queer

hello people, i am kinda new here and am thinking of experimenting with different drugs, i've only ever tried weed before but have quit it for about 8 months now. i am thinking it is now time for some speed, ketamine (sp?), shrooms, and perhaps coke...

i don't know much about these drugs except speed, and was wondering if any of you people had and experience with them or knew of anyone who did. so basically, if anyone has the knowledge and the time, i would apprectiate it if someone could post about what the high was like, comeing down, and any side effects... i'm particuarlily interested in the side effects and what happens when you come down...

also any other recommendations for useage would be appreciated.

spectre

They can kill you or seriously fuck you up (and not in a good way). I recommend that you stay away from them.

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queer

hi, thanks for the reply...

i know that a lot of people share the same opinion that you do, and i used to as well, however, this is something that i want to do as an experiment, not to get on to for the rest of my life... i know that this is how addiction starts and that many people will not agree with what i am doing, this will not stop me.

i posted on this board to get as much information as possible on the subject before i do it, so that my experience can be safe and hopefully enjoyable.

paddyjoe

OK, as an experiment. So you try a little of this, and then a little of that, and oh yeah, maybe some of that stuff over there. Then you realize, gee, I kinda liked that one, maybe just a wee bit more. Before you know it, guess what? You seem to need more and more to get you off and then even more to get you through the day. Yeah, yeah, I know, that won't happen to me, but you know what? It so easily can. Please take spectre's advice, and my advice, and don't start. Think about it alright.

MacGnG

IF you chose to do any drugs, which is completely your decission, please at least be an informed drug user!!!!

essentially you're wasting your money (u use what u buy, like food) so buy better stuff (just cause it costs more doesnt mean it is). just be informed AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISSION! check out the link too

check out www.erowid.org it's very informative about anything u need.

rockzilla

Well, everybody on the board can tell you "don't do this, don't do that", and it is good advice, but it won't stop you. If you're gonna do anything, first of all DON'T TRIP ALONE, you'll need someone who can show you what a normal dose of whatever you're doing is, and I'd recommend cutting that in half for a first timer. They can also help keep your mind focused if things start to go wrong.

As far as the drugs you've mentioned, I'd start with shrooms, since they're the least harmful. They taste nasty, so stuff no more than one gram in a peanut butter sandwich, and just eat it. You can also grind them up and brew tea, but you'll need honey or something sweet to cover up the godawful taste.
Within 20 mins - 1/2 hour, you'll start feeling the effects, they vary from person to person, but you'll probably get giggly, you might hallucinate, if you're nervous, it might turn into paranoia, which is why you should have friends around and be someplace safe. Expect to be under the influence for at least 5 or 6 hours, it might feel like less, or more, but the key to enjoying yourself is to keep relaxed, take a few deep breaths if you need to, get some fresh air.

Now, Ketamine, being a depressant is completely different, you shouldn't do more than 0.1g (about 1/4 to 1/5 of a vial), it can be snorted or smoked in a joint, smoking it is tricky though. Be prepared not to move for awhile. Things'll slow down, you'll probably lose the ability to speak coherently and your co-ordination and reflexes will go out the window. Doing too much will put you in what's called a K-hole, the best description I can think of is just that, like you're trapped in an infinitely deep hole, it's not that fun, try to avoid that.
I don't have too much experience with coke or speed, but the same general rules apply, be someplace safe among friends, don't do too much, drink water, and try to keep your mind in check.

I hope this didn't come across as an advertisement for drug abuse, but if you're gonna do 'em anyways, at least you'll know what to expect.

Balaniki

Somehow the above does not bring to mind "safe" and "enjoyable".

Good luck in your search. My only advice - have someone take away your keys so you can't go driving and possibly kill someone. Other than yourself.

SauroN

Just want you to know that an x-friend of mine thought she'd do the same thing, she started with alcohol, then weed. She's now a hardcore heroin user and i think she's used coke a couple times at the age of 15 and has almost committed suicide (probably multiple times but im unsure), she also has a rap sheet and has been expelled from 3 schools. It's unfortunate that it happened and that's all that i can show, that someone else trying to do the same thing happened to.

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queer

thanks rockzilla, your post was pretty imformative. i will of course be with people i know and trust, and i don't drive anyway. i am generally a cautious person and will take every measure possible to make this a safe event.

the purpose of this post was so i can be an informed user, thankyou, MacGnG. i really appreciate all the input, even the negatives because it enables me to have a little perspective on the topic...

thanks again people

butthead

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dimbulb

Don't do it. It's as simple as that. It's been said before, but it can't hurt to say it again.

There are good reasons why these drugs are controlled/banned. Ketamine, I believe, is a animal anaesthetic.

All of these addictive drugs take away FREE WILL. both physical and psychologial addiction can and probably will take place.

What are your reasons for trying these drugs? Why do you feel a need to experiment with these drugs? Go check out a few microbrews or fine wines ( they'll probably cost the same... or less...... mmmm... .. wines..... ) Yes, i digress, what are your reasons for wanting to take such a risk?

Cynthetiq

to each his own.... i was a good student and contributing memeber to the community. I've held very good jobs and done plenty of drugs in my day.

I get paid for MENTAL capacity and ability. So long as I could be ON at 9am and OFF at 7PM it was great... but as I got older it got harder to recover.

I'm going to say do what you want but don't do it alone in case there are some medical problems.... especially the virgin time.

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Sparhawk

Great job for being 8 months clean. Now why do you want to mess that up?

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Double D

I can understand the desire to experiment. I tried speed, coke, acid (LSD) and the yucky-tasting' shrooms. And I disagree that substituting alcohol is a better alternative to _ anything_.

My opinion of speed is that I felt a not-terribly-pleasant super- adrenaline rush and felt totally burnt-out afterwards. Coke was very alluring, but again, felt fried after. I agree, if you are going to do anything, do the 'shrooms first. The 'shrooms were trippy, like acid, but a more mellow trip, hard to put into words- they weren't as *hard* as acid.

IMO, if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't bother with any pharmaceuticals. They felt too medicinal.

And tho' you didn't ask, the easiest drugs to abuse are tobacco & alcohol - legal & easy to get. I'm not gonna argue with folks on this, but tobacco is the hardest drug to kick. It's highly hypocritical to have booze & tobacco legal, when 'shrooms, of which I've seen no evidence of addictive qualities, are illegal- but that's another thread.

FallenAvatar

Don't do them. If you need something to change the way you look at life do it by thinking, not taking something. Learn, enlighten your mind. Addiction runs in my family and I've watch my family drag themselves down the tubes because of their addictions. It can happen to anyone, and all it really takes is that first step. No one here can stop you from using drugs, but we can warn you that you can seriously fuck yourself with them. If you try drugs and you like them you do them more, that's addiction, you'll think you can stop anytime you want.. but you won't be able to. Good luck, hope you make the right decission.

saladami82

Shrooms.. good.. the rest of your list is bad for your "safe/educated" experimentation plan though. I've tried a few supposedly "safe" drugs (lsd/shroom/x/dxm). I get fairly paranoid on just about anything.

Why omit x from your list? You'd be more likely to die randomly from coke or speed. Not sure if there is any truth to the K horror stories I've heard but by all accounts it is generally not pleasant.

Everyone has different tastes. I didn't particularly enjoy x or dxm (cough syrup, similar to K). My recommendation, is LSD and/or shrooms. I'll just group these since I found them similar. I wouldn't try this unless under competent supervision, a sitter, or at least w/ someone who is more experienced tripping with you at the same time. Some people believe that consuming mass vitamin C will intensify the visual experience, plan ahead if you want to give it a shot. You want to be with someone you trust in familiar surroundings, and you don't want to have to deal with any kind of authority figure 1 on 1. You don't want to get paranoid and have your mom find you and end up in the hospital getting your stomach pumped. After you take it, relax and listen to some music. Wait for it to kick in, let it work for a few hours and smoke some weed after it peaks, it really kicks in the visuals. NOTE: don't mix any hallucinogen with alcohol or excessive caffeine (i.e. pills). Get something to drink (like a soda or juice) or some hard candy. Wouldn't eat anything (noodles will squirm, etc.) Go for a nice walk somewhere outside for part of the experience (leaving anything illegal behind) and avoid fast moving cars (sometimes people try to jump in front of cars for no reason, I saved Redirect's life!). Except to be bitchy as hell the next day, especially if it was your first time.

A good source for more reliable information would be the lycaeum (http://www.lycaeum.org/) you can find out about side effects, dosages, myths, long term effects and most importantly read about positive and negative experiences others have had. At least you'd be filtering out all the "drugs are bad, don't do drugs mmmmmkay" posts.


-saladami

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Oh, and hope you don't end up like a couple of friends of mine.

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clues_blues

i would never recommend doing drugs to anyone. that being said:

i agree with the people who said become informed. that is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. keep your doses low until you understand what you can tolerate.

the links mentioned above are good and i beleive they both have sections that describe the typical effects and people's personal experiences.

i won't chastise you for wanting to experiment, but certainly be careful. i would tend to agree that most drugs are illegal because many people cannot handle their effects.

be honest with yourself about YOUR limits.

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xavier

all kinds are alot of fun but coc is the best in my opinion, it makes your body go numb and feels so awesome, just be careful very addicting. Shrooms are pretty good as well, i didn't much visuals but things were wavy and a great body buzz. In my opinion speed is the worst of drugs, seen to many people throw their life away on that. It creeps up on you and sometime you are in to the drug to much and can't get away from it. Extasy is alot of fun to take one, but can be dangerous takes the serotonin from brain. Need to recooperate before taking another to build serotonin back up. I have heard alot of people taking to much and losing their sense of reality and have ended up hurting thems. As long as you know what is real and whats not you should be fine. Be careful and don't take too much. Have fun

rogue49

es no bueno. (it's no good)

* remember, what goes up must come down (sometimes hard)
* they are a crutch, not a cure
* why would you want to waste the money?
* there is always that good chance you could fuck yourself up or die

after that, I'm not going to preach...just a few realistic notes.
your body, your mind, your time.

Talo

I have had extensive experiences with most drugs except heroin.

I can't really think of too much to tell you right now, but if you have a speicific question or was wondering what anything was like just shoot me a PM.

My only recommendation is don't do coke. For me coke is just expensive and doesn't really provide much of the rush I was looking for for the money, but its highly addictive.

queer

wow, didn't expect so many replies. a lot of really good points here.

so, why do i want to do this, dimbulb? i am curious, thats about it. life is pretty drab at the moment, i know this is no reason nor is it an escape, i am not doing this to find a new hobby just to experiment.

and thanks for all the posts again, after reading them i think i will give them a miss except perhaps a small dose of shrooms, i have always been interested in them. i appreciate the tips.

thanks

rockzilla

It's good that you've decided to keep away from the powders. I've rarely had any problems with shrooms, the worst thing that happened was I felt kinda sick. Just don't plan on doing anything important the next morning.

Psycho Dad

I've been out of school a long time now. I can tell you, there is a big difference in the lives of the people who left that shit behind and the ones who kept at it. It wouldn't be worth getting mixed up in IMHO.

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dimbulb

well, i've had those points in my life when nothing is looking up. Good to hear that you're trying to enrich your life. How about a good dose of adrenaline. Good and cheap. and probably cheaper in the long run than drugs or alcohol.

whatever floats your boat. For me, adrenaline is my drug. Snowboarding, rollercoasters, driving(when my SO isnt in the car with me.... ), First Person Shooters.

Experimentation is fun... but not when you know the dangers. ( yes.. i'm naggy... ) kinda like touching the stove when you were a kid, even though you knew it was HOT!!!. except of course touching the stove isnt addictive......


okay. I think i've about covered it all. you sound like a sensible person to me, and ITS YOUR LIFE.

146519

Peyote and Shrooms are the only drugs worth doing. Natural and used medicinally for generations

YourNeverThere

This is a very very good site, with hunderds of trip reports and and links. Be informed is the only way that you will enjoy most drugs. With shrooms you have to be in the right mindset, you have to be in the right place mentally, or it will desend into paranioa and even panic. But if you are relaxed and aware of the effects of the drugs beforehand and have people there to tell you the things you need to hear, like the fact that you have taken a drug. Erowid, go there

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thenewguy

I have to put in my $0.02 here. I tried the experiment you mention, as an experiment, when I 13.

When I was almost 15, I won an all-expense paid 28-day trip to an adolescent drug treatment center.

On the 8th of June (at almost 34) I celebrated 11 years clean. That's nothing - liquid, powdered, injected or stuck up your butt (yep, I did that). So my run didn't necessarily last very long, but it was a long run.

The only thing I'll say about your experiment is that, if you're an addict, you won't be able to stop. If you're not, you can have many interesting/dangerous/exciting/almost deadly experiences. For quite a while in my life using drugs was fun. Then it wasn't.

Know that if you get in trouble you can ask for the same kind of help or advice you've asked for here. Just remember to listen. It's so much easier if you listen...

snowace56

you need to be careful with what you are doing. I know someone who smoked himself stupid. Think about it, is it really worth it in the end? You could be jepardizing your future.

MacGnG

soemthing that is important for us to help you with is, What do you want to get of doing this "experiment?" i mean if u just wanna try cool drugs that a lot different than some real reason.

the only reason i ever did all the drugs i've done so far and will continue to use is because, they were there and i wanted to try them.

if u have some real reason to try different drugs there are MUCH better drugs to try than those! "speed, ketamine, shrooms, and coke" i have done all of these, most of them are only semi "cool" unless u smoke with them and then they become coller but not by much cept for like shrooms and if yoou smoke K and coke. but speed doesnt get me goin,(no pun intended but thats all it did for me, same as coke, it was intresting but not enough to waste my money and brain cells).

now if you ae doing this "experiement" to "GET FUCK THE HELL UP!" then there are alot better drugs than those. smoke a big fat blunt with good weed in it to your head and you will be fucked up for a while. (at times thats all u really need/want/can handle).

if you just want to try many different drugs , than i understand, thats all you want to do,and that's the thing to do if you are going to do drugs anyway, but that is much different than what i got from this experiment thing.

all i can suggest at this point is to figure out what u want from this and tell us so we can help u figure out what to do.

and hey if you've only smoke shit weed b4 smokeing good weed might be all you were realy looking for and than it's no big deal to worry bout other drugs

Spektr

Granted no one here can tell you what to do, but I'm going to tell you straight from experience. I've done ecstacy, shrooms, and weed. If you're going to do drugs at ALL, smoke a little weed (not a lot. a LITTLE). Ecstacy made me the happiest I've ever been, which scared me into never doing it again. Anything that good and that artificial is bound be trouble. Shrooms are scary and you HAVE to be in a good mood and around good people who will take care of you to avoid a bad trip. I DJ, so I've been around people on everything from PCP to cocaine to ketamine. Ketamine is one of the worst drugs I've ever seen. You do not want to fuck with it. Cocaine is even worse. PCP...don't get me started. I hope this helped a little bit. But seriously bro, all you need is a little alcohol and maybe a little weed. Use responsibly and in moderation.

punx1325

The furthest I ever went was weed, and it just didn't float well with me. If your looking for a good time...you don't need drugs to do it. If anything don't go past weed. I've seen people ruin their lives over drugs...don't risk it.

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clockworkgreen

Good luck in whatever you find. I agree. Just stay off the roads and do what you want. Nobody here is really going to stop you from that.

queer

ok, MacGnG, i really only want to try shrooms now and the reason for that is i am really interested in hallucinating, i know that i have to be in a safe environment and around good friends, i will make sure that this happens, and also that i am in the right frame of mind. the last thing i want is to start getting paranoid or to go into a bad trip that i can't get out of.

so anyway, thanks again people, i don't think i will be doing shrooms anytime soon, but when i do i will be doing it the right way.

Gangsta

queer, what do you want to do after HS/college? what career?

Frowning Budah

I never tried anything, so take my advice for what it is worth, but there are a lot of intelligent people here telling you to stay away that it is dangerous. Think about it.

asdf1001

I've tried it ... didn't get hooked, but I understand more people do get hooked than don't ...


my advice ... when there's a chance of making a mistake: ask yourself would I rather look back and wish I HAD tried it or NOT TRIED it???

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MacGnG

i did shrooms a couple times... hallucinations?? what hallucinations? it was still cool, like if u really wanna see shit thats not there, u gotta get into some deep chemicals, Tryptamines and things like that.

shrooms are still cool ,and if you get really good shrooms you could see some cool shit but for me i didnt see much but things jiggle around, like walls and the floor. fun but coulda been better, same as acid, in my opinion.

MikeyChalupa

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gariig

Weed is all I ever did. However, you really need to think 3 years down the road. A friend of mine in college was going to get an internship with the local sheriff's office doing IT work. He was allhired and background check was clean, only problem is you had to be clean for 3 years and he smoked weed 2.5 years ago. So he has to wait another four months to get a job, he could have been earning a better paycheck and gaining experience except a few years back he thought it would be cool to do weed with some friends. Just a thought.

I will however, reiterate what others have said. Do it reponsibly, and have someone be there with you who is experienced.

Good luck.

Gariig