my wow goal is to have at least 1 lvl 70. I am an alt whore, and I just cant seem to give it enough time to lvl to 70. I have a lvl 60 and I have had this guy since WoW came out.

/shrug

I hear ya, blktour. I have finally managed to get my blood elf warlock up to 67. She kicks a lot of ass.

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grats on 68.

I just started playing about 3 weeks ago. Got my Paladin currently to lvl 28. Seems to me that between 25 and 30 most quests are either too dang easy, or too hard. Kinda like that feeling when you are 19 and 20 years old, you are considered an adult, but still not QUITE old enough to drink. So Hi everyone! and good gaming!

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if you're kinda stuck like that is usually means you need to find a new quest hub/zone. for 29-31, i reccomend the shimmering flats race track in thousand needles.... a pain to get to if you're alliance, but blazing fast ez quests and levelling to be had.

Almost, ALMOST put the discs in the harddrive to reinstall the game this evening. Had to stop myself because I knew where it would end. I miss it and despise it in equal measure. Odd I know........

The thing about WoW is... it only gets hard when you start raiding. Even then, it's mostly about how well your group is coordinated. From there, being good is less about actual skill and more about how much you research the mechanics of your class and the mechanics of a particular encounter. Real talent really only gets a chance to show through in PvP and hectic raid battles, and EVEN THEN its largely dependent on the gear you have.

If you're waiting for it to get hard, it wont. WoW is a game of positive reinforcement and time expenditure.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

It really did improve my time management skills..

You know.. 8 hours of school, 4 hours of work, 8 hours of WoW! 3 hours of sleep! 1 hour misc. =D

Makes me pine for the pre-raid days. The potential of WoW to be a skill game was there, they just took it in another direction.

What game really requires skill? The way people use 'skill' confuses me. Though I basically agree that there isn't much skill involved in WoW. To you, what's a (video) game that is pure skill?

Marble Madness

I hit 70! I'm on my way to get my flying mount now.

woohoo, go get your epic flying mount too.

noob. :-P

Unreal Tournament Instagib. One shot, one kill. Level playing field whether you've been on a killing spree or just respawned. It's all about dodging to avoid your opponents aim while having him falling into your crosshairs at the same time. That game definitely separated the skilled from the scrubs.

Any good FPS. COD4 which is my latest one requires skill, a good deal of it. WoW was actually like that in the 'green days' back before raiding gave such huge advantages, not quite as much as an fps, but by knowing your class and being prepared you could win a lot of fights you shouldn't have won on paper.

I don't know how twitch reactions (and spray and pray like you put it) make a game any more skillful.

Well, after buying my flying mount, I'm down to 2k gold. Got some primals to farm.

I'm also hoping to get to lvl 70 one day...however, by the time I do that, I'm sure the next expansion will be out.

FPS's are not all twitch reactions, in fact thats only half of what makes a good player.

Knowing the maps, knowing how to use the maps, and knowing how people will react will do it are just as important.

My favorite personal example of this was back in my CS days (before the hacks). I was one of those players that would make any team I was on, but I ran into someone with better twitch skills than I had. Face to face, head one, odds are I'd lose. So after a match or two, I adapted, and learned his style. I anticipated where he would be and killed him 4 or 5 times, before he finally quit the server. I was always moving so he couldn't anticipate where I would be, and he never changed his patterns.

But even without using your brain, twitch reactions are in fact a skill, or does that mean sports like being a hockey goalie or a batter in baseball have no skills?

That being said, raiding in WoW requires knowledge of the maps and how to use the maps and knowledge of the boss, plus the fact of needing twitch reactions in case something goes wrogn. Saying that one video game is more skillful than another is just not right, imo. They may take a bit of different skill (and teamwork), but it still takes skill. That was my point.

WoW is a game of skill like bowling is about exercise.

This does not mean it isn't addictive and fun as hell, but you cannot dodge a fireball once it has been cast, nor can you effectively gain six pack abs by throwing a 10 pound ball once every 7 minutes.

I can say pvp is more then just luck, otherwise I would have more competition in 2300+ in 5s for arena.

There is skill in WoW, but its design is such that equipment is more important than skill. All things being equal skill wins, but things in a game like WoW are rarely equal.

There is skill in raiding as well, but its more the raid leaders being able to herd cats.

I used to really enjoy in WoW playing my druid when things went bad since I could 'save the day' by taking over for the tank or the healer or whatnot, and my skill is what mattered there, but I couldn't devote days of my life chasing purple bits while being bored out of my mind.

To me, the skill is outperforming my opponent, and since mobs are dumb its PVP oriented. There is greater skill there, in my opinion as almost all PVPers are good at PvE but most PvErs are not good at PvP. They dont' do well with the random variable of human vrs human.

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See, everyone says that, but I recently respecc'ed my priest to Shadow and I have horrible gear and I out dps people in my guild that are in T5. I guess it could be that they just suck but I doubt it because we have been progressing really well. I know that gear plays a big part, but skill can make up for poor gear.

Similarly, I just hit 70 last weekend and have terrible gear compared to other 70s...yet in BGs I still place in the top five on damage. I die a little more often than those with better gear, but I can still kick ass.

I should be getting my first purple tomorrow, though. :D

They either suck or are just slacking. When my RL friend's guild had MC on farm way back when he would literally AF someone in the raid, alt tab and watch porn or do something else. This game is all about gear > talents > skill. 2v2/3v3 arena is all about the class combos, 5v5 is the only arena that takes skill. I agree that skill can make up for gear, but majority of the time gear trumps everything else.

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My personal best for WSG. LVL 39 twink hunter. Sykes

I hate Hunters (and Warlocks) so so much on my 70 Priest. What spec is your twink, BM or MM?

MM/Survival.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...Hollow&n=Sykes

Do you actually go for the objective of wsg or do you just stand in the middle and farm kills? :p

To me, there's seems to be two parts to skill; knowledge based, and reflex based. If knowing a FPS map is skill then so is knowing the proper talent spec, knowing what equipment to use, knowing the dungeon and boss layout, and knowing how other classes work in pvp.

I don't like it anymore than you (I hate equipment grind fests) but it seems to me people just use "skill" as a rant for people who have more time to play than them.

Skill isn't the most important variable in PVP that's why I don't really enjoy it. Gear, Group, then skill is what determines the outcome in Sub-2000 rated teams. You do see skill at higher ratings when groups are well planned and gear is maxed. Casual PVP is much harder than Casual PVE. Casual PVEers aren't thrown into impossible to win matches, A PVEer dosn't get tossed into an Illidan encounter his first day after hitting 70, yet my first arena team's match was vs a Disp Priest and SLSL Lock. Priest had 11k health, Lock had 13k health, Both have 460+ resilience. There was no way My hunter/rogue team could beat them yet went up against them 4 times that night.

That's part of my point. That gear is a skill equivalent. To get it they had to have "skill" of the dungeons, bosses, teamwork and time investment. Even though I don't like it for games, time investment is part of getting skilled at anything.

As far as your other complaint, that's just bad organization on Blizzard's part. They shouldn't be facing the equivalent of a pro team with an ameteur team.

Back when I played my priest had 14,000 health with fortitude as disc. Like 300 resilience. I played with a warlock one day because I was bored. We won 10 matches in a row and went up 200 points in an hour. We never even came close to dying. It was retardedly easy. DoT, deathcoil, watch in glee as no healer can even keep up with the DoTs, much less the other shit that warlocks do to screw up casters. It felt quite literally like cheating.

To be honest with parallel gear, you would be hard pressed to beat them. Your only chance would be if you could burn down that priest asap.



I have toyed and played with most classes, and playing a lock for pvp is one of the harder ones (to play perfectly). I can not count the number of locks who do not know how to play their class right. It is easy to say dot, deathcoil, fear, but you really have to play your class right.

As far as gear in pvp that is definitely important. If you are starting at scratch, and have no gear, you need about 234k honor to get all of season 1 and vindicator gear (including season 2 ring). And that is not counting the new arena gear.

What most people do not realize is that you have to really not know only your class but all other classes, in order to be a top pvp'er. And the real challenge is not pre-2k arena rating but when you are pushing to remain as the #1 team. My 5's team is tied for 14/15th spot when compared to all servers, (#1 on mine, and Cenarius is one of the more competitive pvp servers outside of eu ones), and each game you know you have to be perfect and that you are playing a kickass team geared as well as you.

As a former Grand Marshal i'd have to agree that you absolutely do have to know not only what you can do as your class and with your own skill but what other classes can and can not to. Is that skill? I dunno.. It is something that you have to learn and practice for and i wold guess that would put it in the skill section.
PVP does take skill, you have to know what to do and when to do it or you'll get rocked every time. As a mage (like i play) you have to know when that blink should be used or saved or when that escape artist should be used.. should i sheep this guy or that.. will the cast time on a fireball fuck me over in this situation where they can counterspell or silence me or should i use arcane missiles. This is all stuff that involves accumulated knowledge and therefore skill.

Played my first 5v5 arenas tonight. 2-1! Not bad at all for my first try, I'd say. I was quite pleased. Hopefully next week is just as successful!

But if you see your opponent in blues, you rely on your gear to get you through and you just nuke.