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Old 07-28-2008, 08:45 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Catwoman represents the good he can't see that he's doing. A thief becoming someone dedicated to justice is the change that Bruce wanted to see from the get go, and some of that hope was lost with Dent.

Not only that, but Rachel really wasn't like Bruce. Catwoman was always more of a kindred spirit. That could be important in regaining his perspective after losing Rachel.
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Old 07-29-2008, 11:25 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Old 07-29-2008, 11:44 AM   #83 (permalink)
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The Penguin is boring, no one would know who Zsasz is, Blackfire would anger the religious right... Whisper is 100% science fiction (or even fantasy). Strange would be interesting, but I'm having trouble imagining him fitting in with the setup of Batman 3. Riddler, imho, is too similar to the Joker (narcisism, laughs, leaving clues, costume, etc.) to really allow Batman 3 to be set apart from TDK.

Black Mask is interesting. Retro brought him up earlier in the thread (credit where credit is due), and I've been thinking about how he would fit in. The shared childhood friendship (and secret hatred) with Bruce Wayne could create an interesting dynamic. It also lends to the "there but for the grace of god go I..." kinda thing, where Bruce realizes that he could have become Black Mask had he killed Joe in Batman Begins. Had it not been for Rachel he might have. The torture thing might be interesting, too. A lot of people were surprised that Bond was tortured in Casino Royale (even though he had been tortured in the previous movie, Die Another Day, albeit less convincingly and realistically). Batman still feels a bit invulnerable from a physical standpoint, only having falls and dog bites really featured as physical challenges. I'd be concerned, though, that most people would have to go to wikipedia to learn who Black Mask is. That might piss off medium fans, those who enjoyed the occasional comic and tv show instead of die hards.
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Old 07-29-2008, 12:12 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Who cares if no one knows who the character is before hand? I bet you probably only 10% of the theater that I was in knew who Harvey Dent was before half his face was torched off. A good movie is a good movie, a good character is a good character, despite his name or his previous popularity.
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Old 07-29-2008, 12:27 PM   #85 (permalink)
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I bet you probably only 10% of the theater that I was in knew who Harvey Dent was before half his face was torched off. A good movie is a good movie, a good character is a good character, despite his name or his previous popularity.
Oh comon, you really think only 10% knew who Harvey Dent was?
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Old 07-29-2008, 01:07 PM   #86 (permalink)
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You are right will, 10% was probably high. I heard a collective "is that two face?" when he was in the hospital and it showed the burnt side. Keep in mind I saw this movie this last Sunday, so all the hard core kids had already seen it.
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Old 07-29-2008, 02:52 PM   #87 (permalink)
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Black Mask is interesting. Retro brought him up earlier in the thread (credit where credit is due), and I've been thinking about how he would fit in. The shared childhood friendship (and secret hatred) with Bruce Wayne could create an interesting dynamic. It also lends to the "there but for the grace of god go I..." kinda thing, where Bruce realizes that he could have become Black Mask had he killed Joe in Batman Begins. Had it not been for Rachel he might have. The torture thing might be interesting, too. A lot of people were surprised that Bond was tortured in Casino Royale (even though he had been tortured in the previous movie, Die Another Day, albeit less convincingly and realistically). Batman still feels a bit invulnerable from a physical standpoint, only having falls and dog bites really featured as physical challenges. I'd be concerned, though, that most people would have to go to wikipedia to learn who Black Mask is. That might piss off medium fans, those who enjoyed the occasional comic and tv show instead of die hards.
I think Black Mask could work very well. He could be the mob boss who takes control of the mob in Joker's absence, also allowing him to not only act out his personal vendetta against Batman, but Bruce Wayne as well.

I doubt many people will care if they don't know who Black Mask is. Many didn't know who Raz Al Ghoul was, but if the introduction is done right, it can be pulled off. Also, Black Mask fits in really well with the Nolanverse.

Have we decided on an actress to play Catwoman yet?
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Old 07-29-2008, 03:15 PM   #88 (permalink)
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Touche on the Ra's Al Ghoul thing. You're right in that a lot of people may not have been familiar with him (or Ducard, the character he was combined with).

Making the mask look like a skull might not play well, but a black mask of some sort might be kinda interesting. I really liked the mask Tom Cruise wore in Vanilla Sky. Something like that, which is meant to look like the face of the actor, but that's lifeless and haunting would really be incredible. It would be interesting to have the police hunting Batman and Black Mask going after Wayne, not giving him any shelter.

One thing that should be said: do not do the original origin story on Black Mask. He was dropped on his head as a baby and attacked by a raccoon as a child. I don't know about you, but I'd be laughing so hard in the movie I might be asked to leave. Maybe have him born with some malformation of the face.

As for Catwoman, I threw out some really good actresses (Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett, Hilary Swank, and Helena Bonham Carter) that I've not really heard back on yet.
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Old 07-29-2008, 03:20 PM   #89 (permalink)
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First of all, do we know for sure that there is only going to be one more Nolan Batman?

I'm really kind of surprised that they didn't introduce the next villain in some way (unless they were planning on continuing with the Joker and Two-Face). I think Catwoman could work as a secondary character/villain, but I agree with twistedmosaic that she would do little to really advance the story other than provide a female presence.
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My vote is for Rose McGowan.
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As for Catwoman, I threw out some really good actresses (Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett, Hilary Swank, and Helena Bonham Carter) that I've not really heard back on yet.
Definitely no to Cate and Hilary, but Helena could be a very excellent choice. I still like the idea of Rose, though.
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Old 07-29-2008, 03:24 PM   #90 (permalink)
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First of all, do we know for sure that there is only going to be one more Nolan Batman?
The film companies would hire a cleaner to off Nolan if he didn't make another gold-mine Batman film. This thing is shattering records left and right and Warner Bros is making a ton of money off this. TDK had a budget of, what, like $180m? It nearly made that in the first weekend.

I'm personally hoping for a quadrilogy, but a trilogy would be fine.
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Old 07-29-2008, 05:33 PM   #91 (permalink)
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The film companies would hire a cleaner to off Nolan if he didn't make another gold-mine Batman film. This thing is shattering records left and right and Warner Bros is making a ton of money off this. TDK had a budget of, what, like $180m? It nearly made that in the first weekend.

I'm personally hoping for a quadrilogy, but a trilogy would be fine.
I really think the next movie will be Act 2. Batman Begins really felt like a prologue, which makes Dark Knight Act 1. The plot feels like it needs more conflict before we can have a resolution.
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Old 07-29-2008, 05:35 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Definitely no to Cate and Hilary, but Helena could be a very excellent choice. I still like the idea of Rose, though.
Rose would be good.
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Old 07-29-2008, 05:43 PM   #93 (permalink)
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I really think the next movie will be Act 2. Batman Begins really felt like a prologue, which makes Dark Knight Act 1. The plot feels like it needs more conflict before we can have a resolution.
This is exactly what I'm thinking. It's also why Catwoman would be better for part 3 of 4 (or 2 of 3).
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Old 07-29-2008, 05:52 PM   #94 (permalink)
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This is exactly what I'm thinking. It's also why Catwoman would be better for part 3 of 4 (or 2 of 3).
Yeah, I think we can agree on that. She's good filler and adds interesting character development, which is what would be needed in Empire Strikes Back, but doesn't really have a place in the finale (unless she has/had been developed in previous films).
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Old 07-29-2008, 05:59 PM   #95 (permalink)
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Angelina Jolie for Cat Woman?
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Old 07-29-2008, 06:27 PM   #96 (permalink)
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For real? I have not enjoyed her in a single film I have seen of hers. And I will go out on a limb for this one - I don't find her very attractive. I pass by hundreds of women a day on the street who look far superior to her.
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Old 07-30-2008, 04:31 AM   #97 (permalink)
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For real? I have not enjoyed her in a single film I have seen of hers. And I will go out on a limb for this one - I don't find her very attractive. I pass by hundreds of women a day on the street who look far superior to her.
I completely agree. However, rumor has it that she's already in talks with the studio for the part.

The more I think about it... I think Black Mask would probably fit best as the next major villain, but I don't think we've seen the last of Two-Face.
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Old 07-30-2008, 10:35 AM   #98 (permalink)
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She's the right age, she oozes sexiness, and she has been good in past movies (Girl, Interrupted, for example). Just throwing a name out there
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oozes sexiness? We are going to have to agree to disagree on that one!
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Old 07-30-2008, 06:06 PM   #100 (permalink)
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oozes sexiness? We are going to have to agree to disagree on that one!

that's fine. Watch her when she's on Larry King or Inside the Actor's Studio. Everything about her is sexy I think. You're saying you'd kick her out of bed?
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Old 07-31-2008, 03:47 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Rumor on the interwebs this morning is that Johnny Depp is going to play the Riddler in the next movie and, although less likely given what Nolan has said, that Philip Seymour Hoffman will play Penguin.
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Old 07-31-2008, 06:55 AM   #103 (permalink)
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Rumor on the interwebs this morning is that Johnny Depp is going to play the Riddler in the next movie and, although less likely given what Nolan has said, that Philip Seymour Hoffman will play Penguin.
Depp? Sounds like the rumor that Josh Hartnet was going to play Superman. I'm sure he's ready to do something really independent after doing those pirate movies, not another of the biggest movies of all time.

As for Hoffman... doesn't he have more dignity?
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:24 AM   #104 (permalink)
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Depp? Sounds like the rumor that Josh Hartnet was going to play Superman. I'm sure he's ready to do something really independent after doing those pirate movies, not another of the biggest movies of all time.

As for Hoffman... doesn't he have more dignity?
Yeah, he does. I'm WAY skeptical.
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:32 AM   #105 (permalink)
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Yeah, he does. I'm WAY skeptical.
You know, I take that back. The true Hoff, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, has been known to let his blond locks down now and again:
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:16 AM   #106 (permalink)
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Old 07-31-2008, 12:45 PM   #107 (permalink)
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I've been thinking about what I would like to see for the next Batman movie. And pretty much one thing keeps popping into my head. Worlds Finest. I would love to see Nolan handle Superman and Luther. No need for casting. All the major roles are already filled.
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Old 07-31-2008, 01:17 PM   #108 (permalink)
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Bat/Supes was put on hold indefinitely. It would be totally awesome... but it'd violate the realistic universe Nolan has created.
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:36 PM   #109 (permalink)
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Bat/Supes was put on hold indefinitely. It would be totally awesome... but it'd violate the realistic universe Nolan has created.
Yeah, but damn it would be awesome. Not to mention I would really love to see how Nolan would handle Sups.
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:45 AM   #110 (permalink)
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Hoffman is my favorite actor. Next to him would be Paul Giamatti, Joaquin Phoenix, and Heath Ledger. All amazing method actors. Hoffman is tops though; by far.

And Will, I'm not sure what you mean by lowering himself; he's not some pompous prick. I think he could do to The Penguin (a british arms dealer or a mob boss) what Ledger did to the Joker and bring it some legitimacy.

Paul was my first pick for this actually. But Hoffman. Wow.
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:50 AM   #111 (permalink)
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I'm saying that the Penguin isn't a good enough character for Hoffman. He, being such an outstanding actor, deserves a better character. He'd be much better off as a Rupert Thorne.
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:52 AM   #112 (permalink)
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hahaha you were just waiting for me to jump on that.

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Old 08-02-2008, 11:10 AM   #113 (permalink)
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I could really see Black Mask being done. But I have so many ideas about what could be done for the next film, I can't think of which one would be best.

Here's one:

Two-Face is alive and thriving. Harvey Dent is dead to the public, but Gordon's department and Batman know he is currently dominating the criminal underworld of Gotham. Batman continues to work in the shadows as a vigilante, though he has lost his connection with Gordon due to the events in the finale of The Dark Knight. Bruce Wayne has some random rich-person event reuniting him with a (forced) childhood friend, Roman Sionis, secretly Black Mask. Black Mask and Two-Face go in league at some point for a yet undetermined reason (possibly they discover the Wayne-Batman connection and each attack a different aspect of the character). While this wouldn't exactly be cannon (at all), I could see it fitting in the Nolanverse.



And my second idea:

The movie focuses less on Batman himself and more on the events around him. It is mainly told from the perspective of the police (Gordon), the villain(s) (Riddler is the best choice for this telling, IMO), and the people of Gotham. While the police chase Batman, Batman investigates crimes by the Riddler, taking the "clues" from the scene before the police have the chance, and leading to a cat-and-mouse type film.


I don't wanna see The Joker come back. He needs to be acknowledged as a character, but I personally don't feel any other actors could do Ledger's Joker justice.
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Old 08-02-2008, 03:17 PM   #114 (permalink)
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I think Mr. Freeze would be a bad idea for the next movie.

I would love to see The Riddler. Maybe not as the main villain because he is so much like The Joker, but more of a supporting villain.

I think Harley Quin would be awesome. I was hoping she'd make an appearance in TDK.

Bane is a wonderful idea, and he definitely has enough presence to be the main villain, if done right.

I'd also love to see Two-Face and Scarecrow return. They've always been my two favorite Arkham inmates, and I don't think either of them had a real conclusion.
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