dmanti, I am wanting to know more but the way you wrote that post I am not sure what the whole story is. Tell me about it!! Sounds like you need some advice from all of us.

Sleepyjack, not sure if I have mentioned this before in this thread, but if I haven't...here it is now: DONT DATE GIRLS FROM WORK! Everybody has heard this rule before, but for some reason nobody seems to take it serious until they end up dating a girl from work and THEN realize how they should have listened to that rule in the first place :(. Flirting is all good, and during your X-mas party or other company functions where you can let loose, feel free to have a little fun, however; DONT date them (hmm maybe I should write a lesson on why you shouldn't date coworkers) !

good thread :)

Heh. Well, I could babble for a long while about this chick, but long story shorter, she lied to be about being a virgin, and being that she starting preaching to me about her beliefs in premarital sex the first night we talked, and then lied to me 3 more times when i asked her, I feel it's a horrible foundation for a relationship. Her best friend, and many others have told me she's lying. The final time I asked her she promised, swearing on random things, very sincere... but... I told myself I'd not speak to her if she lied to me, and althought I very much enjoy working with her... I still feel I need to do what I think I should. In all reality, she could be telling the truth, like... she told her best friend, just to be cool, while she was bragging about her sexual encounters... but I really don't know... I can't tell what's delusion and what's truth.

Well , there is only one way to REALLY be sure about her being a virgin.

And how's that?

There is no way to REALLY be sure. Either the girl is lying or she's not. Physically you can never be sure. Some girls break their hymen through sports or using tampons.

Just so you know ;)

Not to be rude or anything, but... I think that "getting girls 101" is a little degrading and well also.. alot of it wouldn't always work, every girl is different, your practically saying you can ensure that all this advice etc will work and blah blah, is utter crap.

There are some girls you could say, want a root? and they would, others would tell you to f off, othjers would hit you blah blah..

There is no use going all the way out of your way just to get a chick, be who you are and don't change who you are and you'll get a girl that you are compatible with hopefully....

I mean, yes.. some good advice for sure, but.. really, geez.

Why change who you are? - Just to get someone?

If your a good enough guy, they will come to you.

Wow dude, she lied to you so that she could get you in the sack, NICE! :lol:

Anyways, you never can tell when a girl is lying, it's just too hard. :mad:

And Zorvox, that MIGHT work in Australia, but here in America, it sure as HELL doesnt work :)

hey
i have a scenario:
i'm in gr12 and i see this girl at school, she's really fine and she's always lookin at me and shit. anyways it's almost xmas and she gives me this card and gift, i don't even know her! so i go talk to her and find she has a HUGE crush on me... then i find out she's in grade 8 !! i'm like wtf??? she looked young but not that young! so wtf do i do?

PS: it's probably illegal :eek:

Ha!

As a senior do you really want to go out with an 8th grader? no matter how hot she is, that is illegal.

lolol
you're right, she's too young, why god why?
maybe she is my age but failed a couple grades?

Doubtful, there are a lot of girls that look a lot older than they are. Regardless, give up on it, thats robbing the cradle. Nothing younger than 9th grade is fair game when you are in HS.

If it wasnt illegal, I know a couple of my buddies who'd say "Go for it!"

Now that I think about it, they'd probably say that even if it was illegal. :lol:

Middle school is way too young dude, that's border-line pedophilia. Tell her to wait a couple years first.

yea i'm definitely not going to, don't worry .

Er, no, they won't. No one ever got laid because they were a good guy.

I don't think he ever claimed his methods to be foolproof, but the fact is they are reliable and they work.

You don't have to necesarily change yourself, you just have to bring out the sides of yourself that you normally wouldn't.

Why change who you are? Well, if being who you are isn't attracting girls, why wouldn't you change who you are? You can give me all that stay true to yourself blah blah blah, but if being true to yourself is getting you nothing but dates from Ms. Michigan, then yes, it is time for a change.

Not everything is about getting girls, you stick to yourself and just be out there get around with friends and just strive to be who you are, and you will attract the right girls.

And yes, being a good guy will get you laid.

Hehe, whatever kiddo :p Stop watching movies, you have a lot to learn about real life ;) (oh.. "not to be rude or anything")

Common nifu, please don't stoop to the level of needing to be with a child to get laid. Let her have her "crush" and you prowl for some girls who are a tad more mature then 8th grade ;).

wtf, if you have to have a whole "strategy" to get girls, then well.. hahah... why not just go out and meet people the normal way instead of trying to play some psycological game with the girl just so you can get laid.

Who the fuk are you and why are you preaching in my fukin thread? Please do me and everybody a favor and stick to disney.com or sleepinginseatle.com forums to preach your nonsense. I don't give 2/3 of a turd on what you THINK works, you have not even begun to scratch the surface on how to get a girl. Run along and seriously vacate my thread young man.

Please tell us the "normal way" and explain to us in detail on how it worked for you. i am anxious to hear about it :p

P.S. This coming from a guy who posted:

along with...

oh... and lets not forget...


ya.. you are the real casanova. Thank God you came to my thread and showed everybody the light in which you lead! :rolleyes:

i guess i worded my scenario wrong, i didn't mean to say that i was going to hit it.. anyways, i heard of this age rule, tell me if you agree:

divide your age by 2, add 7
that's the limit :D

Age rules (and every other lame dating rules) are dumb. And lame. Or whatever.


Bottom line. The girl is in the 8th grade!


Anyway, settle down boys.. no more fighting. You're going to make baby Jesus cry.

I may not agree with some of the viewpoints in this thread, but hey... to each their own. So lets just quit bein jerks :p

nifu: If there's grass on the field...PLAY BALL!

Just kidding... yea, go for something a little older... at the youngest, a freshmen or sophmore... 8th grader... thats a little too young.. I had an 8th grader like me when i was in 11th... and i just couldnt do it... I told her to wait a couple of years... Its better that way... no regrets

good luck

k plan9

ur so cool..

Zorvox, you certainly aren't acting your age...

::looks around::

Averett rocks!

:: slowly walks out the door::

Yes, I know this.

She is growing on me too, and that is a hard feat to accomplish ;)

In this sexuality forum, I read a ton of stuff that either makes me want to die laughing, or feel very bad for the amount of chumps that seem to post the same questions over and over. I think that some of you that follow this thread are now beginning to understand how it all works, and hopefully when you see other threads on here from AFCs you can give them a little helpful advice on how life really works. I am going to reiterate on the friend zone and how to handle yourself when trying to date, for all those who are needing a new lesson.

The Friend Zone
This has been discussed many times, but for the sake of saving you guys headaches, it boils down to this: You ACT like a friend, you will BE a friend.

If you DISPLAY traits that friends have, she’ll consider you a friend. Notice the use of the word display, not if you tell her you want to be friends. So how do you avoid falling into the friend zone? Well…

You attract her.
So many guys TRY to be friends first, thinking that they’ll advance from there. We all know that doesn’t happen except in movies (think of your odds being the same as winning the lotto).

You remain confident, and don’t let her walk all over you
Friends buy friends stuff. Friends hang out with each other all the time. Friends call each other “just to talk” (if you’re dealing with a girl that is). Friends talk about problems, alpha males don’t! You listen to her problems, you become her friend. This has been discussed before, so I’ll leave it at that.

Dating Vs. Relationships
It’s important to figure out your goals. I’m personally in this for dating right now, and I’m not interested in relationships. I want to perfect my game more and more and worry about relationships when I get older. So what do I do?

I DON’T ACT LIKE I’M IN A RELATIONSHIP WHEN I’M NOT

I don’t date girls on Fridays or Saturdays. I don’t do what they tell me. I don’t spend hours with them. I don’t get together with them more than once, or occasionally twice a week. I don’t call them everyday, I don’t buy them stuff, and I don’t get all emotional.

I act like I’m dating. That means I call her maybe once a week, but only to setup a time to meet. I’m not interested in small talk. It accomplishes nothing over the phone except eliminating kino, eye contact, body language, and mystery. When we do hang out, I keep it short, and leave when things are going good. Think that is odd? Well you would all cry at the amount of tail that I get.

Over Emotional Guys
I almost want to tell you to drop your emotions! Guys that react to quickly are unattractive. Guys that get pissed too easily, or guys that are to sensitive, wtf! Girls don’t like this. You don’t even have to say you’re pissed or yell, a girl can tell by your body language. What you need to do is relax and not let things get to you. If a girl flakes out on you, it’s almost always your fault. You mis-read her, you displayed traits you shouldn’t have, you did something wrong (except the occasional flakes that actually do happen on accident, but VERY rarely). You’re not going to call this girl and bitch at her. You’re going to act alpha. If a girl flakes out on you for coffee, if you’re not ready to NEXT, you wait till the next day in which you call and say:

“Hey (insert girls name here). I know you’re probably upset that I didn't make it yesterday, but my car broke down and I had left my cell phone at home that day. Maybe we can get together early next week?”

Save face, and avoid bitching at her with, “I can’t believe you did that!” or “You really missed out!” which shows her that you’re upset. Obviously won’t do anything for you.

Keep in mind that girls WILL read between the lines. They analyze EVERYTHING! And words are the least analyzed thing. Body language, behavior, tone, attitude, that all gets analyzed more than words. It’s actions that girls look into, so you have to learn to play the game, not talk the game.

These are just some examples to non-verbal things that can put you certain situations you don’t want to be in, then you wonder how you got there. An example of a non-verbal, positive thing is distance flirting.

You distance flirt with a girl. Completely non-verbal, however it puts you in the situation where you have a girl that’s attracted and ANTICIPATING your approach. You don’t walk up to a girl and say, “I’m going to approach you in 5 minutes. Go build up some anticipation before I come back.” You DO SOMETHING to MAKE it HAPPEN! Get it?

Another example: How can you tell a guy is nervous just by observing him? Well, his body language/nervous habits. Pacing, biting of nails, constant fidgeting (especially if he usually doesn’t fidget), etc. So being alpha is really based off of non-verbal communication.

Your posture, your tone, your body language, your EYES, your facial expressions, your walk, your confidence: all non-verbal things that display alpha male qualities, thus categorizing you as an alpha male in her mind.

I could truly go on for hours, but this is an intro that should make you guys aware of the other 90-95% of your game which is the non-verbal part. Pay attention to it, and think of situations where you NEXTed because of your non-verbal communication. You should really pay more attention to what you're REALLY saying by not actually saying anything!

I've always picked up more women when I'm with one or two. The fun part - I walk up and ask her to join myself and my girlfriends, we're having a good time and would love you to join us. Works like a charm, especially if you can manage to dance with all of them at the same time. Eventually, all come by to visit on consecutive nights and don't even care about what's happening with the other 2 - they know each other...always worked for me. I only ask that they be cool with sharing. The ones that have a problem with it get over it the minute they see how the others get treated when we're all together.

I never thought I'd see that day! :lol:

Okay, Plan9, here's a question:

I've been reading this diligently, and I really like some of your ideas. However, here's my situation:

Usually, when approaching girls (or anyone, for that matter), it seems that I come into the situation with TOO MUCH confidence. It's like I act overly aggressive and try to take my place - which just leads them to believe that I'm an overbearing asshole. Oftentimes I've had girls reject me, or even outright hate me, for being "too intense".

The question here is, first, what am I doing wrong? Am I truly imtimidating them? Also, how can I remedy this (is my outward over-convidence stemming from an inward lack of convidence?)? Your advice would be greatly appreciated.

And, once again, thanks for making this thread. :)

That's one shitty retort my Australian buddy. Put some effort in next time.

hey p9, iv read this thread since it pretty much started D:, and i got a question for you

ok this chick mate of mine from last year moved to canada on an exchange for a year, i wasnt that attracted to her but yeah. While she was away, i hooked up with her best mate and went out with her for a while, i broke it off but she still calls me and says she loves me and stuff. When the girl from canada returned i really liked her, she was into all the stuff that i like and has looks like a goddess. I was talking to my x (because we r still awesome friends) and she said that canada girl likes me, and she doesnt have a problem with me being with her. but she said it in a weird way like she didnt mean it and would kick my ass if i ever tried doing anything with her. Iv talked to canada chick alot and she doesnt seem to show any attraction to me, do u think shes doing what you told me to do to her, and getting me to like her more and more D:?

well after this i dont really know what im asking, kinda - do u think i should go ahead?

Well there is a fine line between being an Alpha male and being a jocko obnoxious guy. You are aggressive, and believe me you are ahead of the game. It is harder to learn to be aggressive than to learn to relax a little, so don't worry you are close to your goal. You need to work on your game by concentrating on being a little more mysterious. Keep em wondering if you are into them. Dont make it obvious. Girls don't like what they know they can have easily, they are different then us. Keep reminding yourself this while talking to them in order to keep yourself in check and always ahead of the game.

Don't worry about what they want. Think about what YOU want. If you want it bad enough, you can make it happen (in most cases) if you play it right. If you always think this way, you will get results. I have always been the type of person to walk into any given situation... look around... find the best looking girls and decide which one I want... not which one would want me. Confidence is key, and you cannot live life worrying about whos toes you are stepping on. Go after what you want. Life is short, and regret is the worst thing in our short life. I'd like to know what happens.. keep me updated.

My point is, if you go into a situation, TRYING to make something happen, like full on going in there with full on intentions on your mind, how is the whole "chemistry" stuff meant to happen when you are trying to practically play mind games with a girl, trying to get her to think one thing, but you want another.

And every girl is different, a key to one girls heart, isn't the key to anothers.

How you can say that it will work for practically every girl is ridiculous, I could go up to a girl and say "wanna fuck?" she'd slap me in the face, another girl might say yes and so on.

Every girl is different, and it will take different things to say / do to do whatever you want to do with her...

Im not going to really use any of the advice, except for the "confident" thing, as everyone lacks self esteem pretty much so yeah anyway, that is my opinion, respect it :)

Ok, went to the bar tonight. Right away I spotted the best looking girl there. She was a young girl (just turned 21) and was with her family celebrating a birthday (dunno whos). Anyway, I made my mind up that I wanted her. I noticed that everybody in the bar was staring at her... trying to talk to her every chance they got. What did I do? Well I waited until she made eye contact with me and then I made sure to look away and seem like I wasn't that interested. I continued to play pool, hang out with my friends etc... I later made it a point to get friendly with her not so pretty friends. About an hour into the night, I could tell this girl couldn't understand why I wasn't coming after her like everybody else in the bar was. By now, her friends and family thought I was cool and they decided they were going to go to another bar to check it out. Before they left, I said to the hot one, "Hey, you friends with these girls? My name is Eric, where you taking off to?" She responded, "We are going to go check out (insert bar here)." I said, "No use going there, I'm here. Come back here when you get bored of that dive." She lauged and they left. About 2 hrs later she shows up again. Walks up to me and starts initiating the conversation. I told her I was taking off and it was nice meeting her. She said, "Wait, can I get your number to maybe hang out sometime?".

Money. This girl was absolutely a goddess, yet I made it seem as if I was not that interested... she wasn't used to that. My friends jaws were dropped at this tonight because they thought she was insanely hot, but they always seem to enjoy my antics. Will she call? Who cares... there are always others. Keep those expectations higher then you should and you will accomplish things you never thought possible.

You are absolutely struggling with trying to make your pont, but you are coming short. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for your inadequacies, but thats just my opinion. Good luck in your endeavours;).

I understand the party and bar pickups.

But in random situations when you chat with a girl for a few minutes and leave (to act mysterious), how do you get their number to chill with them in the future?

Or do you just go for it upon the first conversation?

Always ask for their phone number. If they won't give it to you right away or make excuses, forget em and move on.

Okay, let's do a post New Year's update, shall we?

First, I took Plan9's advice: acted more mysterious, made eye contact (which is very hard, considering most people don't look you in the eye anymore), actually tried interesting conversation. It worked. Girl became interested.

However, I had to leave said party early. And me, being, well, me, never got around to asking her for her number. Which means, naturally, that my best friend got with her after my departure. No big deal, just one female out of many, but nonetheless, I fell like an idiot.

My point it this...your advice does work. I just need more resolve and more practice. I still have issues with a definite fear of rejection - my Resolution this year is to get rid of those. Will definately keep you posted.

And, as always, thanks for the advice.

New years wrap up.

Acted too interested. The girl was an 8 and i gave too many compliments. I know i was in with a chance but acted a too needy. Was however a learning experience :).

Alright...this is my first post, and I visit the boards very infrequently. Be that as it may, this thread has captured my attention. I'd just like to throw in the fact that I met the girl I'm with now without using any of the above rules, or hints, or whatever you want to call them. I met her thorough work, which just goes to show that bars aren't the only answer. I like to keep myself clean and neat, as anyone should, really, but I wouldn't say that I dress as sophisticatedly as is recommended here. I like to dress fairly casually, so I do. I just feel more comfortable. Of course my clothes are clean, appropriate (no track pants people), and don't clash or anything. But I certainly don't go to the trouble of matching my socks to my vest, or whatever I'm supposed to do. I don't go the gym or work out on anything approaching a regular basis. Which isn't to say I'm overweight, I like to keep active and keep myself busy, but I'm not built by any sense of the word. Rather skinny in fact. Turns out she's not that attracted to muscular guys. Yes, there are some girls like that out there. When I met her, I just treated her as I would anyone else. I thought of her as a friend, and didn't worry about the impression I was making or whether she was interested or not. I was just confident and acted the way I always do. Like myself. Eventually she decided she'd better give me her email. Then her phone number. Heck, why doesn't she invite me over for dinner? From there on it's all roses. What's the secret formula? There is none. Not every girl is going to like you or be interested in you. Yeah, you might stand a chance of getting into her pants if you put on this sort of elaborate ruse, as Plan9 suggests, but is it really worth your time and energy to get closer to someone who isn't actually interested in the real you? Do what makes you happy, what you feel comfortable with. That will make you more confident. If you are more confident, there's no need to act it out to convince others. And if there's one thing everyone can agree on, confidence is sexy. So: don't twist your head in a knot worrying, have patience and persistence, go with the flow, treat everyone with the same respect you'd like for yourself, and never discount a possibility. Usually the best prospects are staring you right in the face without you knowing it.

P.S. Oh, and sleep soundly knowing that there ARE girls out there who will love you because you're a warm, funny, intelligent guy, and not just sleep with you because you have nice abs and a Brad Pitt voice.

This is my first post, but i've been browsing the boards and especially this thread ( ;)) for some time now ... and there's some great advice here, which I actually wanted to use on new years eve... but i didn't need it... somehow...

Anyway, I've been at a friends party and then, only some minutes into the new year, i overheard a conversation between some friends and this pretty looking girl.
I kinda burst into that conversation, talked a little with her (only a few sentences, really), then sat down... talked some more (again, really short... and mostly rubbish, because i was somewhat drunk) and then found myself making out with her...

I can't really explain that... I think, that either both of us were somewhat drunk, or she just wanted me to shut up and saw only this one option... ;)

We later made out two more times and i ended up getting her number...

Well, this is it... just comment, if you want... ;)

"but is it really worth your time and energy to get closer to someone who isn't actually interested in the real you?"

I think the advice is given to get closer to someone in the sack than in a relationship. I could be wrong but that is what I got from it. And if it is just to get your nut off than who really cares if its the real you, fake you, or whatever you.

Well, I jumped in this thread pretty late. I like your views Plan9, really breaking down the games people play into little pieces that make sense. Anyways, question for ya: I'm currently in college, and live in a dorm. I am the outgoing type, so I know everybody on the floor. As you could guess, there are a few smokin' hotties, but they all have long time boyfriends, so i've settled on becoming friends with them. This works out better than expected, because I can meet other girls, and just when they get interested, I go and just start talking and laughing with these gorgeous girls, none the wiser. Do you think they would get angry if I asked them to come out with me in order to hook up with other girls? There are a few girls I know that I do this with on a regular basis, but I've known them much longer than a few months. What are good guidelines to follow when you have to choose between friends and your own interests?

jmad:
1) Don't become friends with girls you want to fuck
2) Don't become friends with girls you want to fuck
3) See 1 & 2

I also dont post here very often but I feel that i need to here.

LiquidSquid- i know exactly what you mean. I think that Plan9's advice is base more towards getting hookups than long lasting relationships.

Plan9- I've tried your advice and its gotten me plenty of hookups which are nice and all, but right now I'm looking for a real relationship and it just wont happen with any of the girls im meeting with your advice.

back to LS, what you have said about getting to know the girls, i feel is greatly important if you plan to be in a relationship.

whatever....i'm still living by the guide plan 9
tried a few of your tactics on new years eve....tried to make myself seem not interested, tried to be the funny guy...and hell, I fell asleep with one of the girls at the party right next to me
it was kinda easy though, cause we all slept in the basement and there were like 25 people there

anyways, these are all well and good, but I have another issue on my hands. there's a girl that I know that I think likes me, and I could probably get something going with her if I wanted to
i'm kinda in the friend zone right now, but not really, because although I spend a lot of time with her, it's more objective time and NOT time where we have long conversations about anything and I agree with everything she says and all that stuff that leads to one-itis(unlike the stuff my friends do, haha)....I basically haven't shown any interest in her much, but I hear things about her and all
only problem is, if I screw things up with her, it will not be good for some other things because I will be seeing her around for the next 3 or so years a LOT
in fact, i'll be seeing her about 2 hours a day during the weekdays for the next 2 months (don't ask why, or pm me and i'll tell you and maybe you can help me more)
what should I do? basically right now I have been letting her figure things out for herself and if something happens, it happens
oh yeah, and she's an 8 or a 9 on the scale

hey dont get down on yourself. sometimes even I fuck up and fall into this trap. It happens to the best of us and only practice makes the technique perfected ;).

I love it! Good job. Do you remember using any of my shiz to score?

The info in here definately will get you laid, however; it will also open the door to a relationship if you want it. I am teaching you how to have an "edge up" and if some of you want that edge then I hope you can take some of what I have said and use it. I hope I dont come across as some guy who doesn't appreciate a great relationship. I just know that women are difficult and there are certain things that we can do as men that will give us a leg up on the competition, and believe me you are in a game whether you want to play it or not.

Oh hell yes take advantage of those female friends! I, myself, have a few girls that I go out with that are just friends. I am lucky because a few of these girls are strippers and are smokig hot. When I show up at clubs or bars with them, other girls can't help but look at me. They wonder what it is that I have that is making these hot girls hang out with me. Anytime I can have girl "friends" hang out, I always invite them and always appreciate them more then having my guy friends around. I have met far more women hanging out with girl "friends" than hanging with guy friends.

I am a little buzzed so I hope I am understanding your post correctly. I saw a responce from another person saying "dont be friends with somebody you wanna bang", so I hope I didn't totally misread your post.... because I am a FIRM advocate in the fact that you should NEVER become "friends" with women you want to fuck.

You are being vague, so PM me if you want to explain better to me. Ugh, I really shouldnt be replying while drunk.. I can't seem to comprehend the replies :(. I should go to bed :p. I met and hooked up with an 8 on my scale tonight and was quite impressed with how aggressive she was, and to tell you the truth I am very intrigued by this one. Anyhow, she wants to see me tomorrow and I am actually wanting to see her (her girlfriend cockblocked me while I was hooking up with her by her car... she said "we gotta go", so it kinda fucked up my time and I want to see more of her) so I need to get my beauty sleep. I will try to check this thread out tomorrow night (if I dont take her home).

I am curious how old you are Plan9. I hope for my self esteem's sake that you are well into your late 20s or 30's even. Great advise, i have not a single disagreement.

Yeah, I guess I used something from all lessons, but I especially put that "Party Lesson" to use...

This stuff is really good and entertaining... great service.
I'm looking forward to more lessons...

aghh just a quick gripe here. If you're (a girl) going to a New Years Eve party, or even a party in general, with your boyfriend and all, remember to bring some of your friends!
Cause normally New Years is good for me and all, but this time, there where about 10 girls or so at this party and another 20 guys (only a smallish party of friends), but all the girls had boyfriends, there as well, so it was a crock really :(

And it was funny, cause we actually found some other girls down the street, after new years and all, and they claimed to be 17. Although we later found out they were 14 and after one of my friends kissed one of them. Damn that was funny. Glad i didn't try anything, but i was skeptical anyway, even with the beer googles :D
So a bit more selflessness woukld be good :p :D

i am also a little drunk at the moment, so i apologise in advance :D

27 :(

But if you met me you would swear I act 18 :p :eek:

Wow, one of my first times at this forum, and this is the tread that I stumbled upon. I want to take you up on that challenge you mentioned earlier... I just wish I would have came here before the winter vacation for all the students! This is good timing for me because I was planning on going around tomorrow and make an attempt at "female hunting". Well after reading all 7 pages of this thread, I really am filled with confidence. Today is the 5th (its 2AM haha) I will go out later today and try this stuff at local shopping areas and I will post my experience. This is a pretty cool little deal you got goin on as far as everybody talkin and giving each other support. I kinda like it! Anyway we'll see how it works out, I'll keep you guys posted.

27? So there is hope for me then. Well assuming you were at some point a insecure AFC like me.:hmm:

Good work, the stories are always a good read.

Hmm, today I went out and basically tried to find some chicks that were around. I managed to strike up some conversations with the not too hot ones, but I did wuss out on the ones I really wanted. I had the PERFECT oppourtunity and I BLEW IT TOTALLY today at the mall. The woman FOLLOWED ME after she saw me, walked right beside me, and then walked into a men's clothing store with me and I was too much of a pussy to say anything to her. She was a woman in her 20's, (I'm 18). I'm practically kicking my own ass because of this. Tomorrow I'm going out again, and the next day, and the next. I will get this down. So tomorrow I'll post my experience. BAHHH!!! I'm going to set a goal. Get rejected at least twice a day. That way ill have been rejected 60 times at the end of the month and I will be immune. Ok so like I said, I'm going to try and follow through with my plans and post what goes down.

IMHO:
Most important thing: BE FUCKING INTERESTING. If you're a good looking dummy, you'll have some success, but not as much as an average-looking interesting person. Before arguing with me on this one, who got more-- Eddie Vedder or one of the Backstreet Boys? Another way to say the same thing: Interesting people are *much* more likely to want to hook up with other interesting people. Who would you rather have?

Bob

Your post made me smile :). You have the perfect attitude about this. Keep trying and embrace the rejections. Remember... even if you look like Brad Pitt, you would still get rejections. Being able to handle them and keep your head up afterwards is what will seperate you from the normal AFC. Can't wait to hear more of your attempts.

Most of us are or go through the insecure AFC phase. I seem to have it happen to me after a breakup with a girl. Trying to get used to being back in the single scene takes some work to get used to, but thankfully I always put my ideas into effect and I get back into the swing of things quickly.

Ok, well I have been neglecting the thread lately but I have been getting a lot of PMs from people who apparantly are reading this (i wish you would all post here so others can learn as well) so at least I know my efforts in posting aren't wasted.

Well, in my life I have been hanging out with that girl I mentioned a few posts above. I gave her an 8 on my scale based on first impression. Now that I have been spending time with her, I have to move her up to a 9. This girl is phenomenal, even on my standards. I have pics of her and would love to share them with you but I would have to run that by her and I don't want her to know that I have a computer geek side to me just yet ;). Don't worry about your professor, I won't have one-itus with this one, however; she is definately somebody I will be spending more time with in the future (you would understand if you met her). Hope everybody is gaining confidence and putting forth an effort to be more aggressive. Keep the stories coming, I really enjoy reading them.

-p9

Something funny happened yesterday. I was at my friends coffee shop, and these three girls walk in and they are checkin me out. So I go and sit at the table next to them and they turn around and I start flirting with the 3 of them. The one chick in the middle is the hottest, so of course I don't concentrate on her. They make jokes about staring at my crotch (apparently they noticed I went commando that day) and then the hot one said something about how she lies. I say I don't like liars and then she quickly changes her attitude and is like "No I'm kidding I only tell the truth." and the other chicks were like ya ur just saying that to get in his pants, ect ect. Anyway I decide to leave them while the conversation is good, and I go and plop down a paper, take out my pen, and go to the hottest chick and say "Hey, write your number down and we can continue this conversation later." When I said this, one of the other girls was like, "Dude, do you know how old she is?" And they told me she was 14. I was like holy crap! She wouldnt give me her number of course, and I wouldn't fuck a 14 year old anyway cause that is a sure ticket to jail. (I'm 18) So basically, that was kinda funny. Damn teens look so old now, it's all the hormones they are pumping into beef.

Dude, you are classic. You are playing this perfect. I especially liked this:
G'damn I feel like I wanna hug you haha. You actually are reminding me of how I would have done it. Who cares if she was 14 or 50, the fact is you are practicing perfecting your game and you are doing a great job too! Keep it up, your story made my night :)

Just discovered this thread, lots of great stuff. Here's a story about something that happened to me recently. I've been hanging out with this one girl...she's about a 4, so I'm not at all interested in her sexually, but I didn't let that stop me from working on my game. She developed a crush on me...then, New Year's Eve, I met her hottie friend. When this girl saw how much her friend was into me, she couldn't help but compete...and I ended up taking her home. I never would have expected it, but I got an 8 by working a 4.

Have a question for you guys...

Met this girl from tuttle, which is a town about an hour away from me. Really hot girl, nice too. After a week of not calling her (I was the one calling her usually) , she text me:

"Hey guy! I hope ur phone doesn't go off! But I have a question. What are you doing tomorrow?"

Text 2:

"HEEEY! Lol, well, why? it's cuz my friends and i are going 2 the movies and I want u 2 meet 1 of my friends! So write me if you get this, if not call me l8r"

I can't text, so I haven't responded yet, nor have I called, but I will. Question is, do you think she's trying to set me up with another girl? After all, it could just mean that she was talking to one of her friends about how she liked me, and that friend told her that she wanted to meet me to see what I was about.

I've only met the girl once for like an hour or two, and she's already told me that she's attracted to me and my personality, but I'm just curious if she didn't want to pursue, or maybe she likes another guy now.

Any ideas? Thanks all.

Hahaha, unlikely, but you might be lucky and being set up for a threesome ^_^

Hey, I got a number around lunch time today. It was from a gal that I knew in highschool. In highschool, she thought I was a total pansy, she even wrote in my yearbook that she was more of a man than I was. After many months of not seeing her, today I walk into a sandwich shop and see her behind the counter, and I put on an attitude of indifference towards her. She asks me a million questions about what I've been up to, and I answer them but keep the indifferent attitude towards her. I make fun of the fact that she is asian and therefore she can't see too well (slanty eyes) and then tell her that's why she's too slow at making my sandwich. After she hurries up and finishes it, she tells me its the best sandwich that I'll have ever eaten, and after I eat it, I say eh, it was ok. I then plop down one of the menus, take out my pen, and tell her to put down her number, which she grabs and writes down quickly for me. Maybe she has had a change of heart towards me? We shall see. Time to go and get more numbers! Muhahaha! Later

ahaha.. i love your technique.

ok update.... I just jumped into the sorority pool!!! I am in a fraternity at school (been in for 4 yrs), I am a senior and well since my major is civil engineering and i dont get out much (too much damn studying).

well... I finally was able to set up a schedule allowing me to stay out late on thursdays and interact with all the sorority girls before their respective meetings

So... lets see... for some odd reason i must be giving off a confidence vibe cause I talked to at least 4 or 5 sorority chicks (3 of them were in the same sorority). I gave one my email... I gave the other my number and the others i wasnt too interested in but I kept a very nice repretoire with. (i will see them plenty of other times)... so.. I was talking with one on the phone, and we will chill sometime in the near future... and the others we will wait to see...

The boss's daughter (if you read my thread) i decided to just be friends with... Its just too much to get involved in right now.. and i dont want a girlfriend

Another girl i was talking to before... we still talk, we will meet up eventually.. she is VERY nice and great personality... definitly girlfriend material... so i am taking my sweet old time with her... cause she's not a girl i would just mess around with and blow her off...

and of course... my ex... still involved in my life... we still talk, we still see each other... and we still are intimate with each other... I dont know how long i should continue this because too much emotions are involved (mine and hers)...

well... i REALLY hope i dont get into a pickle here... i mean, how many girls is too many girls to talk to at once? man... im giving myself a headache... and needless to say I MUST concentrate in school... but on a good note I am confident and it is showing

well thats where i am at right now....

Hopefully you got THEIR emails and numbers too. If you just give your number to a chick, and she doesn't give hers to you, the chances are that you are goin' no where buddy. Thats why I just put out a paper and a pen and say "write your number down for me".

this is good advice. i never call boys unless it's to call them back and verify plans. boys' numbers go in my circular files, usually. hehe.

Wow a female actually admitting I am pretty accurate in my postings :). Who woulda thought it? Thanks!

yea... i got there contact info too... one i got her email/IM and the other i got her phone number

besides... they asked for my info...

In my opinion, the internet is bad for dating. Call the girl who's number you got, and email the other if you're interested in her and ask for her number in the email. Don't get stymied in a weird email/IM 'relationship.' It's a good way for things to get strange or for one or the other of you to fall into the dreaded friend trap. Move to phone and then to hanging out in person as quickly as possible.

And a lot of what you say is accurate, Plan9. Women are often overly sensitive about the realities of dating/mating. It is a game, but I think it's a fun game!

Interestingly, I function under the assumption that men want what they can't have, which seems to be the opposite of your...erm...teachings. So I think people in general want what they can't have, and whoever remains more elusive will have the upper hand in the relationship. This is usually me, as I'm very hard to get ahold of. Maybe this makes me an insensitive bitch, but I really enjoy the somewhat adversarial, strategizing elements of dating.

The same applies to women as well

Right, that's what I said in the very next sentence.

That's so true about the email/IM relationship thing. That happened to me in the summer and ruined it for me with a gal because I would talk to her way too much on the internet and that shoved me into the ever so lovely "friend zone".

To give an intro, in the past 6 years, I've probably been met with rejection 25-30 times (I'm decently open and forward). I had a rare "accident" (as it's been called) and dated a girl for 9 months last year.

Plan9, I guess I'm still wondering about the meeting people phase though. I usually spend a lot of time hanging out with friends, going to classes, and participating in several organizations.

My friends are great, but there's not often new people. In the rare case that there are new people at a get-together (which I usually host), it's somewhat awkward to talk to them in a room full of close friends.

As for organizations, student government usually seems to be filled with good-looking girls, but they're usually stuck-up and a limited number that are available (though that hasn't stopped me from trying). Another group is a small political organizations with very few girls and very few new people. The radio station where I work seems to bring out skanky/ugly chicks. I guess my best bet is a group of 50-60 that fluctuates a bit.

As for class, there are only so many girls that you can really meet and want to ask out in a semester. I usually go into each semester fairly confident and come out the other side with 3-4 rejections. Do you have any special tips for meeting girls in classes? It's a bit awkward if you're rejected and have to see them every other day for the next few months.

Finally, what are your opinions on "Swingers" and "Roger Dodger"?

There are two girls I have known for a long time (since I was <5 years old) and so they know me pretty well, though we have never hung out together (well, I went to a movie with one). So, both of them know that I'm a niceguy, or at least not any kind of PUA. But, both of them have shown interest in me recently. I don't think that they are interested in just sex, since they know me and my personality, but they are both going to college out of state. So we couldn't have a relationship either.
I'm expecting to hear from one of them (the one I saw a movie with), the other probably not, we only see each other at family get-togethers etc.
I know pretty much how I will talk and progress with the one who will call me, but any ideas why she told me "I wish I had asked you out before", knowing she would only be around for another month before moving far away? The other, I have no idea how to get in touch with her other than calling her home and telling her parents to have her call me next time she's home from school.. I would just call her and ask her out if she lived here, but how can I get her attention without suggesting to her that I will wait for her to call me until she isn't at school, and be available for her schedule?

Plan9, I must say, that your posts are pure money. (sorry, I just saw "Swingers" and can't quit saying that) Regardless of your personal feelings on this subject, there is no arguing that you know your stuff, and that this is a good thread.

I've always been the guy that's getting some, but in the context of a very serious long term relationship. I don't sell myself as an attractive guy (I'm not) and I've never had an interest in "playing the field" (until recently).

Therefore, your advice is very interesting, and as I've been hitting the bars and such more lately I've had the chance to see these rules used, and I've seen these rules abused.

For it's intended purpose (meeting multiple women with the intent of sex), game like this can help a cat out.

Up until about 1 month ago, I kinda figured that the girl I was with would be the last (I was going to propose this spring), but out of no where that ended, and I'm slowly starting to change my view on sex and dating, so it seems I've found your guide at the perfect time!

I don't really desire to be a "player", per se, but the many of your "lessons" are just good advice for being a good conversationalist, especially with women. Doing things like "nouning" and maintaining control of the situation will help in any situation, even if you're just looking for a female friend, or a serious relationship.

One thing I've learned in my life (I've worked as a semi-professional chef and a "trained sales representative", aka, telemarketer for charities), is that presentation is what sells the product. Of course the "product" here isn't an expertly prepared creme brulee or a yearly sponsorship for the Fraternal Order of Police, it's you. You won't make a first impression with a "super interesting" life and diverse interests. You will make a first impression with your appearance and your openings. Once you've got your foot in the door, you can show your great personality. To continue the gastronomic analogy, it doesn't matter how great that creme brulee looks, if it tastes like swine and boot leather, the person on the receiving end is still going to 86 it. So to use another strange metaphor, there's no use in having a cool facade, if there isn't a nice house behind it.

To boil it all down and skim off the jacked up comparisons:

It's not always about changing what you've got to offer, it's about changing how your offer it.

Just wanted to point out that even the guys who dig the long-term monogamous game can learn a few things from this thread.

I just read this thread today and wow, Plan9 knows his sh!t. Like everything he said I have observed in other people. Everything he says to do I've seen guys do and get all the girls. IMO, he is totally on the spot. I'll have to use some of this advice (i'm a wuss, IW for some time now). I have noticed that after working out a bit that I seem to react better in situations with hot girls when improving things to say. I have no idea if it is related to working out but I intend to keep doing it just incase.

As you all know by now, I don't always check this thread daily. I like to wait a week... read what people say... then respond when necessary. I will have replies for the above posters, however, when I got home I skimmed this thread and really liked your quote majik_6! "It was so money and you don't even know it" ;). I just had to tell you that.

I'll be back here soon to respond n' stuff :).

good, this thread needs a bump :)

I must say, I haven't exactly used these techniques as they're intended, but in the last few days I've been implementing the basics (smiling, being a little cocky/funny, nouning, eye contact) and not only have I struck up a lot of great conversations with girls that usually wouldn't give me the time of day, but one of my profs seems to like me a lot more!

I'm starting to unleash the Alpha Male inside (in a good way), and although I don't have the "look" of someone that a girl would want to hook up with, it has made me more confident, and people seem to respond better.

*edited because I solved the problem myself. Thanks for nothing.

Yeah Plan9 seems like the AMOG (Alpha Male Other Guy) from hell, well except that he helps out all the recovering chumps.

My golden rule is: "it is a privilege to be in my presence and to be talking to me" if you follow that mindset a lot of confidence will come from it, confidence not arrogance a difference does exist.

Alpha males are no match for smart girls. And I prefer them, not because of some ridiculous James Dean fantasy, but because I prefer not to have to worry about nursing someone's fragile ego.

I read the Taming of the Shrew this week for a class, and the discussion we had about it made me think of this thread. The play is much more satisfying, romantic, and makes more sense when read as a comment on how romance/courtship should be than as a question of male domination or not.

Oh man, you would have loved it tonight. The girl I have been hanging out with invited me to go to a bar with her. I show up and she is spending a little more time talking to other guys at the club instead of me (i believe she was trying to get me jealous). How did I respond? Well I found the best looking girl in the place and walked over and started talking to her. I ended up spending the rest of the night bullshitting with her as the girl I have been hanging out with didn't know what the fuck hit her. The new girl went to the bathroom as the one I met there was leaving... some words were exchanged and they started getting into it... arguing to the point that I thought they were going to fight. The girls got seperated and I exchanged numbers with the new one as she left. It felt like being in that show "singled out" where the dumb girls fight over the guy. Anyhow, the point is... I had the two hottest girls in the club (and believe me they had all the guys wanting them) fighting over me. Why? They could have had any guy in the place if they wanted. The thing is that I exuded so much confidence that both were willing to "mark their territory" even though both don't even know me well. I come home right now (3:00 AM) and I have a message on my phone from both girls :lol:. The beauty of it is that both girls saw that there was another girl who was hot that wanted me and girls inherantly want to be the girl that wins. Example: watch any of those cheesy dating shows and even if the main guy is some tool that isn't even good looking, they will fight it out just to be "the winner". There really isn't any lesson or point to this story, it is just a story of what happened tonight and I felt like sharing :p. Hope you all had a good weekend, I sure did ;).

Hahaha plan9, you're the fuckin man.

I've had a couple of hot girls chasing me lately after taking heed of some of your advice, it actually all makes quite a lot of sense now that I've seen it in action.

I will keep you posted on progress :P

@Plan9
haha, thats funny. Same sorta thing happened to me in the first year of uni, albeit the girls weren't really attractive or too interesting...so nothing really came out of that :eek: :(
Maybe you could suggest to them that they both can win or draw ;)

hmmm, it seems, recently, every girl (who i get interested in) has a boyfriend...

Anyway, recently, for some reason, i've had some trouble sustaining the usual chit-chat and small talk. i don't know why though... i gotta get back into normal things people talk about, before i get into too much weird observational analytical stuff, as that's probably a little absurd and overbearing :|

Plan9, congratulations on the success. Is there any chance you can bestow more advice upon us? (I've been waiting over a week here)

Hey, it's 5 a.m., and I have to get up in 6 hours, but I thought I might as well share my success story for all you kids out there. After a long winter break filled with dumb high school girls and ugly college drop outs, I'm finally back at school. Last night, partied with all my friends, and was drinking until 4 in the morning. Tonight, I was planning to take it easy, when all of a sudden my friend invites me to a small party, many of whom I know. There is a very cute girl there I didn't know, so i put plan9's commandments into action. Said hi to her, flashed her a few smiles to show interest, and the second she started smiling back, I would start talking to the other girls at the party, joking and touching them. She obviously noticed, because as the night wore on and the numbers thinned out, she started getting very close to me. This is when me and my friend(last two guys there) said we were going to leave. She follows, and so I make my move and walk her home. It's fucking freezing here, so I kind of bitch about freezing my ass off while walking home. She invites me in, and we hang out for about an hour(I kinda jammed up here, coulda made a move, but I'm new at this so I played it safe). I get her phone number, a date for later this week, and a kiss goodnight. Not bad for a freshman guy in college, considering she was a very cute (7ish) junior. I must say, plan9, you know what you are talking about, and I'm shooting 100% while following your advice. Can't wait to see where this one goes....