BadNick

Nope, neither of those...it is a park of sorts, though.

And as another hot/cold clue, I'm about half way between Merchants Mill Pond State Park and Virginia Beach.

Tully Mars

Dismal Swamp?

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BadNick

OK, Tully!!! Yes, I'm in Great Dismal Swamp National Wildlife Refuge.




There is some interesting history about this place:

Human occupation of the Great Dismal Swamp began nearly 13,000 years ago. By 1650, few native Americans remained in the area, and European settlers showed little interest in the swamp. In 1665, William Drummond, a governor of North Carolina, discovered the lake which now bears his name. William Byrd II led a surveying party into the swamp to draw a dividing line between Virginia and North Carolina in 1728. George Washington first visited the swamp in 1763 and organized the Dismal Swamp Land Company that was involved in draining and logging portions of the swamp. A five-mile ditch on the west side of the refuge still bears his name. Logging of the swamp proved to be a successful commercial activity, with regular logging operations continuing as late as 1976. The entire swamp has been logged at least once, and many areas have been burned by periodic wildfires.

The Great Dismal Swamp has been drastically altered by humans over the past two centuries. Agricultural, commercial, and residential development destroyed much of the swamp, so that the remaining portion within and around the refuge represents less than half of the original size of the swamp. Before the refuge was established, over 140 miles of roads were constructed to provide access to the timber. These roads severely disrupted the swamp's natural hydrology, as the ditches which were dug to provide soil for the road beds drained water from the swamp. The roads also blocked the flow of water across the swamp's surface, flooding some areas of the swamp with stagnant water. The logging operations removed natural stands of cypress and Atlantic white-cedar that were replaced by other forest types, particularly red maple. A drier swamp and the suppression of wildfires, which once cleared the land for seed germination, created environmental conditions that were less favorable to the survival of cypress and cedar stands. As a result, plant and animal diversity decreased.

The swamp is also an integral part of the cultural history of the region and remains a place of refuge for wildlife and people. The dense forests of the Great Dismal Swamp provided refuge to runaway slaves, resulting in the refuge becoming the first National Wildlife Refuge to be officially designated as a link in the “Underground Railroad Network to Freedom” in 2003.

Establishment of the refuge began in 1973 when the Union Camp Corporation donated 49,100 acres of land to The Nature Conservancy. This land was then conveyed to the Department of the Interior, and the refuge was officially established through The Dismal Swamp Act of 1974.

Tully Mars

Do I get the Hunter?

OK, go!

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BadNick

Those are nice little boats, aren't they? My buddy in Maine has one...I should have one, too...I'll tell my wife.

EH?

Tully Mars

Hunter's on my short list. I WILL own a S/V within a year.

EH, yes.

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BadNick

SH?

uncle phil

city?

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Tully Mars

SH- yes
City- yes

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uncle phil

capetown, sa?

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BadNick

on an island?

Tully Mars

Capetown? No

City on an island? Yes

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BadNick

Madagascar?

Tully Mars

No

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uncle phil

hobart, ts?

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Tully Mars

No, but we're getting closer.

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BadNick

Port Blair on Andaman and Nicobar Islands?

girldetective

Can a girl jump aboard? If so, Im guessing Jakarta.

If not, Im still guessing Jakarta.

Edit: Unka jumped in before me. Its obviously not Jakarta.

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BadNick

hi girldetecitve.

I think Jakarta is a legit guess ...I don't see that was mentioned yet.


But since I jumped the gun on TS, I'll guess Wellington, NZ

Tully Mars

No
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You most certainly can and you're even in the right country, but wrong city.

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girldetective

Kuala Lumpur?

PS: Thanks for letting me join in the fun. Give me a couple of weeks to get a wall map and Ill keep track and jump aboard more often.

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Tully Mars

All are welcome here, esp HOT lady detectives. You can use google maps. I think that's what most of us do.

But...

Kuala Lumpur is in Malaysia (per my google), I'm in Indonesia.

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BadNick

How about Manado, Indonesia?

gd,
I use google maps, too. Though I'm finding in this game what I do sometimes is google search for a map, e.g. "map of indonesia" and when the hit page opens I hit the "image" button at the top and then look for a map I like the looks of. Sometimes it's better than a google map, sometimes it's not.

girldetective

Samarinda?

PS: Thanks for the Google map tips, and I do use them, but for this game I kind of like the idea of a wall map with pins showing where weve been. Of course, I wont always use it or I would be weeks behind, but still...

Sure, go ahead and make the new girl look stupid, she deserves it.

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BadNick

hahahaaa....if you go back and look at some of the stupid...but fun...things we've said, you'll see that you fit right in.

If you really do that pin in the map thing, you could be our designated travel historian...and eventually, like maybe after a few hundred more places, it would be cool to see a pic of your map.

Tully Mars

GD you have no idea how many completely stupid posts I've made here. Go ahead take Nick's advice and scroll back and you'll see, at times, we've all got turned around ended up in the wrong country, sometimes even the wrong side of the equator. We've all done it, but I think I'm safe in saying I personally hold that record.

Trust me when I say I was in no way trying to make you look stupid. Just wanted make sure you, as well as everyone else, knew we decided i was in Indonesia.

As for Samarinda, no. But the city I'm in does start with an "S."
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No, wrong island in Indonesia... Jawa Timur.

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uncle phil

surakarta?

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- Robert S. McNamara
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"We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches...
We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles."
- Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message"
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never wrestle with a pig.
you both get dirty;
the pig likes it.

Tully Mars

You're smoking, but that's central Java. I'm in East Java or Jawa Timur.

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uncle phil

sumbawa?

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- Robert S. McNamara
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"We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches...
We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles."
- Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message"
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never wrestle with a pig.
you both get dirty;
the pig likes it.

Tully Mars

Never heard of the place, but it looks like that's an island. I'm definitely on the island of Java, eastern Java.

Edit:

Found a better map, looks like you need to go back west from Sumbawa.

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girldetective

Are you in Surabaya, Tully?

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Tully Mars

We have a winner!!!!!

Surabaya is either the second or third largest city in Indonesia depending on what source you reference. I was there in 1984. It's a gateway to Bali. Used to be people would fly into Surabaya and drive, ferry over to Bali. Several of us from my ship took a day trip to Bali. It was nice but we were shocked beers were .50 ea. ".50! Each!?! OMG!" But the beaches were nice, topless too. Which was a plus for a 21 yr old Navy guy. Almost made the beers worth the price, ok it did make the beer worth the price.

Here's the maps the ship gave us when we got there:





And no they didn't hand out the cash, I just kept money from each country I visited. Not sure what a 1000 note is worth in Indonesia but if I kept it I'm guessing not much.

You're up gorgeous.

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girldetective

My pockets are filled with cash and Im dangerous. I could be anywhere.

(as an aside to TM: mornin handsome)

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Tully Mars

Northern Hemisphere?

Or as UP likes to call it New Hampshire?

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girldetective

Yes, NH

(I think of it as New Haven, where Mary is.)

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BadNick

Oh cool, a new winner. Good work...errr, I mean good play gd. I have great trust in Tully's taste, so when you take a picture of your pins-in-the-map maybe you could be standing there in the pic pointing someplace cool and smiling

Are you in the Western Hemisphere?

girldetective

Yes, the first pin your designated travel historian will place on the map is in the Western Hemisphere.

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BadNick

Are you in Canada ...which we've also called Canadia here?

girldetective

I see no mounties.

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BadNick

How about the U.S. of A.?