ratbastid

Daniel Day Lewis would be a HELL of a Bane.

Willravel

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Lasereth

Holy thread explosion Batman.

I don't care who or what the next Batman movie is about as long as it doesn't suck. Spiderman 3 anyone? WTF happened, seriously. Spiderman 2 is still tied as my favorite comic book movie ever, and then the series gets ruined by the third one.

Frosstbyte

Daniel Day-Lewis would be amazing in almost any role that he's type appropriate to play, i.e. not a large black woman, for example. I think you might have a tough time selling him to join the franchise, though, despite its success. The guy takes himself pretty fucking seriously.

Not to say Nolan's Batmans aren't serious movies, but they're definitely not along the lines of the roles Day-Lewis has previously played.

mrklixx

For what it's worth, I'll throw out a predictiation about a potential plotline for the next film. I think one of the plotlines is going to have to do with James Gordon Jr. Why? Because they seemed to focus on him quite a bit, and made a point of his distress over the way Batman was being treated. As far as I know, he is barely even mentioned in the existing Batman lore, other than that he is Comm Gordon's son. This is in contrast to The Dark Knights treatment of Gordon's daughter, who has a significant place in Batman lore as Batgirl. Whereas she it veritably ignored in TDK, insomuch as to only being billed in the credits as Gordon's daughter.

So I could foresee Gordon Jr. as either some sort of Batbuddy character, or possibly someone to "take over the mantle", sort of in the Batman Beyond vein.

I wonder how the hardcore Batfans would react to a completely brand new villain?

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Derwood

poorly, considering how many existing villains haven't been used

mrklixx

Yes, but as discussed, many are fare too "cartooney" or supernatural to fit into the "new Gotham".

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ratbastid

It was pointed out to me by my brilliant (and noticey) girlfriend that every time little Barbara Gordon is seen, we really only see her forehead or the top of her little blonde head. Her theory is that when Barbara is eventually cast as a grown woman, we don't want some little bucktoothed child-actor spoiling the continuity. Never mind that Rachael Dawes apparently got a facelift between the two movies...

Willravel

I hate to be even more brilliant and noticey, but Barbara Gordon was Commissioner James Gordon's wife in the movie. His son's name was Jim and his daughter was unnamed. This can be verified on IMDB.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/fullcredits#cast

mrklixx

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Seer666

Catwoman could be interesting. Maybe Eliza Dushku? Given the flavor of of the movies, there is really only one villian I can think of that would make a perfect fit. Hush.

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Maybe even a "reverse" Batman type like The Wrath, who is tied into both Batman and Gordon, and can make Batman look even worse to the public than he ends up looking in DK by emulating his style, but commits murders instead of save lives. There was another character like that more recently, whose parents were killed by police, but I can't remember his name or what he looked like. Anywho, that would fit in well with the continuing theme of the films IMO.

ratbastid

Yes, I was noticey about that during the film, but forgetty about it when I posted above. Pretty serious cannon violation, there--perhaps I blocked it out.

Derwood

more like a face droop, amirite?

ratbastid

I don't get the hatin' on Maggie. I think she's cute.

YaWhateva

and at least a decent actress. Katie Holmes on the other hand...

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fresnelly

I'm surprised and a little disappointed how may Catwoman suggestions are just current, hot starlets. Scarlett Johannsen? Seriously? Why not just cast Loni Anderson?

You need someone more dangerous than sexy. In other words, Junkie hot.

What's Courtney Love doing these days?


I'm betting on Two-Face and a storyline that focuses on Gordon and his relationship with Batman.

I'd hate to see the trilogy go out with a ridiculous battle royale o' added characters like so many other unnamed trilogies.

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ratbastid

Well, but she needs to clean up okay, because Selina Kyle's relationship with Bruce Wayne is part of the whole Catwoman package--and it's hard to see Bruce picking a girl up out of the gutter.

I'm working on who would be dangerous enough... Nobody mentioned so far really captures it. Scarlett MIGHT be able to pull it off. If she weren't already sullied by her earlier portrayal, Halle Berry might actually be pretty good. Somebody as hot and edgy as Sharon Stone was back in the 80's. I wish Megan Fox could pull it off. Hell, maybe she could with some really sharp direction and coaching.

fresnelly

Yeah, or Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.

Ooh, wait! What about Miley Cyrus?

She posed with her naked back on a national magazine!! That's like, totally scandalous!

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Frosstbyte

The fact that she already failed once as Catwoman aside, Halle Berry is a terrible actress. The only time I have ever found her remotely believable was in Bulworth, and that's not really saying a whole lot. She (and Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner) ruined Storm, and Jinx was just an awfully conceived and executed Bond girl, which I think about covers her experience in action movies. I will never understand why she won Best Actress, and that's probably a topic for another thread anyway.

Megan Fox has the perfect look, but i have little confidence in her ability to bring to the role what Nolan's characters have required. Not that Transformers was really indicative of anyone's skill as an actor (we are talking Michael Bay here), but unless she comes out in something else that demonstrates range other than "Hot chick in peril" I don't think there's much promise.

Scarlett suffers from a similar problem as Fox, and has a very innocent look, which I'm not sure is conducive to playing Catwoman. She'd make a much better Harley Quinn, if she were to be anything. She has shown some good range in Ghost World, Lost in Translation or Scoop, but hard to say and she did work with Nolan to some effect in The Prestige, so she's got that going for her. I don't know much about her upcoming film "The Spirit" or her character, but that might give some insight.

Someone mentioned Alexis Bledel, who is another interesting choice, but, again, not a whole lot of range. If they would be wiling to look a bit older, though, I quite like Lauren Graham (who played her mother on Gillmore Girls).

First person I think of when you say "Junkie Hot" is Gina Gershon, but I think that's probably a bad idea for a lot of reasons. Haha.

thespian86

Lauren Graham came to mind but I don't think of Lauren like I think of Catwoman.

Will, correct me please because I assume I'm wrong.

Catwoman is a line walker. She isn't "good" or "bad"; she's a thief who gets what she can. She is incredibly sexy but I don't think going the road of sex pot is a good idea; she is a cat, she is elusive and she is young. Alexis is beautiful, small and innocent, but her eyes can scream; it's all eyes with Nolan. He loves method, which she is. She gets pigeon holed hard core because she played the cutesie girl next door for so long, but she has range. Trust me.

Watch Sin City again and see what I see. Potential.

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ratbastid

I was kinda thinking Heather Graham as Harlequin. She's got the goofy bubblyness that we saw in Boogie Nights.

But I could see Scarlett, as long as the part doesn't call for her singing any Tom Waits songs.

EDIT: Woah. Just had a thought. You know who could pull off Catwoman? Chloë Sevigny. She's hot (or at least, she can do hot), and she's WAY edgy. She can play girlish and playful, she can play crazed psycho, she can play seductress. She's CLEARLY got the acting chops for the part, I think. And she's method just like Nolan and Bale.

Willravel

Catwoman's not necessarily young. I think the age difference between Bale (34) and Bledel (26) would be an issue. I suspect people would be more comfortable with a woman closer to the 30-35 range so that it doesn't feel like he's robbing the cradle.

BTW, Bledel is not method. She's also never done anything that required her to really show her acting chops. WB dramas could star anyone (*cough* Katie Holmes *cough*) and her movie career is really unimpressive. When Ledger was brought on board, it was after he had made a name for himself in Brokeback and I'm Not There.

Atreides88

I think I know who may be able to play the Riddler: Kevin Spacey. He does off-kilter crazy well.

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YES YES YES THIS THIS THIS!

Heather Graham could be Harley Quinn, someone who is talked into becoming batshit insane while Joker is at Arkham. She comes out, does the whole Joker thing, but in a much... sexier way.

And Chloe Sevingy as Catwoman. Hell yes.

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Frosstbyte

Oh, I definitely see the potential. I ran through all of the Sin City girls (which is what prompted my Carla Gugino suggestion above) since, while it's not the same, the tone and the look are similar.

I think it could work, but she does look very young (even compared to Katie Holmes) and is relatively untested outside of being a cute teenager/college student.

Moriarty

I will be following this thread.

I have one thought...Nolan did not let the Joker die, so I think he will be back.

Atreides88

What about Rosario Dawson? She was in Sin City and I'd say that she is rather talented.

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Frosstbyte

Personally, I would hate that. I think she's fairly irritating, but I can see why it's not a bad choice, and a lot of people do like her.

Willravel

Have you seen Alexander? Yikes.

Frosstbyte

I noted that she had two ample talents in that movie.

And uh, that's about it. Because that movie was really really bad, and probably should not really be held against anyone who was in it.

Willravel

You don't blame the actors for signing on? I can't imagine reading the script and thinking, "An entire 3 hour movie about how one of the greatest military leaders in history was gay? Where they only really show one major military engagement and don't even do it justice? Where do I sing up?!"

And yes, she's gorgeous. I really liked her down-to-earth character in Clerks 2. She can do well in certain roles, but can she be Catwoman? Not in a Nolen incarnation. Maybe in a Robert Rodriguez incarnation.

Derwood

as long as we're throwing out names for Catwoman, how about Summer Glau?

- sexy
- dark
- not Hollywood A-list

seems to fit the profile.

Did I mention sexy?

Willravel

I dunno. It seems like it's still be Batman robbing the cradle. I, on the other hand, am about the right age.

Call me, Summer.

Derwood

here's a pic I like even bigger, it's just way too big to put in this thread:

http://monsterscifishow.files.wordpr...122_1140lo.jpg

Atreides88

What about Christina Ricci as Catwoman?

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telekinetic

Argh everyone stfu about Catwoman. Catwoman has no place in a tightly woven trilogy. What role could she possibly play to advance the story?

Step back for a second: Where does this trilogy (if it is a trilogy) need to go? Here is where we left off:

1. Police chase for batman
2. Public thinks he is a 6 x cop killer
3. Who cares about Harvey Dent, he's played his role
4. They don't need the Joker. I don't think Arkam is as incompetent in the Nolanverse as it needs to be in the comic canon to keep the Rouge Gallery in steady rotation.

The next movie doesn't need a primary villian, it needs a very literal anti-hero. Batman is going to need to be hunted, and so I imagine the police, with under-the-table backing from gangsters, hire someone like Bane to do the hunting. If I were going to write the script, I would have Bane be written very similar to Emil Blonsky from the Incredible Hulk--a brutal special forces who doesn't have Bats aversion to killing. I'd probably spend some time in the first act committing some crimes in Batman equipment to turn the public opinion against Bats.

Willravel

A rather huge role, actually. Consider the following themes: redemption, vigilantism, mutuality... not only that but Batman Year One provides a PERFECT backstory and template for a good, solid Catwoman.

telekinetic

She's a thief. The year one backstory doesn't fit at all with where we left off with the Nolanverse. Batman doesn't need an ambivalent fellow masked rouge/vigilante, he need someone to hunt him, and a way to redeem himself. Catwoman provides neither of those things, and an inclusion in any but a greatly altered version (to play one of those two roles) would be pure fanboy fluff.

Do I need to read Year One again? As I remember, she provided some filler, some eye candy, and an occasional deus ex machina. Her role could have easily been redistributed if it wasn't considered 'neccessary' to the canon.