Menoman

I'm sure some of you are parents. Let's try to put you into the situation my parents were put into about 3 years ago due to my ignorance/stupidity/dumb activity.

Ok, lets say I'm your son. Hiya Moms and Pops!!

Now, I work midnights as I'm sure you already know since I'm your stinkin son!

As my mother, your cleaning house, you realize its hopeless to keep bugging me about bringing my dirty clothes to the laundry room so you head into my room to get them.

(Enter my room) Smells kinda funny. Not quite sure what it is but you have smelled it before. Now you are picking up clothes and one of the shirts is halfway in the closet and halfway out... sorta under the door, and its stuck.

(Open closet door) Noticing first the probable amount of 30 to 40 empty beer bottles in cases on the floor of my closet. Not knowing what to think you look around a bit more, at the top of my closet you find a probable amount of 9-10 bottles of liquor, including Everclear and a mason jar of Moonshine........





The rest is up to you. Tell me what you would do to me mom! If your hot mom spank me! Ok just kidding about spanking.

If your not a parent post what you "Think" you'll do if such a situation should have arose for you later in life or if you were to have a child.

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analog

Um.. I'd ask why they've been hording good liquor for themselves and not sharing.

Side note: No, I do not have children... but if I did, they would know what alcohol is, and it would not be an issue. Drinking should not be something anyone freaks out about, or has to hide. With responsibility, it can be enjoyed by many people not currently fulfilling the (US) age limits. I'd love to get drunk with my kids if I ever have any.

Note that lots of other places in the world outside the stick-in-the-mud, you-can-die-for-your-country-but-can't-have-a-beer-at-18 USA are 18, even 16 or 14 (and i'm guessing possibly lower).

Menoman

Oh I think its relavent I was 17 and I'm 20 now.

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Journeyman

A person under the age of 18 can be charged with underage possession of alcohol, and tried as an adult. So they were mature enough to understand the consequences of their actions, but the nature of the charges is that they weren't mature/responsible enough to partake in those actions. So... the law can seriously be put aside as far as I'm concerned.

Now, if it were my boy/girl, I'd want to know A) Whether or not they're drinking alone, which the situation seems to indicate. Now, I'd be iffy about any drinking, but given the history of alcoholism in my family... he'd be at risk. If those are 40 beer bottles and 10 liquor bottles that he drank alone, ummm... it's time for a long chat. B) Why does he feel the need to hide it from me? I've got a lot of good and bad experiences under my belt that I'd let him in on the good advice and try to keep him open about whatever he's doing. C) At least he's not driving home drunk.

So... you know, you can't just kneejerk this one out. I'd probably take a few hours with my wife to figure out what's the next move. Probably not a lot in the way of punishment, just try to goad him into growing up some.

Lebell

First, all your liquor would go down the drain.

Second, we would have a long talk about the rules of the house and what was expected. While I would ask you to call home for a ride if drunk, I would also not condone underage binge parties in my house.

Third, if you couldn't abide by the house rules, I would look into ways to get you out of my house, including having you arrested.


Yes, I'm serious, because the scenario you presented is deadly serious.

If you were in an accident and killed someone, not only would YOU be in jail, but I could lose my HOME along with all my life's SAVINGS.

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hulk

Well, I first stumbled home drunk when I was 16, and my Dad didn't really make a fuss. In fact, next time we sat down to watch a video together he grabbed me a beer. Aussie dads rock =D

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sexymama

The general rule in our home has been:

If you are drunk you must call home for a ride. I will pick you up and I will talk with you the next day, most likely with some consequences; however if you drive home drunk there will be extreme consequences.

If you are old enough to drink, you are old enough to live outside the home. Yes, my 18 year olds were offered a beer once they were on their own and in the military as I agree, old enough to serve, old enough for a beer.

The big deal for me is that alcholism runs heavily in the kids' dad's family; so we would have very serious discussions all along.

By the way, I agree with Lebell, if it is a habit and the kid refuses to stop, then he/she is out of the house. I believe in tough love.

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Very good rule.


I used to drink and party from the age of 16 (19 is the drinking age here in Canada), and as long as I was responsible about it - left the car at home. And fulfilled all my committments and obligations to school, my job, my family then they were ok with it.

I think I will be the exact way with my kids when they are old enough.

If however I found cases of empty beer and lots of empty bottles then I would definately be worried about them drinking alone and possible alcholism problems and a long heart to heart talk would be in order.

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twotimesadingo

It's funny. My mom knows very well I drink, and we've discussed it. She's not entirely accepting, but she's certainly not steadfastly against it. I think she's one of those enlightened beings who have noted the contradictory nature of alcohol laws. Furthermore, she knows me, and knows I'm not a complete moron.

Since the age of 16 she's told me that she will not accept me driving drunk. Regardless of the time, she would always pick me up. She would give me til noon the next day to collect my thoughts, and we would hold palaver.

The nature of her job doesn't allow for me to be conspicuously breaking laws, so that was always an issue. But if I acted responsibly, she never really came down too hard on me.


I tend to think I'll be the same way when I'm a parent. As has been noted, other cultures don't adhere to such antiquated drinking laws, and other cultures thus dont have such a virile and dangerous drinking culture among teenagers. I see Canada as a great example of this; sure, Canadian teenagers still get smashed and whatnot, but it's not as secretive and harmful. Just my two cents.

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NotMinus

I live in Canada also. I started drinking at 16 and did so pretty heavily at partys for awhile. My parents knew I was doing it but kept an eye on my behavior, although all my freinds at the time consumed alot of alchohal when we got together we did it safely, we never let anyone drive drunk and we never really had any problems. There is no reason to put laws banning consumption of alchohal or tabacco, there should be laws simply stopping the mis-use of these substances. I strongly feel though that the goverment has to much power to moderate our behavior so all my opinions are tainted.

krwlz

In my house, drinking was never a big deal... By 16 I had been mildly drunk more then a few times, with proper parental supervsion, at 17, I was throwing parties, and slammin em down as fast as anyone there, but I never drive, no one there drove, and we were as responsible as a bunch of drunk teens can be.

We cut ppl off that were lookin about ready to get sick, and most of us regulars never got sick. Worked well in my opinion.

SaltPork

Spoken truly like someone that has no children. Maybe someday you'll understand. Interesting opinions though.

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Memnoch

The way I see alcohol (as well as drugs or having sex) is this: If you're going to have the privileges of an adult, you're going to have the responsibilities of an adult. If you want to drink or have sex or do drugs, a) you don't do it in my house, b) you get and keep a job, c) you pay rent. If you can't fulfill these obligations, out you go.

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MSD

I'd make sure they get help for their drinking problem. Family history on both sides means it's probably the issue.

If they drank with friends and nobody got sick and nobody drove home drunk, I'd talk with them about using alcohol responsibly, and make sure they understand how severely it affects them, make sure they don't drink enough to lose control of themselves, and make sure they know about the genetic inclination toward developing a problem.

tim2shady

i have a son and i'm a considered by most a heavy drinker....here is what i would do....find out if he's been drinking by himself, if so, discussion and possible consequences (depends on answer). i'd like to see him not drinking at all until 18, but if that is not the case, then i would support responsible drinking habits at all times (IE no heavy drinking, like the kind you may end up in hospital getting stomach pumped, no drinking and driving and like another post has said, if participating in adult activities then guess what you get adult responsibilities). My roof my rules...period. tough love would ensue if my son doesn't adhere to the "rules".

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animosity

i have been drinking sense i was 17(im 20 now) just b4 i turned 18 my mother was just curious one day and asked if i had ever had a drink... i said, "yes" she was thrown off by that and said, "what! do u drink often?" i said, "yes i got drunk last night." she was suprised and a little disapointed, but she did ask... she is not happy about my drinking habbits but trust that i am a responcible adult that can handle a drink, or 10...

i think underage drinking can be a problem because some(or most) teenagers are stupid and wreckless, but so are some twentysomethings... i think that the laws are just fine how they are.. i was arrested when i was 18 for underage possession by injestoin & spent the night in jail. i have no hard feelings about it... i was in the wrong.

CSflim

Well, I'm closer to being the kid in the situation described above than the parent (I'm 20, and even trying to imagine being a dad just makes my head spin. I can't even picture it! ).

But if my parents had caught me with a whole load of alcohol in my room at 17, they would probably just have wondered why the need for such a big stash, and they would probably have asked about it, but it certainly wouldn't have been an issue.

I had (and still have) an open relationship with my parents. They knew that I drank, and that I was responsible about it....honestly no big deal!

Maybe I'm waaay off here, but I think that if a kid grows up knowing the alcohol is no big deal, and that it is not forbidden, then it won't be much of a problem. I imagine that much of the very underage binge drinking the goes on is due to kids wanting to rebel against their parents.
How could I rebel by drinking, when my parents were cool with it? Where's the fun in that? (Instead, my rebellion involved refusing to cut my hair....take that loving parents!)

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asudevil83

i'm 20, 21 in a month and a half. i didnt start drinking until i was 18 or so. i've been retarded once or twice and driven when i shouldnt have, but i'd like to think that my friends and i are more responible than the majority of "legal" drinkers and drivers. trust me....i party out in Tempe AZ, where ASU is, and on fridays and saturdays i'm afraid to drive between 11 and 1, and i WILL NOT drive between 1 and 2:30.

but as far as i am concerned, 18 is an adult. you can buy cigs, go to strip clubs, blah blah blah, and not to mention go off to war and die for your country. so, at 18 you should be given the privilage to drink.....responsibly.

after i graduated high school, i went straight to college. i lived at home, still do, and as far as i'm concerned i live a pretty hectic life. and as far as i'm concerned, i need to take a break from life every once and a while, just like "adults" do.

i hear these adults going on about how life is so stressful, work is kicking their ass, so on and so forth. well shit.....school sucks ass just as much. i drive 45 miles to school and back each day, i go out to school on days off to meet with groups to work on projects at least 6 extra hours a week, i have 10 hours of homework each week.......and dammit, i deserved a night or two a week where i can chill, socialize, and relax until 3 in the morning, go home, wake up and worry about my shit all day long again.

but i'd say, if you were to find empty beer bottles and shit in your son or daughters closet or some shit, and they dont have friends that stay over every once and a while, i'd be worried too.

Menoman

I see some good answers and many that are close to what actually happened.

Well what happened was first they came to my work(family business they own it so they could do this) to speak to me as soon as they found it. We talked about where/who/how much, I was drinking with and things.

The amount of alcohol I had was staggering if I was drinking alone, It was actually a cumulation of mine, and 3 of my friends whose parents were tightasses. Usually I kept any alcohol I had on my window seal out in plain view. Normally it was a bottle of Jack and a bottle of Everclear. Possibly a bottle of Jager.

They understood that it definatly wasnt all mine, which I even had my friends explain why I was keeping it for them.

I explained why I had it all hidden, because my friends parents and my parents occassionally played cards and whatnot toghether, it may be suspicious.

All the empties were from a party I had (and they gave me permission for) the weekend before and I honestly do not know who put them there.

Finally I explained that never in my life had I ever been in a car driven by someone under the influence or driven a car myself intoxicated.

They asked me to have the alcohol removed since its just too damn much and I obliged, (not as if I cared since it wasnt mine).




On a bit of off topic convo here. I've been drunk many times in my life. I've been completely shitfaced, blown away, destroyed, smashed, annihilated, kerplunked, u get the idea.

Never in all those times have I EVER felt that I could drive a car safely.

One instance I remember clearly, I was up at Kent Dorms partying it up during the Kent Riot Anniversity. (btw those parties are killer^^) I probably had about 13 beers (140lbs here beyotch!) and smoked quite a bit of spleef. I was asked to drive a block to take someone home. (Note: This is the most trashed I've ever been in my entire life) I refused w/out even thinking about it.

Bleh what a rant! :P Anyway my point was I'm not sure how people can even fathom drinking and driving.

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animosity

i drove once.. but was sobered up... i kinda had too because the cops were on their way to bust up the party, that or get my ass thrown in jail... funny 3 days after that i was drunk off my ass and refused to drive so my friend drove my new car and flipped it 2 times, i was arrested for underage possession when the cops came...

hulk

Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but a lot of responses are saying that if their children are drinking alone and out of control, they're out of the house. So, basically, if they have a psychological problem (which is what alchoholism is) you just boot them out and forget about it? Rather than giving them love and support, as well as access to people who can help them further?

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analog

In a discussion over what a person would do, I think that a person's opinion can be quite valid, regardless of having had children.

As I've told people before, and this is not directed at anyone here so please don't take it that way, but people with kids are not special.

Just because you have kids, does not make you special or better than me.

People with kids may have opinions and methods that have been honed over years and tweaked by the experience of raising a child, but that DOES NOT make them correct- and it DOES NOT make my opinions or methods invalid, simply because I don't have any.

Ask yourself when the last time you heard a horrible news story of an abusive parent, a neglectful parent, an alcoholic parent, or MURDEROUS , MURDEROUS parents.

I heard TWO on the radio this afternoon. I can roll through the boards and grab at least 1 article for every day that involves parents beating, killing, abusing, violating, and generally fuckign up their kids.

All anyone needs to have a kid is a penis, a vagina, and 9 months' worth of patience. Note that "a brain" was not in that list.

Some of you may be great parents, and I applaud those of you who are- but there is no reason to assume that being a parent makes you any smarter or more well-informed than me.

That's like saying men can't be gynecologists, because they don't have a vagina. Please.

While I appreciate the way you approached it, I fail to see how "spoken truly like someone that has no children" is particularly relevant here. As a general rule, this type of brush-off tactic that I often see pisses me off (as I'm sure you can all tell above). People tell me I "can't possibly have any idea", and "when you're a parent, you won't think the same way", etc., and that's simply not so.

tangledweb

I would have to say that being a parent DOES alter your perceptions and possibly/hopefully your understanding of many things. Being a parent SHOULD make you smarter about certain things that life holds but 'you can lead a horse to water'...

I would NOT go as far as to say it makes you smarter. As Analog pointed out, there are some stupid bastards cranking out children like Pez who aren't going to be nominated for the Nobel Prize anytime soon.

My friend used to say, "It's pretty damn stupid that you have to have a license to fish but ANYONE can have a kid". It was his favorite saying. Seems to fit here.

copenhagen

I came home drunk one night and had to have my mother let me in the house. It was my 18th birthday and we had a big party at my friend’s house and we all got trashed. She let me in the house and didn’t say a word to me. The next morning I woke up and thought everything was cool seeing as how she didn’t say anything to me the night before, then I got the shock of my life. She sat me down on my bed and asked me what I had been drinking and we had an hour long discussion about the dangers of drinking too much and how alcoholism runs in my family. She gave me an ultimatum. I could pack my shit and leave or go to a few A.A. meetings to see how bad it gets for some people. At the time I hated her for it but now I think its one of the best things I ever did. I am a hell of a lot more responsible now when I drink and rarely ever get blind drunk. I think it would be helpful for all underage kids caught drinking to sit in on a few of those meetings because it puts it all in perspective. Sorry for the long post.

CSflim

Are you serious!? You come home drunk one night, and you get carted off to A.A.!? And you were even 18!

Maybe it's just me coming from a "country of dunkards", but I find that very much over the top. I really don't think coming home plastered from a birthday party constitutes alcoholism.

I have to say, I never realised that there was such a difference in cultures involved here. I guess that there is something to the sterotype. (Not that I think Ireland is a country full of alcoholics, just that we are much more laid back about alcohol).

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H12

With my dad being a social drinker and my mom being a regular drinker (I wouldn't call her an alcoholic though; she rarely tries to get drunk), I've grown up around alcohol...and until about this time last year, I had been scared crapless about the dangers of it. Then, last year (I was 17), I gave it a go and got drunk for my first time with some friends. At about 3:00 in the morning, I tried to tackle my friend for whatever reason, missed, and dove head first into a wall of rocks.

The next thing I knew, about ten minutes later I was on my friend's couch (that's now covered in blood) while my friend's mom was wiping my head wounds and one other friend was mopping my blood off the kitchen floor.

When I woke up the next morning, I remembered something very bad; my friends had been recording us on videotape most of the night. We all sat down in my friend's livingroom and watched me make an ass out of myself in assorted ways: on the topic of one of my friends I said "Why the hell won't she play with my melons?!?", I jumped deep into the woods down a hill because my friends told me that my football coach was coming, stumbling everywhere...you name it. They didn't catch me missing my tackle though, which is good.

I vowed right then and there to never to get drunk again. I still drink occasionally, but if I ever get to the point of buzzing I stop ASAP because I get scared of gettin' that way again...

...Plus, to add on top of it all (and to get back on topic as well), my friend's mom who was helping me works with my dad, so about three weeks later my dad just casually brings it up, then jokingly rips into me about making a foold out of myself on camera. He didn't punish me, just kinda belittled me in a playful way to make me understand I can't be irresponsible like that. My mom is kind of shocked that I drink at all, but she's cool with it as long as I'm responsible. I feel like I'll be the same way when I'm a parent though, so I suppose that's my stand on it.

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copenhagen

It's not that she thought I was an alcoholic she just didn' want me to end up like that so she wanted me to see how extreme it gets for some people. Sorry I didn't clarify that.

Menoman

My opinion on people not getting drunk because of the horrible things that you do while drunk. Well then... Hopefully I do not offend anyone with my opinion because its just based on my lifes experiences. but..

I don't think there is much danger about what you'll do while drunk. I have been drunk plenty of times and never once have I done physical harm to others or myself(excluding minor bruises and stuff)

I know even when I'm completely fucked up... I still know not to jump off roofs of houses, or attempt to dive at someone if theres rocks right behind them. (not to single anyone out... its merely a situation)

Perhaps I don't have enough experience in life or just maybe theres a platuea of "shitfaced" that is well beyond the realms of myself(which is hard to believe). I just don't see how people blame alcohol for bad decisions.

(Not that I haven't blamed it because I said something to a girl for a hook-up knowing that later I could blame it on being drunk)

But you get my point!

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Chingal0

Lebell and Sexymama sound like they have had a few chats with my 'rents on their policy in drinking hah, it's practically identical!

I'm almost 21 now so it is not a real issue anymore, but back in highschool it was kind of a topic that I really didn't bring up, and they only brought it up when I would stumble in their house at 2 in the morning, trying as fast as I can to get to bed w/o having any confrontation. It never worked, as my mom was always on the couch waiting to spring on me when I walked in the door.

Regardless, I would have to adopt the same policy onto my children. It worked for me, and look how I turned out!

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raeanna74

I like Lebell's rules. In addition I would want to have a serious talk with the kid. Where did he get the stuff, how. Then depending on his attitude I would be more harsh or lenient.

My brother started drinking at 15. Coming home drunk numerous times. He also had a anger problem. The two together don't mix at all. Ended up harming both my parents in anger. They let him do it. I would tolerate a bad attitude less than the drinking.

I would say - no drinking in my home until you are 21. Also No driving home drunk or I call the cops. I'm serious. My brother ended up getting put in jail and the problems he put my parents through affected me even though I didn't live at home anymore. I won't tolerate behavior that puts the kid in opposition to the law. I WON'T stand between her and the law. I will give her warning. ONE warning. Next time she gets to deal with the law.

Also once you are 18 if you drink in my home before you're 21 - you're out. I do drink - on rare occasions. It's not like I'm against alcohol. It's just that it's not that important or that great that you have to break the law for the sake of FUN.

After you are 21 go ahead, drink, have fun. Don't drive. Also - you throw up on my floor because you drank too much- you clean it up.

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punx1325

My parents rules were very simple. What you do in your life is your business. But you drink and drive your ass is on the curb. My parents will let me drink in the house, hell they said they would buy me alcohol. I haven't asked yet, but it is nice to know they don't care. I also think they never really cared because I am not the type of person who does a lot of retarded things. They also said if I ever had a drinking problem to come to them for help, before things got too bad.

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fuzyfuzer

i'm 1 and i don't drink but a lot of my friends do and they do a lot i have always told them that if they were affraid to call their parents they should call me and i would come get them and i get called a lot i even got pulled over once with them in the car and the cop was nice enough not to arrest me for them drinking after i explained why they were there he even told me how noble i was

also my family is pretty cool about alcohol and when i turned 16 my dad told me i could have anything i wanted within reason as long as they were home, i gave them my keys and no more than three other people were there they had to turn in there keys too so it wasn't so bad and i think it was a pretty safe way to do things and not be overbearing

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Lebell

I think you are confused as to why a child would be out of the house.

First, I and the experts disagree that alcoholism is purely a "psychological" problem as you put it. It is a both a physical and mental addiction.

Secondly, rarely is it only "alcoholism" when it comes to teens; it is also good old fashoned teen-age rebellion (you can't tell ME what to do!).

So I would never throw a child of mine out the door if they wanted help in kicking an addiction.

BUT!

I also won't be blackmailed with the fact that it IS my child if that child INSISTS on engaging in self destructive behavior, behavior which I might end up being financially responsible for.

And finally, if you consider my thoughts too harsh, consider this: My grandmother bailed my father out of more situations that were a result of his own behavior than she should have. The result was a lifetime of alcholism and death at 53.

My ex's parents also bailed her brother out of more situations than they should have and the result was a life time of alcoholism and death at 42.

So the next time someone says that's too harsh, I just have to remember the face of my brother-in-law as he died a wreckage of a man before my eyes.

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I'm only 21, so I'm not going to profess to being an expert on parenting. But here's how I would handle it...

1) Find out where my kid is, and make sure he's okay. That much alcohol would cause a panic scare.

2) Talk with him when he gets home. Find out the situation, and then address the problem as needed. Would have the kid dump the alcohol into the drain himself, and take out the trash.

3) Establish punishment and counseling as needed.

My plan for my kids is to establish several important rules. The number one rule is the need for honesty; I intend to be honest with my kids and I expect them to be the same with me. If they need a ride home, I will give them one no matter what the hour. If they drink and drive, the punishment will be beyond severe (their license will be cut up, their car sold, etc.). The expectations within my household are very simple; you may not drink if you are under 18, and if you are over 18 then you may not drink without my permission. You will not drink to get drunk, nor will you allow yourself to be put in a situation that makes that possible.

If you are to go to a party where drinking is expected, you are to be home at a specific hour agreed upon by the both of us. Failure to call ahead if you are late will result in repercussions.

You are the follow the three golden rules of drinking (well, my rules):
I. YOU WILL NOT DRINK AND DRIVE.
II. You will not drink alone.
III. You will not drink on a school night.

Those are my rules. Follow them, be honest about your actions, or face the consequences.

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Sledge

Pretty coherent for a 1-year-old. Hey wait -- get off TFP!

legolas

my mom used to threat about calling the cops if she caught me with weed but the day come and i doubt it even crossed her mind. she cared way too much about me and my health and keeping me off it. i really don't think a kindhearted truly caring parent could kick their child out of the house ever. i heard of a story where a parent kicked their child out and the kid ended up dying on the streets.
i'd never do that.

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legolas

that doesn't mean kicking them out of the house is the answer. if you're truly concerned be there for them and maybe look into counseling. kicking your offspring into the streets is just too much.

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Lebell

You obviously didn't read my entire post.

The relevant parts:

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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis

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SixEdxMia

I'd remind you of your uncle Steve..The one who smells like piss and puke,and always has a bottle in his hand and not a dollar in his pocket...A simple reminder is all..And out of frustration over my boy being grown(moonshine even?!)I'd force you to clean your room,and maybe mine too..and I uh..Well.. at least it wasnt crack... or gay porn.....My parents sent me to treatment.. it wasnt worth the money.

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