Sashimi

[Jason762]

Originally Posted by Colker, Carlon M.

Eat red meat, and don’t worry about the downside as long as you keep to the other aspects of the diet. Eat plenty of cold water fish like sashimi (that’s just the fish, unlike sushi, which includes rice). If you start feeling like a seal after a while, don’t worry, you’ll be a big seal. Use olive oil and when you fry instead of animal fat or vegetable oil Finally, take supplemental fat if you need to.

Okay, I’m willing to eat raw fish if it turns me into a big seal. :-P

So where can I find and buy sushi/sashimi for a resonable price in the Bay Area.

I live close to Albany/El Cerrito if location is important to you.

Thanks!

[maleficent]

Eat plenty of cold water fish like sashimi

Sashimi isn't a type of fish... it's the style in which it's prepared... which is just the fish served raw on the plate, with some pickled ginger, soy sauce and wasabi. some of the best sashimi is tuna, yellowtail, and some like salmon.. i'm not a fan - then you can get more exotic like sweet shrimp, or sea urchin or giant clam- all of which are very good.

Sushi is the rolled fish, with vinegared rice and seaweed (nori) around it...

I'd find a decent sushi bar in your neighborhood and check it out..

sometimes it's tough to find good quality raw fish for the home user.

[Dilbert1234567]

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http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&hs=...local&ct=title

yes it will turn you into a seal, but whats wrong with that, i personaly love fried eel, (Unagi) but all sushi is good.

[Siege]

Word of advice. Don't just buy some fish from your local supermarket, hack it up and eat it as sashimi. I've never done it, but i've heard stories.

[Jason762]

Dilbert, thanks Ran a quick search. I'm trying to find sashimi I can buy and take home to eat, not a palce where I have to go to a restraunt and eat.

I found this though; http://www.ehow.com/how_3269_make-sashimi.html

It says,

All fish, including ocean fish, may contain parasites. Although the risk is small, people at greater risk - including older people, small children, and pregnant women - should be careful when eating raw fish. To kill the parasites, freeze the fish at -4 degrees F (-20 degrees C) for at least 24 hours. (This may be lower than your home freezer can get, so you will probably need to buy the fish pre-frozen; ask your fishmonger.) The fish can then be thawed and used as sushi or sashimi. (In fact, your local sushi bar should be using fish frozen this way.)

If only I can find a source of pre frozen flash freezed fish.

Sage, I heard about that. Get parasites in your head or something like that. Yeeps!

[Dilbert1234567]

I’d highly recommend you get some in a restaurant first so you know what it should taste and feel like, other then that, I get my fish for sushi at the local fish market, go to a reputable seller and ask for meat suitable for sushi, usually the belly meat. It needs to be very fresh, otherwise you get buddies in you intestines

Intestinal buddies!

[snowy]

Mmm, sashimi is delicious, but you definitely have to get it done right...or else. Go to a restaurant first, as everyone has recommended.

Tuna and salmon are your best bets.

[Ch'i]

That sounds incredibly healthy, I'm definately going to try it.

Not a big fan of the intestinal buddies...

This recipe reminds me of one I tried at the local sushi boat during my vacation last summer. You take raw pieces of meat/fish dip them into a bowl of boiling water briefly, then eat. The flash boil slightly cooks it, and removes any "buddies." I'll try and find its title. It was quite delicious.

[little_tippler]

Originally Posted by Siege

Word of advice. Don't just buy some fish from your local supermarket, hack it up and eat it as sashimi. I've never done it, but i've heard stories.

Stories? what stories? That's a funny thing to say! Where I live fish is very fresh and it's ok to do that if you know how to make sashimi. I'd love to hear those stories though!

[Charlatan]

You just need to go to a good and reputable fish monger and ask for Sashimi grade fish.

If they can give it to you they will tell you where you can get it.

[Leto]

Originally Posted by maleficent

... some of the best sashimi is tuna, yellowtail, and some like salmon.. i'm not a fan - then you can get more exotic like sweet shrimp, or sea urchin or giant clam- all of which are very good.

I find that my fav sashimi is salmon. it's texture, flavour..... I just know that I can survive in the wilds of British columbia, without fire, If I could just catch some salmon.....

(it's kind of ironic that this thread is in the Tilted Cooking forum...)

[Siege]

Originally Posted by little_tippler

Stories? what stories? That's a funny thing to say! Where I live fish is very fresh and it's ok to do that if you know how to make sashimi. I'd love to hear those stories though!

My friends told me about a small dinner party they went to where one of the guests brought home made sashimi. The fish was bought from a local supermarket then hacked up. I think the majority of the guests had some intestinal issues that night

[Jason762]

Dilbert, I've tried sashimi in the restaurants, but it was or my 19th birthday, so it was 3 years ago.

Onesnowyowl, I actually read that you should AVOID salmon because they come from freshwater. Apparently there was a story of a restaurants that had salmon and everyone got sick from it, and some dudes were able to trace it back to a lake in Alaska or something.

Charlatan, I'll be hitting up Google for a local fish monger.

Siege, yikes! Glad to hear they didn't get worse. Is it possible to come under serious illness? What do the intestinal bugs do anyway?

[maleficent]

Originally Posted by Jason762

Onesnowyowl, I actually read that you should AVOID salmon because they come from freshwater.

Some salmon, the pinker variety is farm raised, so I'd guess that it's safer than wild salmon- Wild salmon is usually a little grayer in color... (i'm not describing it well but if yousaw fresh and farm raised together, you'd see a distinct color difference inthe flesh) Wild salmon is also a lot more flavorful... Though as much as I love sashimi, I hate salmon raw.. it's too oily...

http://www.catalinaop.com/sushi.htm sells it frozen... and frozen is actully perfectly safe.. where i used to live.. my local sushi place always used the frozen stuff and it was tasty and if i hadn't seen them takea pack of tuna out of the freezer, i'm notsure i'd know..

[snowy]

Originally Posted by Jason762

Onesnowyowl, I actually read that you should AVOID salmon because they come from freshwater. Apparently there was a story of a restaurants that had salmon and everyone got sick from it, and some dudes were able to trace it back to a lake in Alaska or something.

Most salmon around here when caught are in saltwater (chinook, sockeye, coho) along the coasts and in the Puget Sound. Some are caught in freshwater (usually in Canada), but only after having lived most of their lives in saltwater. Salmon that are freshwater/landlocked are called kokanee but are in fact a sockeye salmon. Oh, and farmed salmon is all Atlantic salmon, which in my opinion is not at all appetizing compared to fresh-caught Pacific salmon (my favorite is sockeye).

The Japanese actually didn't eat salmon as sashimi until the introduction of modern refrigeration.

The biggest thing with sashimi is--the fresher it is, the better. San Francisco and Seattle are both excellent places to get sashimi as fresh as possible, and everywhere else you pretty much want to make sure they're making their sashimi from stuff that's been frozen (to kill off the ickies).

[Ch'i]

I like this thread because it gives me an excuse to say fishmonger.

[Charlatan]

Originally Posted by Jason762

I actually read that you should AVOID salmon because they come from freshwater. Apparently there was a story of a restaurants that had salmon and everyone got sick from it, and some dudes were able to trace it back to a lake in Alaska or something.

You fool! It was not the freshwater salmon... it was the SALMON MOUSSE!

[Leto]

hahahaha!!! Now that's the meaning of life!

I heard reports that farmed salmon is actually fairly toxic due to the food that is given to it, plus the confined and concentrated nature of the environment that they are in.

to the point, that one should eat more than a serving of farmed salmon per month... off to look up references on this...

[Jason762]

Originally Posted by Leto

hahahaha!!! Now that's the meaning of life!

I heard reports that farmed salmon is actually fairly toxic due to the food that is given to it, plus the confined and concentrated nature of the environment that they are in.

to the point, that one should eat more than a serving of farmed salmon per month... off to look up references on this...

Yikes, really? I eat about 5 servings of farmed atlantic salmon a week!

It fits well with my ketogenic diet. But than again they say the same thing about eating tuna and stuff because of mercury levels, but honestly, I don't really care...

[snowy]

Originally Posted by Leto

I heard reports that farmed salmon is actually fairly toxic due to the food that is given to it, plus the confined and concentrated nature of the environment that they are in.

Well, given that they are more or less swimming around in a much smaller environment than an open body of water, yes, it does lead to higher levels of toxicity. Also, eating farmed salmon does nothing for the population of any wild-caught fish--the fish are fed food made from wild-caught fish (cannibals!).

[Leto]

i found something on farmed salmon at:

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/gi/dyn...d-salmon.shtml

Excerpt:

Healthcastle.com recently received numerous questions regarding the safety of farmed salmon and PCBs. On one hand, the American Heart Association recommends eating fish/salmon and their products to prevent heart disease. On the other hand, recent media reported that some fish and farmed salmon contain toxic substances. We will discuss a few major reports and some background information about farmed salmon and PCBs so that you can make a sound decision....

....Farmed Salmon have always been under the gun
David Suzuki Foundation: In January 2001, BBC News produced a program "Warnings from the Wild, The Price of Salmon". The program cited a pilot study conducted by Dr Easton with David Suzuki Foundation. The study found that farmed salmon and the feed they were fed appeared to have a much higher level of contamination with respect to PCBs, organo-chlorine pesticides and polybrominated diphenyl ethers than did wild salmon. It concluded that it seems that contamination in farm fish comes from the feed.
EWG Report: In July 2003, the Environmental Working Group EWG released a report stating that farmed salmon purchased in the United States contain the highest level of PCBs in the food supply system. In the report, EWG reported that farmed salmon have 16 times PCBs found in wild salmon, 4 times the levels in beef, and 3.4 times the levels in other seafood. EWG recommends that consumers choose wild instead of farmed salmon, and they should eat an 8 oz serving of farmed salmon no more than once a month.
Science Journal: In January 2004, the journal Science warned that farmed salmon contain 10 times more toxins (PCBs, dioxin, etc.) than wild salmon. The study recommends that farmed salmon should be eaten once a month, perhaps every two months as they pose cancer risks to the human beings.
Why do Farmed Salmon contain more PCBs than Wild Salmon?
Fishmeal/Feed: Studies found that the fishmeal fed to farmed salmon is highly contaminated with PCBs
Farmed salmon are "fatter": Farmed salmon are generally bigger in size and contain more fat than wild salmon. PCBs are stored in fat and remain there for an extended period of time, therefore farmed salmon contain more PCBs.

[splck]

Sashimi is the best...yummm!
Try Chirashi at your local sushi joint sometime, it's good too.

Originally Posted by maleficent

Sushi is the rolled fish, with vinegared rice and seaweed (nori) around it...

Actually, that's a Maki you're describing. Nori are slices of fish on a ball of rice (what most people think as "sushi". Sushi means "with rice", not a particular way it's put together.

It's true that you should not eat raw fresh water fish (trout, bass, catfish), but Salmon is different. It's true that they're born in fresh water, but they live several years in salt water and only touch fresh water when they come home to spawn. Wild salmon sushi-sashimi is very popular around here and I've made it myself from fish I've cought for over 15 years with no troubles. I'm sure it's the farmed fish people that keep trumpeting the wild salmon isn't safe crap.
More people get sick from beef and chicken than fish.

Farmed fish (Atlantic Salmon AKA Toxic Slugs) are naturally grey/brown in colour. The farmer adds colour to the feed to make the flesh the right shade for his customer. Wild fish range from light pink (Chinook), to orange (coho), to deep red (Sockeye).

Here's a link on farmed fish

Can you tell I don't like the fish farming industry?

Wild fish don't do drugs!

[Jason762]

By the way Mal, I forgot to thank you for the link. Thanks!

Interesting links about the farmed fish... however I don't think I'll stop eating it. I think the positive health benifts outweigh the negatives.

[westothemax]

Originally Posted by splck

Nori are slices of fish on a ball of rice (what most people think as "sushi". Sushi means "with rice", not a particular way it's put together.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

Nori is a type of seaweed. I think you meant 'nigiri' as the style of sushi with a slice of fish on a ball of rice.


Jason762 - if you're willing to venture into San Francisco, you can definitely find sushi grade fish at one of the markets in Japantown (kind of a no brainer, sorry). Also, my local fish market sells sushi grade fish (and also happens to have a sushi bar) - Yum Yum Fish in the Sunset district of SF.

[splck]

Originally Posted by westothemax

Nori is a type of seaweed. I think you meant 'nigiri' as the style of sushi with a slice of fish on a ball of rice.

D'oh...of course. Nigiri is what I meant to type.

[ratbastid]

My favorite sashimi (and nigiri too, for that matter) is yellowtail tuna. I usually get a two-er of yellowtail nigiri, a two-er of salmon nigiri, and an order of spicy shrimp rolls. That and a couple big Sapporos, (and maybe an edamame appetizer) and I'm good for the night.