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stevie667 · 07-07-2005, 02:50 PM

Heres a pic from BBC with times of the blasts.

Edit: We brits are used to terrorism, it's happened many many times before here. We'll stop our complaining, pick up our briefcases, help the wounded then bitch slap the people who did it.

powerclown · 07-07-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel_

And in common with oter posters, I used to live just by Russel Square. Every day I walked past the bombsite. London is just as much MY city as it is anyones - and nobody has any right to bomb it.

It's crappy and grim in parts, and we might hate each other at times, but it's OURS and frankly, if anyone is going to trash the place it should be US.

I see some foreign news sites talking about how stunnning it is tat the Londoners picked themselves up, brushed the broken glass out of their hair, found their bags and walked through the crowds to get to work.

What else would you have us do? Nobody's helped by people standing round whining about how they'll be late home. People get on with stuff. It's how London works. It's why we had the largest and most peacefull empire the world ever saw. It's why people think Brits can't emote - "stiff upper lip".

People get on with life, and refuse to give up on normality.

The only way you'll get most Londoners to stop getting on is to nail them into a box.

And then put something heavy on the box.

And bury it.

Unless there's sport on the TV, then they all stay home and phone in sick.

I'd give you a giant fucking kiss on the cheek right now if I could.

WELL SAID!!!

pan6467 · 07-07-2005, 03:09 PM

Today, my heart goes out to my brethren and sisters in the U.K and around the world that may have lost loved ones or had loved ones maimed.

There is no excuse for this nor is there reason beside someone wanting to cause great harm to innocents.

Today and tomorrow is a day for all to share the tears, the heartfelt sadnesses and the laughter from the memories of the lost loved ones.

After the mourning, we can come out with resolve and find ways to strike back and take out those responsible.

In the coming days, there will be much political grandstanding and sides accusing each other, but we cannot allow our focus to be taken off the cruelty and evilness of those truly responsible. We cannot fight ourselves and divide our houses anymore, the terrorists, the cowards, the evil feasts on that, relies on that and wants that.

It's like the Star Trek episode where the little lighty thing watched as the Federation and Klingons fought on the Enterprise, to where noone truly died they would get back up and fight more. The lighty thing fed on it until Kirk and the Klingon commander realized they had to make peace with each other and fight the true enemy.

Perhaps, that is a bad, or sophomoric analogy, but it is one desperately needed to help remind us who and what we truly want to strike back at....... not ourselves, not divide our house....... instead unite, find compromise and then show the only weakness we have is that of compassion for days like today.

Let us show the resolve of understanding the other side, let us be like the Kirk and the Klingons, and show these people that the more we are attacked the closer we become and the stronger our resolve becomes to find those responsible and bring them to justice......

Without division, without fear the terrorists can never win. With division, inner turmoil and bitterness in our house.... the terrorists feast and thrive.

Which do you choose?

ForgottenKnight · 07-07-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

Today, my heart goes out to my brethren and sisters in the U.K and around the world that may have lost loved ones or had loved ones maimed.

There is no excuse for this nor is there reason beside someone wanting to cause great harm to innocents.

Today and tomorrow is a day for all to share the tears, the heartfelt sadnesses and the laughter from the memories of the lost loved ones.

After the mourning, we can come out with resolve and find ways to strike back and take out those responsible.

In the coming days, there will be much political grandstanding and sides accusing each other, but we cannot allow our focus to be taken off the cruelty and evilness of those truly responsible. We cannot fight ourselves and divide our houses anymore, the terrorists, the cowards, the evil feasts on that, relies on that and wants that.

It's like the Star Trek episode where the little lighty thing watched as the Federation and Klingons fought on the Enterprise, to where noone truly died they would get back up and fight more. The lighty thing fed on it until Kirk and the Klingon commander realized they had to make peace with each other and fight the true enemy.

Perhaps, that is a bad, or sophomoric analogy, but it is one desperately needed to help remind us who and what we truly want to strike back at....... not ourselves, not divide our house....... instead unite, find compromise and then show the only weakness we have is that of compassion for days like today.

Let us show the resolve of understanding the other side, let us be like the Kirk and the Klingons, and show these people that the more we are attacked the closer we become and the stronger our resolve becomes to find those responsible and bring them to justice......

Without division, without fear the terrorists can never win. With division, inner turmoil and bitterness in our house.... the terrorists feast and thrive.

Which do you choose?

WELL PUT!

lukethebandgeek · 07-07-2005, 06:27 PM

I felt bummed this whole morning when I found out about all this. Kings Cross was my station when I stayed in London last Summer.

I've never been to New York, or Madrid, so those never felt real to me, but London hurts a bit more, knowing that I've seen it, know that it is in fact a real place, where real people were killed because some nutcase decided that they should.

I sleep more soundly knowing that hell or torment or at least another sixty or so lives exist for the bastards who do these things.

maleficent · 07-07-2005, 06:54 PM

OK, so I have to apologize before saying this because, the twisted part of my sense of humor finds it funny, and I know if it were me, I would be laughing...

Heard on the news tonite, that the bus that was bombed, actually had a bunch of passengers that were evacuated from the subway station that was bombed...

How much has that got to suc... you are on your way to work, and theres an explosion... you're a trooper and you carry on and hop on the bus so you can go to work, now the bus that you are on gets bombed.. Umm... Imagine those poor people who got bombed twice.. If it were me, I'd swear it was fate and never go to work again...

clavus · 07-07-2005, 07:12 PM

Ya. That's the kind of BS that would happen to me. Then I'd get run over by an ambulance.

Mephisto2 · 07-07-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by clavus

England is a tough old broad. You think a couple of little bombs are going to change anything in England? This isn't Spain. The English aren't going to run away. They're going to carry on exactly as they did before the bombings. Oh, and they are going to firmly, but politely kick your miserable, cowadly asses.

Whilst I agree with the sentiments supporting the English people, and Londoners in particular, I think the above comment is a bit unfair to the Spanish.

The Socialist Party, led by José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, had already publicly stated that if elected they would withdraw from Iraq. Opinion polls put them in front before the election. Majority opinion in Spain was against the war.

Of course, the SP gained a greater majority that they would otherwise have enjoyed, primarily due to the mishandling of the case by Aznar, and his lame attempts to blame ETA, but that's not the same as accusing the entire Spanish people of "running away."

If that's the case, I could accuse the Americans of running away from peasant "terrorists" in Vietnam.

I won't, because it's stupid and untrue. Draw your own conclusions and parallels.

Mr Mephisto

analog · 07-07-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by zen_tom

I think London and the people of London should be proud of their calm, steadfast and pragmatic response to real crisis, and for getting things working again so quickly after a coordinated attempt to disrupt.

It's nice to talk about how quickly they responded, perhaps as a comparison to how NYC responded to the terrorist attack on 9/11, but there are two important things to note: 50 tops people dead in london vs several thousand in NYC... three trains and a bus vs 4 planes, two 100-story skyscrapers... I think it's more than fair to say the scale isn't quite the same at all.

...but the biggest note I'd make is just that England is just really used to terrorist attacks, and has been around for a VERY long time. London itself has been destroyed and rebuilt several times. The people have great determination and character because it's been forged over time, because they've had to.

Daniel_ · 07-08-2005, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by clavus

Ya. That's the kind of BS that would happen to me. Then I'd get run over by an ambulance.

PMSL.

Poor sod.

Mephisto2 · 07-08-2005, 02:01 AM

Statement from Ken Livingston, Mayor of London.

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"This was a cowardly attack, which has resulted in injury and loss of life. Our thoughts are with everyone who has been injured, or lost loved ones. I want to thank the emergency services for the way they have responded.

Following the al-Qaeda attacks on September 11th in America we conducted a series of exercises in London in order to be prepared for just such an attack. One of the exercises undertaken by the government, my office and the emergency and security services was based on the possibility of multiple explosions on the transport system during the Friday rush hour. The plan that came out of that exercise is being executed today, with remarkable efficiency and courage, and I praise those staff who are involved.

I'd like to thank Londoners for the calm way in which they have responded to this cowardly attack and echo the advice of the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair - do everything possible to assist the police and take the advice of the police about getting home today.

I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a terrorist attack. We did hope in the first few minutes after hearing about the events on the Underground that it might simply be a maintenance tragedy. That was not the case. I have been able to stay in touch through the very excellent communications that were established for the eventuality that I might be out of the city at the time of a terrorist attack and they have worked with remarkable effectiveness. I will be in continual contact until I am back in London.

I want to say one thing specifically to the world today. This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful. It was not aimed at Presidents or Prime Ministers. It was aimed at ordinary, working-class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindu and Jew, young and old. It was an indiscriminate attempt to slaughter, irrespective of any considerations for age, for class, for religion, or whatever.

That isn't an ideology, it isn't even a perverted faith - it is just an indiscriminate attempt at mass murder and we know what the objective is. They seek to divide Londoners. They seek to turn Londoners against each other. I said yesterday to the International Olympic Committee, that the city of London is the greatest in the world, because everybody lives side by side in harmony. Londoners will not be divided by this cowardly attack. They will stand together in solidarity alongside those who have been injured and those who have been bereaved and that is why I'm proud to be the mayor of that city.

Finally, I wish to speak directly to those who came to London today to take life.

I know that you personally do not fear giving up your own life in order to take others - that is why you are so dangerous. But I know you fear that you may fail in your long-term objective to destroy our free society and I can show you why you will fail.

In the days that follow look at our airports, look at our sea ports and look at our railway stations and, even after your cowardly attack, you will see that people from the rest of Britain, people from around the world will arrive in London to become Londoners and to fulfil their dreams and achieve their potential.

They choose to come to London, as so many have come before because they come to be free, they come to live the life they choose, they come to be able to be themselves. They flee you because you tell them how they should live. They don't want that and nothing you do, however many of us you kill, will stop that flight to our city where freedom is strong and where people can live in harmony with one another. Whatever you do, however many you kill, you will fail."

Well said Ken. Well said.

Mr Mephisto

ShaniFaye · 07-08-2005, 02:54 AM

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Finally, I wish to speak directly to those who came to London today to take life.

I know that you personally do not fear giving up your own life in order to take others - that is why you are so dangerous. But I know you fear that you may fail in your long-term objective to destroy our free society and I can show you why you will fail.

In the days that follow look at our airports, look at our sea ports and look at our railway stations and, even after your cowardly attack, you will see that people from the rest of Britain, people from around the world will arrive in London to become Londoners and to fulfil their dreams and achieve their potential.

They choose to come to London, as so many have come before because they come to be free, they come to live the life they choose, they come to be able to be themselves. They flee you because you tell them how they should live. They don't want that and nothing you do, however many of us you kill, will stop that flight to our city where freedom is strong and where people can live in harmony with one another. Whatever you do, however many you kill, you will fail."

I really think this was really really well said

Pacifier · 07-08-2005, 05:34 AM

http://www.werenotafraid.com/

trickyy · 07-08-2005, 08:22 AM

here's a nice gesture

http://gallery.wildfalcon.com/displa....php?&pos=-415

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After the bombings in London I went for a walk into town, where I found this sign outside a resteraunt in Covent Garden...

In case you can't read the picture (its come out a bit small) it says:
"DURING EMERGENCY

Please feel free to come in and stay as long as you like. Join us for tea, soft drinks, coffee, soup on the house"

Cynthetiq · 07-08-2005, 08:39 AM

Finally heard from my mother in law who lives in Greenwich, and she's fine....

rainheart · 07-08-2005, 08:46 AM

Aren't you guys interested in knowing the details of the whole ordeal? I specifically want to know what kind of explosives were used, and exactly where the blasts occured in the underground and some of the reasons as to why those locations where chosen.

But I reiterate, I want to know what kind of explosives were used. (anfo, rdx, c4.. etc)
And I want to know exactly what happened with the stocks or whatever- because I'm in complete ignorance of how that works.

The reason I say that by the way is to try and piece together what kind of organization al qaeda is when it comes to tactics, resourcefulness, etc. - I mean you know that's obviously not my job it's the people investigating the incidents, but it would be good to know.

07-08-2005, 09:00 AM

I'm sure once they figure it out, that information will be made available to the public.

Redlemon · 07-08-2005, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rainheart

Aren't you guys interested in knowing the details of the whole ordeal? I specifically want to know what kind of explosives were used, and exactly where the blasts occured in the underground and some of the reasons as to why those locations where chosen.

But I reiterate, I want to know what kind of explosives were used. (anfo, rdx, c4.. etc)
And I want to know exactly what happened with the stocks or whatever- because I'm in complete ignorance of how that works.

The reason I say that by the way is to try and piece together what kind of organization al qaeda is when it comes to tactics, resourcefulness, etc. - I mean you know that's obviously not my job it's the people investigating the incidents, but it would be good to know.

Keep an eye on DEBKAfile. They are presently saying that the explosives are from Serbia, but didn't say specifically what they were. They have also concluded, based on the timing and size of the explosions, that they were suicide bombers.

trib767 · 07-08-2005, 12:30 PM

Isn't it about time we woke up and stopped building a safe haven for these extremists to develop and thrive ? Time to get serious. Execute Abu Hamza. Deport all radical "muslim clerics". Stop the building of immigrant ghettos: Integrate or Emigrate. We should not have people walking around with black sacks over their heads or other middle eastern dress, we should not have road signs in middle-eastern script.

Stop all this political correctness bollocks and get back to basics. If you're in, you're English. If you don't like that then fuck off home. They say do as the Romans do when in Rome. Well, When in England....

If we don't give them the facilities to hide behind it will make it harder for them. Sure it won't stop everything but it will help to wipe out blatant extremetism.

Sorry for the soap box rant but I was living in NY in 2001 and now I'm home I don't want to see it going to the dogs.

Rdr4evr · 07-08-2005, 01:04 PM

unfortunate for the innocent muslims that will likely be attacked and treated as animals in the same fashion americans treated and continue to treat muslims after 9/11. this is an event that will bring together those who wish to exterminate the 'enemy' and wreak racism and hatred rather than unity and justice as they like to call it. attack innocent countries, murder innocent people, expect retaliation, it's not shocking nor is it surprising. those who wish to exterminate islam are no different than those they condemn. it's awful what happened to the innocent lives lost and injured in these attacks, by innocent i mean those who don't support their corrupt govt. and the backing of the us in iraq. expect more attacks, expect more death, thank the coalition forces. denmark is likely next, would probably make a rather simple target.

hulk · 07-08-2005, 04:45 PM

Why stop at Muslims? Deport all radical people of any form. We can't have non-conformists upsetting the balance. Especially not those Muslims, with their black sacks and all. Living in their poor quality housing, they must secretly be living on high incomes and are able to afford something decent. I'm sure they're all secretly part of a terrorist group, heaven forbid someone from another country that wears strange clothing is an honest-hardworking individual, and proud of their adopted country. Oh, and make matyrs of the ringleaders that are caught. Not enough dead people who's ideals to follow in this world.

Before making broad, knee-jerk reactions, it's good to think about what you say.

Arroe · 07-09-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdr4evr

unfortunate for the innocent muslims that will likely be attacked and treated as animals in the same fashion americans treated and continue to treat muslims after 9/11. this is an event that will bring together those who wish to exterminate the 'enemy' and wreak racism and hatred rather than unity and justice as they like to call it. attack innocent countries, murder innocent people, expect retaliation, it's not shocking nor is it surprising. those who wish to exterminate islam are no different than those they condemn. it's awful what happened to the innocent lives lost and injured in these attacks, by innocent i mean those who don't support their corrupt govt. and the backing of the us in iraq. expect more attacks, expect more death, thank the coalition forces. denmark is likely next, would probably make a rather simple target.

yeah, i guess we should just let them continue to push us around..........

the point is, you can't let things like this stop us from saying "this is not acceptable and if you fuck with us you will pay." terrorists fucked with the US and now they have to pay with the on going war in their back yard. to let these people, or beasts rather, go without punishment for their actions is wrong and unjust to the people who died.

dlish · 07-09-2005, 02:03 AM

when the dust settles, they will want revenge..but against whom? saddams gone..the talibans gone....just woindering who the next target or scapegoat is.

now that al kayda has been broken up (assuming that it actually exists)..just wondering which country or group or fictional character is high on the hitlist.

arroe... to use the word 'unjust' and not think of the death of iraqi children would be a betrayal of the innocents that have died in iraq. justice belongs to both sides. but to wontonly go out looking for bloodthirsty revenge for the sake of quenching that thirst is in itself unjust.

one problem i do have though is that bombings in iraq and afghanistan seem to be a daily occurance and manage to make a small mention in the papers, even though 20, 30 or 40 odd..even 100 odd ppl could lose their lives. but i find one terrorist attack in a wstern country or directed at western tragets and the whole world tunes in. the question i ask is, are people immune to bombings in iraq? or is an iraqi civilians life worth less than that of an american or brit?

Aladdin Sane · 07-09-2005, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdr4evr

unfortunate for the innocent muslims that will likely be attacked and treated as animals in the same fashion americans treated and continue to treat muslims after 9/11. this is an event that will bring together those who wish to exterminate the 'enemy' and wreak racism and hatred rather than unity and justice as they like to call it. attack innocent countries, murder innocent people, expect retaliation, it's not shocking nor is it surprising. those who wish to exterminate islam are no different than those they condemn. it's awful what happened to the innocent lives lost and injured in these attacks, by innocent i mean those who don't support their corrupt govt. and the backing of the us in iraq. expect more attacks, expect more death, thank the coalition forces. denmark is likely next, would probably make a rather simple target.

I without reservation disagree with the spirit and most of the words of this rant. Thank God views like yours didn't prevail in World War II.

Rdr4evr · 07-09-2005, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Arroe

yeah, i guess we should just let them continue to push us around..........

the point is, you can't let things like this stop us from saying "this is not acceptable and if you fuck with us you will pay." terrorists fucked with the US and now they have to pay with the on going war in their back yard. to let these people, or beasts rather, go without punishment for their actions is wrong and unjust to the people who died.

what you seem to forget is that they are the ones who fucked with what you like to call "terrorists" and they are the ones who did the paying, not the other way around. and the US never went to war in the "terrorists" backyard, they went to war in the wrong backyard that had nothing to do with the "terrorists" that attacked on 9/11. i wouldn't call them the beasts, but i would call the coalition the beast for attacking an innocent country killing thousands...the true terrorists. and you're correct, to go without punishment for their actions is wrong and unjust to those that have died, that's why bush, blair and the rest of the war criminals and killers must be brought to justice and punished severely.

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or is an iraqi civilians life worth less than that of an american or brit?

that's exactly what seems to be the case, sadly. clearly the iraqi life was of little value to begin with to many americans considering the support of the war, now that the occupation has been over there for several years, it seems to have become a 'norm' in peoples lives. the iraqi civilian life is certainly worth no less than any other life, and those who think otherwise are delusional racist scum. it is disgusting that when a western life is taken, the whole world is in shock and mourning, yet we have dozens of innocent iraqis dying basically on a daily basis, and we don’t see much shock or sadness over that. yet, if 1 american or brit gets beheaded, you will hear nothing else on the news for several weeks. it's simply a way of dehumanizing the so called "enemy" and making the westerners into saints. we had an attack that killed estimated 40 the other day, that seems to be the average in iraq, and i believe the number of dead in traffic accidents in my state alone daily. it's all fine and dandy to mourn the lives of those lost, but when some get more consideration then others, it's sickening.

Cynthetiq · 07-09-2005, 11:47 AM

I'm sorry this is NOT THE THREAD to espouse your political rhetoric.

I'm trying very hard to understand and be sympathetic your position but this is not the thread for it.

Rdr4evr · 07-09-2005, 12:30 PM

yes, you're correct cynthetiq, i apologize. would it be possible to move it to the london politics thread?

07-07-2005, 02:50 PM	#81 (permalink)
stevie667 Too Awesome for Aardvarks Location: Angloland	Heres a pic from BBC with times of the blasts. Edit: We brits are used to terrorism, it's happened many many times before here. We'll stop our complaining, pick up our briefcases, help the wounded then bitch slap the people who did it. __________________ Office hours have changed. Please call during office hours for more information. Last edited by stevie667; 07-08-2005 at 02:35 AM..

07-07-2005, 03:09 PM	#83 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Today, my heart goes out to my brethren and sisters in the U.K and around the world that may have lost loved ones or had loved ones maimed. There is no excuse for this nor is there reason beside someone wanting to cause great harm to innocents. Today and tomorrow is a day for all to share the tears, the heartfelt sadnesses and the laughter from the memories of the lost loved ones. After the mourning, we can come out with resolve and find ways to strike back and take out those responsible. In the coming days, there will be much political grandstanding and sides accusing each other, but we cannot allow our focus to be taken off the cruelty and evilness of those truly responsible. We cannot fight ourselves and divide our houses anymore, the terrorists, the cowards, the evil feasts on that, relies on that and wants that. It's like the Star Trek episode where the little lighty thing watched as the Federation and Klingons fought on the Enterprise, to where noone truly died they would get back up and fight more. The lighty thing fed on it until Kirk and the Klingon commander realized they had to make peace with each other and fight the true enemy. Perhaps, that is a bad, or sophomoric analogy, but it is one desperately needed to help remind us who and what we truly want to strike back at....... not ourselves, not divide our house....... instead unite, find compromise and then show the only weakness we have is that of compassion for days like today. Let us show the resolve of understanding the other side, let us be like the Kirk and the Klingons, and show these people that the more we are attacked the closer we become and the stronger our resolve becomes to find those responsible and bring them to justice...... Without division, without fear the terrorists can never win. With division, inner turmoil and bitterness in our house.... the terrorists feast and thrive. Which do you choose? __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

07-07-2005, 06:27 PM	#85 (permalink)
lukethebandgeek Chicks dig the Saxaphone Location: Nowheresville OH	I felt bummed this whole morning when I found out about all this. Kings Cross was my station when I stayed in London last Summer. I've never been to New York, or Madrid, so those never felt real to me, but London hurts a bit more, knowing that I've seen it, know that it is in fact a real place, where real people were killed because some nutcase decided that they should. I sleep more soundly knowing that hell or torment or at least another sixty or so lives exist for the bastards who do these things. __________________ Yes, band camp is all it's cracked up to be. So I like Chrono... So what?

07-07-2005, 06:54 PM	#86 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	OK, so I have to apologize before saying this because, the twisted part of my sense of humor finds it funny, and I know if it were me, I would be laughing... Heard on the news tonite, that the bus that was bombed, actually had a bunch of passengers that were evacuated from the subway station that was bombed... How much has that got to suc... you are on your way to work, and theres an explosion... you're a trooper and you carry on and hop on the bus so you can go to work, now the bus that you are on gets bombed.. Umm... Imagine those poor people who got bombed twice.. If it were me, I'd swear it was fate and never go to work again... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

07-07-2005, 07:12 PM	#87 (permalink)
clavus pow! Location: NorCal	Ya. That's the kind of BS that would happen to me. Then I'd get run over by an ambulance. __________________ Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.

07-08-2005, 05:34 AM	#93 (permalink)
Pacifier undead Location: Duisburg, Germany	http://www.werenotafraid.com/ __________________ "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death — Albert Einstein

07-08-2005, 08:39 AM	#95 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	Finally heard from my mother in law who lives in Greenwich, and she's fine.... __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-08-2005, 08:46 AM	#96 (permalink)
rainheart Psycho	Aren't you guys interested in knowing the details of the whole ordeal? I specifically want to know what kind of explosives were used, and exactly where the blasts occured in the underground and some of the reasons as to why those locations where chosen. But I reiterate, I want to know what kind of explosives were used. (anfo, rdx, c4.. etc) And I want to know exactly what happened with the stocks or whatever- because I'm in complete ignorance of how that works. The reason I say that by the way is to try and piece together what kind of organization al qaeda is when it comes to tactics, resourcefulness, etc. - I mean you know that's obviously not my job it's the people investigating the incidents, but it would be good to know.

07-08-2005, 09:00 AM	#97 (permalink)
zen_tom Guest	I'm sure once they figure it out, that information will be made available to the public.

07-08-2005, 12:30 PM	#99 (permalink)
trib767 Crazy Location: London, UK	Isn't it about time we woke up and stopped building a safe haven for these extremists to develop and thrive ? Time to get serious. Execute Abu Hamza. Deport all radical "muslim clerics". Stop the building of immigrant ghettos: Integrate or Emigrate. We should not have people walking around with black sacks over their heads or other middle eastern dress, we should not have road signs in middle-eastern script. Stop all this political correctness bollocks and get back to basics. If you're in, you're English. If you don't like that then fuck off home. They say do as the Romans do when in Rome. Well, When in England.... If we don't give them the facilities to hide behind it will make it harder for them. Sure it won't stop everything but it will help to wipe out blatant extremetism. Sorry for the soap box rant but I was living in NY in 2001 and now I'm home I don't want to see it going to the dogs.

07-08-2005, 01:04 PM	#100 (permalink)
Rdr4evr Banned	unfortunate for the innocent muslims that will likely be attacked and treated as animals in the same fashion americans treated and continue to treat muslims after 9/11. this is an event that will bring together those who wish to exterminate the 'enemy' and wreak racism and hatred rather than unity and justice as they like to call it. attack innocent countries, murder innocent people, expect retaliation, it's not shocking nor is it surprising. those who wish to exterminate islam are no different than those they condemn. it's awful what happened to the innocent lives lost and injured in these attacks, by innocent i mean those who don't support their corrupt govt. and the backing of the us in iraq. expect more attacks, expect more death, thank the coalition forces. denmark is likely next, would probably make a rather simple target.

07-08-2005, 04:45 PM	#101 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	Why stop at Muslims? Deport all radical people of any form. We can't have non-conformists upsetting the balance. Especially not those Muslims, with their black sacks and all. Living in their poor quality housing, they must secretly be living on high incomes and are able to afford something decent. I'm sure they're all secretly part of a terrorist group, heaven forbid someone from another country that wears strange clothing is an honest-hardworking individual, and proud of their adopted country. Oh, and make matyrs of the ringleaders that are caught. Not enough dead people who's ideals to follow in this world. Before making broad, knee-jerk reactions, it's good to think about what you say. __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.

07-09-2005, 02:03 AM	#103 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	when the dust settles, they will want revenge..but against whom? saddams gone..the talibans gone....just woindering who the next target or scapegoat is. now that al kayda has been broken up (assuming that it actually exists)..just wondering which country or group or fictional character is high on the hitlist. arroe... to use the word 'unjust' and not think of the death of iraqi children would be a betrayal of the innocents that have died in iraq. justice belongs to both sides. but to wontonly go out looking for bloodthirsty revenge for the sake of quenching that thirst is in itself unjust. one problem i do have though is that bombings in iraq and afghanistan seem to be a daily occurance and manage to make a small mention in the papers, even though 20, 30 or 40 odd..even 100 odd ppl could lose their lives. but i find one terrorist attack in a wstern country or directed at western tragets and the whole world tunes in. the question i ask is, are people immune to bombings in iraq? or is an iraqi civilians life worth less than that of an american or brit? __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

07-09-2005, 11:47 AM	#106 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	I'm sorry this is NOT THE THREAD to espouse your political rhetoric. I'm trying very hard to understand and be sympathetic your position but this is not the thread for it. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-09-2005, 12:30 PM	#107 (permalink)
Rdr4evr Banned	yes, you're correct cynthetiq, i apologize. would it be possible to move it to the london politics thread?