clockworkgreen

Who the hell admits to smoking weed to a cop 2 1/2 years after the fact?

Was there some kind of home video that circulated on the internet proving he did it? That's just stupid. Honest, but stupid.

gariig

Sorry, voice stress analyzer, you can not lie to one of those things.

Gariig

leprechaun

it is great that you have been clean for 8 months but if you want to try something you are going to try it period. Personnally I stay away from coke, and herain "the major drugs". Huge fan of weed, mush, acid and i like "e" but it scares me. My tip: be outside but not too far from home. Just for comfort purposes, especially if it is your first time

crow_daw

You've gotta weigh the pros against the cons.
Pros: You'll be high for a little while.
Cons: You could fucking die.

Its just not worth it.

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queer

once again, all good advice, especially asdf1001.

Gangsta; i'm curious as to why you would want to know what i want to do with my life. Actually, in that department i am pretty fucked. Too long to go into now, i'll save that for another thread maybe.

I am pretty confused about doing anything now, and i don't want to do anything unless i am 100% sure that i want to. Well i guess i still got a lot to consider, i mean with all the negative i really shouldn't even be thinking about it, but i am still interested.

thanks once again

phredgreen

queer, i'm gonna suggest you spend a lil time at urban 75's drugs section. it's a bullshit free guide to most of the majors out there, what to expect and what dangers you're facing using them.

as with everyone else i do not support their use, but i'd much rather a user know what they're getting into and make informed desicions than just take whatever their dumbfuck friends push on them.

be safe. think. do what makes you happy, but harm no one else. if you find yourself in a situation where your actions are negatively affecting otehrs, it's quitting time. keep that in mind and be careful.

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Sleepyjack

I don't know if this has been said yet, but there seems to be a lot of negative drug stories. I have never really done any serious or hard drugs myself, well a little weed but not so much anymore, but for aa positive drug story read my sig.

Its all about moderation tho. And i find, atm, the best way to "pry open my third eye", so to speak, is to listen to music. Listening to some trippy physcadelic music is sometimes equilivant to being high. Its all a state of mind, well for me. Plus its much healthier!!!

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purpleperson

Seen lots of high patients in the ER. Where drugs go, its just a matter of time until hepatitis, hiv and heart failure follow. NOTHING GOOD CAN COME OF THIS.

MacGnG

telling people they are gonna die cause they do drugs, isn't going to help.

i only started doing drugs recently but i am a responsible, knowledgeable, drug user and havent had any serious problems. not to say i havent had any problems *emotionally* but physically no.

it's about the RISK involved; *most* drugs are relatively safe, ONLY WHEN:
taken in moderation, you have a SOBER "sitter" watching you, and YOU KNOW WHAT U ARE DOING.

always: *STUPID*+DRUGS = DEATH


i am not promoting drugs i am simply saying: people are gonna do drugs if they are determined to do so; at least make sure you are SAFE when you do them and be smart about it.

i dont need comments about how drugs are never safe, because that is wrong as i explained.

boredjerk

I smell a narc. Anyway, buddy slow the fuck down. Don't plan what you're GOING to do but what you're NOT going to do. For example, don't ever inject anything. I've done just about everything over the years, and a couple to ridiculous excess. Avoid doing a lot of the shit that's really addictive if you like it. Don't be in a hurry to try new shit. Don't do too much. When you run out of money, quit.

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alec

Who the fuck has ever died from shrooms or speed? Do you guys think before you dispense your 5th grade DARE-educated advice? Fuck, if I were reading this, I'd want to abuse more drugs just to spite the rampant stupidity on this board.

Anyway, a few people have already covered what I will say, so I'll just offer a little more. When trying something new, ask a friend/someone else how much you should take. Divide that by 2 or 3 and thats how much you should start with. Also, with powders (k/speed/coke), only buy from trusted friends who know what they're getting. I've never heard of anyone dying from either of those 3 drugs, but I have heard of people dying by mistaking one powder for another (usually bumping heroin). Also, find someone to do this shit with. if you're doing stuff by yourself, you're probably a loser.

gonadman

Queer- 'fore ya do the shrooms/peyote, you might find it facinating to get a different outlook on it. Check out "Conversations with Don Quan- a Yaqui way of knowledge" by Carlos Casteneda.

It is an adventure into the spiritual life of Southwestern US indians and their use of hallucinogens as told by a white man. It will completely change your view of these drugs. Might be all you need to spice up that drab life...

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butthead

Amphetamine and methamphetamine can kill in overdose and lethal overdose is much easier to reach with meth than something more benign like marijuana.

splck

You can't overdose with weed...ever. I've tried a lot of different stuff over the years, but now I just smoke a doobie or two

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MacGnG

it is very true that you can't OD on THC, but you can get way more stoned than you wanna b lol.

HarmlessRabbit

i'm 38 and i've occasionally used drugs over the years. Here's my advice:

- Know yourself first.

If you're an "addictive" personality, prone to binges, watch out. Can you eat just one chip and stop? When you drink, can you have two drinks and say "no thanks, i've got to get up early?" If not, you're in a danger zone playing with drugs. Alcohol is bad enough, drugs are far more powerful than alcohol and can permanently damage you.

- Know the drugs

Erowid, mentioned before, is a great resource. Remember than many street drugs aren't clean, so you may not know what you're getting unless you have a trusted friend helping you. Many drugs (ketamine, nitrous oxide, sniffing glue) can permanently damage your brain with a lot of use. Others (LSD, ecstacy, mushrooms, pot) are generally safe to your body, especially when occasionally experimenting with them. Overuse of anything is bad.

- Think about what you want to get out of the experience

I think drugs are best approached ritually. What are you trying to change in yourself? LSD, in particular, and also shrooms and ecstacy can be a way for you to explore parts of your mind and your self that you have never touched before. To do that, you'll need a "ritual" environment, not a dance club. Approached right, drugs can open up your mind and help you see things in new ways. Approached wrong, and drugs can get you in jail, or make you a mother/father far before you were ready, or give you a STD, or worse.

Drugs are powerful and dangerous, like guns, and they need to be treated with respect. Read some of the horror stories on erowid and you'll see what I mean.

Ok, that said, I've occasionally done LSD, shrooms, and ecstacy (i don't like pot) over the years, and I'm none the worse for it. I took an IQ test a couple of years ago and score exactly the same as I did in high school. My physical health right now is better than it has ever been. I still do ecstacy about 2-4 times a year with close friends, and I find it's a wonderful drug to open you up to friends. I also occasionally do shrooms and it's wonderful to open yourself up internally, but not really a social drug.


Good luck, and be careful!

butthead

The poison is in the dose, not the substance. Marijuana is a very benign substance as far as risk of death (I meant to say that marijuana was safer than methamphetamine).

It is entirely possible (and quite easy) to take in more drug than intended and become more stoned than one is comfortable with, as MacGnG stated, hence, OVER DOSING.

Many people seem to have this idea that overdosing is synonymous with lethal dose, which it isnt.

HarmlessRabbit

butthead, you said:

surely this is a type? if not, then, in my opinion, you are out of your mind. meth is incredibly dangerous and addictive.

butthead

I think your post is pretty neat, but there are a few things that I think must be corrected:

Ketamine has similar risks to drugs like PCP and DXM. Too much may lead to mental impairment and possibly microscopic vacules (holes) in your brain ("Olney's lesions", named after the scientist who discovered it). Although I do not not if it is possible for even non-human primates to suffer from Olney's lesions due to ketamine/dxm/pcp use, it is clear that impairment most likely will occur. Symptoms of impairment seem to disappear with time.

Nitrous oxide, for all intents and purposes, will not damage your brain. Extremely heavy, chronic use may deplete B12 and lead to other adverse conditions, but this can be avoided by taking B12 whenever you feel like binging on nitrous.

While it is true LSD and mushrooms are not heavily taxing on the body in a way that a drug like meth would be in higher doses, and pot can protect the brain from damage due to stroke or physical trauma, MDMA may be something of more concern. MDMA, taken responsibily and infrequently, is unlikely to cause any adverse physical effects related to neurotoxicity (my own opinion). However, when it is used in a way that reflects the media stereotype of an "Ecstasy" user, MDMA may exacerbate adverse psychological conditions and may adversely affect brain tissue. I think the riskiest part of using MDMA for someone who knows what they are doing is finding it.

All of these are on Erowid.

While one may receive blood borne diseases on the rarest of occasions, it wouldn't be sexually transmitted.

butthead

Hahah, yeah, that is most definitely a typo! Hahaha! I think marijuana is MUCH safer.

HarmlessRabbit

i'll defer to you, butthead, since you appear to have taken the time to do your research. I was always under the impression that nitrous was pretty dangerous stuff. But, I'll trust your opinion on this.

I've yet to see any conclusive evidence on MDMA and brain damage, but it certainly makes sense that it's not a good drug to take several times a week.

I think you took my STD comment too literally. My point was that if you takes lots of drugs and go out nightclubbing, you're likely to end up sleeping with someone you never intended to sleep with, or not use protection when you should have. Drugs lower inhibitions. Clubs are full of sexual predators of both genders (and several sexual preferences). It's best, I think, to do drugs in a "safe" environment with trusted friends.

lagoonguy

You know what?? Alchohol was my drug of choice until I turned 30 years old.... THIRTY. I'd never done anything other than occasional weed... I decided to try stuff I should have done when I was 20............. So.... I did X. Exctacy...and I tell you what, I realized how terrible a drug ALCHOHOL was after I did X was. Of course, like anything, you can overdo it. I know people who have taken 2,3 pills at a time, and that will SCREW you up. I did 2 once, and it really messed me up; I won't do it again. BUT... on X, you remember everything, you do not do stupid stuff like you do when you are drunk.... You are in control on X (just do ONE dose, if you do more, you still remember everything but it's pretty f--kd up)..... X is great. You feel good, it lasts 3-4 hours, and it's done, then you sleep and wake up normal.... you don't wake up with a stupid hangover.. ALCHOHOL is the worse drug ever. I really believe that. Well, maybe not EVER, but damn, I love alchohol, and after doing X the first time, being in so much control while I was doing it, I felt betrayed by alchohol... The whole buzzy spinny thing you continue to build on with alchohol, it doesn't happen with X. You just feel like you are in EUPHORIA, and you are in total control, and you know what's going on. DRINK WATER, as you sweat a lot. Other than that, I say you give X a try.

lagoonguy

BTW, before I did X, I totally researched it. check out www.dancesafe.org and read what X does to you. I even bought a test kit to make sure my drugs were really X. I didn't play around. I researched this stuff.... and I really thing X is a good drug -- IF YOU REALLY GET X...... Once, thanks to my test kit, I discovered that some pills I got were NOT X but Cough Syrup, and that was AFTER a friend had already taken them (and it really wigged them out).... SO...be careful with it, and you can have fun.

HarmlessRabbit

i agree with you, Lagoonguy, ecstacy is a great drug. Far nicer than alcohol. Try taking just half a pill sometime and go out to the clubs. It's lots of fun and you never come close to losing control, you're just giddy and very aware of your surroundings.

Alcohol is a terrible drug. It's too bad we're such a puritan society. Well, at least marijuana will be legal in a few years, even if I don't smoke it.

isandro

And how many people do you see that came from a car crash? Motorised traffic has killed millions of people but nobody's going 'Cars Kill! Just say no'. Alcholol has ruined so many lives directly and indirectly, but i have yet to hear of a proposal to put it on the drug list. Smoking kills millions of people veryvery slowly, and i've never been able to understand what in god's name is the use of that. I don't see much difference in effect or addictiveness between alcohol and weed, yet every year thousands of people get prosecuted and sentenced to multi-year prisonsentences for possesion or dealing.
I don't get that. It seems that it's mostly based on either tradition or some type of usefulness that we agree upon.

I do agree that drugs are a dangerous business. Bad motivations, tendency to addiction, mental/emotional instability and ofcourse the 'strong and sober' arm of the law can make drugs the direct cause of you fucking up your life.
However, careful education, preperation, selection of dealer etc can greatly improve the safety and pleasure of your adventure.

I've taken xtc, shrooms, LSD, speed and i still smoke grass.
The xtc experiences have really opened me up to other people -and to myself aswell. I wouldn't say that it 'cured' me, but rather it showed me different ways of communicating and looking at myself and the world around me. If I had not made the effort to start practicing these things in real life, it would've been nothing but a nice dream to wake up from.
But I won't be taking any more. I have a tendency to get depressed and the stuff wreaked havoc on my serotonin levels. Researchers seem unsure as to how far the brain can restore this effect. Some say a couple of months, others say never.

The shrooms always made me a bit kranky and nervous. When I did manage to chill out it was pretty cool though- mad colors, and my eyes would sometimes focus on something small, like a puddle in the road and it would just expand into an entire cosmos- and then i'd flip out of it and wonder about the filthyness of that puddle
Don't think you'd have serious hallucinations though, don't expect to be seeing naked chicks running down the street towards you.
Unless you're prone to paranoia/schizophrenia and such, shrooms could be nice. Take half a dose, that should put you on the doorstep, just check out the scenery and think about it for a while. Have someone with you who has some experience with it, he/she'll know how to deal with bad trips.
Rule of thumb: make it clear to yourself that you're on the trip. You're not thinking rationally and basically whatever you're feeling will go away if you just let it go. Watch it as if it were television.

Speed is for suckers, IMO. Like drinking waaay too much coffee and it fucks up your body. Plus it's quite addictive. I've never tried coke because I fear I might like it too much.

Have a safe one!

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yoshi

Don't take them! These drugs do not affect everyone the same way and they could kill you---it's totally not worth the high. Then what if you get hooked, turn into a junkie, live on the streets with no money b/c you spent it on drugs, or kill someone for drugs--dude, what are you thinking?

bermuDa

speed is dangerous and highly addictive. I've got friends who've gotten into it way over their heads (stealing from their friends to support their habit), and I don't plan on ever doing it.

stay away from any drug you inject. The risk of infection is too great, and those kinds of drugs are also very addictive. If you don't want to shoot something up more than once, I suggest you don't do it at all.

cocaine is expensive and addictive, a bad combination. I was going to try it once but the hookup fell through and I took it as an omen. I've also been told stories by friends who saw someone's nose literally fall off after snorting way too much. That alone is a lesson in moderation.

I've done nitrous once (outside of the dentist's) just to try it. It's a pretty funny experience and everything seems to echo, but it lasts no more than a minute, and you look like a complete fool when you're on it.

Shrooms can be fun, but too much will depress you. check out this thread in tilted living for more shroom info, I posted a lengthy bit of advice regarding them. The visuals come from the caps, and the body high from the stems, which might explain some other tfper's experiences mentioned in this thread.

I haven't done acid, but I suppose I'll try it someday. I've heard it's similar to shrooms, with more intense visuals. A safe environment is all I can recommend. In my senior year of high school there was a party where a guy on acid did a swan dive off a balcony, thinking there was a pool underneath.... there wasn't.

I've heard nothing good about DXM or ketamine (in fact mixing DXM and ecstacy can be lethal). I don't plan on doing them and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone.

Ecstacy can be a great experience, and make you feel a lot better about the world as a whole. Before I took it I read as much about it as I could. dancesafe.org has a great slideshow that shows exactly what it does to your brain. The damage occurs when you're coming down (flooring); seratonin is taken back into the neuron via reuptake transporters, but along with the seratonin goes dopamine, which is bad for your seratonin neurons. To make things worse, the dopamine is broken into hydrogen peroxide, which is poison for the neuron (and causes the damage to the cell). To avoid this damage, take an MAO-B inhibitor like prozac when you start to come down. Be sure your source is legit, there are a lot of bunk pills out there that can do serious damage to you. just remember to stay hydrated. Also, seratonin levels take a minimum of 5 days to return to normal without the use of 5-HTP (tryptophan), but I'd limit the frequency to once a month.

The only problem with weed is it leads to a lack of motivation...

As much as i understand your desire to experiment... I'd stick with the less addictive substances.

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debaser

Well, I guess I'll be the asshole here.

Wanna do drugs? Wanna experiment? Go ahead. I suggest you try them alone and on top of something very tall, it will add to your "high". Don't pussyfoot around with these wimpy doses, do two to three times what your buddys tell you, that way you really experience the drug (the other kids will think you are cool, too). If you feel you are coming down too hard, hop in the bathtub with your toaster, it's a great buzz-kill. Most importantly: Do not beleive all this hype about drugs being dangerous, nobody really dies or fucks up their life with them, it's all hype.

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butthead

The DanceSafe slideshow is outdated. New research suggests DA isn't the main culprit in MDMA toxicity, but rather MDMA metabolites.

Prozac is not an MAO-B inhibitor (generally), it is an SSRI and taking this for neuroprotection is questionable and brings its own neurotoxic risks. Deprenyl, anti-parkinson and antidepressant drug, is an MAO-B inhibitor. While it is unclear if Deprenyl is helpful or harmful or to what degree, it is typically a good idea to avoid MAOIs with MDMA.

It will take about two weeks for 5HT systems to return to normal function after using MDMA.

For more information on neuroprotection using MDMA, check out the Neurotoxicity forum on DanceSafe.org.

Zargix

Anyone here had any experience with Salvia? I really wanna try some of it.

bermuDa

my bad, it's been about 2 years since I've taken the drug, so it's been a while since I read up on it. I get the acronyms mixed up sometimes, you're right about prozac being an SSRI.

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iandj777

I agree with the people who said you should be, at the very least informed. Don't jump into anything with both feet when you don't really know what's going to happen. I've done alot of drugs but now I regret doing 90% percent of them. And I'm only 25. My advice, stay away from everything except mushrooms and bud. Not that these are good for you but things like coke, extacy, acid, mescolyn, meth, heroin and anything else I didn't mention fucking suck. I've never gone the nose candy route but I lost two of my friends (one turned into an asshole, the other's vital organs threw in the towel). The nose and especially tapping the vein is pretty much the stupidest shit you could ever do!
I personally am trying to quit everything right now. It would be best if you just stayed away from all of it.

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MacGnG

Zargix: salvia is not something to fuck arond with, you have to be mentally ready for it. read up on it and start with a low extract, make sure some one sober is watching you. have fun be safe its trippy shit.... MAKE SURE YOU HAVE MUSIC!!!! u need like spiritual kinda stuff no words its awsome.

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Martel

Unforunately this particular tidbit fails to take into account that had you not tried it, you wouldn't know what it was like.

As for my advice, ignore all the people saying "OMG DRUGS ARE BAD DONT TAKE THEM YOU MORON!!!@!112". Well, scratch that. Don't ignore them. Note their opinions, and add them into your mix when you're doing your own research and deciding for yourself what to do. Personally I think it's wonderful that you are considering some experimentation, as it seems to indicate that you are tired of having all the BS (as noted above) pushed down your throat. My advice would be to visit erowid as noted previously. Erowid is a wonderful resource, and can help you with many if not all of your drug-related questions.

Above all, know what you're dealing with. Don't take anything just because someone says "hey man, eat this" and hands you a pill. When experimenting with psychedelics, do it in a happy, safe environment, such as your living room, with a friend or two who have experience with what you're doing.

Take it easy, and everything will work out. You aren't going to have sudden urges to run out in traffic or jump out the window or stare at the sun until you go blind.

Martel

Just to be the opposing voice here, it should be noted that Olney's Lesions have never been shown to occur in humans. In fact, the animals in which they have been found (rats) have an entirely different metabolization pathway for the above-mentioned dissociatives, making it highly unlikely that Olney's Lesions could occur. The paper linking use of dissociatives to Olney's Lesions and NAN (NMDA Antagonist Neurotoxicity) was not peer-reviewed or published in any journals. The author, William White, was once usenet's resident DXM expert, but he has not been heard from for some time now.

In short, he made it up. It's an interesting theory, but nothing more than that. Most reports of mental impairment in dissociative users come from reeeally heavy usage (5+ times a week) and as far as I know most people generally recover after a year or two of not using it. Sure, even a bit of short-term impairment is bad, but its certainly possible to use dissociatives at levels below those at which impairment seems to be fairly common (not 5+ times a week :P)

jwoody

It's true that drugs are bad (m'kay), including alcohol and tobacco, but that never stopped myself and nearly all of my friends and associates from experimenting.

Much sense has been spoken in this thread on both sides of the arguement although one very important piece of advice has not been mentioned yet:

DON'T GET CAUGHT. The police don't care if it's your first time or your thousandth time. They'll lock you up and charge you without hesitation.

That said, don't ever O'D on ketamine. The k-hole is a dark place, from which many people never return.

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splck

Time for you to come to BC my friend

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butthead

NAN (induced from either dissociative or Diet-drink use) and OL are theoretical risks, such as MDMA neurotoxicity. In reality, I doubt it's a risk worth getting your panties in a bunch over (for humans, anyway). More research would be appreciated though.

However, I will admit that I have heard of impairment in DXM users that used at a maximum way less than five times a week.

Martel

Any idea if these people still experienced impairment after laying off the DXM for a few months?

mortius

if you really feel this is something you must do, do it as safe as possible and stay away from the harder stuff (herion, etc). That shit will really mess your life up quickly (My sister got hooked on herion, said the same thing most people do, I won't get hooked).

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