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gibber71 · 05-09-2003, 10:03 AM

One thing that irritates me to no end is people who show up on my doorstep unannounced giving me no warning whatosever. I have a friend that I've known for over 20 years that continues to do this repeatedly again and again and I've told him countless times to phone first but he doesn't.I think it is very disrespectful.I do not show up anywhere unannounced.

Last weekend he shows up while I had a date over and she left before he did.I gave him shit again. The only reason I let him in was because he saw my date and introduced himself.I thought then maybe he would get a clue and leave.He doesn't.I tell him I'd like him to leave,but then he's just got one more thing he wants to mention.So last night he shows up during my dinner and I didn't answer the door. This is not the first time I have not opened my door.He then phones me saying he left an e-mail telling me he was coming over.Well e-mail isn't the phone.

That's my rant for the end of the week.Any suggestions you may have are welcomed since I'm at the end of my rope. I have run out of ways to try and make him understand,mostly diplomatically,other times not so.I don't need anymore stress in my life .Incidentally, 20 years of friendship will mean squat to me if this doesn't stop,which is something he is aware of. Also he a wife and kid's so it's not like he has nothing to do.

JStrider · 05-09-2003, 10:06 AM

tell his wife... she could call whenever hes gonna head over...

im in the dorms so nobody announces themself...

but when im home i would call if it was possible... and it does get on my nerves if people just show up and expect to be able to stay...

Sticky · 05-09-2003, 10:09 AM

I think that you have to learn not to let him in if you have something else going on (or if you just don't want him over now).

If you turn him away once, he will (I think) think twice about making the effort to come over the next time not knowing what yo are going to do.

Charlatan · 05-09-2003, 10:14 AM

Turn him away at the door... "Look... I'm in the middle of something right now. Sorry."

Should suffice.

Stilts · 05-09-2003, 10:14 AM

I think that the best bet is just to not talk to him anymore, for both of you. If I was your friend, I wouldn't be anymore with an attitude like that. Everyone of my friends and family has an open door policy, people always stop by each others houses all the time. None of us are intersted in being friends with people that are not open like this. If someones got somewhere to go, or something to do when you get there, then they tell you, and you hook up later. If someone drops in at mealtime, you bust out an extra plate. Usually people call, just to make sure that someones there, so you're not driving all the way over to their house just to find out that they're gone. A lot of my family and friends have keys to each others houses, so it's not totally unheard of to come home and find someone else watching tv, waiting for you to get home.

JadziaDax · 05-09-2003, 11:06 AM

My ex used to do this all the time. I've cured practically everyone I know of this bad habit (including my mother). I do not answer the door if I'm not expecting someone. It could be the President of the United States coming with Ed McMahon to give me my multi-million dollar Publisher's Clearing House sweapstakes prize, I don't give a shit. If you didn't call me first to let me know you were on your way, I'm not opening the door.

And I make no exceptions.

spectre · 05-09-2003, 11:11 AM

I hate it when people do that. It always bugs the shit out of me. I go a friend's place every Friday at about the same time, and I never go there without calling first. Even though, I'm expected to be there at that time, I wouldn't think of going without calling first.

Prophecy · 05-09-2003, 11:14 AM

I agree with most folks in this thread too. When I lived on my own, not in the dorm, I hated people just showing up out of the blue. What if i'm busy or have company or I'm planning to leave a few mins after u unexpectedly arrive?
Since, not answering the door hasn't always worked for me, ppl banged on my door & window, "I know your home the lights are on!!" I'm in favor of an electric door of some sort with camera. Someone shows up unannounced outside your door you shock the hell out them. If they're smart they won't be showing up unannounced again.

Cynthetiq · 05-09-2003, 11:19 AM

I don't answer the door. In fact where I live now I've kaibashed the doorbell and I don't hear it if you press it.

No visitors without previous appointment made. Even if that appointment is made 5 minutes prior, made in advance, not at the door.

I also used to leave my front door unlocked and my neighbor would just walk in without knocking or anything. I told her not to just walk in because it could cause some problems for her. She still didn't believe until one time I knew she was going to come over, and I pulled out my .44 and started polishing it on the stairs. When she came in she was frightened, and I explained that if she didn't knock or I didn't know she was in the house, she may get shot because I think there is an intruder in the house. She knocked from that point on.

Spungfoo · 05-09-2003, 11:37 AM

I usually prefer if someone calls before they came over, but sometimes friends I haven't seen in awhile show up unannounced. If I'm busy for whatever reason I have no problems turning them away. With alot of my friends it's quite the opposite... they expect you to just walk in. I actually get bitched at occasionally for calling before I go over to certain friend's houses. This has causes some minor skirmishes in the past...

Somenosuke · 05-09-2003, 01:15 PM

I used to have a friend who would come over all the time unannounced. Pissed me off majorly, and my parents, too. Popping up every so often without letting me know first is okay. Like, a few times a year. But being chronically disrespectful is uncool. I can understand if a friend pops up unannounced cuz they are in trouble, or pain, or need a shoulder to cry on or something. I wouldn't stand for 20 years of ignoring my requests to let me know you're coming over. That is just ridiculous.

MSD · 05-09-2003, 01:20 PM

The only time I show up unannounced is at one friend's house, because he has said to show up anytime during certain hours. Anyone else, I call first. My friends know not to show up unannounced, because they'll be standing on the front porch talking to me while I'm blocking the door. My family is a bunch of slobs, and it takes a while to get our house into presentable condition when we expect people over.

greytone · 05-09-2003, 03:43 PM

Just tell him that it your time to whack off, and go pull out a tube of KY. If he doesn't bolt out of the door, your really don't need him as a friend.

sierra2774 · 05-09-2003, 05:04 PM

I am not a fan of unannounced guests. In Fact, I sometimes will not answer the door if they do not bother to call first.

It is just a courtesy, they never know what you might be doing.

gibber71 · 05-09-2003, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JadziaDax
My ex used to do this all the time. I've cured practically everyone I know of this bad habit (including my mother). I do not answer the door if I'm not expecting someone. It could be the President of the United States coming with Ed McMahon to give me my multi-million dollar Publisher's Clearing House sweapstakes prize, I don't give a shit. If you didn't call me first to let me know you were on your way, I'm not opening the door.

And I make no exceptions.

Best advice and laugh too I've had all day. Thanks

monster · 05-09-2003, 06:54 PM

i have family that showed up to my door unannounced all the time. i quit answering the door and then i made subtle comments too all of them about how i never answer my door unless i know who is coming over.

lt1s10 · 05-09-2003, 07:53 PM

Depends on who it is for me. I don't mind if I haven't seen you for a long time and you're passing by. If I'm busy they are ok with just saying hi and leaving or not dissapointed if I wasn't home when they dropped by. If it's a regular thing that you just show up whenever then I'd say something about and go from there. My cell phone is always with me and I always answer regardless of who is calling because if have my number I gave it to you.

I've also got friends that want me to drop by when I pass their way. Doesn't matter to them if I call or not. If I can call ahead even if it's just a couple of minutes I do.

If I want to do something with them I do call and arrange a time so they know I'm coming. I'd feel awkward if I showed up expecting to do something and they were already busy.

Slims · 05-09-2003, 11:57 PM

I don't mind unanounced guests, and I often stop by my friends apartments. If I am otherwise engaged, I will turn away the visitor, otherwise, it is a welcome surprise. I don't think it is any more trouble for me to answer the phone than the door. When it is appropriate, however, I do call ahead.

jets · 05-10-2003, 05:15 AM

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Originally posted by Stilts
I think that the best bet is just to not talk to him anymore, for both of you. If I was your friend, I wouldn't be anymore with an attitude like that. Everyone of my friends and family has an open door policy, people always stop by each others houses all the time. None of us are intersted in being friends with people that are not open like this. If someones got somewhere to go, or something to do when you get there, then they tell you, and you hook up later. If someone drops in at mealtime, you bust out an extra plate. Usually people call, just to make sure that someones there, so you're not driving all the way over to their house just to find out that they're gone. A lot of my family and friends have keys to each others houses, so it's not totally unheard of to come home and find someone else watching tv, waiting for you to get home.

I read it twice and I don't believe it. I'm a private guy so what you said there is the direct opposite of my view on this topic. Open door in my house is when I'm moving furniture.

People who always drop in unannounced I have no mercy for. If it's some people you can just come right out and say they're being ballbreakers. Other people pick up subtle hints and learn from the past so this is my rule:

Just because you don't mind me dropping by anytime unexpected, don't assume it's the same policy when the tables are turned. Call first.

Stilts · 05-10-2003, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jets
I read it twice and I don't believe it. I'm a private guy so what you said there is the direct opposite of my view on this topic. Open door in my house is when I'm moving furniture.

People who always drop in unannounced I have no mercy for. If it's some people you can just come right out and say they're being ballbreakers. Other people pick up subtle hints and learn from the past so this is my rule:

Just because you don't mind me dropping by anytime unexpected, don't assume it's the same policy when the tables are turned. Call first.

Actually I do know that it's the same with my friends. I've even got yelled at for bothering to knock at one guys house before. I still do knock though if he doesn't know that I'm coming over because I don't want to catch them by surprise and get shot or something goofy. I've had friends that were not like that in the past, and I always quit talking to them, they just don't fit in with the rest of us. We're all laid back and mellow, always glad to see everyone else, if you're busy then you tell them that you're in the middle of something and usually they'll help or keep you company while you do it, or take off. No feelings hurt at all.

I can understand that attitude for the people that like things to be clean when other people come over, but none of us bother to clean for silly stuf like that. None of us are slobs, but we've all got kids, so nothing is ever totally clean.

Hell, I still have people ring my doorbell at 2AM on their way home from the bar. Just seeing if I'm up and if I want to bs a little and have a couple of beers. That one and the late night phone calls took a little getting used to by my wife, but now she doesn't really mind them at all, unless we get rowdy, make a bunch of noise and keep her up.

Mad_Gecko · 05-10-2003, 09:18 AM

Weird how everyone has their own way and each way is "right" for them.

Generally I call first but only cause I usually gotta travel 'bout 100 miles before going round. Can be a little off putting if no-ones home

.

As for my local mates, we usually meet up at bars and such so its always done by mobile.

My front door is on a buzzer, so if I'm busy I don't answer. I share the flat though so sometimes its not for me and I have to answer. With a buzzer system, even if I answer it don't mean I'm gonna open it...

As for your mate, the most sensible idea so far is tell his wife, ask her to call you when he's left to come over. If you are good friends (20yrs is a long time), this should be sortable.

Angel · 05-11-2003, 07:01 AM

I feel it is very rude and inconsiderate to appear unannounced. I will always call before going to see anybody and I expect the same respect. This is something I make clear to anyone who I share my address with. Right up front I tell them that I expect a phone call FIRST and that if they appear unexpected I will not answer the door. Period.
There are a few people in my life who have an open invitation and they know who they are. Otherwise...CALL FIRST!

ARTelevision · 05-11-2003, 07:51 AM

Absolutely, I agree it's bad news to show up unanounced.
I never do it.

MrFlux · 05-11-2003, 03:04 PM

I sometimes turn up at my girlfriend's house unannounced, usually on my way home from work. She actually likes being surprised like that, 'cause I usually only get to see her on the weekends and it makes her day

Only thing is she's like "sorry, my room's a real mess because I didn't know you were coming" no matter how many times I tell her I don't care about how messy her room is.

Other than that, I ring people up and I expect them to call me if they want to come round. Luckily they all do, I'd let them know how much it pisses me off if they did make an unannounced visit

Modo · 05-11-2003, 03:16 PM

<b><font color=FFFF00 face="comic sans ms">I guess I really don't care one way or the other. If I'm in the middle of something, like getting lucky, I don't answer the door. You might see it differently when/if you have a few kids. Constant traffic in and out...</font></b> 

splck · 05-11-2003, 07:30 PM

People would be fools if they drove out here to see me before making a phone call. What's the point of driving all the way to my place when I might not be here? None of my friends want to waste all the time and gas they need to get here.

teph · 05-12-2003, 10:12 AM

My ex used to do that to me all the time; she'd call from my doorstep and scare the fuck outta me. It's a nice surprise if she's standing there in just a robe, but otherwise call first, asshole.

Whew, that was fun

jets · 05-12-2003, 02:36 PM

Oh yeah, well my views don't apply to my girlfriend n stuff and I never thought about it in my initial post. She loves it when I drop in unannounced since time is scarce and stuff. I don't mind her coming by anytime either, but that's cuz we dig each other lotz.

05-09-2003, 10:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
gibber71 Loser	Yes...Phone first.. One thing that irritates me to no end is people who show up on my doorstep unannounced giving me no warning whatosever. I have a friend that I've known for over 20 years that continues to do this repeatedly again and again and I've told him countless times to phone first but he doesn't.I think it is very disrespectful.I do not show up anywhere unannounced. Last weekend he shows up while I had a date over and she left before he did.I gave him shit again. The only reason I let him in was because he saw my date and introduced himself.I thought then maybe he would get a clue and leave.He doesn't.I tell him I'd like him to leave,but then he's just got one more thing he wants to mention.So last night he shows up during my dinner and I didn't answer the door. This is not the first time I have not opened my door.He then phones me saying he left an e-mail telling me he was coming over.Well e-mail isn't the phone. That's my rant for the end of the week.Any suggestions you may have are welcomed since I'm at the end of my rope. I have run out of ways to try and make him understand,mostly diplomatically,other times not so.I don't need anymore stress in my life .Incidentally, 20 years of friendship will mean squat to me if this doesn't stop,which is something he is aware of. Also he a wife and kid's so it's not like he has nothing to do.

05-09-2003, 10:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	tell his wife... she could call whenever hes gonna head over... im in the dorms so nobody announces themself... but when im home i would call if it was possible... and it does get on my nerves if people just show up and expect to be able to stay... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

05-09-2003, 10:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Turn him away at the door... "Look... I'm in the middle of something right now. Sorry." Should suffice. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-09-2003, 11:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
spectre Junkie	I hate it when people do that. It always bugs the shit out of me. I go a friend's place every Friday at about the same time, and I never go there without calling first. Even though, I'm expected to be there at that time, I wouldn't think of going without calling first. __________________ "Fuck these chains No goddamn slave I will be different" ~ Machine Head

05-09-2003, 11:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	I agree with most folks in this thread too. When I lived on my own, not in the dorm, I hated people just showing up out of the blue. What if i'm busy or have company or I'm planning to leave a few mins after u unexpectedly arrive? Since, not answering the door hasn't always worked for me, ppl banged on my door & window, "I know your home the lights are on!!" I'm in favor of an electric door of some sort with camera. Someone shows up unannounced outside your door you shock the hell out them. If they're smart they won't be showing up unannounced again. __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense.

05-09-2003, 10:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
Sticky	I think that you have to learn not to let him in if you have something else going on (or if you just don't want him over now). If you turn him away once, he will (I think) think twice about making the effort to come over the next time not knowing what yo are going to do. __________________ Sticky The Stickman

05-09-2003, 10:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
Stilts Tilted	I think that the best bet is just to not talk to him anymore, for both of you. If I was your friend, I wouldn't be anymore with an attitude like that. Everyone of my friends and family has an open door policy, people always stop by each others houses all the time. None of us are intersted in being friends with people that are not open like this. If someones got somewhere to go, or something to do when you get there, then they tell you, and you hook up later. If someone drops in at mealtime, you bust out an extra plate. Usually people call, just to make sure that someones there, so you're not driving all the way over to their house just to find out that they're gone. A lot of my family and friends have keys to each others houses, so it's not totally unheard of to come home and find someone else watching tv, waiting for you to get home.

05-09-2003, 11:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
JadziaDax Loser Location: who the fuck cares?	My ex used to do this all the time. I've cured practically everyone I know of this bad habit (including my mother). I do not answer the door if I'm not expecting someone. It could be the President of the United States coming with Ed McMahon to give me my multi-million dollar Publisher's Clearing House sweapstakes prize, I don't give a shit. If you didn't call me first to let me know you were on your way, I'm not opening the door. And I make no exceptions.

05-09-2003, 11:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	I don't answer the door. In fact where I live now I've kaibashed the doorbell and I don't hear it if you press it. No visitors without previous appointment made. Even if that appointment is made 5 minutes prior, made in advance, not at the door. I also used to leave my front door unlocked and my neighbor would just walk in without knocking or anything. I told her not to just walk in because it could cause some problems for her. She still didn't believe until one time I knew she was going to come over, and I pulled out my .44 and started polishing it on the stairs. When she came in she was frightened, and I explained that if she didn't knock or I didn't know she was in the house, she may get shot because I think there is an intruder in the house. She knocked from that point on. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

05-09-2003, 11:37 AM	#10 (permalink)
Spungfoo Insane Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I usually prefer if someone calls before they came over, but sometimes friends I haven't seen in awhile show up unannounced. If I'm busy for whatever reason I have no problems turning them away. With alot of my friends it's quite the opposite... they expect you to just walk in. I actually get bitched at occasionally for calling before I go over to certain friend's houses. This has causes some minor skirmishes in the past...

05-09-2003, 01:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Somenosuke Insane Location: The 7th Level..	I used to have a friend who would come over all the time unannounced. Pissed me off majorly, and my parents, too. Popping up every so often without letting me know first is okay. Like, a few times a year. But being chronically disrespectful is uncool. I can understand if a friend pops up unannounced cuz they are in trouble, or pain, or need a shoulder to cry on or something. I wouldn't stand for 20 years of ignoring my requests to let me know you're coming over. That is just ridiculous. __________________ Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. Yes is the answer.

05-09-2003, 01:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	The only time I show up unannounced is at one friend's house, because he has said to show up anytime during certain hours. Anyone else, I call first. My friends know not to show up unannounced, because they'll be standing on the front porch talking to me while I'm blocking the door. My family is a bunch of slobs, and it takes a while to get our house into presentable condition when we expect people over.

05-09-2003, 03:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
greytone Junkie	Just tell him that it your time to whack off, and go pull out a tube of KY. If he doesn't bolt out of the door, your really don't need him as a friend. __________________ I was there to see beautiful naked women. So was everybody else. It's a common failing. Robert A Heinlein in "They Do It With Mirrors"

05-09-2003, 05:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
sierra2774 Addict Location: Northeast Ohio	I am not a fan of unannounced guests. In Fact, I sometimes will not answer the door if they do not bother to call first. It is just a courtesy, they never know what you might be doing. __________________ "Every tomorrow brings new opportunities, challenges we must address...A chance to affirm all our wishes and dreams, to seek beauty and true happiness."

05-09-2003, 06:54 PM	#16 (permalink)
monster Loser	i have family that showed up to my door unannounced all the time. i quit answering the door and then i made subtle comments too all of them about how i never answer my door unless i know who is coming over.

05-09-2003, 07:53 PM	#17 (permalink)
lt1s10 Crazy	Depends on who it is for me. I don't mind if I haven't seen you for a long time and you're passing by. If I'm busy they are ok with just saying hi and leaving or not dissapointed if I wasn't home when they dropped by. If it's a regular thing that you just show up whenever then I'd say something about and go from there. My cell phone is always with me and I always answer regardless of who is calling because if have my number I gave it to you. I've also got friends that want me to drop by when I pass their way. Doesn't matter to them if I call or not. If I can call ahead even if it's just a couple of minutes I do. If I want to do something with them I do call and arrange a time so they know I'm coming. I'd feel awkward if I showed up expecting to do something and they were already busy.

05-09-2003, 11:57 PM	#18 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	I don't mind unanounced guests, and I often stop by my friends apartments. If I am otherwise engaged, I will turn away the visitor, otherwise, it is a welcome surprise. I don't think it is any more trouble for me to answer the phone than the door. When it is appropriate, however, I do call ahead. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

05-10-2003, 09:18 AM	#21 (permalink)
Mad_Gecko Pro Libertate Location: City Gecko	Weird how everyone has their own way and each way is "right" for them. Generally I call first but only cause I usually gotta travel 'bout 100 miles before going round. Can be a little off putting if no-ones home . As for my local mates, we usually meet up at bars and such so its always done by mobile. My front door is on a buzzer, so if I'm busy I don't answer. I share the flat though so sometimes its not for me and I have to answer. With a buzzer system, even if I answer it don't mean I'm gonna open it... As for your mate, the most sensible idea so far is tell his wife, ask her to call you when he's left to come over. If you are good friends (20yrs is a long time), this should be sortable. __________________ [color=bright blue]W[/color]e Stick To Glass "If three of us travel together, I shall find two teachers." Confucious

05-11-2003, 07:01 AM	#22 (permalink)
Angel Naughty Just Right Location: Euphoria	I feel it is very rude and inconsiderate to appear unannounced. I will always call before going to see anybody and I expect the same respect. This is something I make clear to anyone who I share my address with. Right up front I tell them that I expect a phone call FIRST and that if they appear unexpected I will not answer the door. Period. There are a few people in my life who have an open invitation and they know who they are. Otherwise...CALL FIRST! __________________ In the depth of winter, I finally learned that there was within me an invincible summer. ~Albert Camus

05-11-2003, 07:51 AM	#23 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Absolutely, I agree it's bad news to show up unanounced. I never do it. __________________ create evolution

05-11-2003, 03:04 PM	#24 (permalink)
MrFlux Fluxing wildly... Location: Auckland, New Zealand	I sometimes turn up at my girlfriend's house unannounced, usually on my way home from work. She actually likes being surprised like that, 'cause I usually only get to see her on the weekends and it makes her day Only thing is she's like "sorry, my room's a real mess because I didn't know you were coming" no matter how many times I tell her I don't care about how messy her room is. Other than that, I ring people up and I expect them to call me if they want to come round. Luckily they all do, I'd let them know how much it pisses me off if they did make an unannounced visit __________________ flux (n.) Medicine. The discharge of large quantities of fluid material from the body, especially the discharge of watery feces from the intestines.

05-11-2003, 03:16 PM	#25 (permalink)
Modo delusional Location: USA half way between East and West	<b><font color=FFFF00 face="comic sans ms">I guess I really don't care one way or the other. If I'm in the middle of something, like getting lucky, I don't answer the door. You might see it differently when/if you have a few kids. Constant traffic in and out...</font></b>

05-11-2003, 07:30 PM	#26 (permalink)
splck it's jam Location: Lowerainland BC	People would be fools if they drove out here to see me before making a phone call. What's the point of driving all the way to my place when I might not be here? None of my friends want to waste all the time and gas they need to get here. __________________ nice line eh?

05-12-2003, 10:12 AM	#27 (permalink)
teph Insane Location: Atlanta, GA	My ex used to do that to me all the time; she'd call from my doorstep and scare the fuck outta me. It's a nice surprise if she's standing there in just a robe, but otherwise call first, asshole. Whew, that was fun

05-12-2003, 02:36 PM	#28 (permalink)
jets Insane	Oh yeah, well my views don't apply to my girlfriend n stuff and I never thought about it in my initial post. She loves it when I drop in unannounced since time is scarce and stuff. I don't mind her coming by anytime either, but that's cuz we dig each other lotz. __________________ Hey. Wasn't Me.