American beheaded by Iraqi complete thread

[kutulu]

Originally posted by fypon
Its thinking before you act that is the bigger problem in our country.

Please explain that one. IMO, when people are controlled by emotions, double homicides happen when people walk into their bedroom and see their wife fucking some dude. Fights break out when people when morons let their egos get the better of them. Rights are taken away when we let our fear override the Constitution. Wars break out when we look for a quick scapegoat.

Originally posted by Cynthetiq
without getting into the morality of it, it Nagasaki and Hiroshima did force the hand of Japan to surrender very quickly.

It still doesn't mean it wasn't genocide. At least the soldiers that were dying signed up for it. I not going to be the type of person who values our innocents over the lives of other innocents. IMO, that was one of the biggest mistakes our govt ever made.

[kutulu]

Originally posted by DelayedReaction
I don't know the situation very well beyond what I hear in the news, but I almost feel as if America needs to apologize and open themselves up to the UN. Push for truly international support and oversight. Accept that we made a mess of things, apologize to the international community for being so antagonistic, and request they aid the US in rebuilding Iraq properly.

Once again, I do not see our current administration doing this. In fact, I wonder if there is ANY administration capable of performing such an act.

It takes a big man to admit their failures. Bush is not that man. At least a new President could have a clean slate on this issue with the international community.

Contrary to the belief held by conservatives, Bush is the one the terrorists want in office.

[fypon]

kutulu

Its thinking before you act that is the bigger problem in our country.

Please explain that one. IMO, when people are controlled by emotions, double homicides happen when people walk into their bedroom and see their wife fucking some dude. Fights break out when people when morons let their egos get the better of them. Rights are taken away when we let our fear override the Constitution. Wars break out when we look for a quick scapegoat.

I said that I would rather be more in touch with my emotions than numb to the things around me. Being controlled by your emotions is quite a bit different.

The problem is, given the situation you listed, walking in on someone banging your significant other and not being able to think of the consequences of ones actions before blowing summons head off.

I dont wish to veer any farther from the thread topic. If anyone wants to continue this lets start a new thread.

[fypon]

Originally posted by kutulu

Contrary to the belief held by conservatives, Bush is the one the terrorists want in office. [/B]

Please explain your reasoning for that statement. I would think they would want anyone but Bush. Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq. Hes not afraid to piss in someone else's cheerios. I dont see how they would not view Bush as a bigger threat than Kerry.

[kutulu]

To make it short I'll just give one main reason. The terrorists are willing to die for their cause. Their deaths inspire other fanatics to join the cause. Bush is aggressive and has huge oil ties, he helps to paint the pictures that America wants to take the oil from the Middle East and destroy the Muslims.

[bigoldalphamale]

"Just what makes yours arguements facts rather than opinions? Nothing that I see. Stop trashing everyone for having their own opinions."

my arguements are predicated on the pieces of middle eastern history i have laid out and the true roots of conflict in that portion of the world. for instance...

fact 1: jews and arabs have been fighting over the land that is israel ever since the british allowed zionist settlement in the region following ww2. i stated that earlier. its a fact.

fact 2: radical islamafascist doctrine calls for violent measures against all nations supporting or cohorting with the sons of zion. we treat jews in the US as equals and support thier causes both domestic and abroad (not necessarily as it exclusively pertains to israel), which makes us a target for islamic radicals, regardless of our foriegn policy. i stated that earlier, it is a fact.

3. i think i laid out some facts in my first two posts in this thread.

i am not going to go and work up a bibliography page for you people....just do a google search for conflict in the middle east circa 70BC or circa 1947ish. these facts were laid out in response to the several posts here from people who seemed to be convinced that Bush's invasion of Iraq is the root cause of terrorism...or that terrorism would somehow go away if the US left the middle east alone...these assertions are incorrect and so i made some corrections.

am i the only one here who thinks its important to form your opinions from factual actual relevant information?

[tecoyah]

This issue will create negative emotions, simply because it exists.There is really no need to blast each other, and certainly no call to debase one another due to opinions expressed here. If someone feels strongly enough to use petty name calling as a way to express dissatisfaction, just stop posting for awhile.
Count to ten, or sit in a corner, but please don't resort to childish actions as this only makes you and your target more negative. It also makes the instigator look rather foolish to most of those lurking, or attempting to debate the issue with civility.

In short, think before you type. Please.

[Angel]

Originally posted by StephenSa
I do however have a problem feeling a lot of sympathy for this guy. Why was he in Iraq? He wasn't in the military. No one ordered him to go there. He had a choice. He could have stayed in the United States but CHOSE to go to Iraq. He knew he was putting himself in harms way. You rolls the dice, you takes your chances. Unfortunately he lost big time. It was a tragedy, yes. But had he stayed home instead of trapesing off to a WAR-ZONE he would still be alive.

Where is your fucking heart man?
He may not have been "ordered" over there, but he had BALLS and a HEART and wanted to help out and do his part as best as he knew how. He was doing what he felt he needed to do. Just because he went "trapesing off to a WAR ZONE" does not mean he deserved to die! Some people are willing to take a risk to help others. Would you have symathy for him if he were killed the same way here in the states? What difference does it make WHERE it happened. The fact is that it is a tragedy.

My son is in Afghanistan right now and I fear for his life every waking moment. But I am proud of him for his guts and his willingness to risk it all for others. He has more bravery and guts in his pinky finger than SOME people have in their entire being.
I despise your lack of sympathy and respect.

[brinkn1]

Originally posted by MrFlux
Where'd you read that?

<a href=http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/05/1680581.php target=new>http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/05/1680581.php</a>


<a href=http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/11/berg.family.ap/ target=new>http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/0...erg.family.ap/</a>

There's a couple links. This whole side of the story seems to be pretty hush-hush.

[GuttersnipeXL]

There is one bleek future ahead of us, and that is a fact. Is this going to be over, even if we do erradicate every Iraqi alive? Of course not. Holy Jihad has been declared, and I don't think most people truly grasp it's meaning. All of these "acts of terrorism" and violence aren't going to stop until they have destroyed all of the non believers. This is all these people know, and they are everywhere, not just Iraq.
That's the way I see it. If you don't like Bush and gang, thats fine. Come November be sure to make your voice heard. The problem is still going to be there regardless of who is in office.
We're in it now, so it's just a matter of trying different methods to stop it. In the meantime though try to live your lives the best way you know how.

[maxhooters]

I just tried to watch the video but i could not bring my self to it. just could not do it. It is a sad story no matter what was going on

[Redjake]

Originally posted by maxhooters
I just tried to watch the video but i could not bring my self to it. just could not do it. It is a sad story no matter what was going on

same here. soon I will have no desire to watch it (after the human urge of seeing gore passes). I don't want to watch it. but I've almost watched it three times, and closed it out before it goes anywhere.

[ShivihS]

the guy was an engineer traveling for money. random victim...i feel really bad for him.

[Pragma]

Originally posted by maxhooters
I just tried to watch the video but i could not bring my self to it. just could not do it. It is a sad story no matter what was going on

I've got it downloaded and am very curious what my reaction to seeing it will be - but I don't want to watch it just yet, I'm enjoying being happy and don't want to change that.

[DelayedReaction]

Originally posted by maxhooters
I just tried to watch the video but i could not bring my self to it. just could not do it. It is a sad story no matter what was going on

I watched it a couple times, but never got any major reaction out of it. I know it's a gruesome and heinous video of a man being murdered in one of the most horrifying ways possible, but it really doesn't connect with me.

I don't know how I feel about that. It doesn't feel right.

[fypon]

Originally posted by DelayedReaction
I watched it a couple times, but never got any major reaction out of it. I know it's a gruesome and heinous video of a man being murdered in one of the most horrifying ways possible, but it really doesn't connect with me.

I don't know how I feel about that. It doesn't feel right.

Thats very disturbing.

[Cynthetiq]

Originally posted by DelayedReaction
I watched it a couple times, but never got any major reaction out of it. I know it's a gruesome and heinous video of a man being murdered in one of the most horrifying ways possible, but it really doesn't connect with me.

I don't know how I feel about that. It doesn't feel right.

could also just be complete disbelief

[fypon]

I just heard on the radio the state depart employee that reported Nick Berg was detained by US officials has retracted his statement stating is was based on erroneous information.

I did some searching on the net for more information without finding anything. Anyone else heard this?

It does make me wonder if this is truth or damage control.

[DrateX]

Alls I have to say is...

This shit is fucked up!

[Merlocke]

If the administration weren't so controlled by the oil companies themselves, we'd already have a energized - earth-friendly electric car with no pollution and worked like a champ for years on end.

Corporations want a continuous stream of income. Read: Gas powered machines. We could choose to be well past that point at this stage, however the profits are too great to risk losing them all.

A sad end to a life that shouldn't have been lost through this war though. I say put an end to it - already too much blood has been shed.

[Pragma]

Originally posted by Merlocke
If the administration weren't so controlled by the oil companies themselves, we'd already have a energized - earth-friendly electric car with no pollution and worked like a champ for years on end.

That's true of all administrations, though - the car companies themselves are fighting this because they have arrangements with gas companies, and the gas companies would go entirely out of business with the rise in popularity of electric cars.