Nip/Tuck...The L Word...what else?

I so freakin' stoked about seeing how the BSG story ends. Only a week and a half to go!

I am very excited it is almost time for BSG to come back! As my SO can attest to, I freak out every time I see a preview.

Spoiler: They're all Cylons!

Oh that's just the beginning. There are at least three more absolutely massive things we're going to learn in the last 10 episodes.

Spoiler: What? He's right? He told me he was going t post that as a joke.

Shhh....:expressionless:
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Okay, so we know who the fifth is. We know a lot more about Starbuck. We know a great deal about Earth. And the picture is finally forming about the third party.

I'm so glad this is back.

Great episode, fantastic turn of events. So much to be explained.

Obviously, Earth has fought the Battle of Armageddon.

However, with regard to Starbuck, I don't think she is a cylon. It's way deeper than that.

Starbuck is the Resurrection.

The Resurrection is the very heart of Christianity. All along, the Cylons have believed in the God of Abraham, one God, and the humans have (and still do) believe in many Gods. (Though it's an interesting image - Laura Rosalin burning the sacred scrolls of Pithia. She has realized that it's not true.) Now you know why the cylons believe only in one God. It stems from when they lived on Earth and destroyed themselves.

12 cylons, 12 deciples.

Starbuck is Jesus.

That's why Leoban (Peter) ran. (Wouldn't you run if you saw Jesus in front of you?)

The 12'th cylon is Judas.

SPOILERS for episode 411 of course, but if you're any kind of BSG fan you wouldn't come into this thread until you've seen the most recent episode anyway.

james t kirk: I think this is a case of seeing something because you want it to be there. I really don't see RDM going in that direction at all.

willravel: I'm not sure how you can so definitively say we know who the fifth is and we know a lot more about Starbuck. If Ellen is the fifth, then it seems we know a lot less about Starbuck. If Starbuck is the fifth, then we know a lot more about her, but what's the deal with Ellen?

What I think we do know - and this isn't really anything new, because it has been brought up plenty of times before - is that all of this really has happened before, and all of it will happen again. In the end, I think they truly are all cylons - just different iterations - and most of them will die, leaving a small faction to start the cycle anew, maybe on Kobol. They could also go in the Matrix direction where the cycle is broken, but I think that would be less interesting.

Oh, and will, what third party? As much as I was a proponent of a third party to the story before, I'm growing more and more confident that humans (who I now think have been long dead) and cylons are the only characters to this story.

Either way, I'm excited to see what's next!

I thought it was an excellent episode, but a bit confused about the 5th cylon since I assumed it was Starbuck because she found her ship and body, but then Tigh was tripping out in the water and came to the conclusion that his deceased wife is the 5th.

I didn't expect Dee to blow her brains out, but I guess someone was going to do it.

They hinted at that pretty strongly throughout the episode, but it was still pretty shocking when she actually did it, despite the buildup. What a tragic subplot - wonderfully done.

That episode was awesome! I don't know what to think, just a lot more questions than answers.

They may very well all be Cylons.


He ran away because she told him that the hybrid said she would bring the end.

Ellen was the fifth. She was on Earth, and I suspect that she was the one that orchestrated the resurrections of the final five. Because of that we now know Starbuck wasn't the last cylon and can move forward under the assumption that finding Earth was orchestrated by the third party.
Yes, I think that's what we're supposed to think right now. The population of the Twelve Colonies were just another kind of cylon. Or? Maybe there was a reason that the thirteenth tribe took such a different direction? Maybe that separation is a clue that the colonials were human. It's hard to say, and knowing Moore, we're likely jumping to premature conclusions.
How would the long dead humans resurrect Starbuck? Nah, whomever has been orchestrating things is still very much an active force. Head Six, Head Baltar, and Head Leoben are all very much connected with the rag-tag fleet finding Earth via resurrecting Starbuck and changing the behaviors of people in the humans and cylon. Baltar becoming a monotheistic prophet likely will play a substantial role in things to come, and you can bet Hera is directly involved.

Maybe it is a bit like the old series where there is that race of god like beings.

Found in the episodes 'War of the Gods'

Hard to say exactly what "the end" means.

The war on Earth occurred 2,000 years ago. Supposedly, there's no-one left.

Earth was entirely populated by cylons? Are humans decended from Cylons? What about the other cylons out there, how do they fit into the equation?

Next episode, it looks like Six is pregnant with Tigh's child.
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The WHOLE show is steeped in Christian mythology.


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I used to think we were headed in that direction but I'm not so sure anymore. It's worth remembering that EJM has been vocal from the beginning about not wanting to be part of a show with aliens. We'll see though: I think the Beings of Light/Lords of Kobol/whatever-you-want-to-call-them could be an interesting storyline, but I also think the idea of everyone being a cylon and having been for a VERY long time is interesting as well.The whole show as in that one picture? ;) The show is steeped in mythology from a very very wide range of spiritual traditions...there are Christian elements, but it's not particularly more Christian than Jewish, Hindu, or Greco-Roman (all three of which have gigantic connections to BSG mythos).

LDS mythology, to be more specific.

That's a lot more accurate when you're talking about the original series.

The new series is steeped in LDS mythology only insofar as it's based on the same concept as the original. RDM does not have the same agenda that Glen Larson did.

It was a mind-blowing episode that left me with chills.
When Tyrol (sp?) was in the ruins and he had his flashback of getting blasted and imprinted on the wall, that was chilling.
When Starbuck found herself, that was chilling.
When Dualla killed herself, that was chilling.
When Adama was drinking with Tigh in Tigh's quarters, with the pistols, that was chilling.
But most chilling of all?
The thought that the people of Earth were Cylons all along.

I hope I'm wrong.

Revolution!

An article discussing why Gaeta started a mini revolution.

According to Bear McCreary's blog, the next episode is even more action-packed!

crap... I didn't even know it had started again. got to find some torrents to catch up.

Just watched Friday's episode.. and ZOMG.

The best part of last Friday's episode is a tie between Starbuck saving Apollo in the hangar, and Adama/Tigh dual-wielding badassery

Yes. Definitely a tie.

I'd like Apollo giftwrapped and in front of my door for Valentine's Day. Kthx.

I've only watched the first four episodes from the first part of this season. I think I will be having a Battlestar Marathon this weekend.

I'm finally caught up on Season 4, thanks to Ninja Video, I think the "everyone is a cylon" theory is the only one that makes sense at this point. I'm more concerned with Earth is a nuclear wasteland 2000 years old? What the frak is that about? Where are we? Are we Cylons? Did Cylons begat humans or the other way around? I was lying awake last night thinking about this. Certainly lends credo to the whole "everything has happened before and will happen again" theory.

I just got around to watching the season opener and WHY DEE? WHY?!!?!?!?!??!! :sad:

Not much to say other than BSG is kicking ass as usual...perhaps even more than usual.

Also, did anyone else notice that it says 1337 hours before a certain kickass scene with Apollo and Starbuck?

So happy to see Tom Zarek in the launch tube! Now if only Gaius Baltar would join him...But it did seem like Baltar was developing a bit of a conscience in the last ep.

"It would have been funny if you'd done it" May be my favorite line in the whole series.

And I wanted the old man to put a bullet in Narcho bad. Real bad.

What's with the tears in the wall that Tyrol finds? He's in the FTL room, his hands are blody from removing what looked like a big fuse, and he looks over to see tears in the metal wall. he whispers, "Oh, no..." Could the FTL be dead?

stress fractures...the ship is falling apart.

Yep. I bet that's a topic next week. Have you looked at the panning shots they do of the Galactica? Compare the ones this season to season one. The old girl is in bad shape.

I caught the 1337 hours scrawl, too, Smeth, and thought, "Surely, that was intentional...".

Maybe it's just me, but was that whole dream tea party between the two G's meant to convey Gaeta as a possible skinjob? If so, then how can his leg be that way?

Also, when they executed them, right beforehand, Gaeta looks down at his stump, and says it stopped hurting.
That was the first time I actually felt something for his character.

Btw, the cylon Starbuck was helping, her boyfriend/hubby (not sure), what happened with him? I missed the climax of that part. I saw up until Adama's lawyer started helping her. Did he live?

The scene with Gaeta and Baltar isn't a dream, it's his last rites. No skinjob there (besides, we already know Ellen is the final cylon), just someone who is worried people won't realize that he is not an evil person. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Whoa, that wasn't a dream? Maybe I was dreaming... or just off in a daze with my game, again. ;)
Now I get the part where Gaeta said "no religious stuff".

Thanks, Smeth, for the clarification.

Yeah. Poor Felix. Black-and-white morality is a bitch.

Good Riddance Zerak! Too bad about Felix though. To be executed beside Zerak was an insult to his character.

I absolutely loved how his leg stopped itching, finally. It was almost as it to say, "Don't worry, Felix, you'll finally be at peace."