes. These include breast development and genital shrinking in men, masculinization of the body in women, and acne and hair loss in both sexes.

These and other effects of steroid abuse are discussed in this Research Report, which is one of a series of reports on drugs of abuse. NIDA produces this series to increase understanding of drug abuse and addiction and the health effects associated with taking drugs.

We hope that this compilation of scientific information on anabolic steroids will help the public recognize the risks of steroid abuse.

Alan I. Leshner, Ph.D.

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ronan

My advice to you would be to stop reading useless articles, and especially dont listen to a thing a doctor has to say on androgens.

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rodgerd

Yeah. What would a doctor know about your health? Just take the advice of some random guy on teh Intaweb. He knows everything...

rodgerd

Nope. It ain't worth it - while the various chemical methods (steroids, HGH, etc) of gaining muscle would no doubt malke me bigger, it's not worth it for me.

I'm never going to be Mr Olympia, so why risk years of my life?

Depends on the scary side effects we're talking about. Angel dust like roid rage doesn't, that I'm aware, exist. Milder side effects - like gradual damage to the heart and liver, feminising, and so on - does to a degree which varies with use and the individual.

Steroids do nothing for you on their own. You still have to work out. They can increase what you get from working out, but sitting on your arse all day and taking steroids will get you nowhere.

As I say above, the caclulation for me is simple; steroids will, to a lesser or greater extent, cause you problems in the long term. If you think the extra muscle they can buy is worth risking years off your life span, perhaps they're worthwhile.

Chances are, though, it's not a deal worth making.

butthead

The problem is many doctors don't know, would rather sensationalize the issue to scare, or simply lie.

However, when someone starts thinking they know whats better for me, it's a red flag for investigation.

ronan

The amount of knowledge doctors have on steroids is about just as much knowledge i have on heart surgery absolutely nothing.

As for believing any random guy on the net,

How about you try things for yourself and make your own discisons rather than reading articles and believeing all the crap that has been said about anabolics.

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butthead

Yes, good input, I agree. And also if you decide to use, learn how to use as safe as possible at the URL I provided above. It is critical that one knows what one is doing.

Crazboos

So what are the benefits of using steroids? Not for medical reasons, but for weight lifting. Someone post a link or an article (from a credible source) about these "benefits". We have the negatives here
(SIDE EFFECTS OF STEROIDS LINK) now lets read something substantial on the "benefits".

Also curious about the mood swings seen with some of the guys I see at the gym who admit to taking steroids. Do the skin problems have anything to do with the taking of steroids or the problems men have with their genitals? What happens to the heart, liver, and other major organs after steroid usage.

Are to pros better than the cons?

Lastly, why don't doctors know anything about steroids? What gives anyone the idea that doctors wouldn't know about steroids?

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cliche

Crazboos - Doctors do know about steroids, but mainly by seeing the complications as people come in to the hospital with problems from taking steroids and expect the doctors to sort them out. So it's unsurprising that you tend to hear very negative things about steroids from doctors.

Yes, steroids can make you more muscular, better at lifting weights etc etc. But yes, steroids can make you have mood swings, lose your hair early, shrink your genitals, give you acne, cause mood swings, increase your risk of heart attack and stroke amongst others. At the end of the day it's all about choice - but it's got to be an informed choice so people realise it's not 'free muscle'

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guy2003

I wouldn't evert take them. There are like so many injections involved plus all the pills you have to take to keep your hormons from getting out of wack. Not worth it. Unless you like the idea of bitch tits, acne, roid rage, and kidny failure.

bajwae

I'm a doctor and a weightlifter, so I like to think that I have a little insight into this issue. Here's what I think of what's been said so far:

1) There are people who can get huge without using steroids. These people are genetically gifted. If you're not one of them, you're out of luck -- you can train hard and eat clean and you will definitely get big, but you'll never reach true bodybuilder status.

2) Using anabolic steroids increases muscle far beyond what you'd be able to achieve naturally, but it comes at a cost...

3) Here's a list of some of the complications I've seen in steroid users, some at the hospital, some in the gym:

-Impotence, which is very common
-Testicular shrinkage, which is also very common
-'Roid rage: resulted in the death of someone I know when he picked a fight with a cop
-Heart failure: Steroids can affect the heart in many different ways; I've personally seen two deaths from this. One was a high-school kid who had an enlarged heart from steroid use, one was a guy who blew out one of his heart valves because of steroids.
-Liver failure: also pretty common; I saw a guy in the hospital with huge tumors on his liver from anabolic steroid use
-Skin scarring/infections: can happen from the repeated injections

My advice: these drugs are potentially very dangerous. I've seen the harm they can do many times. Yes, some people will get lucky and have no problems, but do you really want to gamble with your health just so you can look big?

butthead

Don't bother defending doctors. It's a general statement based on my experience that doctors know very little about the nitty gritty pharmacological details of anything, let alone illegal or questionable agents.