Getting Girls 101
 

I have seen too many posts in this section from other men that make me want to grab them.. shake them.. and teach them a few lessons about how to get women. I am sure that this thread might get some negative press from our female TFP members, but if anything, maybe they can learn from it and realize why we are how we are and how it works for us to be that way. For the rest of you guys, I hope that you learn a few things that might increase your pimpin skillz. Halx has known me for a while (from before these forums existed) and he can back me up in saying that I have never had a problem when it comes to women and the dating scene, so rest assured that this stuff WILL work if you really follow it correctly. A friend of mine named Sauce-head and I on a different forum created a post about this topic and gave me the idea to post this here. I will share with you some of this information and hopefully you can get something out of it.


Lesson #1-Being Prepared


To get girls, you have to have a lot of factors working together for you. But the single area that you have the most control over is your appearance. Its a known fact that to create chemistry with a girl you have to know how to connect with her emotions. Well taking excellent care of yourself will automatically trigger part of her emotions right off the bat. Think about that for a second. You don't even have to say a word to the girl and she'll already be more willing to talk to you because you've triggered her emotions with your appearance. With that being said, here are the guidelines to follow for your appearance.

1-Workout Consistently-Ok I'm not saying that you have to look like Arnold or some Calvin Klein underwear model, but you should definitely go to the gym 3-5x a week and get yourself in decent shape.

2-Wear nice clothes-By "nice" I don't mean Gucci or Armani, just wear clean clothes that fit your body type and style. I think the most important thing here is to find a look that fits you. If your a skinny piece of shit, don't go wearing XXL football jerseys and huge baggy pants. That will just magnify that fact, that your incredibly underweight. Get a pair of white shoes and black shoes. You can wear those colors with anything and it will show a girl you have a sense of style.

3-Keep all areas clean-Girls are very perceptive. They notice the smallest details about you. Get your haircut regularly. Keep all your nails clipped and clean. Make sure if you have facial hair its always looking good. If you have a fat goatee, then keep it combed, its hair isn't it. Get a beard trimmer if you have that stubble look and keep it trim. Don't have a uni-brow, go to your mom's bathroom and bust out the tweezer's. Same deal goes for nose hairs. As far as other body hair goes, I trim everywhere else. Most girls, well the hot ones, usually only like hair on your head and little bit above your unit.

4-Skin care-Take good care of your skin. Most guys wash their face with soap and water and that's it. I like to go in the steam room after I work out, use good face products. You will be surprised, its makes a huge difference in the way your skin looks. Besides you don't want to break out the night before you hang out with a good looking girl.

If you put these four factors together, you should have a higher self-esteem. This will make you more confident which is half the battle with the girls.



...lesson #2 will be posted later tonight

Thanks for the tips. I look forward to part 2.

First impressions are important, and you've definitely got some good points there. Lesson #1 is right on target, but I would imagine that a guy would be looking for these same qualities in a girl as well. ;)

Looking forward to reading what you have to say in lesson #2!

Juan's Advice.
Just be yourself.

To thine own self be true.

I will start out by saying that getting a girl legitimately will ultimately cost you more than a hooker.

Gym memberships, hygiene products, car detail, dinner... the list goes on

Shiiiiiiiit. You want women? I reccomend the wing commander method.

How to be a Wing Commander

In the playaz game, the mission must have three important units on the playing fielf... the KAMIKAZE, the WING GOMMANDER and the WINGMEN.


The night is initiated (And rotated if necessary) by the role of Wing Commander.

Scoping out the scene, be it a club, a bar, or a party, the Wing Commander chooses the target. Ussually a group of women who all look single that are out for a night on the town.

THe wing commander sends in the kamikaze; a good lookign guy who often enough doesn't even know he's a good lookign guy or is already taken, and doesn't care about what happens in the night. he doesn't have to score, so being in a relationship doesn't eliminate his roll.

Upon sight of the group of girls, its important to find "the ugly one" or "the bitch." This target is the kamikaze's main objective. The wing commander has decided who he wants to hook up with in the group, and it is the kamikaze's job to introduce himself to the least likely canidate of getting laid in the night. this insures that no matter what happens, the one that always ruins the night for the girls will be busy, preooccupied, and won't care that the fox of the group is the one of interest.

THe kamikaze initiates everythign, and goes to the least desirable woman, and swooons her as best her can. A simple, "hey how's it goin'" works fine. Chatterboxes are excellent at this role, and upon contact and about 3 to 5 minutes into contact, the wing commander can strike.

After initation of the campaign, the wing commander brings himself in, and says hello to his friend and is welcomed by him, and introduced to the wing commander's primary target.

Not soon after, the primary target (aka, the hot bitch) will have her friends begin to grow tired of non-stimulation. This is where the wingmen strike, and deter interruption of the wing commander. It is strategic play fo rhtem to keep their eyes open, and to walk in by "chance" and be introduced to any other available lady that looks like she might need a kamikaze to intercept.

These three roles are important. Upon keeping everyone stimulated, everyone goes home happy, and hte main target that is determined by the wing commander will make sure everyone does go home happy.

some of it takes improvization, but this is the general key to being a playa. Its a game. its a mission, and its all in good fun like a video game. with practice, you will be the ultipimp.

Lesson #2


Lesson #2-Creating Attraction

When most guys hear a girl say "I'm so attracted to him," they automatically think the girl is refering to the guy's looks. WRONG!!!!! When a girl says she's attracted to a guy its much more than looks, if at all. All these years, we've be bred to think that the way to a girl's heart is to buy her gifts, call her a lot to show how much you care and put her above anything else. Well in the real world that's the furthest thing from the truth. Now most guys who realize this are quick to say, "To get chicks you have to be @ss-hole." That's not true either. Why would a girl want to be with an @ss-hole?? To create attraction you need to understand these 3 principles:

1-Knowing what to say
2-Knowing how to say it
3-Knowing when to say it

Let me explain each of these in more detail:

1-Knowing what to say-If you know what to say to a girl, then you'll get every girl you've every wanted. So how do you know what to say?? Its actually pretty easy. Say the unexpected. The unexpected is what she subconciously wants to hear, but when you say it, she'll say your mean and hit you. I am naturally pretty funny, according to all my friends and family. So I use this to my advantage to bust on the girl and give her a hard time in a non-threating type of way.

2-Knowing how to say it-Your voice tone is SOOOOO IMPORTANT!! Watch a Brad Pitt movie. Analyze his voice in some of the lines he says. Fight Club is actually a really good example of this because Edward Norton's tone of voice is like a mouse who got kicked in the nutz. So you have a perfect example of how to sound and how you shouldn't sound. Pitt's voice is deep and manly. If you think he just naturally talks that way, then your fooling yourself. He practices at it, I can assure you of this. Girls find this very seductive. The best place to practice your tone of voice is on your cell phone voice mail. Think about this advantages of this. Whenever girls call you and you don't pick up, they can hear your voice which will trigger some of their emotions again.

3-Knowing when to say it- The "when to say it" part is not exactly what it seems like. It basically means to say what your going to say within the context of the subject. Meaning, if you guys are having a conversation about the beach, don't change the subject and talk about school.

The basis of creating attraction is making sure you act like a man. Girls are not attracted to wussies. A wussy is someone who is her "best friend" dying in agony, hoping one day he might suddenly get to fuk her. He became a wussy by calling her a lot, agreeing with everything she says and putting her above himself. Don't be that guy. Always remember, that YOU are the most important person in your world. Take care of yourself FIRST then focus on others. Being a man means having an opinion on things. If a girl says something and asks yo how you feel, don't just agree with it because you think that's what she wants to hear. Tell her your side without starting an arguement. Agreeing with her all the time will also put you in the wussy catergory. Often girls have tests. The will say some outrageous bullshiat to you, just to see if you agree or finally have an opnion and disagree.

Haha. This couldn't be more true. I mean, there are some times when I want to feel comforted in knowing that I've got your support, and other times that I just want to pick at your brain and see what you have to say about issues. There's nothing like a good intellectual wrestling match. Just make sure she's in the right mood for it or she'll get all defensive and it'll grow into an argument instead of a debate. The toughest part is determining whether you're interpreting her mood correctly (you're on your own with this one).

Maybe this is just me, but when I hit a guy because of what he said, it's not because I'm secretly in love with them. It's because what they just said makes them an asshole. When I hit my friends because of things they said, it's because I expect them not to say something like that again.

Things that merit a hit:
Making fun of me
Making fun of my friends, even if they're not around
Making fun of strangers
Racist jokes or comments

There are others ways of being funny that don't involve being an asshole to other people.

Im sorry, I should have wrote 'playful hit'. Bad choice of words, but the point is still apparant and if she is doing that, then you are exactly where you want to be with her.

Before I go out tonight, I decided to post lesson #3 which is very very very important to know, and I am sure will also get some of the females mad at me for saying this. Unfortunatly I don't make up the rules, I just go with what works ;)

Lesson #3 The True Pick up Artist Bill of Rights

1-Thou shall always be talking to a minimum of 3-5 girls. Talking to only 1 shall result in the terminal disease called ONE-ITIS! This disease is always fatal and because it is so severe, it has 2 stages.

Common symptom of stage 1 ONE-ITIS are the following:

-thinking she's so much different from any girl you've met.
-thinking she is the most beautiful girl in the world.
-thinking she is very innocent and moral.


Common symptoms of stage 2 ONE-ITIS are the following:

-calling her 2-3x a day, just to talk.
-staying on the phone for 1-2 hours when she calls you.
-analyzing everything she says and does. Example: "I saw motdakasha in the hall today, she looked my way, what did she mean by that???"
-completely ignoring every other girl who shows interest in you.
-asking anyone and everyone for advice and to analyze her actions.
-when asking for advice, you explain EVERY LITTLE FUKIN' DETAIL about what she was wearing and how she smiled at you at 1:00pm so the listener can "understand completely."
-thinking your different from the 1,0000000000000 other "good guy friends" she has.

2-Thou shall not throw away any opportunity to practice your pimping skills.

I don't care if you have to practice flirting on 18 year olds, grandma's, hookers etc. As long as they are female, sharpen your skills to perfection.

3-Thou shall use girls to get other girls.

Always take girls with you when you go out, because once other girls see you they'll become intrigued and want to find out what all the fuss is about.

4-Thou shall not choose one girl over another.

*Note* this applies only to single non-committed guys. If more than one girl wants you, don't choose. Bang both of them until one leaves. That way you get the best of both world's. Remember, you aren't married so don't act like it. Women have an inherant nature to compete with other women. When other females want you, it makes the one you are with want you more.

5-Finally, Thou shall read all posts on this thread, so I don't have to fukin' repeat myself over and over and over.

This is self explantory. If I don't have to repeat the same $hit over and over, we have more time and space to discuss advanced pimpin' techinques.

1) Be good looking
2) Be confident
3) Be hygenic
4) Be rich

The other 5% share the other 837 requirements

My 2p

Most of this stuff makes sense... it's very animalistic in reasoning.. I can see we're getting into the controversial part.

Lesson #1 and #2 were good for the commited, but #3 seems to be trailing off from that theme. The third one from Lesson 3 is probably the only thing that'll be sure to get you attention. Flirting with every lady you meet also works well. The rest don't really follow the ultimate goal of meeting someone and staying commited to each other (assuming that's a life goal for you).

Good stuff all around... reminds me of FS101.

And collide, it's probably because this isn't about getting into a long term relationship, since he's talking about being a pick up artist, or pimpin' or whatever you wanna call it.

Am I the only one who feels depressed that it doesnt matter who you are. It only matters what image you present. If your good looking it doesnt matter what you say and do your in. If your rick it doesnt matte rwhat you say or do. If you come across as the alpha male (usually by being an absolute dick to those around you) it doesnt matter what you say and do. If you have a good heart, with intelligence your fucked. It upsets me that so many peopl started crapping on that relationships are about emotions a the 'person' their partner is. The same person that beats/cheats/treats them like shit is the person they 'love'. Who a person is doesnt matter in todays society. It might of been like that throughout history but I dont know. It still really upsets me that whats in a person heart (who that person really is) is the least critiqued quality when choosing a person for a relationship. Human beings are not more evolved from animals.

Please know that these apply to getting laid.. finding a female to have fun/spend time with. I am a single guy, so I do not know or even try to write the rules to finding a soul mate. I just am helping the guys out there get laid ;)

Lunchbox7 I feel ya, however, the way you are thinking lumps you into the 'wusss' category and will keep you in the 'friend' category with the women you meet. It is good to see that you have a deeper sense of self, but unfortunatly whether you like it or not meeting and keeping a woman interested will have to involve some sort of game. Keep reading this thread and try some things different. The next girl you land will appreciate the fact that you have a lot of 'feelings' to offer, but that alone wont help you get laid. Those are just bonuses that the girl will get if she sticks around with you for the long haul. You will learn soon young grasshoppa ;)

Re: Getting Girls 101
 

I beg to differ! :)

http://www.angelfire.com/ut/dailyjun...t03_front1.jpg

I'm ugly though, it's ok. ;)

Re: Re: Getting Girls 101
 

I'll beg to differ from what you said as well...


keep face clean
eyes clear
eyebrows trimmed
ears cleaned
nose hair trimmed
good soap
good deodorant
good cologne
well fitting and matching clothes and shoes
match your socks to outfit

*another important thing
keep your house/room whatever clean

DEFINITELY maintain your eyebrows!!!! Those things get bushy and messy just like the hair on your head! Now don't confuse what I'm saying, I'm not telling you to wax or shape your eyebrows like some feminine sissy boy or true homosexual... I'm simply saying taking care of your entire body including areas which you might not think are a big deal will make a world of a difference to a girl! Girls are very observant, they know which guy spends time taking care of himself and which guy just picked up the clothes off the ground and put them on.

Somehow I always get ONE-ITIS. Maybe because I'm just not a people person so I tend to love just being with 1 person.

What you said, it's so true though, most guys I know aren't assholes, but they can't interest a girl if their life depended on them. Maybe it's true what Tyler says in Fight Club: "We are a generation raised by women".

Lesson # 4-Perception

Everyone judges someone when the initially meet them. Whether they try to or not they judge them. Well perception is key with girls. Let's say Halx is a virgin who has never even kissed a girl. He studies up and learns the skills of becoming a pick-up artist. He then applies these skills to the next girl he meets. The girl will walk away thinking he's a great catch. She'll think he gets tons of hot girls, he's slept with a lot of hot girls and he can get more hot girls whenever he wants. This is what you want to do. You want to create a impressive image in the girl's mind and make her wonder about you. This is commonly what's referred to as being mysterious. So with that being said, here's the rules of perception.

1-Being busy-Let's say a good looking girl you've been trying to bang calls you up today. So when your small talking she'll eventually say, "what did you do today?" Here's how a true pick up artist would respond. "Well I actually just walked in the door as the phone was ringing, I've been busy running all types of errands and stuff." Now in reality the true pick up artist could have sat home all day jacking off 33x to the TFP sexuality forum. But he's painting a picture in this girl's mind that he's very busy and always has something to do. He also is very vague about what exactly he did. Notice how the true pick up artist doesn't explain where he ran his errands. That creates mystery. Girls are very jealous people. They will think that somewhere along your errand trail you might have been with another girl. What does this do? It makes them work harder for your attention and makes it that much easier for you to score. Think about that? You can sit at home and beat the meat all day and actually have a better chance of getting pu$$y..

2-Phone Skills-A true pick up artist also stays on the phone for a very brief amount of time for 2 reasons.

a) The less time on the phone means the more mystery there is about you.
b) It prevents you from fuking up and saying something stupid if you only talk for 3 or 4 minutes.
c) It makes her think your busy.

Along with keep the phone conversation short, you should always end the conversation first. This shows her your not needy and have other things to do. She'll think your talking to other girls.

3-Dates are for AFC's-NO FUKIN' DATES!!! You don't pick up a girl, buy her flowers and pay for her dinner on a first date. You meet her at the beach and walk around or you meet her at a coffee house and talk. She pays for her $hit, you pay for yours. Think of this smokin' hot girl just like your best friend. The only difference is she has a really nice pair of titties and nice ass.. Just like phone conversations, you keep the dates short. Coffee should last about 40-45 minutes. If you ever wonder how long you a get together with a girl should be, use common sense. If you went out with your buddy to get coffee, you probably wouldn't be there for more than 30-40 minutes. Unless your one of those gothic people who bring their guitar and hang out at the coffee shop for 3 hours. Now once you guys have starting fukin' like chimps on Xstacy then you can get a little bit more flashy with your get togethers.

4-Keep phone calls at a 3:1 ratio-I never ever call girls until they have called me 2 or 3 times. I'm not talking about calling a girl back. If a girl calls you, you should call her back. I'm talking about initiating the phone coversation. If she bitches and says, I always call you etc. then your doing good!!! I know some female will post and say that this is lame or BS, but don't listen... deep down they know that I am telling you all what works ;)


I'll get more into specfics about how you should be on phone conversations and get togethers in a future "lesson."

Ya, I used to tend to fall into that trap as well. We are all good people deep inside, but like I have said before, a little game playing is necessary in keeping them hooked and interested. I would venture to guess that your occasional ONE-ITIS bouts have left you alone and hurt in the end?

Yeah, I trim my eyebrows when I remember to. In fact, I think I actually will go get them waxed/shaped... might be interesting.

I'm not gay at all... :)

Haha Plan9, well done, very well done.

Nooo!, I'm screwed :eek:

I find it ridiculously ridiculous that you needed to point this out.

You know I was gonna go on this long rant about personalities and trying to give you some perspective on things, but let me just make it short and sweet:

There is a different to being an asshole and being a well kept, confident and masculine man who is not afraid to be sensitive when the time is right, who is not afraid to be angry when he is angered, who does not supplicate to women to attract them (think about it, it's absurd).

I'm getting over a pretty bad case of one-ittis. It wasn't until recently that I talked to some radom stranger for 4 hours that I realized if I found 2 girl I could talk to for hours, I could probably find 100.

What I am wondering is this, where do you meet people?
I am not a bar person, there must be a better way to meet people. But since leaving college, my supply of new people has all but dried up. Where I work we have mostly married people. Is there even a point to go to online dating things (match.com, yahoo) do people meet other people that way? Where do you all meet people?

I don't know really, really I was just kidding. ;)

*raises hand*

I guess I'm the token female to say this is lame bullshit.

Maybe this stuff works on the kind of girls you're trying to pull. I don't know. But if I'm the one to always call the guy, and he never initates then I'm going to think that he isn't interested in me and I will stop calling. But then maybe that's your grand plan, I don't know.

Some girls like games. Some like the chase. I don't.

That being said, I find this thread hilarious :lol:

Wow, I have experienced ONE-ITIS several times. Many of the things you described are exactly correct.

Isn't one-itis also known as a relationship?

I don't mind one-itis when it is relationship one-itis. But I also get it because I spend all my time with one girl and I spend a year pineing for her.

This is definately good advice for playing, which some people have no time to do.

Perhaps I ought to try out some of theese things, I hardly think I have it in me though - I tend to be nice to girls ;)

(with all due respect)

...says the girl that made a post about a guy who she was obsessed with that never seemed to return her calls. Sorry to call you out like that Averett, but you are a very very very good example of how true this thread is and how it works. The only problem is, in his case, he should have called you back. He had you in the best position you can have a girl... and that is having them wonder about you and have to work a lil bit :) Chances are, if he would have given you a few calls he probably would be still banging you and keeping you interested today. He created that mysterious vibe that I talked about in lesson #4 and it kept you wanting him more.

Hershaw,The best place to meet women is EVERYWHERE!!! That's why I said always be prepared in your appearance when you go out. Of course you could go to bars and clubs, but I personally don't really like to go there unless I'm just looking for a easy hook-up. The bar scene is really fake and basically if your not attractive then your not getting any. Most girls at bars are not going to spend the time to let you work your skills. If you do get that chance though, it should be very easy to seal the deal. You increase your chances of success if you go to places where there isn't that much competition. Grocery stores, shopping malls, health club, coffee shop, the possibilities are endless. You just need to start making the effort to meet them. If you are afraid of rejection, just remember rejection is inevitable, but with every rejection you are THAT much closer to finding the one that wont reject ya.

Get pimpin Hershaw ;)

Bonus lesson! More rules of the game...

Once you've mastered the art of walking up to a girl and getting her number, there's a whole different chapter on the rules from there on out. Such as when to call, what to say etc. So let me discuss these rules a tad bit.

When to Call-Only call girls Sunday-Wednesday. Why?? Because they are more likely to be available during these times of the week. By Thrusday, girls usually have plans for that night and the rest of the weekend. Now during the summer I realize these rules are a little different because schools out, etc. But during the summer most people work, so stick to only calling Sunday-Wednesday.

What to say-When you call a girl, small talk for a minute or two and then lead into a get together. Don't sit there like her bitch and listen to her problems and then ask her to hang out. Remember your a man, not a wuss, you have better things to do. So after you small talk immediately ask for a get together. You do this my first asking her what her schedule is like for the week. She'll say I work this day until XXXX time and this day I have school. So just pick a time after that, simple, she can't say no or lie to you. If she says she can't then you find out she was not interested right away instead of wasting months and months "hanging out" as friends ;)

What if she doesn't answer?-Well this is where technology comes to your aid. The first thing you should do before you call a girl is put your caller id block on (dial *67 i believe). This gives you a free phone call!!!! Its a win win situation. If she answers then you can talk, if she doesn't then she'll never know who called her. Which leads me to my next point. DO NOT LEAVE A MESSAGE!! Until you've made the first contact with a girl on the phone don't leave a message. Because your still a stranger to her and even if she's interested, she won't call you back(dumb chick logic).

3's the Charm-3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3!!! Why in the fuk am I typing 3 over and over again?? Because if you only learn one thing from this thread about phone calls it should be this number. That's the MAXIMUM number of times you should call a girl when your trying to make the initial contact with her. Here are the rules for this:

1st phone call-caller id block on, if she doesn't answer DO NOT LEAVE A MESSAGE. Why? Because its a free-phone call, she'll never know who called...-dirty little trick

2nd phone call-caller id block on again, if she doesn't answer DO NOT LEAVE A MESSAGE. Now the timing on the second phone call can be anywhere from a hour or two from the first one or a day later. Because remember she doesn't know who called the first time.

3rd phone call-You put unlock the caller id. If she doesn't answer, leave a message. Your message should say something cocky/funny (not too cocky, they hate that). Now I know some of you are saying, "how cheesy" or "that won't make her call you back." Well if you don't sell it right then it won't. That's why I mentioned your voice tone earlier. Trust me, you say this right and sell it to her, she'll call you back within a hour or two.

However, it should NEVER get to the point where you have to call her 2 or 3 times, because if you used your skills and laid down the cocky/funny, she will answer her phone all day because she's been waiting for your call. Which leads me to my next point.

Jumping off the Mountain when your on Top!!-WTF does that mean? Remember when I said to always end EVERYTHING first? Well make sure you end it when its at its peak!!! If your on the phone with a girl and your making her laugh and giggle, she's obviously enjoying the conversation. Well end it there!!!! Because when you guys get off the phone, she'll be thinking about you the rest of the day. Dont be the pussy that stays on the phone untill the conversation lulls and you end up hanging up wondering if she thought you were lame. Same goes for get togethers, make them want more. This is actually the rule I use when I'm hooking up too. Just think of it this way. Take 2 steps back and she'll pull you 1,000 steps forward

-AndersYou would be surprised at how many clueless guys there are out there. They wait and wait hoping to get lucky one day. When they do get a girlfriend, she's usually not that hot, so they accept that because they don't know how to create attraction for the girls they REALLY WANT! I'll be moving along with some more "lessons" later in the week.

Mot of this is common sense (at least it was to me) but it's actually working in a pub thats got me to use most of the type of stuff mentioned here. Still ahve the 'good-guy' problem going on here, jsut working through it... haha it is nice to have many a female friend though too!

i don't think your advise is that bad, but i just felt the need to point out that some girls like other things. i think a lot of guys who shave and pluck, etc. seem really unnatural. and if you have to learn how to talk from a brad pitt movie, i'm very sorry. i don't know, i like the scruffier guys from time to time, if they can lure me in in a more original, individualistic manner. but i guess if you have already tried being yourself and that didn't work, sure, try this.

Hmm... Maybe I was obsessed. Don't think so though. But I think I'm a very very very good example on how things in this thread will piss women off.

Yes, he had me wondering. Yes, chances are if he had given me a call we'd be screwin like rabbits right now.

But did this guy call? No. Why? Who knows.

Personally I think all these rules to live by need to be thrown out the window. Want to know what I've learned? Don't give a guy my number. Maybe not even take his. You're interested in me? You think you might want to get to know me better? Cool, I'll be at the local Starbucks next Saturday afternoon around 2. See you there. If the guy is interested he'll show.

Basically I've had it with these games. Am I bitter? Yup, probably. But I'd rather not play these games. I don't want to give my number to some guy who probably just got 3 other girls numbers.

I'm rambling. Sorry bout that. I'm interested to see what else you're going to come up with.

Sorry if I'm coming across as a big bitch here. I just don't like getting played :(

It's interesting cus I have seen buddies of mine use these tactics and it works.
At the same time I'm not a big fan of what they are doing since I believe it is in a way disrespectful by toying and deceiving girls.
I would never do tactics like this, I would just feel bad inside. My buddies think I should try it out, but it's just not gentleman like.
Are there any girls that would rather be with a gentleman over these deceptive and tricky people anymore? I was told no by my buddies, but I feel they are wrong.

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Basically, they're far and few between. You'll end up waiting forever and even then while they may be interested in being with a gentleman, most "gentlemen" are just shy guys who can't attract the ladies so they assume they're gentlemen. Sounds harsh but thats the way the cookie crumbles. Been there, done that, over it.

The best way to go about this advice is to actually GO OUT AND TRY IT! You won't get shit done if you just read this thing, so please stop thinking and start doing. What have you got to lose?

Oh no she rejected me... uhh... well... isn't that the same result I would've gotten if I didn't try at all? Yeah... hmmmmmmmm. HMMMMMmmmm. ;)


Averett... do exchange phone numbers. No nice shy guy is going to show up at that starbucks the next day if you guys don't exchange numbers. I mean, this is just my speculation, but odds are that someone who likes a challenge will show up, and not a "nice guy" by your book. And maybe, you should learn to be a better judge of character through all this and try to seperate the game players from the nice guys.
Don't get so bitter about some guy that didn't call you (granted I don't know if that was exactly what tipped you over to becoming bitter). Tackle your problems head on, don't use some strategy that will not work. I wish I could give you better advice because I hate seeing bitter people.

Thanks rainheart :)

I'm really not that bitter. I'm just letting out my frustrations I suppose!

I know the next time I'm asked for a number I'll give it. And yeah, I don't think anyone would meet somebody in that situation. I know I wouldnt if some guy asked me to show up at a coffee shop or whatever!

Where's professor Plan9? This is all fantastic :)

If life and love was this easy, everyone wouldnt be single.

Thereby defeating your whole concept of meeting everyone at once.

There's people out there who know what they want, and they sure as hell aint settling for anything else. From both sides.

And any act you do may be lovely for 'getting some' but really is it gonna make you any better? no. I hope the vast majority of people are hoping for something more than just plain sex, and if they are, any act thats put on is surely gonna wear thin.

If people are themselves, theyll find people. The reason some guys dont get all the 'hot chicks' is because theyre not each others 'type'.. as in they wouldnt be friends or in the same job or social circles. And not everyone thats pretty is 'out of your league' etc etc. Coz when it comes down to it, your personality will rule supreme. Coz it doesnt matter what you looked like when everything starts going south at 30.

In conclusion, maybe this is the placebo story that everyone needs to feel. Maybe everyone wants some 'surefire plan'.

But im betting its the placebo effect at work, after all, whats gonna make anyone more confident than having THE SECRET STRATEGY TO SUCCESS? Thats right. Get out there, and cut the crap.

http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

This site really explains a lot said above, it's definitely worth your time to check out

yah

or you could understand the fact that some people will in fact be friends with people, and only friends, regardless of gender. Guys do it too.

Cant rationalise everything. Or everyone would be reading books instead of paying thousands for psychologists to analyse them. No two people are the same. So rules will never apply.

Everybody has to sell themselves shannon, it might not be fair in your eyes but it is reality. To me, it sounds like you watch too many romantic movies :p. The problem is that the majority of men dont know how to sell themselves, and I am helping them do so.

Hmm, going about picking up women differently doesn't make you "ungentlemen-like", it just keeps you from getting walked on. Any woman that knows me will tell you that I am a gentleman, they just don't realize that I am conciously playing a little game to keep them wanting more. Like it or not, I dont care but the fact is it works.

Ok, I have been neglecting this thread just to see if anybody would have gone out..tried.. and succeded using these methods. Here is another weekend and another opportunity to meet some women. The next lesson will be sort of a homework assignment from Mr. Plan9. I will check back on this thread sometime next week to see if anybody is doing their homework. Make me proud guys ;)

Here is todays lesson:

Lesson #5 - Practice Makes Perfect

To get good with girls, you have to prioritize it. Just like lifting, you gotta stay consistent with your meals and training to see results. One of the best ways to get good with girls is to practice your communication and non-verbal communication skills. Now just like in lifting, you didn't go to the gym on your 1st day and squat 3 plates. You started at a much lower weight and built yourself up to 3 plates. Same shit goes for girls. I know a lot of you are won't admit it, but your very intimidated by really attractive girls. You get all nervous and have no clue what to say . So start off on that really ugly chick in your science class. Or that nerdy girl in math. Of course you would never want to hook up with these girls, but use them as bait to practice for the big fish... Here's what your goals should be:

1-Approach 5 random girls everyday for a week that are between 1-5 on looks. Start a conversation with them about ANYTHING!! Notice how your not intimadated by them AT ALL?? Talking to these girls and being confident is easy. Why? Because you know your better than them. That should be the mentality you have with EVERY GIRL!! Anyway, your focus isn't even to get their numbers or fuk them, its to become comfortable in front of girls in general.

2-For the next 2 weeks approach 5 more girls everyday that are between a 6-7 on looks. Do the same thing, just get comfortable talking to them.

After this 3 week period, your conversation skills(eye contact, voice tone, the way you walk, Alpha Male skills) should have improved dramatically. So now your ready to step up to the majors and talk to the really hot girl with the big fake tits, or the hot blonde who is a Britney Spears look-alike. Now to keep yourself from getting nervous in front of the really hot girls, just keep this in mind: Talk about ANYTHING EXCEPT THEIR LOOKS!!! They know how hot they are and when they hear that 20x a day, they almost take it as an insult and automatically think you just want to fuck them (Of course you do.) Even worse they label you as a "nice-guy wussy." Did you know that a woman decides within 5 minutes of meeting you, whether or not they'd have sex with you? So just think, if you can be Alpha-confident man for 10 minutes, you've got it made.. Girls that are really attractive want to be appreciated for anything except their looks. Keep that in mind and you'll do well. And if you fear rejection or a girl laughing at you, you shouldn't. 99% of the time a girl will be friendly, even if she 's not interested in you. So go get some hours in the batting cage and practice for your big at bat.



*EDIT* Oops, before I leave you all for tonight I should describe what "the scale" is so that you have an understanding of it from my above post.

The scale is 1-10, here are the catergories.

Face 0-2 pts
Tits 0-2 pts
Ass 0-2 pts
Legs 0-2 pts
Personality 0-2 pts

So let's say a girl is "cute." That deserves a 1.5. Let's say she has "nice" tits. That deserves a 1. Let's say she has a "ok" ass. That's a 0.5 as well. Let's say she has "good" legs. That's a 1.5 And a really great personality. That's a 2. So this girl would be a 6.5 on the scale.


So now that you know how the scale works, let's talk about how exactly you talk to a girl who's a 6 and how that differs from a girl that's a 8. Here's the general rules:

1-5: These girls are average and below average looking. They know they're not the cream of the crop, so don't bust their balls too much and throw in a compliment or 2. DON'T OVER-DO THE COMPLIMENTS, 2 MAX!!!! These girls are not confident, so if you boost their ego slightly, they'll be more receptive to talking to you.

6-7: These are the girls who are labeled as "cute." They know they're not SUPER-HOT, but they definitely are confident and know they're better than average. With these girls, 1 compliment will do. Your compliments need to flow with the conversation, don't just tell her she has a great personality, when she's talking about sedimentary rock formations.

8-10: These girls have a bubble around them. The only guys who get to be inside their bubble is the guys who show that their not intimidated AT ALL!! These girls get NO COMPLIMENTS!!! In fact you should give them Negative Hits. If you don't know what that is, read the first page of this thread. Like I said above, mention anything but their looks. Tease them about the little things, tell them they write sloppy or ask them if she cried because a strand of hair is out of place etc. Do this in a playful way, so she knows your teasing but your REALLY NOT.. Do not apologize or kiss-@ss to these girls AT ALL!! Let's say hot girl X gives you her number. She tells you to call her at 8:00pm. You get busy and end up calling her at 8:35 pm. When you call, talk to her like everythings chill. She will then ask you why you didn't call earlier. Just tell her you were busy doing some things. Be vague, don't say, "I went to Mcdonalds and then I shaved my balls." Just say you were busy. Is this starting to make sense? Ok, that should clear it up :).

awesome post. Definitely something to try out of you're struggling. I should send this to a couple of my friends. Of course no advice is absolute, but for the right people, this one is pretty good. Personally, i went from one-itis to a steady SO, but that's not for everyone, and i just got lucky i made it out of the 'friend zone' O.o

I agree. About this thread being hilarious.

And about the phone rules being bullshit.

If I don't get called, I assume a guy has no interest. And then I stop calling. Thus, the end of something potentially good.

Oh well.

hmmm, i am studying software engineering and we do quite a bit of software measurement and other stuff. Anyway, i really hate to quantify qualitative things, also by such a haphazard means. Although i understand your approach and intentions, and just warming the waters a bit, with ,perhaps, girls you're not particulary attractive to or much interested in.

I don't think you need such an elaborate scale in order to determine what a girl specifically is relative to yourself.

That said, and contradicting myself, i thinm you do need some subjective weightings in which you could apply yourself.

So, it you're mainly an ass kind of guy you'd give the ass more wieghting on the scale, so it takes precedence other other things. I think personality really should hvaemore weightings in the score. Fun is definitley more important than just eye candy, you need to hvae a good time and enjoy yourself!

Although that idea (about adding weightings to the scale) is just me being a little silly :p

Also aside from that thing i didn't agree wiht too much, you've raised some good points. I was definitley a bit of a oneitis before, now i am getting back to my roots as an alpha male :D

I've always been told that a flat stomach is more of a turn on than just about anything else. Take heed.

I'm in high school and have been known to have what you call one-itis. Do you have any advice about how to change my image? The advice you are giving here is mostly for girls you are just meeting, so hopefully you could give me a few tips for this also. Good post btw, I'm going to be trying out these new methods.

Changing one's image cost's money. Unless you just want to cure your one-itis.

Here is some of my advice to add. Women are sort of like cats. Reserved but very gentle and forthcoming after they get to know you. They will come around checking you out. But if you come at them with too much energy they will run up under the couch. Eventually if your calm. You will have a lap cat. You could come at men with alot of energy like Dogs. You can play the bongo's on thier stomach and they will still love you for ever =)

I would like to add some advice that builds on what was previously said about confidence. In order to have confidence, you need two things.

Thing one: you need to respect yourself. No unreasonable self loathing, no uncertainty. You are the best agent you have, the only person in the entire universe who has 100% your best interests at heart. This ties in with dressing and grooming well- it's an easy sign that you consider yourself worthy of respect.

Thing two: be able to face rejection. It is possible, statistically speaking, that you will spend your entire life being rejected, always be single, and die alone. This is not the end of the world. You will still have the same opportunities everyone else has to make friends, succeed at work, rise to the top of your sport, or whatever. If you are afraid of being alone, that will always limit you. It will put the stench of desperation on you, however faint. Realize that the worst case scenario is not the end of your life. Paradoxically, once you are OK with the chance that you will always be alone, you will almost certainly not be.

I also had some advice for when you are in a relationship:

Don't take any bad treatment. No matter how good looking she is, or nice, or intelligent, or whatever, if she doesn't respect you, she's gone. Treat her the same way. If you need to end the relationship, don't think about it, and don't think it'll just get better. It won't. Pull the trigger and move on.

Jesus Christ man what the fuck. And you're still going to go after her sister. Well you're persistant, I'll give you that.

Awesome thread - dont know why I'm reading it, but it is relevant and very good.

Back to my g/f now :P

If you find this thread insteresting, you might want to look here:

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/

People have taken this stuff to a science. Personally, I skipped all of these methods and joined a band. Much easier and you get free beer.

I hope I'm not thread jacking here but this question is from that fastseduction site (which I've been addicted to since clicking the link,, interesting stuff to start trying out).

They have a thing about eye contact on there. I'm always afraid to make eye contact because she might get creeped out and think I'm staring her down. Whats the difference between staring and making/locking eye contact for a long time?

It did make me think though,, why look away first? Then I'll never know if she kept looking at me or not.

I dunno, it seems that a smile and then looking away is great...

but i'm not a super experienced playa, or even a playa for tha tmatter.

I think it has something to do w/ facial expression, i figure you must radiate confidence when locking eyes w/ a girl. Think about it, if you're looking pissed or horny it's likely to show through your facial expressions ya?

My tips are.
Get out of your comfort zone and be confident (not cocky).

Or you can forget all that and follow what works...

Lesson#1......

Look like me.

In general the number one thing that has allowed me success with women is confidence. I'm not great looking, but I make an effort to look good. I'm not well worded (i certainly can't spell), but I'm not afraid to talk or start a conversation. Most women respond positively to this effort.

Earlier in life I was unable to talk to women without getting nervous and screwing up. At some point it all clicked. I told myself "what do you have to loose... really." After that I was able to relax, and word/conversations flowed smoothly.

Women will tell you (either directly or indirectly through body language) what they think of you. The rest is easy.

Stiltzkin, sorry I have not replyed to your message. I have been neglecting this thread to give it some time between posts. I am on my way out the door right now but I will read your post and tell you what I think when I have a bit more time. From what I read on your opening sentance, I hope that nobody thinks that I am being a cocky @sshole or anything like that. You basically hit the nail on the head when you said " Although the universal techniques described by him can be used to get a quick lay, they can also be used to start something more serious." I absolutely love women and think they are the sole reason that keeps me waking up every morning and striving to better myself every day, so hopefully that can clear any misconceptions by any people who think I am trying to fuck with them to hurt them. Some women might not like what I have to say, but I challenge any of them to honestly tell me that women don't play more games then men. I am teaching you ways to counter their games and to have one-up on them and they aren't going to like it much. Anybody thinking that you want to meet a person... fall in love... play absolutely no games... and live happily ever after, well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you have watched sleepless in seatle and other (fill in your favorite Meg Ryan movie here) non realistic romance films too often and will most likely spend your life with a subpar partner or none at all.

On my way out, I will revive the thread when I get home.

Ok, well first off I think you need to move on from the twins :p. Count that experience as a good learning one to teach you exactly what not to do. There are plenty more women out there that you will be able to chase that fortunatly don't have a clue that you basically made yourself look like a psychopathic stalker with the twins :eek: :p (I know you aren't, but you did a good job of playing the role :lol:). Don't get hung up on the ones that are too hard to get. Not only are they not worth it in the long run, but even when you finally do get to be with them you will always have the insecurity of knowing that you had to basically force yourself upon them. I, for one, enjoy want to feel like they are the ones trying to be with me as well, otherwise it isn't worth my time.

Ok, here is where you are mistaken. To be a true pro at this you have to have CONFIDENCE. It can't be fake, you have truely believe that you can make any girl feel great inside. That these girls lives are better because they just met you. If you want to see physical examples of this, just watch the guys at your school who get all the hot girls. They have this mentality down, with out even knowing it. That being said, it has nothing to do with "lack of thought" and everything to do with "thinking positive". I cannot stress how important confidence is and how much women are attracted to it.

Lesson #6 Blind Date, 5th Wheel, and every other dating show on TV.


Alright, I'll be the first one to admit it, when I have free time I'm occasionally watching all those dating shows. You know Blind date, Fifth wheel etc. In the beginning I use to just watch them for hot chicks. However now, I dissect each date and figure out if the guy is a total pussy or if he's a Alpha male. Once you mastered the concept of how the Alpha male is suppose to act and all the techniques behind it, you'll realize that shows like these are a invaluable lesson to getting you laid. They teach you EXACTLY how to act and how NOT to act. For example, I was watching Blind date a week ago. The girl was SMOKIN'!! She was in excellent shape, had a nice deep tan, with a tremendous pair of fake tits. She was a 8 on my scale. The guy was a normal looking business guy. They met eachother in a courtyard and they sit down and have a glass of wine to start off with. Immediately the guy is blatantly staring at her tits and just salivating like a dog. He then initiates the 1st of many compliments to her. He tells her how beautiful she is. She slightly rolls her eyes and says "thanks." The way she did this completley proved that really hot girls take compliments on the obvious like an insult. If you compliment these girls they want to hear something different, something unique that sets you apart. But they NEVER want to hear you compliment them within 20 minutes of your get-together. Anyway, they are driving in the car and the guy is just at a loss for words. He then asks her if she works out. She says "yes." And he says, yeah I was staring at your body and noticed you were in excellent shape. She once again roles her eyes and says "thanks." This pansy was so excited about the prospect of hooking up with the fake titted hottie that he didn't know what to do or say. Keep in mind the entire time he was talking he had a huge grin on his face. Then they go to dinner and he says, "umm err, I have to ask you something?" She says "what." He says, "are your breasts real??" She unhappily says "NO!" They then went to a bar. They're chillin at the bar and he's again telling her what beautiful HAIR SHE HAS!! WTF is wrong with this guy!! Is he a fukin' homo, who gives a shit about her hair. The dude had a couple glasses of wine at dinner and they had to get a taxi ride home. At this point he realized he had no chance so he let his dick do the talking. In the taxi he asked her if she wants to spend the night or come in for a few minutes. This was the topping on the KING COCK-SMOKER CAKE!! The lady politely declined. I think the fact that she was on TV made her act a little nicer to him than she would have. When they finally get to his door, he says alright well, "give me a hug." She taps him on the shoulder and says "Good night." He then asks her if she wants to spend the night or come in AGAIN!!!

Ok, has this taught you guys anything. This guy had a GOLDEN opportunity to bang a smokin' smokin' hot chick. All he had to do was play it cool, have a good conversation and he would have been in. Instead he drooled and complimented her, and complimented her and complimented her. He gave her the impression that he hasn't been laid in a long time and it was probably true. It was so pathetic, the guy was a complete tool. Start making it a habit to watch these shows when you can. Break down the entire date from start to finish. Look for signs of interest when the daters first meet eachother. Such as body language, conversation and voice tone. These shows basically spoon feed you the way to get laid. They have the confessional moments and post date wrap up where the girl tells you what she was REALLY thinking. My point is you should utilize all the tools that help you perfect your craft. Put it this way, if you had the perfect body you would still work out right? Of course you would. Because you don't want to lose what you have and you want to gain more!! Bingo. Once you have left your AFC days behind you and become a good PUA, you want to get better. You want to become a master. So you keep on practicing. Keep that in mind next time you flip past one of these dating shows.

I see that there arent as many replies to this as I thought there would have been, and I keep seeing posts on different threads that make me want to fucking puke at how pussy some of you guys are. I am almost thinking that I am wasting my breath and might stop giving lessons. I am truely dissapointed... but hey.. what can I expect from the average "internet crowd"?

Here is my last lesson until I feel that my words aren't being taken serious and actually read. almost 2k views and nobody posts.... bah... fuking pathetic. I take a lot of time to teach you guys this crap, at least post SOMETHING to tell me I am full of shit or that I am helping you out.


Lesson #7 - A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing

Ok if you guys really look into the Alpha male attitude, its all about walking around with a exceptionally high level of confidence. All the guys with skillz around have told you that your looks are not THAT important to your success with the opposite sex. So those of you who have learned how to play the game have embraced that and had good results with hot chicks. Well what about dealing with girls who act this way??? Now I'm not talking about girls who are 8's, 9's or 10's. These girls are exceptionally hot in our books and they know it. They've built up a tough skin to wussies and chumps who act like their bitch. What I'm talking about are girls who are 5's, 6's and 7's who ACT like they're a 8,9 or 10. Now a lot of guys will make the mistake of using the scale on a girl and they planning to proceed with that mentality. For example lets say your at a party. You see a girl and you do the scale on her. She comes out to a 6.5 So you think, "hey she's a 6.5, she'll probably like a few compliments and a decent guy attitude. If I'm cocky she'll HATE IT!!" This would be a key mistake!! Because until you have a conversation with a girl you don't know what her perception of herself is. This is why I believe its VERY IMPORTANT to do the initial approach and then let the girl talk for a little bit. Feel her out(not literally ) and see what her angle is. What your looking for is her bitch shield, her confidence and her receptiveness towards your advance. If you learn this it shoud help a lot of you hit homeruns when you otherwise might have struck-out.

So you might be asking, "how in the world would a girl who's about a 5, act like she's a 9??" Well, the answer is, through learning the game. She probably got tired of getting guy's she wasn't into or no guys at all. So she figured just like all the past-pansies on this board did, that she needs to adjust her mindset and attitude towards the opposite sex.


Also I really want to stress how important it is to practice everytime you can. Pimp it on the fat chick you saw at the mall. Who cares!! Its not like your actually going to hook up with her, your just building your confidence one step at a time.

Thanks, Moses, for comming down from the mountain long enough to pass on your wisdom to us common internet folk without sounding too condescending.

Hi Plan9. Nice tips, I've been reading them along with that fastseduction.com link. Helped a bunch. For instance, I have this chick I've been working on since prior to reading the posts. I asked her number after dropping her off at her dorm (seemed odd that she needed a ride across the fucking street, figured that was an obvious clue). Anyways, she said sure she'd give me her number, but could it be next class. I act indifferent, say no problem, but am thinking to myself wtf? Anyways, onto your advice helping... talk about always being prepared... Turns out, she's a friend of my roommate's girlfriend's roommate! I end up seeing her over the weekend (before the next class), chat with her some more, but follow the advice of ending the conv on a high note. I say I have to go.. I never bring up the phone number thing cus I don't want to look needy. And what do you know? She brings up the phone number thing, says she still needs to give me her number, suggests giving it right now. I say no prob, we exchange numbers, and bam! I plan on calling on Monday (this was Saturday night). Of course, I won't be asking for a "date." Any further suggestions?

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Exactly.

Hey Z_FUW... Why don't you just ask her out? That's what you want, right? Why fucking play these little games when the end result you want is her? You'll feel like a complete idiot when a month down the line you see she's been snatched up by somebody with enough balls to throw these games out the window.

But what do I know. I'm just a girl reading this crap.

well think i will follow your guide next year...... think i need a pimp year or something.....

But keep it going it's looking fine dude :D

This helps with many an insecure male im sure. gives one a leg up if they need it. i dunno, in my experience, just get some self confidence, and the world is your fruitbasket. dont need to brand intelligence and heart as wussy, those attributes are fine and dandy. just need to, as Plan9 has said countless times, have an excellent self image and the rest will follow. Collapse in on yourself worrying about rejection and youre screwed for as long as you want to be. i would know :p

dude all those things are placebo's

Their greater aim is to build confidence through making you think you got everything figured out.

Thats all it is, confidence.

If people cant be confident in themselves, they tell themselves they are the shit and know everything there is to know and all the rules. So yeah, become comfortable with yourself, and others will too.

good post, keep up the good work Plan9.

I realise I'm coming into this late, but to comment on the guy who was saying if you're an intelligent guy with a good heart you're fucked. That's so not true. If you're an intelligent guy with a good heart who's a wuss [no offense intended towards anyone, really], then you're fucked. Yes, projected image is no doubt an important factor in picking up girls. Realise this and change your image. Note: this DOES NOT require chaning your personality per-se. Pick up a banna republic catalog, look at how the men dress. Go to nordstrom's and look at how the male manaquins are dressed. If you can't afford those stores, go look, then goto a discount shop. You can get very similar clothes much cheaper at places like Ross and TJ Max. Kenneth Cole, DKNY, etc, etc, are your friend. I know for a fact you can pick up those brands in discount stores as well. Get yourself a nice pair of dress shoes, you can pick them up for $50-$70. Leather soled shoes are better. Not only will clothes like these show women that you care about your appearence, but you will also automaticaly pass any dress code that any place will have no matter where the night takes you. You really don't want to meet a hot girl and then not be able to go where she wants to go because you're wearing jeans and sneakers and the club has a dress code. Dressing well will make you feel better, which will make you FAR more successfull with the girls. Also, remeber, girls notice the details. Shine your new dress shoes before going out, and make sure that your socks are the same color as your belt. :) Dressing the part will take care of 60% of projected image. Well fitting clothes will also help hide your spare tire if you need to hit the gym. If wearing nice pants and a button down shirt is too dressy for you, unbutton the top button and roll up your sleaves. If you roll up your sleaves, I can't stress enough, do it right. Just shoving your sleeves up will look sloppy.

Back to the wuss part: All you have to do is not do something you wouldn't do to your male friends. You can be your goofy self (this is probably best) but don't all of a sudden lay down and do whatever. I used to be the "Intelligent and good hearted ....not getting girls type" In retrospection, I can see where I just laid down... Calling too much will turn girls off (in fact, if you have caller ID, you should screen your calls...you don't HAVE to be available when/if they call you). Again, I stress, you don't have to be an ass to a girl to get her to like you, just don't appear to have low self esteem and don't appear to be desperate. Just be yourself, and maybe create an aura or 'being in demand' --this will help kick off a lot of girls natural competativeness :) If other girls want you, there's got to be something worth having in you. :)

Honestly though, to those who post 'Am the only one who feels depresed .........' you imediately sound well, like, self depreciating.. if a guy can detect it, a girl definately can, and most don't find it attractive.

Oh, and Plan9 has some good advice, listen to it

exactly.

Its all a self fulfilling prophecy.

If you say youre a wuss and suck, its self defeating and you wont make it.

Thats why 'jerks' get the girl, coz confidence is there.

You can be whatever you want as long as youre confident and outgoing, and dont appear desperate. It makes common sense. All which has been written is just to build up those aspects..

actually this is only for finding someone in a public meeting place (bar, club, parking lot etc.). Well then ya, your image is important. If you want to find a SO by way of friendship, chance, mutual friends, or activity, then who you are will have more of a chance to come out.
In most places were it is ok to "make a pass at" someone, who we are is put aside until we get them on a date. And then for most people that can take time, to fully show who they are.

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, so I will take your condescending post with a grain of salt ;).

Perfect Z_UWF! You played that EXACTLY the way you should have. Update me on this and how soon you end up sleeping with her :).

Hey nightshade000 nice advice :)

TOnight I ended up going to a club with a girl "friend" of mine who brought along a few of her friends. Ended up dancing all night and hooking up with 2 of her friends on the dance floor. The second girl I kissed on, i said, "uh oh.. your roomate just kissed me a lil bit ago". This girl said, "Thats ok, she's ok with it". I knew then, that it was going to be an interesting night. On the way back from the club I was sitting in the back seat of my girl "friend's" car when the first girl that I was with started to kiss me. I started getting into it.. kissing on her neck, fingering her under her skirt, when her friend in the passenger seat (the one who I hooked up with after this one) said, "thats not fair, I want to have fun". The girl I was kissing on said, "fine"... crawled over me as her friend in the passenger seat climbed in back and took her spot. I began to fool around with her in the back seat. When we got home, did I ask for either of their numbers? Hell no. I told them that I was going to go home because I have to work in the morning, and before I got to my car, one of them walked to me and asked me for my number. I gave it to them and left. On the way home, the girl (who was my friend who drived and invited me to the club) called me and told me that, although she was a little bit uncomfortable with the fact that I was hooking up with her friends, she wanted to hang out with me and have me to herself this weekend.

Why did this happen? Was it because I look like Brad Pitt? Bah, no! Its because I played it right. I used everything that I told you all to use and it worked. I am posting this, not to brag, but to show you not only how it works, but to explain just how good it can get when using these tactics.

Keep pimpin'
-P9

Lesson-8 "Being a Go with the Flow type of Guy"

I hear a lot of guys always asking what the best line to open with is or how to get a hot biatch's attention. Well a lot of times the canned openers that I talk about work well, but what about the times where your just walking down the street and you turn a corner and suddenly see a super hot girl? If you hesistate for one one-hundreth of a second to try and recall a canned opener, then you'll most likely miss your opportunity. So how do you overcome this? You don't, you just say something, ANYTHING!! As you practice this type of situation more often, you'll become really creative and learn what works best in each situation. Here are a few tips that can lead you down the yellow brick road:

-say something unique-I know you guys probably know this by now, but make sure that what you say can lead into a conversation that get's you in a position where you can seduce her.

-hold eye contact and DON'T LET IT GO!!- The next time your talking to a HB, trying looking them straight in the eye for the entire time you guys are talking. You'll soon notice how you feel an incredible connection with her, as if you can see right through her to feel what she's thinking. Not trying to sound cheesy but its soo true, its almost scary how powerful those moments are.

-don't give away your secret-the key here is to make it seem like your just having a casual conversation and THAT'S IT!! If she smells that your trying to pick up on her, she'll most likely brush you off since you guys are completel strangers.

-ask opinionated questions-whatever you do, DON'T ASK A YES/NO QUESTION!!! Once she replies, dig thought.


With that being said, I'm proposing a challenge to all you struggling AFC, one-itis, scared of girls bros!! You know who you are, so don't deny it. I saw this over at www.sosuave.com. and I think its a great idea. Here's the game:

Approach 50, yes five-zero girls over the next 3 weeks. Practice your PU skills. Practice in different situations, walking down the street, at the market, at the mall etc. Whatever, whereever. Then report back to ME about how it went and what you learned. Keep a tab on how many phone #'s you get, how many times a girl says she has a b/f and how many times you get a flat out rejection.(don't worry this won't happen unless you say something really dumb, and even if it does happen, who fukin cares?)

The reason I'm challenging you guys is so you guys can become true PUA yourself. Then instead of running to me or anyone else for advice, you'll already know what you have to do. The best way to get better at ANYTHING is to practice. Your field reports will be a invaluable lesson to all of you. I bet you that you guys,especially the ones with ONE-ITIS will come out with a completely different view of girls and be quite happy with all the dates you've lined up.

I want a YES/NO if your in on this. Once I find out who's in, I will set a date for the start of this and an ending date. So here's your chance to show your true skills. I'll give more specific details in the future.

That's a really horrible thing to say.

Also, not that i am interested much, but do you have any pictures of yourself?

You seem to be claiming that you're The Man . So it'd be good for you to post them so we can all quickly judge you as well.

Some of your advice has been quite sound, and theres been some other advice/info which doesn't resonate with me, but thats my own issue.

Although try not to be unnecessaryily nasty about things. You didn't really need to say that at all. You can still be an aplha male and empathetic.

Empathy

With that out of the way, i guess your best advice is talking to the random girls. I've been doing this heaps lately and it does work quite nicely. It seems some randomness etc works quite well. Also on a bit of a tangent, its weird this six degrees of sepeperation. So many people alreadg know peope you know and that kinda works well as well. Or it could be all coincidence. Also the advice of who fucking cares also works well, but i already knew this, but it's good you bought it up.

Although there was one interesting thing happened today while i was waiting at the busstop. It was just me and a girl, although she was crying. I wasked what was wrong and apparently her boyfriend had just broken up with her. Anyway, i said i am sorry to hear that or something to that effect and then she told me to fuck off.

It was rather awkward after that. Anyway, the random meeting and talking will continue for me. That seems the best advice so far.

Also, i am a recovering one-itis, not really anymore though, although i still have the same view of girls. I am definitley not a PUA though, nor do i particualry aspire to be one. That said, i find the competetion interseting and would like to take part in it.

err this post has been kinda weird?

So where's the picture of you? I'm brave enough to post my picture here, where's yours?

And don't worry. I'm fairly certian that I would not want a guy like you.


Edit: I noticed that you do have a picture up. But I see no point in going down the road you took so I'll keep my opinion to myself.

Have you no respect for your fellow human beings?

Averett, Plan9, we're all adults here and I must say it's a shame that both of you had to resort to name calling. It's fine when you think it, it's fine when you say it aloud to yourself, but please, just stop there. Nobody cares that so and so things such and such is an asshole. And likewise nobody cares that such and such thinks so and so isn't pretty. Alright now?

edited by rogue49 for flaming
Why would you even say that? it just sounds like you ran out of intelligent comebacks and fell back on your ability edited by rogue49 for flame.

this is a community in that we share our emotions, feelings and stories to the others and not turn it into who has the greenest lawn...

so lay off keeping up with the jonses and keep your hands to yourself...

wow - sounds like a song in the making...

Please keep your negative remarks to yourself

This thread might be interesting to some,
and uncomfortable for others...this is life.
And the thread starter knew that this was true.
However, it is not necessary to get into a flame war.
Let's act like adults here.

Listen to the points, and make your viewpoint, pro or con.
But not insulting.
Simple.

sorry for being childish everyone,especially plan9. what was edited out wasn't getting anyone anywhere and i should have known better.

I'll play nice next time ;)

thanks for the post, keep up the good work. :)