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Cynthetiq · 12-09-2003, 10:45 AM

I just saw this product and thought to myself,"What a great thing to guarantee a 30 foot bubble of silence. Silence from the annoying teen on their cell phone, the annoying lover pining over missing the loved one. Silence from the overworker barking more orders on the train ride home. Silence in the theater from people who insist on talking in the middle of the movies."

And then I thought well what about the shoe being on the other foot. What if I was on an important phone call in an emergency, maybe trading money or business that was time critical. How would I feel about it? My answer is quite simple. If I am in need of conducting serious business, I do it over the land lines. I do it from a residence or place of business, not over diner at a restaurant, walking down the road, on the train.

If a product exists like this, then what do we do? Is it now the arms race to see who can counter jam? then counter counter jam?

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This cell phone jammer looks just like a cell phone and is ideal for use when commuting on the bus and train or when eating in restaurants etc, anywhere where you need effective control at close quarters!

Make sure you have this phone jammer with you whenever you are out and about as you never know when you are going to need to use it. With this cell phone jammer switched on in your pocket you will be able to silence those anti-social types who insist on using their mobile phones in the most indiscrete way, the beauty is that they will not know it is you that has switched them off!, all they will see is that their signal has dropped on their phone. When you have had your meal or enjoyed your coffee in peace and quiet, you can then switch off your phone jammer and continue on your way completely stress free.

The SH066 mobile phone jammer comes complete with battery charger and carry case.

Optional accessories: Car charger lead, direct connect adaptor, spare battery.

This cell phone jammer model comes in 2 versions, one for Europe, North Africa and the Gulf states GSM networks (900 & 1800) and one for the USA/Canada (800 & 1900 mhz) networks.

Specifications:

1. Input power: 4.8V DC 650mA Ni-MH battery pack

2. Output power: 20mW

3. Signal source: PLL synthesized

4. Antenna: 2 external

5. Effective range: Up to 15 meters radius in optimum conditions, depending on the type and location of cellular system.

6. Operation temperature: 0Ž to 50Ž

7. Humidity: 5% to 80%

Peryn · 12-09-2003, 11:06 AM

170 pounds for knowing that i will have safe drivers around me... excellent. I would love to find that mom thats all over the road cause shes doing her makeup and talking to her girlfreind at the same time....while driving. Those people really piss me off, and nothing would please me more than cutting of their signal and make them pay attention to the road. Seems to be a tough concept these days...pay attention to what your doing.

Personally, i dont think cell phones should be allowed to place a call while in the car. For the most part, i dont think they should be allowed to recieve them either...but there are emergencies. Anyway, kinda got off topic, but i would LOVE this gadget on teh road. I shouldn't be put at risk because someone else isn't watching what they are doing. This can make them stop yackin and start driving.

skier · 12-09-2003, 11:17 AM

i think this product would be most effective for pranks...

Redlemon · 12-09-2003, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Peryn
170 pounds for knowing that i will have safe drivers around me... excellent. I would love to find that mom thats all over the road cause shes doing her makeup and talking to her girlfreind at the same time....while driving. Those people really piss me off, and nothing would please me more than cutting of their signal and make them pay attention to the road.

Nice try, but I suspect they'll be staring at their phone, trying to figure out how the connection dropped, and paying even less attention to the road.

Also, this was a major plot point in a book I read. Hijackers placed a suitcase-sized cell phone jammer on a casino boat before taking it over, and no one could call for help.

I have a truly-emergency cell phone with the bare minimum of minutes. However, if my wife were calling me to say she's going into labor (which is why I got the cell phone a year ago), I don't want you blocking it.

hu-man · 12-09-2003, 11:23 AM

First of all, I wish that every movie theatre, restaurant, sports event, concert hall, exam room, airplane and hospital should have one of these.
They should advertise the jamming with a sticker or poster.
But as to people carrying one of these around in their pockets, that's just lame. My job requires me to be on the move half of the time, and I visit hundreds of cafés every month, business related. Without my cellphone I am unable to do my job, and if it jammed in or around half of these places, I wouldn't be able to do my job. That would not be nice.
What if people had a portable EMP-gadget in their pocket? Turn off traffic lights! Shut off pace makers! Have fun!
Portable jammers are going too far, and every Joe should not be able to buy one of these. By law.

Pragma · 12-09-2003, 11:40 AM

This has both good and bad sides to it. Yes, the ability to shut people up is a very wonderful thing. However they have a right to talk on cell phones, even if it is annoying you. It's no different than if you've got two people standing in front of you in line talking loudly, than if you've got one person on a cell phone.

I got my cell phone for emergencies only - the recent hurricane, and for when my car broke down. I use it only a few times a week, if that often, and that's mostly to let my girlfriend know I'm outside her apartment in my car.

I do not think that any public building should have a jammer placed in it. It is too important, for safety reasons, to allow people to have cell phones, than to block them. Suppose you're in a bank and everyone's been taken hostage (not an everyday occurance, but something that can happen - and does happen in some areas) - call 911 to alert the police.

Suppose you're in a theater and the person next to you starts having a heart attack? Call 911 to alert the paramedics. Suppose you're at a soccer match and your friend gets in a car accident - you get a phone call and you need to rush to the hospital?

There are plenty of arguments for and against this, and it ultimately boils down to making people bear the responsiblity for turning their phone off or on silent mode when it is appropriate - but you don't have a right to regulate their phone calls.

User Name · 12-09-2003, 11:52 AM

As far as I know (and read in an online publication whose name eludes me), cellular service providers buy certain frequencies from the federal government. This jammer device forbids the customers from using that frequency, and thus, it robs the providers of what's rightfully theirs. Even if that weren't the case, no one should have the right to prevent others from using their cell phone. These jammers should be outlawed.

Cynthetiq · 12-09-2003, 11:53 AM

the jammers are currently outlawed in the United States, and well your comment re: the frequencies, well it's my right to use them as I see fit as well since it's a natural resource and is regulated as such by the FCC.

they government does have that right to regulate and has:

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Hush-Hush Hooray, Says NYC By Elisa Batista
Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,54608,00.html

02:00 AM Aug. 17, 2002 PT

As much as New Yorkers love to talk, they appear to be inclined to support legislation that prohibits people from using their cell phones in public.

In what would be the first such ban in any U.S. city, New York City Councilman Philip Reed recently proposed legislation that prohibits the use of mobile phones in "places of public performance," such as movie theaters, art galleries and libraries. The bill makes an exception for emergency phone calls, but punishes people who infringe on the law with a $50 fine.

Reed's bill is gaining momentum and has a good chance of passing.

"It's a slam dunk," Reed said. "This is going to be a law."

Reed said that only one of 25 city council members he has pitched his bill to wouldn't support it. Even Council Speaker Gifford Miller is on board in support of the bill.

"This isn't a matter of Big Brother watching you on your cell phone," said Miller's spokeswoman, Lupe Todd. "It is a quality-of-life issue."

As Todd pointed out, cell-phone talkers have been received badly in theaters on Broadway. In the middle of one of his productions, Kevin Spacey turned to a person who answered a cell phone and said, "Tell them you're busy." Actor Laurence Fishburne, in the middle of a performance, yelled to a member of the audience, "Turn your fucking phone off!"

"To be honest, we haven't heard anyone say, 'Damn it, she has the right to use her phone in the theater even though I paid $90 for this ticket,'" Todd said. "We're confident that the people of New York will take this legislation in stride."

Members of the cell-phone industry expressed incredulity that the bill has been met with this much fanfare.

"There's more pressing issues in the city right now," said David Samberg, spokesman for Verizon Wireless. "The city's resources can be spent in much better ways than handing out $50 tickets to people with poor manners."

Kim Kuo, a spokeswoman for the Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association, said the industry preferred educating people on cell-phone etiquette than slapping them with fines. The industry opposes such laws for emergency reasons, she said.

"What he (Councilman Reed) said on CNN is that he wanted to take people's phones away," Kuo said. "What kind of disturbance would that result in -- New York, especially?"

Reed, however, isn't backing down. He compares his cell-phone bill with the city's anti-smoking campaign.

"Have the police been in the theater to tell people to stop smoking?" asked Reed.

Reed introduced the bill after experiencing the annoyance of a cell phone ringing in public. His friends, he said, have told him their fair share of anecdotes of rude cell-phone callers and hinted to him that he ought to introduce a bill.

He doesn't buy the story that people need the phones in a theater to report an emergency.

"Shut up and get up," he said. "Nobody is going to take you to jail if you put your phone on vibrate. Get your ass out of the seat and go to the lobby (to take the call). How complicated is that?"

Some New Yorkers share his pain.

Becky Saldana, manager at the Viva Tequila bar and restaurant in Manhattan, said she wouldn't mind seeing the ban extended to restaurants.

"Cell phones should be used in the street, not in a place where people are trying to relax or have a nice dinner," Saldana said. "If they want to use the cell phone they should leave the premises and go where no one can listen to their conversation."

Gian Luca, a manager at the F. Illi Ponte Ristorante in Manhattan, said he wouldn't mind seeing a restaurant ban on ringing cell phones and those "Nextel phones that work as walkie-talkies."

"It's not so much the conversation over the phone, but the ringing," Luca said. "The conversation goes on over the table, regardless. As long as they keep it to a regular volume, that's OK with me."

CTIA's Kuo said she doesn't know of any cities in the country that prohibit cell-phone use in public places. New York would be the first city to consider it, she said.

New York is the only state in the country to prohibit cell-phone use while driving. About 300 towns and cities across the country have similar bans.

Abroad, residents of the city of Campinas, Brazil, are regularly yanked out of their movie seats, escorted out of libraries or barred from classrooms if their cell phones ring. People who infringe on the city's no-cell-phone rule are fined up to $135.

A hearing on Reed's bill is likely to be heard in September, Reed said. Reed's bill could become law as early as November, he said.

lordjeebus · 12-09-2003, 11:59 AM

A lot of the theaters in Japan installed jammers years ago -- it made a world of difference. I don't think that it would be legal here but I wouldn't mind if they made an exception.

raeanna74 · 12-09-2003, 12:13 PM

I know other peoples cell phones can be incredibly annoying. Thing is. My fear with using this would be - What if I was blocking an imporant phone call about a loved one. For example: when hubby was in the hospital, in a coma and with a lung infection of pneumonia and staph, the hospital gave us a beeper. If we had a cell phone they would have used that number to reach us but instead used a beeper that they provided. It was for an emergency should hubby take a turn for the worse. He was doing so poorly at one point that a slight slip and he would have been dead. They wanted to be able to reach us should that happen. If someone had a call like that - this could block it, right? I know - what's the chance of that happening - SLIM. But that would be my worry. For the most part I just choose to go places that aren't as busy and I ignore the people around me if I need my peace and quiet. On mass transit is not the place to find peace and quiet. It's just not going to happen.

I do agree that cell phones don't need to be ringing in theaters and such public places. They can be put on vibrate and you can leave to take the call. People just need to be more considerate.

Ganguro · 12-09-2003, 12:26 PM

technology cannot teach people manners; and from seeing the replies in this thread, it can't teach tolerance either.

12-09-2003, 12:29 PM

lol- i tried deleting the post above, as I didn't know I was under my husband's sign-in name.

lame- sorry, don't take it personally, but we should not be out to control other people's choice and lives......it's their own free will to go about and choose to talk on the phone while driving in risk to get into an accident and to talk loud in an intimate setting......so be it- it doesn't bother me all that much.
BE the difference that MAKES a difference.

P.S. reanna has a very, very good point. Not all people BS on the phone.........there ARE important calls being made and thanks to cell phones, it makes it easier and cheaper.

krwlz · 12-09-2003, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by hu-man
First of all, I wish that every movie theatre, restaurant, sports event, concert hall, exam room, airplane and hospital should have one of these.
They should advertise the jamming with a sticker or poster.

I think that thats a perfect solution. Place a larg one in every theater, and perhaps even place them in cars, so people cant use a cell in their car. But as said, it would suck to have your call jammed when its important.

JStrider · 12-09-2003, 12:39 PM

i would much rather have a baby/kid jammer... ya know... ya turn it on... and the babies/little kids people brought to the R rated movie... cant make a sound... it would be great...

quadro2000 · 12-09-2003, 12:57 PM

It's a bad idea. As others have illustrated, none of us are able to know when someone's call is an emergency or not, and it's not our business.

My only phone is a cell phone. If I'm not at work, I have absolutely no way of getting in touch with anybody other than my cell. Unless I want to leave my house and walk down the block to a pay phone. And I don't.

In NYC it'd be even more difficult. What about people who live above restaurants? Do their cell phones get jammed too?

I support the legislation but I think it's going to be hard to enforce...in a darkened theater it'll be damned near impossible to enforce without making a bigger scene than the scene that happened in the first place.

Holo · 12-09-2003, 01:27 PM

I honestly don't think a cell phone call is *that* important. When I grew up cellphones didn't exist until the mid-80s and they were huge blocks of plastic and metal only rich people and mercenaries carried around. What did all those people do before then? I guess they were just out of touch! I agree with their usefulness in emergency and even informational situations like what to get from the store when I stop off on the way home. It's all in where the call is taken or made. If you don't turn off your ringer in a theater/play/concert SHAME on you. I went to see Gothika a couple weeks ago and had to hear these things go off 5 times and ppl were actually dumb enough to answer them and talk! leave it on vibrate and go into the lobby! Between that and the ignorant talking I won't se another movie again for a long while.

I honestly see zero excuse why cell phones can't be used with minimal annoyance to others. You can have it both ways...it depends on whether one side chooses to respect the other. Ppl are fed up with the rudeness of cell users in general and perhaps if they don't want this kind of back lash they shouldn't use them rudely in the first place. Of course not every one does, but most do and it's too bad you gotta get caught in the crossfire. I'd buy one of these if I could afford it and I would turn it on everywhere they annoy me, i.e. restaurants, movies, plays, etc. I don't pay $30 for a meal to hear Beep-aleepaleepaleep -a buhhhhdunnuhnah. I don't spend $12 just for matinee seats to hear it either. Just put the damn thing on vibrate...I dont' understand why this is hard. My cell has a volume limiter and "polite" short rings as well. So the phone can't be blamed.

/rant

Mael · 12-09-2003, 02:12 PM

unfortunatly, you do not have the right to not get annoyed by other people. if you don't like that people talk on their cells in public, too bad, it's public space, go somewhere else. there is no difference between someone talking on a cell and someone talking to a friend in person.

people pay for their cell service so for you to jam them would to be depriving them of their service. i'm sure that it would be very litigatable. i would just hope that most people would know when it is and isn't appropriate to use them (although many unfortunatly don't) and that they don't have to shout when talking on them. if can't talk in a normal or quieter than normal voice to someone on the cell, then you probably shouldn't be using it in public.

i'm glad someone above mentioned that a driver who gets their call cut off would spend more time and get more distracted trying to figure out what the hell happened then start paying more attention. as it is, i read a study that said that people who talk on cell phones in their cars are more likely to cause/be in an accident then people who never cellphones while driving. the funny thing is though, the study said it's true whether or not the cell user is using it at the time doesn't make a difference. appearantly, people who use their cells in the car are more likely to be distracted drivers, so if they aren't on the cell, their mind is gonna be focusing on other non-driving things (radio, billboards, etc.)

worse than cells in teh car though, are dvd players. i live in an upper middle class area, and i've seen, during dark hours, little screens flickering from the inside of suv's a couple dozen times now. and not all of them were backseat-for-the-kids types. now that's something that has to be really cracked down on...

Reese · 12-09-2003, 08:11 PM

I do think businesses should have the right to block cell phones, but I don't think the technology is good enough to ONLY block it for the business, the range on the jammers don't care where the business ends and the sidewalk begins.

We made it many many many years without cellphones, I think we can make it 20-30 minutes a day without it. If you have someone in the hospital, Don't go in a no cellphone area. Simple as that. Yes I have a cellphone for emergency only, If I want to go see a movie I turn it off.

Another alternative would be a signal sent from a base location that turns the ringer off on all cellphones and vibrate on. Instead of jamming the signal it just changed a setting which is put back to normal when out of range.

Evil Milkman · 12-09-2003, 08:38 PM

It all comes down to personal responsibility and being polite. Of course, try telling this to those people who lack common social courtesy. Maybe someday people will "get it"? I'd hate to have to buy another product just because some bozo can't hang up for 20 minutes.

guthmund · 12-09-2003, 09:56 PM

Everybody says (not everyone here just folks in general) that they've got that "emergency cellphone." I find more often than not, it's the same cell phone they urgently call home to find out if they need to bring anything home for dinner or when they desperately have to fight about some trivial something with their significant other or when it's a matter of life and death to get a hold of the pizza guy for delivery.

That being said, is it really that hard to block these people out? I spend a majority of my day blocking out people I don't want to hear, odd noises, and random cries for help from down the hall. Is it really that big a hassle to adjust the ignore bubble to the idiot in the coffeeshop who's conducting "important business" while buying a crawler?

I think they're should be jam zones in libraries, bookstores, theaters, hospitals, and such. Maybe like Krwlz mentioned, one for the car that's activated when the car shifts from "park." But as long as it's public space, what is the problem?

After all I'm sure there's something you do in public that annoys the piss out out of someone. They just don't have a jammer for it, yet.

TheShadow · 12-09-2003, 11:08 PM

I'm in complete agreement for having these jammers in certain places, specifically hospitals - you're asked to turn off your cellphones there because they can disrupt sensitive equipment, so having a jammer will prevent the idiots who forget to turn off their cellphones and risk killing someone over a social phone call.

billege · 12-10-2003, 03:21 AM

Why do you think cell phones are so popular? Because people like being able to communicate anywhere.

If you think a cheap piece of shit like that will impede societal progress, you're insane.

Instant communication is a panacea.

I need my phone to be in contact, or simply be available to my friends and family because I say I need to be.

It's none, absolutely none!, of your businees impeding my right to talk to anyone.

I do happen to be a very respectful cell user, becuase my parents raised me right, not because you think I should be.
I also use the speakerphone in my car, so kiss my hinie on that one too!

While I'm at it I say this: this device is for people without the balls to ask some dickhead to stop using the phone in an inappropriate area. The movies, yea, grab your balls and say "hey, turn off your PHONE!" You'll get applause.

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Originally posted by Cynthetiq
I just saw this product and thought to myself,"What a great thing to guarantee a 30 foot bubble of silence. Silence from the annoying teen on their cell phone, the annoying lover pining over missing the loved one. Silence from the overworker barking more orders on the train ride home. Silence in the theater from people who insist on talking in the middle of the movies."

I'm glad you thought of both sides here, a little bit.
If that annoying teen is in a public place, the mall, the restaurant, the fast food joint, it's none of you're business. You're in public. There are people who don't have to mold thier lives to your desires. Develop a coping mechanism.

About the pining lover. Not that I'm prone to having such discussions in public areas, but if I had to, and you had a problem with it we'd be fighting.
You have no right to prevent me from talking to my wife. We have very different schedules, and it's not your place to decide when I can tell her I love her.

I see you make mental exceptions for what you define as emergencies, but I'm afraid I don't feel you deserve that power over my choices, especially with some chickenshit jammer.

That's why I use my phone in a polite manner, so dipshits won't go overboard and start treating cell users like smokers (which I also happen to be). IE: Like subhumans.

Since we're on the subject, how bad would you feel if someone missed a call letting them know thier parent in the ICU was finnally going to die. They missed that call because you can't handle being out in public. Wow, I hope you're worth it.

I guess I say cell users better know how to be respectful, becuase those that can't speak up to protect themselves eventually go the chicken route with products like this.

Cynthetiq · 12-10-2003, 06:52 AM

Billege,

when I took the Long Island RailRoad for 2.5 hours every day, listening to some teen talk endlessly about their love life with their girl friends is really annoying, especially when it's not done with ANY discretion. In fact, one night someone else actually stood up and said, "I DON'T CARE IF YOU SLEEP WITH SO-AND-SO! JUST SHUT UP ALREADY!" because this young lady went on for over one and half hours, LOUDLY, everyone heard INTIMATE DETAILS about their relationship, to the point if there were children, mothers would have covered their ears.

I don't mind if it's 5 minutes or even 20 minutes done discreetly, but after 1 hour of droning, it's alittle bit much, beyond EMERGENCY, but more chatting to PASS TIME.

As we know the harder someone is to hear the louder the voice gets, it's a human condition. It's during those times that it's the most annoying because the person isn't holding a conversation but SHOUTING.

Sure, I don't disagree with ANY of your points, but I do beg to differ on being a chickenshit. I have walked up to people and told them flat out, that they were being annoying in restaurants and in theaters. But after the one thousandth time of having to tell some moron to have some manners it gets old.

and of course, I'd feel bad knowing that I caused someone to miss their last messages from a dying loved one, i'm not a sub human (I'm an exsmoker so I sympathize)

Holo · 12-10-2003, 07:09 AM

The problem I have with confrontation is most of the time I'm with my gf and she has issues relating to violence and I don't want to subject her to watching me fight, and even worse, possibly coming out the loser. Anyone can get their ass kicked and I'd hate to be unconscious and this piece of shit decides to finish up with my gf...not to mention even if I "win" I go to jail for assault (in Florida they don't care who started it) and she doesn't have the money to bail me out. So confrontation is pretty much a losing situation. I'm still all for jamming phones in these areas, and I have one. I don't take it in restauarants or movies at all, because I dont' want it to own me. Very few calls are life and death, and in the store its useful but not essentail. Plus you generally talk for a second in a store, not like the 15 or so minutes I had to hear it in Gothika

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edit: these guys don't like them either.

http://www.phonebashing.com/

Fallon · 12-10-2003, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by :::OshnSoul:::

lame- sorry, don't take it personally, but we should not be out to control other people's choice and lives......it's their own free will to go about and choose to talk on the phone while driving in risk to get into an accident and to talk loud in an intimate setting......so be it- it doesn't bother me all that much.
BE the difference that MAKES a difference.

I do not agree with this. This statement just rubs me wrong. It's their choice to endanger MY life, and the lives of the ones I love?
And I'm going to stop now before I say something I regret.

billege · 12-11-2003, 02:08 AM

Cynthetiq,

I aplogize for insinuating that the support of this device made you a chickenshit.

I applaud you for telling people to shut it off. Too few people do this. I also think it's bad that so many cell abusers are belligerant when asked to quiet it down. Violence with some moron is not on my to-do list either.

In my chickenshit comments I am saying that the simple and defaut response of such an annoynomous jammer is the easy way out.

However, I can see where your coming from, and I appreciate you showing me that place. It makes finding a solution to both our problems more challenging.

Here's hoping more people find the right way more often!

Gertie · 12-11-2003, 02:49 AM

You can't put any new technology back in Pandora's box. Get used to it. The new millenium is here.

tokaok · 12-11-2003, 05:42 AM

if my kid dies because the neuro surgeon couldnt be contacted while he was eating because of some one doing this,
i would personnaly go, find them and proceed to stick it up their arse.

i work at a theathre and the though of jammers was brought up once.

it was promply shut down.

due to our size(19 screens) and the amount of guests we get, we have to call 911 about twice a year (strokes, heart attack, kid tripping and smashing face in etc). we decided that the few seconds that ca be bought by using a cell to call for help immediately, do not outweigh us having to giving free passes to those that complain about cell phone interruption.

Sledge · 12-11-2003, 08:53 AM

Speaking as somebody who only uses his cell phone to figure out where people are and how to meet them, I think it's selfish and judgmental for anyone to use a cell-phone jammer. I applaud you, Cyn, for having the balls to go up and tell loud talkers to shut up, and I understand that it gets old after a while, but some of us need to be in contact with people for communicational purposes - which is why we're paying for cell phones to begin with.

I don't see much merit to the argument that OMG THERE MIGHT BE AN EMERGENCY. It could happen, I guess. It just seems to me that the main issue is that a lot of people are going to be disserviced for the convenience of one person with a cell phone jammer. And while that's not going to cause babies to die, it's going to be VERY annoying for me when I'm trying to get my girlfriend to meet me for lunch.

Mael · 12-11-2003, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by Shadowz
I'm in complete agreement for having these jammers in certain places, specifically hospitals - you're asked to turn off your cellphones there because they can disrupt sensitive equipment, so having a jammer will prevent the idiots who forget to turn off their cellphones and risk killing someone over a social phone call.

the downside to this is that the jammer will screw up the equipment just as much as the cell phone will. at least, it would make sense to make that assumption.

12-11-2003, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by Fallon
I do not agree with this. This statement just rubs me wrong. It's their choice to endanger MY life, and the lives of the ones I love?
And I'm going to stop now before I say something I regret.

Endanger? Endanger what? Don't regret anything, speak your mind. I will not be offended- I will understand.

analog · 12-12-2003, 12:49 AM

If I want to talk, I will talk, and you have no right to silence me on your own whim. If someone is being loud, or inappropriate, you deal accordingly, but you do not make a blanket decision based on those who chose not to use it with due discretion.

Also, it has to be against (here in the US) FCC rules, because no device may cause either deliberate or unintentional interference.

Certain places (theaters, etc.) get away with it because they file paperwork with the FCC and get their specific area approved. This is strictly a violation of rights, and it's gross to see so many people try to exert their personal demands on the masses.

sadatx · 12-12-2003, 05:20 AM

This thing could be dangerous.

And I'm not even thinking of any sinister applications.

Picture this. A guy talking on his cell phone in the subway suddenly gets cut off for no paticular reason and sees his reception drop to nothing when just a second ago it was perfect.

He jumps up out of his seat and starts screaming "Who has the fucking jamming device? I'm gonna wring you're fucking neck when I find you."

He starts walking up and down the aisle. "Who is it? I was on an important phone call. Hey granny! What are you doing? Take your hands out of your purse? Gimme that. What the hell do you have in here?!?"

Well...you get the picture.

OFKU0 · 12-12-2003, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Ganguro
technology cannot teach people manners; and from seeing the replies in this thread, it can't teach tolerance either.

Couldn't have said it better Ganguro.

bermuDa · 12-12-2003, 11:52 AM

I imagine it would be more likely that someone is driving down the road talking on their cell phone when they are suddenly cut off for no apparent reason. He/she looks at his/her phone, trying to discern what happened, when they rear-end someone at 30mph.

I like the idea of jamming cell phones in certain areas, but if we can't talk anywhere, what's the point of paying the premium to "stay connected" all the time?

moonstrucksoul · 12-12-2003, 01:55 PM

i suppose it would be like someone putting a governor on your car, and it not letting you exceed the speed limit, or whatever.
it's not right to impose your will onto others.
it's all about the self control.

cowudders14 · 12-20-2003, 07:51 AM

I would use a device like this - I'd switch it on of someone was being really annoying just to cut them off. Then I'd switch it back off again. Sadly, I can't see most people who get these things using them with the slightest of respect!

wry1 · 12-20-2003, 06:07 PM

Like most things in life, it should be a parent's responsibility to teach manners where cellular phones are concerned. Parents are expected to teach their children the social norms for behaving in public, for interacting with others, so why should this be any different?

I, for one, plan on teaching any children I will hopefully have someday how to properly behave - and I plan to lead by example. I used to wear a cell phone virtually 24 hours a day for my previous employment, and I was always respectful of other people's right to enjoy their environment - so it was always set to "vibrate". Okay, there were times when this was none-too convenient, but it was a simple trade-off for polite behavior.

So parents: teach your children, and teach them well.

gloveshot3 · 12-21-2003, 07:15 AM

if annoyed by a c-phoner, I pull mine out (I always power it down when I enter any public building) push a couple of buttons and loudly say into it,"You have no idea how annoying some assholes can be." then i put it away. so does the offender.

12-09-2003, 10:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	My right to peace and quiet I just saw this product and thought to myself,"What a great thing to guarantee a 30 foot bubble of silence. Silence from the annoying teen on their cell phone, the annoying lover pining over missing the loved one. Silence from the overworker barking more orders on the train ride home. Silence in the theater from people who insist on talking in the middle of the movies." And then I thought well what about the shoe being on the other foot. What if I was on an important phone call in an emergency, maybe trading money or business that was time critical. How would I feel about it? My answer is quite simple. If I am in need of conducting serious business, I do it over the land lines. I do it from a residence or place of business, not over diner at a restaurant, walking down the road, on the train. If a product exists like this, then what do we do? Is it now the arms race to see who can counter jam? then counter counter jam? link This cell phone jammer looks just like a cell phone and is ideal for use when commuting on the bus and train or when eating in restaurants etc, anywhere where you need effective control at close quarters! Make sure you have this phone jammer with you whenever you are out and about as you never know when you are going to need to use it. With this cell phone jammer switched on in your pocket you will be able to silence those anti-social types who insist on using their mobile phones in the most indiscrete way, the beauty is that they will not know it is you that has switched them off!, all they will see is that their signal has dropped on their phone. When you have had your meal or enjoyed your coffee in peace and quiet, you can then switch off your phone jammer and continue on your way completely stress free. The SH066 mobile phone jammer comes complete with battery charger and carry case. Optional accessories: Car charger lead, direct connect adaptor, spare battery. This cell phone jammer model comes in 2 versions, one for Europe, North Africa and the Gulf states GSM networks (900 & 1800) and one for the USA/Canada (800 & 1900 mhz) networks. Specifications: 1. Input power: 4.8V DC 650mA Ni-MH battery pack 2. Output power: 20mW 3. Signal source: PLL synthesized 4. Antenna: 2 external 5. Effective range: Up to 15 meters radius in optimum conditions, depending on the type and location of cellular system. 6. Operation temperature: 0Ž to 50Ž 7. Humidity: 5% to 80% __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

12-09-2003, 11:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	170 pounds for knowing that i will have safe drivers around me... excellent. I would love to find that mom thats all over the road cause shes doing her makeup and talking to her girlfreind at the same time....while driving. Those people really piss me off, and nothing would please me more than cutting of their signal and make them pay attention to the road. Seems to be a tough concept these days...pay attention to what your doing. Personally, i dont think cell phones should be allowed to place a call while in the car. For the most part, i dont think they should be allowed to recieve them either...but there are emergencies. Anyway, kinda got off topic, but i would LOVE this gadget on teh road. I shouldn't be put at risk because someone else isn't watching what they are doing. This can make them stop yackin and start driving. __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

12-09-2003, 11:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
skier Rawr! Location: Edmontania	i think this product would be most effective for pranks... __________________ "Asking a bomb squad if an old bomb is still "real" is not the best thing to do if you want to save it." - denim

12-09-2003, 11:40 AM	#6 (permalink)
Pragma I am Winter Born Location: Alexandria, VA	This has both good and bad sides to it. Yes, the ability to shut people up is a very wonderful thing. However they have a right to talk on cell phones, even if it is annoying you. It's no different than if you've got two people standing in front of you in line talking loudly, than if you've got one person on a cell phone. I got my cell phone for emergencies only - the recent hurricane, and for when my car broke down. I use it only a few times a week, if that often, and that's mostly to let my girlfriend know I'm outside her apartment in my car. I do not think that any public building should have a jammer placed in it. It is too important, for safety reasons, to allow people to have cell phones, than to block them. Suppose you're in a bank and everyone's been taken hostage (not an everyday occurance, but something that can happen - and does happen in some areas) - call 911 to alert the police. Suppose you're in a theater and the person next to you starts having a heart attack? Call 911 to alert the paramedics. Suppose you're at a soccer match and your friend gets in a car accident - you get a phone call and you need to rush to the hospital? There are plenty of arguments for and against this, and it ultimately boils down to making people bear the responsiblity for turning their phone off or on silent mode when it is appropriate - but you don't have a right to regulate their phone calls. __________________ Eat antimatter, Posleen-boy!

12-09-2003, 12:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	I know other peoples cell phones can be incredibly annoying. Thing is. My fear with using this would be - What if I was blocking an imporant phone call about a loved one. For example: when hubby was in the hospital, in a coma and with a lung infection of pneumonia and staph, the hospital gave us a beeper. If we had a cell phone they would have used that number to reach us but instead used a beeper that they provided. It was for an emergency should hubby take a turn for the worse. He was doing so poorly at one point that a slight slip and he would have been dead. They wanted to be able to reach us should that happen. If someone had a call like that - this could block it, right? I know - what's the chance of that happening - SLIM. But that would be my worry. For the most part I just choose to go places that aren't as busy and I ignore the people around me if I need my peace and quiet. On mass transit is not the place to find peace and quiet. It's just not going to happen. I do agree that cell phones don't need to be ringing in theaters and such public places. They can be put on vibrate and you can leave to take the call. People just need to be more considerate. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

12-09-2003, 11:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
hu-man The one that got away Location: Over the hill and far away	First of all, I wish that every movie theatre, restaurant, sports event, concert hall, exam room, airplane and hospital should have one of these. They should advertise the jamming with a sticker or poster. But as to people carrying one of these around in their pockets, that's just lame. My job requires me to be on the move half of the time, and I visit hundreds of cafés every month, business related. Without my cellphone I am unable to do my job, and if it jammed in or around half of these places, I wouldn't be able to do my job. That would not be nice. What if people had a portable EMP-gadget in their pocket? Turn off traffic lights! Shut off pace makers! Have fun! Portable jammers are going too far, and every Joe should not be able to buy one of these. By law.

12-09-2003, 11:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
User Name Banned Location: Urf	As far as I know (and read in an online publication whose name eludes me), cellular service providers buy certain frequencies from the federal government. This jammer device forbids the customers from using that frequency, and thus, it robs the providers of what's rightfully theirs. Even if that weren't the case, no one should have the right to prevent others from using their cell phone. These jammers should be outlawed.

12-09-2003, 11:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
lordjeebus ‚±‚Ìˆó˜U‚ª–Ú‚É“ü‚ç‚Ê‚© Location: College	A lot of the theaters in Japan installed jammers years ago -- it made a world of difference. I don't think that it would be legal here but I wouldn't mind if they made an exception.

12-09-2003, 12:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ganguro Army of Me	technology cannot teach people manners; and from seeing the replies in this thread, it can't teach tolerance either.

12-09-2003, 12:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
:::OshnSoul::: Guest	lol- i tried deleting the post above, as I didn't know I was under my husband's sign-in name. lame- sorry, don't take it personally, but we should not be out to control other people's choice and lives......it's their own free will to go about and choose to talk on the phone while driving in risk to get into an accident and to talk loud in an intimate setting......so be it- it doesn't bother me all that much. BE the difference that MAKES a difference. P.S. reanna has a very, very good point. Not all people BS on the phone.........there ARE important calls being made and thanks to cell phones, it makes it easier and cheaper.

12-09-2003, 12:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	i would much rather have a baby/kid jammer... ya know... ya turn it on... and the babies/little kids people brought to the R rated movie... cant make a sound... it would be great... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

12-09-2003, 12:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
quadro2000 All Possibility, Made Of Custard Location: New York, NY	It's a bad idea. As others have illustrated, none of us are able to know when someone's call is an emergency or not, and it's not our business. My only phone is a cell phone. If I'm not at work, I have absolutely no way of getting in touch with anybody other than my cell. Unless I want to leave my house and walk down the block to a pay phone. And I don't. In NYC it'd be even more difficult. What about people who live above restaurants? Do their cell phones get jammed too? I support the legislation but I think it's going to be hard to enforce...in a darkened theater it'll be damned near impossible to enforce without making a bigger scene than the scene that happened in the first place. __________________ You have to laugh at yourself...because you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't. - Emily Saliers

12-09-2003, 01:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
Holo A Real American	I honestly don't think a cell phone call is that important. When I grew up cellphones didn't exist until the mid-80s and they were huge blocks of plastic and metal only rich people and mercenaries carried around. What did all those people do before then? I guess they were just out of touch! I agree with their usefulness in emergency and even informational situations like what to get from the store when I stop off on the way home. It's all in where the call is taken or made. If you don't turn off your ringer in a theater/play/concert SHAME on you. I went to see Gothika a couple weeks ago and had to hear these things go off 5 times and ppl were actually dumb enough to answer them and talk! leave it on vibrate and go into the lobby! Between that and the ignorant talking I won't se another movie again for a long while. I honestly see zero excuse why cell phones can't be used with minimal annoyance to others. You can have it both ways...it depends on whether one side chooses to respect the other. Ppl are fed up with the rudeness of cell users in general and perhaps if they don't want this kind of back lash they shouldn't use them rudely in the first place. Of course not every one does, but most do and it's too bad you gotta get caught in the crossfire. I'd buy one of these if I could afford it and I would turn it on everywhere they annoy me, i.e. restaurants, movies, plays, etc. I don't pay $30 for a meal to hear Beep-aleepaleepaleep -a buhhhhdunnuhnah. I don't spend $12 just for matinee seats to hear it either. Just put the damn thing on vibrate...I dont' understand why this is hard. My cell has a volume limiter and "polite" short rings as well. So the phone can't be blamed. /rant __________________ I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince

12-09-2003, 02:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
Mael Banned Location: The Hell I Created.	unfortunatly, you do not have the right to not get annoyed by other people. if you don't like that people talk on their cells in public, too bad, it's public space, go somewhere else. there is no difference between someone talking on a cell and someone talking to a friend in person. people pay for their cell service so for you to jam them would to be depriving them of their service. i'm sure that it would be very litigatable. i would just hope that most people would know when it is and isn't appropriate to use them (although many unfortunatly don't) and that they don't have to shout when talking on them. if can't talk in a normal or quieter than normal voice to someone on the cell, then you probably shouldn't be using it in public. i'm glad someone above mentioned that a driver who gets their call cut off would spend more time and get more distracted trying to figure out what the hell happened then start paying more attention. as it is, i read a study that said that people who talk on cell phones in their cars are more likely to cause/be in an accident then people who never cellphones while driving. the funny thing is though, the study said it's true whether or not the cell user is using it at the time doesn't make a difference. appearantly, people who use their cells in the car are more likely to be distracted drivers, so if they aren't on the cell, their mind is gonna be focusing on other non-driving things (radio, billboards, etc.) worse than cells in teh car though, are dvd players. i live in an upper middle class area, and i've seen, during dark hours, little screens flickering from the inside of suv's a couple dozen times now. and not all of them were backseat-for-the-kids types. now that's something that has to be really cracked down on...

12-09-2003, 08:11 PM	#18 (permalink)
Reese Delicious	I do think businesses should have the right to block cell phones, but I don't think the technology is good enough to ONLY block it for the business, the range on the jammers don't care where the business ends and the sidewalk begins. We made it many many many years without cellphones, I think we can make it 20-30 minutes a day without it. If you have someone in the hospital, Don't go in a no cellphone area. Simple as that. Yes I have a cellphone for emergency only, If I want to go see a movie I turn it off. Another alternative would be a signal sent from a base location that turns the ringer off on all cellphones and vibrate on. Instead of jamming the signal it just changed a setting which is put back to normal when out of range. __________________ “It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry

12-09-2003, 08:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
Evil Milkman Addict Location: Illinois	It all comes down to personal responsibility and being polite. Of course, try telling this to those people who lack common social courtesy. Maybe someday people will "get it"? I'd hate to have to buy another product just because some bozo can't hang up for 20 minutes.

12-09-2003, 09:56 PM	#20 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	Everybody says (not everyone here just folks in general) that they've got that "emergency cellphone." I find more often than not, it's the same cell phone they urgently call home to find out if they need to bring anything home for dinner or when they desperately have to fight about some trivial something with their significant other or when it's a matter of life and death to get a hold of the pizza guy for delivery. That being said, is it really that hard to block these people out? I spend a majority of my day blocking out people I don't want to hear, odd noises, and random cries for help from down the hall. Is it really that big a hassle to adjust the ignore bubble to the idiot in the coffeeshop who's conducting "important business" while buying a crawler? I think they're should be jam zones in libraries, bookstores, theaters, hospitals, and such. Maybe like Krwlz mentioned, one for the car that's activated when the car shifts from "park." But as long as it's public space, what is the problem? After all I'm sure there's something you do in public that annoys the piss out out of someone. They just don't have a jammer for it, yet. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

12-09-2003, 11:08 PM	#21 (permalink)
TheShadow Crazy Location: Vancouver, Canada	I'm in complete agreement for having these jammers in certain places, specifically hospitals - you're asked to turn off your cellphones there because they can disrupt sensitive equipment, so having a jammer will prevent the idiots who forget to turn off their cellphones and risk killing someone over a social phone call. __________________ You know that song that goes like...

12-10-2003, 06:52 AM	#23 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	Billege, when I took the Long Island RailRoad for 2.5 hours every day, listening to some teen talk endlessly about their love life with their girl friends is really annoying, especially when it's not done with ANY discretion. In fact, one night someone else actually stood up and said, "I DON'T CARE IF YOU SLEEP WITH SO-AND-SO! JUST SHUT UP ALREADY!" because this young lady went on for over one and half hours, LOUDLY, everyone heard INTIMATE DETAILS about their relationship, to the point if there were children, mothers would have covered their ears. I don't mind if it's 5 minutes or even 20 minutes done discreetly, but after 1 hour of droning, it's alittle bit much, beyond EMERGENCY, but more chatting to PASS TIME. As we know the harder someone is to hear the louder the voice gets, it's a human condition. It's during those times that it's the most annoying because the person isn't holding a conversation but SHOUTING. Sure, I don't disagree with ANY of your points, but I do beg to differ on being a chickenshit. I have walked up to people and told them flat out, that they were being annoying in restaurants and in theaters. But after the one thousandth time of having to tell some moron to have some manners it gets old. and of course, I'd feel bad knowing that I caused someone to miss their last messages from a dying loved one, i'm not a sub human (I'm an exsmoker so I sympathize) __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION! Last edited by Cynthetiq; 12-10-2003 at 07:11 AM..

12-10-2003, 07:09 AM	#24 (permalink)
Holo A Real American	The problem I have with confrontation is most of the time I'm with my gf and she has issues relating to violence and I don't want to subject her to watching me fight, and even worse, possibly coming out the loser. Anyone can get their ass kicked and I'd hate to be unconscious and this piece of shit decides to finish up with my gf...not to mention even if I "win" I go to jail for assault (in Florida they don't care who started it) and she doesn't have the money to bail me out. So confrontation is pretty much a losing situation. I'm still all for jamming phones in these areas, and I have one. I don't take it in restauarants or movies at all, because I dont' want it to own me. Very few calls are life and death, and in the store its useful but not essentail. Plus you generally talk for a second in a store, not like the 15 or so minutes I had to hear it in Gothika . edit: these guys don't like them either. http://www.phonebashing.com/ __________________ I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince Last edited by Holo; 12-12-2003 at 04:19 PM..

12-11-2003, 02:08 AM	#26 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	Cynthetiq, I aplogize for insinuating that the support of this device made you a chickenshit. I applaud you for telling people to shut it off. Too few people do this. I also think it's bad that so many cell abusers are belligerant when asked to quiet it down. Violence with some moron is not on my to-do list either. In my chickenshit comments I am saying that the simple and defaut response of such an annoynomous jammer is the easy way out. However, I can see where your coming from, and I appreciate you showing me that place. It makes finding a solution to both our problems more challenging. Here's hoping more people find the right way more often! __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."

12-11-2003, 02:49 AM	#27 (permalink)
Gertie Psycho	You can't put any new technology back in Pandora's box. Get used to it. The new millenium is here.

12-11-2003, 05:42 AM	#28 (permalink)
tokaok Crazy Location: Canada	if my kid dies because the neuro surgeon couldnt be contacted while he was eating because of some one doing this, i would personnaly go, find them and proceed to stick it up their arse. i work at a theathre and the though of jammers was brought up once. it was promply shut down. due to our size(19 screens) and the amount of guests we get, we have to call 911 about twice a year (strokes, heart attack, kid tripping and smashing face in etc). we decided that the few seconds that ca be bought by using a cell to call for help immediately, do not outweigh us having to giving free passes to those that complain about cell phone interruption.

12-11-2003, 08:53 AM	#29 (permalink)
Sledge Pasture Bedtime	Speaking as somebody who only uses his cell phone to figure out where people are and how to meet them, I think it's selfish and judgmental for anyone to use a cell-phone jammer. I applaud you, Cyn, for having the balls to go up and tell loud talkers to shut up, and I understand that it gets old after a while, but some of us need to be in contact with people for communicational purposes - which is why we're paying for cell phones to begin with. I don't see much merit to the argument that OMG THERE MIGHT BE AN EMERGENCY. It could happen, I guess. It just seems to me that the main issue is that a lot of people are going to be disserviced for the convenience of one person with a cell phone jammer. And while that's not going to cause babies to die, it's going to be VERY annoying for me when I'm trying to get my girlfriend to meet me for lunch.

12-12-2003, 12:49 AM	#32 (permalink)
analog Banned	If I want to talk, I will talk, and you have no right to silence me on your own whim. If someone is being loud, or inappropriate, you deal accordingly, but you do not make a blanket decision based on those who chose not to use it with due discretion. Also, it has to be against (here in the US) FCC rules, because no device may cause either deliberate or unintentional interference. Certain places (theaters, etc.) get away with it because they file paperwork with the FCC and get their specific area approved. This is strictly a violation of rights, and it's gross to see so many people try to exert their personal demands on the masses.

12-12-2003, 05:20 AM	#33 (permalink)
sadatx Psycho	This thing could be dangerous. And I'm not even thinking of any sinister applications. Picture this. A guy talking on his cell phone in the subway suddenly gets cut off for no paticular reason and sees his reception drop to nothing when just a second ago it was perfect. He jumps up out of his seat and starts screaming "Who has the fucking jamming device? I'm gonna wring you're fucking neck when I find you." He starts walking up and down the aisle. "Who is it? I was on an important phone call. Hey granny! What are you doing? Take your hands out of your purse? Gimme that. What the hell do you have in here?!?" Well...you get the picture.

12-12-2003, 11:52 AM	#35 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	I imagine it would be more likely that someone is driving down the road talking on their cell phone when they are suddenly cut off for no apparent reason. He/she looks at his/her phone, trying to discern what happened, when they rear-end someone at 30mph. I like the idea of jamming cell phones in certain areas, but if we can't talk anywhere, what's the point of paying the premium to "stay connected" all the time? __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

12-12-2003, 01:55 PM	#36 (permalink)
moonstrucksoul hovering in the distance Location: the land of milk and honey	i suppose it would be like someone putting a governor on your car, and it not letting you exceed the speed limit, or whatever. it's not right to impose your will onto others. it's all about the self control. __________________ no signature required

12-20-2003, 07:51 AM	#37 (permalink)
cowudders14 Bringer of good Moos... Location: Midlands, UK	I would use a device like this - I'd switch it on of someone was being really annoying just to cut them off. Then I'd switch it back off again. Sadly, I can't see most people who get these things using them with the slightest of respect! __________________ Moo! I'm mooey!

12-20-2003, 06:07 PM	#38 (permalink)
wry1 Loser Location: Far too far from my Angel....	Like most things in life, it should be a parent's responsibility to teach manners where cellular phones are concerned. Parents are expected to teach their children the social norms for behaving in public, for interacting with others, so why should this be any different? I, for one, plan on teaching any children I will hopefully have someday how to properly behave - and I plan to lead by example. I used to wear a cell phone virtually 24 hours a day for my previous employment, and I was always respectful of other people's right to enjoy their environment - so it was always set to "vibrate". Okay, there were times when this was none-too convenient, but it was a simple trade-off for polite behavior. So parents: teach your children, and teach them well.

12-21-2003, 07:15 AM	#39 (permalink)
gloveshot3 Crazy	if annoyed by a c-phoner, I pull mine out (I always power it down when I enter any public building) push a couple of buttons and loudly say into it,"You have no idea how annoying some assholes can be." then i put it away. so does the offender.