metalgeek

Supposidly there is some new damning information that has come out of the Gomery trial, enough that some people are saying that it'll make the minority government fall.
Some blog links CTV

But there is currently a publication ban on in the trial, so we'll have to wait and see.
Some people seem to think it's a link between organized crime and the sponsership scandal, I personally think it's probably more so just documents showing top people in the party knew what was going on, in explicit detail.

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OFKU0

I can't wait to hear the damning testimony. But whatever it is, I'm sure it's the tip of the iceberg and the rest of the iceberg will remain submerged.

If this prompts an election,I'm not sure that's a good thing. I just don't know anymore.

I think the Liberals are all a bunch of lying scumbags. Even worse is the infantile pandering to Quebec so as not to offend. And then,..fuck the rest of Canada seems to be the mantra.

Then we have the Conservatives. Where to start. I have favored Conservative ideals but now see them as borderline radicals. I think the whole religious/ anti-gay thing just reminds me to much of Bush. "You're with us or against" type nonsense that breeds sheep, not a vision.

And the rest, to mundane to ponder.

It's interesting though listening to the pundits. The sponsorship mess was somehow brainstormed to let Quebec see that the rest of Canada loves them unconditionally in all their distinctness, yet now Quebecers now feel insulted and seperatist rumblings are gaining strength. I think Jane Taber quiped something like, 'Well if Quebec gets to much support from Canada it feels it loses its identity but to little support and they feel abandoned and wrong done by.' Kinda like can't win for trying.

Anyways one day maybe some politicians will realize that Canadians are equal in their differing ways or that each province is equally distinct from the rest. Probably won't happen though.

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metalgeek

I think that is a common thread in Canadian federal politics, the devil you know, the lesser of the two evils, etc. Is there any real way to break the cycle? is there any country who doesn't have this issue (mmm maybe N.K. has the right idea
I personally think the conservitives would have been smarter to put Brenda Stronach as the leader rather than Harper, as much as I like him.
I wonder though? is this whole sponship thing any worse than what goes on in the states with pork barrel projects? I this going to be a new thing for Canada?

Edit:
more info supposidly, the corruption has been going on for a while

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OFKU0

This is the site listed on CTV news last night outlining the damning testimony which allegedly has the Liberal Party knee deep in fraud and corruption accusations.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/

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Bob Biter

How about this OFKU0: Let Canada vote whether or not to kick Quebec out of the country. It won't be initiated by Quebecers, so if Quebec ends up staying part of Canada, then no province would have any reason to bitch again about how much money is being sent there.

The current scandal is obviously proof of the corruption of the Liberal government, and Quebec DOES receive great sums of money for "cultural development / preservation", but I hope you refer to Quebec's administration and not its people when you say we're a bunch of cry babies. Ti-Guy Tremblay working the fields in the Saguenay region doesn't give a shit about how much money his province is getting to "protect French". He always spoke it and always will. On the other hand, people who want to be competitive and culturally aware choose to learn English (and as many other languages as possible), while knowing that their choice doesn't devalue their identity.

Personally, I believe the seperatist movement is dead. If it didn't happen in the early 80's, when indignation was somewhat justified, then it's NEVER going to happen. If we had another referendum, my vote would be to stay in Canada. Can you believe that? A francophone wants to STAY in Canada! Wow! That's right, there's more of us than you think. Want proof? Quebec is still with Canada.

IMO, the sole useful purpose of the Bloc is to act as a bulwark against the Liberals and Conservatives (I don't count the NDP). If it wasn't there, then it would either be the rampant backstage antics of the Liberals or the unrestrained right-wing agenda of the Conservatives. Take your pick.

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Bob Biter

Furthermore, based on what I've read so far, a lot of the money supposedly spent on marketing went back to the Liberals, with no work done to maintain `infantile pandering to Quebec` as you put it. Therefore, the Libs could just be using Quebec-based marketing firms (and their supposed desire to keep Quebecers happy) to make some money dissapear (re: laundering).

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OFKU0

If it weren't for the Bloc, the money train would have ceased years ago. And if you think the Bloc's sole purpose is to defend against the equally corrupted founding party's of this country, think again.

I love Quebecers as a people. I've spent alot of time there and continue too. Honestly some of the best times of my life. I can see Quebec from my dining room window as a matter of fact. It's not the people I have a problem with. It's the politicians who have made blackmailing the rest of Canada an art and somehow acceptable regarding the so-called distinctness of Quebec.

But if the seperatist movement is dead, why is there still the Bloc party and why is it gaining strength? Wouldn't be for the cash would it?

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Bob Biter

Thanks for the clarification. I just wasn't sure of your meaning before.

I agree with the second part of this statement. Perhaps the whole Bloc party is just guys riding on a sweet deal, watching the money roll in, while barely making token efforts to maintain an idea that died around 25 years ago. Many Quebecers' knee-jerk reaction is to vote for the Bloc, because of the mentality that was spread during that time. A most unfortunate situation.

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