Jimellow

I thoroughly enjoyed Saw and am really impressed by how "complete" and well written it is. I've spent a lot of time trying to find gaps in the movie's plot, and for the most part, I've been unsuccessful; this is definitely a good thing, and I commend the writer for creating such a complex, but also complete story.

The one thing that sticks out for me, and that I am unable to "figure out," is how did the Saw killer get a picture of Zep (the orderly that held the mother and daughter hostage) looking out the window?

I know the discharged police officer ("crazy" and always monitoring the doctor's house), took video footage identical to the pitcure of Zep looking out through the curtains of the doctor's house, but how did the Saw killer get the picture he gave to Adam (the younger of the two chained men)?

The still photo is identical to that of the video footage the officer views with his camera, but I am unable to find a way that the Saw killer would capture an exact photo of Zep's head peeping out from the curtains.

Does anyone understand how the Saw killer obtained this photograph, and if you do, could you please explain it for me?

That is the one aspect of the movie that doesn't "fit" for me, and while it's very minor and seemingly insignifcant, the movie is so complete that it stands out regardless.

Furthermore, if there is nothing explaining how the Saw killer obtained the photograph, why was it included? Was it required so that the doctor would know who was holding his family hostage, and thus become outraged at Zep (the orderly that worked at his office)? I assume yes, but if there is no connection, I'm wondering why one wasn't made, because the rest of the movie is so complete and well thought out; every angle seemingly covered.

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Arroe

I think he took the picture before they ended up in the room. If I remember correctly wasn't the picture in a box they found?

Maybe that happened before they woke up? I saw it in theaters when it came out a few months ago so my memory is a little fuzzy.

xerraire1

I believe that the photo was taken at the same time. I mean Jigsaw was waiting at the house making sure everything went to plan (because Zeb was being blackmailed) and the cop was there too.

Zeb stuck his head out to make sure I guess that no one was outside or maybe to tell Jigsaw that he had succeeded. How often does a person see a intruder giving a mugshot accidentally? Probably the most evidence the cop had.

Anyway it might have been Adam who took that picture (on second thoughts) i mean he wasn't that scared when he saw it... probably not, I'm a little fuzzy on when they got the photo.

And Jigsaw gave the picture as a backup. Say the Doctor guy did kill Adam and then ran out, Zeb would be a scapegoat. This would give Jigsaw 1) freedom from pursuing police (e.g. if you think the person who is Jigsaw is dead or caught, why would you keep looking) 2) more publicity which is what most serial killers (or serial conspirators to murders) crave.

Or something like that.

Jimellow

Thanks for the replies..

I'm still puzzled by this one.

The part that intrigues me is the photo the police officer took getting into the hands of the serial killer (Saw killer).

In the movie, we saw the discharged officer take the video footage of the orderly poking his head through the curtains.

So either:

• A) The photo provided to Adam was a video still of that shot that the officer had taken.
  
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  B) The Jigsaw killer had taken the exact same photo from a location identical to that of the police officer. But given the fact that the image on the photo and video monitor are identical, I don't think this is possible, because the Jigsaw killer and the officer were not in the same room, at the same instant; one with a video camera and the other with a still phot-camera, taking pictures.

If we assume that the picture given to Adam is a video still of the video footage the police officer filmed, how did the Saw killer get a hold of it?

The chronology of the movie is a little sporadic.. However, despite this, the police officer was alive up until the final scenes in the movie, and by then the photograph had aready been issued to Adam via the bag in the toilet. So if the police officer was alive previously (and he was), then it isn't likely the Saw killer was able to enter the room he was residing at, and taking pictures from.

Assuming option A above is the way the Saw killer obtained the photo, how would he get the photo from the officer? The officer paid Adam to take pictures of the doctor, but it's my understanding that he never came into contact with the Saw killer himself. Therefore, how would one of his pictures get in the hands of the Saw killer? Furthermore, knowing that the officer had been at his residence, and witnessed him (cloaked, but still) at his place, would make me think he (the Saw killer) would be very reluctant to come close to the officer, for fear of being recognized, even caught. Granted, the officer was since discharged from the force, but I'd still think the Saw killer would want to avoid contact if at all possible.

So, that being said, how did the officer's still photo of the orderly peeking his head out the window get into the hands of the Saw killer, who then gave it to Adam via the bag in the toilet?

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JeremyS

I have no input to your question, as I don't know the answer, but I must say Saw was one of the best movies I've ever seen. I loved it.

Jim Kata

I'm still a bit fuzzy on this movie too....

My only question was .... why was Zeb involved. He seemed to be really cool at the hospital stating that Jigsaw was a really interesting guy and that he had a name and what not. I don't see why Jigsaw set him up. Any ideas on that?

Jimellow

It's a good question, and in fact, I'm wondering if Zeb could have been "in on it" with Jigsaw.

For instance, Zeb is literally the key to Jigsaw getting out of the "cell" the others are locked in. Furthermore, there is no one to keep Zeb "in check." By that I mean, that if he just decides not to play the game, there would be no consequence, as Jigsaw would be locked in with the others, permanently.

Granted, Zeb may not know this, but while the others had clear and distinct things or people threatening their lives if they didn't "play," Jeb seemed to have nothing.. And therefore, I am wondering if it's possible that he may have been in on it with Jigsaw.

Furthermore, Jeb and Jigsaw likely talked while at the hospital, and this would reinforce the argument that Jigsaw would hold no grudge against him, and thus want him to be a victim in one of his games. Jigsaw seemed to pick his victims very carefully, and I think that he and Jeb generally seemed to have nothing against one another, and if anything, Jeb seemed to be a good influence on Jigsaw, because he did in fact state that he did have a name, and thus wasn't a nobody.

This movie was/is incredible. It is so "complete" despite my efforts to find gaps in the plot, and the only thing I can still come up to with this day is the photograph of Jeb looking out the window, and how Jigsaw got the exact same photo that the discharged officer took with his video equipment.

EDIT: I just realized that Jeb may have had the slow acting poision in his body.. But I forget if he did or not.. If he did in fact have a slow acting poison in his body, then my entire argument/point above is discredited, because that would be the thing that kept him both forced and motivated to "play" the game.

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whocarz

Except the slow acting poison was the biggest plot hole in the movie. The guy worked at a fucking hospital. He KNEW he was poisoned. All he would have had to do was said "Hey, I'm poisoned," then they run some tests on him, find out what the poison is, and give him the antidote. I personally thought the movie was garbage and I really wish I hadn't seen it, but as I've already posted my views in two other Saw threads, I'll refrain from repeating myself a third time.

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Jimellow

Good point. Also, this would seem to be especially true if he knew the Saw killer was locked in the room with the other men. Had he known that, then there would be nothing to threaten him into playing the game, as the consequence was locked away, and he had the key, literally.

Of all the characters in the movie, Zeb seems like the one that is most "free" and able to get out of his situation, and not play the game, without consequence. I totally forgot that he worked in a hospital and that if anyone else had the anti-dote, they would.

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crossova

Do you think they will make a sequel?

Jimellow

It seems one is already in development.

Article can be found HERE.

I really like how the first one ended, and left things un-said. IMO, Saw is a movie that has a really nice ending in that it leaves the uncertainty out there regarding the Saw killer, and even the doctor that was crawling away, who I assume was killed anyway.

I really don't think Saw is a good movie to make a sequel for, if in fact it is a true sequel, in that it picks up right where the first left off.. If that is what the creators are doing with Saw 2, I don't think it will be good. However, if they instead implement a few characters from the first Saw into a sequel which involves a plot and situation un-related to the events in the first, then I think it could be a good sequel.

Generally though, Saw is a movie that didn't need a sequel to be made IMO, as I think it ended very well and almost did as much as it could with the material and time provided.

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