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IC3 · 10-04-2003, 06:42 AM

Sep.30.03

'Disgusting' attack on kangaroo

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A SYDNEY MP has called for witnesses to a "disgusting" attack on a kangaroo that was tied to a car and dragged almost 20km.

Paul McLeay, state member for the southern Sydney seat of Heathcote, said those responsible for the crime should face "the full force of the law".
The incident took place last week, either late Tuesday night or early Wednesday, just outside Orange in central western NSW.

The kangaroo was tied to a car and dragged 18km along the Icely Road.

"Quite frankly this attack makes me sick to the pit of my stomach," Mr McLeay said.

"For someone to torture one of Australia's native animals like this is nothing short of disgusting."

The attack occurred as Parliament debates tougher penalties for cruelty to animals, with a proposal to double fines for aggravated cruelty from $11,000 to $22,000.

Perpetrators may also face up to two years' jail.

Police said anyone with information regarding last week's incident should call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

There isn't too much that phase's me..But animal abuse like this is one of them.

I think once the kangaroo heals and is better, They should lock this dickhead in a room with the kangaroo...It would kill him.

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monty121052 · 10-04-2003, 06:49 AM

I wouldn't think that it would survive something like that.There fairly delicate animals and are very prone to shock.Hang the fuckers.

Esoteric · 10-04-2003, 07:42 AM

I hope they find those bastards.

Nefir · 10-04-2003, 07:42 AM

Humans are the only animals who will hurt, maim, and kill, purely for their own entertainment and not out of self-defense or hunger. I hope the legal system does its worst to the people responsible.

Wonder how they'd feel about being tied to cars and taken for a nice scenic roadtrip through the outback...

IC3 · 10-04-2003, 08:10 AM

I was just assuming that it may have still been alive since it didn't say it died.

Lock him in a room with any kangaroo..with 4 glass windows as walls..So everybody can watch.

WhoaitsZ · 10-04-2003, 09:37 AM

thankfully i am chilled out.. this kind of story infuriates me.

they think they can torture? no problem. take a rope and put a hook on them. hook the hook under the collar bone. drag through the country until one is dead.

repeat.

people who willingly fuck with life should lose theirs.

they deserve to die.

phredgreen · 10-04-2003, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by Nefir
Humans are the only animals who will hurt, maim, and kill, purely for their own entertainment and not out of self-defense or hunger.

not necessarily, but i won't threadjack just to prove a point.

what happened to the roo sucks, but what is the likelyhood of the perp ever getting caught? there will always be people who get their rocks off by pulling stupid shit like this, the goal in life is to bring about enlightenemnt and formal education so we can prevent the spread of mass stupidity.

anti fishstick · 10-04-2003, 10:59 AM

it's interesting how if this were done to a human, the penalty would be more than 2 years =/

IC3 · 10-04-2003, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by anti fishstick
it's interesting how if this were done to a human, the penalty would be more than 2 years =/

I know what you mean.

I would like to see laws on animal abuse more strict..Rather than giving pretty much a slap on the wrist.

Not sure of how many of you heard, But awhile back two teenagers filmed themselves skinning a cat alive and it was a joke to them.

Doesn't that give a sign that they are a little twisted in the head? There was also pictures in the newspapers of them outside of the courthouse and they were smiling for the camera.

Those are the kind of guys I would like to beat with a bat.

anti fishstick · 10-04-2003, 11:21 AM

yes. and i heard once that a lot of murderers start off with animal torture. dont know how accurate this fact is or the statistics but its kind of creepy.

IC3 · 10-04-2003, 11:26 AM

Wouldn't it be kind of like a dog that bites, He/She has the taste of blood..So the dog will turn again?

That's what these guys are like who abuse and kill animals just for the sake of killing them...They get some kind of satisfaction out of it.

It sounds pretty acurate what you said anti fishstick

sixate · 10-04-2003, 11:56 AM

I find it funny that some people would want whoever did this to die, but some of the same people don't want America to do anything about terrorism...

WTF!!! It's a damn animal. I'd pay to watch someone do it, and I would laugh the entire time. This is a non issue for me because I dislike animals. I know a lot of people who treat their pets better than their children. It drives me fucking insane.

skippy · 10-04-2003, 12:05 PM

I am shocked.... I have long held Australians up as role models for myself and family.

I can't beleive they would do that to an innocent Conifer such a mamalian kangeroo. why are these people so mean? what if it had a little one in it's pouch.

What about it's family.... kangaroos have families too.

Plan9Senior · 10-04-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Nefir
Humans are the only animals who will hurt, maim, and kill, purely for their own entertainment and not out of self-defense or hunger.

Actually you are completely wrong. Cats, Dogs, Foxs, Spiders (just to name a few of the many) kill for "sport" or "entertainment" as we say.

IC3 · 10-04-2003, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by Plan9
Actually you are completely wrong. Cats, Dogs, Foxs, Spiders (just to name a few of the many) kill for "sport" or "entertainment" as we say.

ummm. No.

Animals that live in the wild, even insects kill to survive..Can you tell me how an animal gets entertainment from killing it's prey?

Humans have sex for pleasure and to reproduce...Are you gonna say animals have sex just cause they enjoy it? No. Animals mate to reproduce..That's it.

And some humans do kill animals as a sport..Which I am totally against. If you are going to kill it...Then eat it, If you are going to kill just to hang it's head on the wall and dispose of the rest of the body...That's wrong.

Did you know that if a tiger or cheetah is roaming in the wild with it's tail up, It is not hunting? The deer or any other of the cats prey will sometimes still run away..But I have seen on documentary's where the prey just stayed put but did not take thier eyes of the predator until it had passed by.

That proves that they only kill when they are hungry and not for pleasure or sport.

Plan9Senior · 10-04-2003, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by IC3
ummm. No.

Animals that live in the wild, even insects kill to survive..Can you tell me how an animal gets entertainment from killing it's prey?

Humans have sex for pleasure and to reproduce...Are you gonna say animals have sex just cause they enjoy it? No. Animals mate to reproduce..That's it.

And some humans do kill animals as a sport..Which I am totally against. If you are going to kill it...Then eat it, If you are going to kill just to hang it's head on the wall and dispose of the rest of the body...That's wrong.

Even a well fed cat might find pleasure in hunting and killing a mouse, while its owner knows this same cat would never eat a mouse. The same is true for dogs. Bears catch salmon traveling upstream and do not always stop catching them even after the point when they cannot eat anything anymore. A fox will kill all the hens in a stable, much more than he possibly could eat and certainly not because it is defending itself. What about the spiders? They catches more insects than it can eat right, pack them up and store them, but forget about these reserves because new food comes into the net.

So if we accept the above information to be true, then we have to accept that some species also kill in some cases not for food, and with that they kill for "sport".

You are quick to tell me I am wrong in correcting that poster, so please tell me how I am wrong?

IC3 · 10-04-2003, 12:51 PM

It's called instinct..I don't know about every predator in the food chain..But read my post above I added a bit more about tigers & cheetah's and other wild cat's.

I have actually watched my cat play with a mouse before...I honestly don't think they intend to kill it, They are playing with it cause it moves. Cats don't try to munch on your finger when you wiggle it. They just play with it...But end up killing it in the process from thier claws.

I think alot has to do with territory too...If predators kill and not eat it..Then it's cause they feel thier in danger and will kill to get rid of that threat they feel.

I just can't see how an animal can kill just for the hell of it...There is always a reason..Protecting itself or feeding itself...But a predator will never kill it's prey and leave it..And they will protect it from other predators and fight till the death for the food.

Cats or any predator kills cause that's what it is...A hunter, It kills cause that's the instict they have...There is no pleasure in it...That's just the way they are.

jeenyus · 10-04-2003, 02:23 PM

YOU GUYS WILL NEVER FIND ME MUWHAHAHAHAH

WhoaitsZ · 10-04-2003, 03:40 PM

like phred stated. some animals due kill for what apears to be joy.

watch an otter chase fish for the hell of it until time to eat, at which point he quickly thrusts forward and grabs it.

killer whales toss seals for no reason.

i think human being far outweight animals in cruelty, but i think a statement that no animal can be cruel or evil is a bit goofy.

krwlz · 10-04-2003, 04:40 PM

As far as the fox in a hen house... Well, ever see a chicken run from a fox? Did you know that as soon as an animal runs it triggers the hunt instinct?

The otter. Doesnt kill for fun. It chases for fun, and then kills to eat.

Predator (tm) · 10-04-2003, 04:49 PM

Actually, dolphins kill and even kidnap for reasons unknown to us, but as for the killer wales tossing the seals, some scientists beleive that is done in order to seperate the flesh from the meat.

Nefir · 10-04-2003, 04:53 PM

You do not believe that cruelty is an innately human trait, requiring a much more developed brain that animals do not have?

While I cannot claim to be even close to an expert on animal behavior, I think I can say with confidence that most of their decision process is dictated by instinct. A large part of the rest would probably be simple curiosity or playfulness.

Every example mentioned so far can be explained in terms of the above.

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Even a well fed cat might find pleasure in hunting and killing a mouse

Cats are predatorial animals by nature, and despite being domestic, that drive is still there. They are wired to hunt prey.

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Bears catch salmon traveling upstream and do not always stop catching them even after the point when they cannot eat anything anymore.

Perhaps this would be a gorging instinct of some sort, to prevent running out of food, especially close to Winter. Most of any wild animal's day involves getting food and eating it.

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A fox will kill all the hens in a stable, much more than he possibly could eat and certainly not because it is defending itself.

Could be the same as the bear example. The hunting instinct too, for sure.

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They catches more insects than it can eat right, pack them up and store them, but forget about these reserves because new food comes into the net.

Definitely that gorging instict again.

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watch an otter chase fish for the hell of it until time to eat, at which point he quickly thrusts forward and grabs it.

AFAIK, otters are very playful animals, and its not far-fetched to me that in this situation it would be in "play mode".

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killer whales toss seals for no reason.

I have no clue about this one, but I'm sure someone else can think of an explanation. Still it doesn't sound like "cruelty" to me.

I think you are misunderstanding what I mean by "cruelty"... Getting pleasure from an action because they are physically wired that way (ie: instinct to hunt prey rewards animals for hunting prey) is not cruelty. Cruelty is knowing that a living creature is suffering, and getting pleasure from that.

IMHO, knowing that the prey is suffering, by itself, is already quite a feat which most animals might not be capable of, as it requires thinking from the prey's point of view.

Macheath · 10-04-2003, 05:32 PM

A despicable attack and makes me think of some suitable marsupial revenge. Kangaroos aren't helpless mewling blobs; they can easily kick an adult human to death. I propose putting them in a cage with a six foot tall, 200 pound Red Kangaroo and seeing what happens.

Nefir, I'm not an animal expert either but I would say that many predators invest a great deal in thinking from their preys point of view. The lioness will know that she can be smelt if approaching Gazelles from a certain direction, will plan a route of attack designed to isolate the vulerable young, and employ a whole range of different tactics that require an understanding and observation of the herd. The vulture has to make a judgement as to the point at which a starving human is weak and delerious enough to cease fending off their advances.

Animal instinct is not some lightswitch or turn key that reduces the animals behaviour to a simple equation. Nor does it allow us to impose the human concept of "innocence" upon them.

The way I see it...humans are animals. A powerful trait that makes the human animal unique it rationality. Cruelty is fairly irrational. Therefore, might there be some instinctive element to cruelty that we are unaware of? And if so, why would it have only evolved in our species? Maybe we are cruel because we are subverting once useful instinctive qualities that no longer serve a purpose in sophisticated societies.

Nefir · 10-04-2003, 07:25 PM

Macheath, good point about the tactics. I don't want to hijack this thread even deeper into cruelty territory, so I'll make a new thread instead in Philosophy

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=30136

GoldenOuroboros · 10-04-2003, 11:48 PM

Dolphins have sex for pleasure..

But yeah.. find the mongrels that did this and chuck them in with an angry roo... I hate this kind of thing happening to animals..

K-Wise · 10-05-2003, 12:01 AM

Actually Bonobo's have sex for pleasure and even engage in oral sex. Besides the point though don't get off subject those people are sick

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Originally posted by sixate
I find it funny that some people would want whoever did this to die, but some of the same people don't want America to do anything about terrorism... WTF!!! It's a damn animal. I'd pay to watch someone do it, and I would laugh the entire time. This is a non issue for me because I dislike animals. I know a lot of people who treat their pets better than their children. It drives me fucking insane.

I know people who treat their pets better than their children (my pops) but still man that ain't fuckin funny dude how the hell could you say something like that? Would you be amused to see a little boy get dragged behind a car? Theres no difference get yer head right thats not a healthy attitude.

Asta!!

Fremen · 10-05-2003, 01:09 AM

This debate brings to mind the book, "The Man-Eaters of Tsavo, and Other East African Adventures"
by John Henry Patterson
The movie "The Ghost and the Darkness" was based on the experiences of Lt. Col. John Henry Patterson in Africa, and his plight against two man-killing lions.

http://ibiblio.org/gutenberg/etext03/tsavo10.txt

I feel that the people that dragged the kangaroo should be punished.

Let us also not forget that they eat kangaroo in Australia.

bundy · 10-05-2003, 06:18 AM

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Originally posted by Fremen
Let us also not forget that they eat kangaroo in Australia.

?? - well, yes, we do.
i believe they eat cow in the US, but i doubt dragging one from the back of a pickup for laughs would go down too well.

disgusting behaviour.

i hope these wankers get whats coming to them.

monty121052 · 10-05-2003, 06:31 AM

I dont know if you people are aware but the buffulo that was in crockadile dundee was as tame as they come.He was housed in a small zoo just outside Darwin and some assholes walked up to it with a 22,held it up against his head and killed it.The buffullo would walk up to the fence to let you pat it.Now what type of sick shit would do that.

IC3 · 10-05-2003, 06:48 AM

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[Nefir, I'm not an animal expert either but I would say that many predators invest a great deal in thinking from their preys point of view. The lioness will know that she can be smelt if approaching Gazelles from a certain direction, will plan a route of attack designed to isolate the vulerable young, and employ a whole range of different tactics that require an understanding and observation of the herd. The vulture has to make a judgement as to the point at which a starving human is weak and delerious enough to cease fending off their advances.

That's why I love wild cats..They are so precise. They don't just run after the first thing they see.

As bad as I feel for the younger prey, It's amazing how the predator knows to isolate the young from the rest of the herd for an easier kill.

And actually watching them run down there prey is amazing. There eyes are so mysterious...Such powerfull animals.

sixate · 10-05-2003, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by K-Wise
Would you be amused to see a little boy get dragged behind a car? Theres no difference get yer head right thats not a healthy attitude.

Asta!!

Here's where we are different. There is a huge difference between an animal and a person. I'm sorry that you don't know that. I bet I'd be more upset than you if we both saw some asshole dragging a child behind his car. I'll also bet that I'd do something about it and you probably wouldn't.

Mr. Spacemonkey · 10-05-2003, 10:58 AM

That story made me sick. And so did this post:

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Originally posted by sixate
I find it funny that some people would want whoever did this to die, but some of the same people don't want America to do anything about terrorism... WTF!!! It's a damn animal. I'd pay to watch someone do it, and I would laugh the entire time. This is a non issue for me because I dislike animals. I know a lot of people who treat their pets better than their children. It drives me fucking insane.

I mean seriously, that's just wrong.

IC3 · 10-05-2003, 11:24 AM

If I seen a child being dragged behind a car, That would make me pissed off. Kids are helpless like alot of animals are that this happens too.

I highly doubt that anybody with a normal mind would find it amusing watching a helpless animal being dragged by a truck...That is just sickening that people actually do that. People who find it amusing would have a different outlook on it if they actually witnessed it...And if they still found it funny....They belong in a rubber room with a straight jacket...24/7.

I honestly have more care for animals that are abused than I do for humans.

Humans can seek help, Animals cannot.

One of my Aunts was abused for years by her boyfriend..She is still with him and she never once went to the cops.

I don't talk to her and I show no sympathy for her....As far as i'm concerned she doesn't even exist anymore. She could have helped herself..But she chose not too.

What are animals suppose to do when they are abused by thier owners? When they have had enough of the abuse they turn, Then they get put down...Does that make sense? Didn't think so.

Anybody that abuses any kind of animal for pleasure...Has problems, That's a fact. And if they have to take thier anger out on an animal then they are a weak person.

sixate · 10-05-2003, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by IC3
One of my Aunts was abused for years by her boyfriend..She is still with him and she never once went to the cops.

I don't talk to her and I show no sympathy for her....As far as i'm concerned she doesn't even exist anymore. She could have helped herself..But she chose not too.

I'm just pointing out that we agree again.

I wouldn't feel sorry for her either. If people stay in abusive relationships they deserve it.

Although, I do disagree a little when you said humans can help themselves. Adults can, not children. I fell bad when I see kids get abused because there really isn't much they can do to help themselves, but I don't feel sorry for adults who allow themselves to be abused.

Even as much as I hate animals I think it's dumb for an owner of an animal to mistreat it. Why the hell did they get the damn thing in the first place?? But it doesn't bother me because there are too many children being abused for me to worry about a damn cat or dog.

K-Wise · 10-05-2003, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
Here's where we are different. There is a huge difference between an animal and a person. I'm sorry that you don't know that. I bet I'd be more upset than you if we both saw some asshole dragging a child behind his car. I'll also bet that I'd do something about it and you probably wouldn't.

See now this is where we are different. You missed my entire point. Why would you hate to see a little kid dragged behind a truck? Because it's cruel behavior and cruel behavior is cruel behavior no matter what you're doing it to. And in that case there is no huge difference whether he's doing it to an animal or a child it's wrong and it is not Hilarious!. You ever so boldly say that you who would find it hilarious to be done to an animal thinks he would be more upset than I be it a child. If I'm upset at hearing an animal was dragged (since there is a huge difference and all) then what makes you think I'd be less upset if it was a little boy? I can guarantee you I'd do something about it just as quick as you if not quicker cause I woulda done something about it if I saw the animal being dragged let alone a little boy. I like the little manly talk there though and how you tried to make me look stupid too that was really good buddy

not gonna happen though.

Asta!!

sixate · 10-05-2003, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by K-Wise
See now this is where we are different. You missed my entire point. Why would you hate to see a little kid dragged behind a truck? Because it's cruel behavior and cruel behavior is cruel behavior no matter what you're doing it to. And in that case there is no huge difference whether he's doing it to an animal or a child it's wrong and it is not Hilarious!. You ever so boldly say that you who would find it hilarious to be done to an animal thinks he would be more upset than I be it a child. If I'm upset at hearing an animal was dragged (since there is a huge difference and all) then what makes you think I'd be less upset if it was a little boy? I can guarantee you I'd do something about it just as quick as you if not quicker cause I woulda done something about it if I saw the animal being dragged let alone a little boy. I like the little manly talk there though and how you tried to make me look stupid too that was really good buddy not gonna happen though.

Asta!!

First off. I'm not trying to make anyone look stupid. Sorry if you misunderstood what I said. If you don't think there's a difference between dragging, let's say a cat, behind a car and a child then is there really any point of us discussing this? I don't think so. IMO, people are more important than animals. Animals are meaningless to me. They are nothing more than food to me. I eat them and they taste good.

K-Wise · 10-05-2003, 05:25 PM

I know man I was just bein a dick to you homie

I however am an animal lover and I believe life is life and it's wrong no matter what you're doing it to. But even the Bible holds man above animals so I can see what you mean.(And yes I know you're an atheist lol) Because we all know that we are slightly more important but animals can carry on without us just fine however we would find it quite hard to carry on without them in this day and age don't ya think? Sorry I took you the wrong way though.

Asta!!

fuzzix · 10-05-2003, 09:15 PM

Those sick, evil people should be locked away for life.

yellowgowild · 10-05-2003, 10:44 PM

Personally, I'd hate to see any living thing, full of fear, being dragged to death.

I wont get into the whole animal debate since it's all based on opinion.

BlueBongo · 10-05-2003, 10:56 PM

I think kangaroo's are kewl animals.. I dislike animal cruelty, but unfortunately as phred said.. there will always be people out there doing cruel things to creatures for pleasure.

I do hope they catch the asses that did it though, some people just suck ass.

K... said my peace.

10-04-2003, 07:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
Esoteric Tired Location: Florida	I hope they find those bastards. __________________ From a head full of pressure rests the senses that I clutch Made a date with Divinity, but she wouldn't let me fuck I got touched by a hazy shaded, God help me change Caught a rush on the floor from the life in my veins

10-04-2003, 07:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
Nefir Junkie Location: Louisville, KY	Humans are the only animals who will hurt, maim, and kill, purely for their own entertainment and not out of self-defense or hunger. I hope the legal system does its worst to the people responsible. Wonder how they'd feel about being tied to cars and taken for a nice scenic roadtrip through the outback... __________________ You do not use a Macintosh, instead you use a Tandy Kompressor break your glowstick, Kompressor eat your candy Kompressor open jaws, Kompressor release ants Kompressor watch you scream, Because Kompressor does not dance

10-04-2003, 08:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	I was just assuming that it may have still been alive since it didn't say it died. Lock him in a room with any kangaroo..with 4 glass windows as walls..So everybody can watch. __________________ "To win any battle, you must fight as if you were already dead" -Musashi

10-04-2003, 10:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	it's interesting how if this were done to a human, the penalty would be more than 2 years =/ __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

10-04-2003, 11:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	yes. and i heard once that a lot of murderers start off with animal torture. dont know how accurate this fact is or the statistics but its kind of creepy. __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

10-04-2003, 06:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
monty121052 Insane Location: Newcastle-Australia	I wouldn't think that it would survive something like that.There fairly delicate animals and are very prone to shock.Hang the fuckers.

10-04-2003, 09:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	thankfully i am chilled out.. this kind of story infuriates me. they think they can torture? no problem. take a rope and put a hook on them. hook the hook under the collar bone. drag through the country until one is dead. repeat. people who willingly fuck with life should lose theirs. they deserve to die.

10-04-2003, 11:26 AM	#11 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	Wouldn't it be kind of like a dog that bites, He/She has the taste of blood..So the dog will turn again? That's what these guys are like who abuse and kill animals just for the sake of killing them...They get some kind of satisfaction out of it. It sounds pretty acurate what you said anti fishstick

10-04-2003, 11:56 AM	#12 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	I find it funny that some people would want whoever did this to die, but some of the same people don't want America to do anything about terrorism... WTF!!! It's a damn animal. I'd pay to watch someone do it, and I would laugh the entire time. This is a non issue for me because I dislike animals. I know a lot of people who treat their pets better than their children. It drives me fucking insane.

10-04-2003, 12:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
skippy Banned	I am shocked.... I have long held Australians up as role models for myself and family. I can't beleive they would do that to an innocent Conifer such a mamalian kangeroo. why are these people so mean? what if it had a little one in it's pouch. What about it's family.... kangaroos have families too.

10-04-2003, 12:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	It's called instinct..I don't know about every predator in the food chain..But read my post above I added a bit more about tigers & cheetah's and other wild cat's. I have actually watched my cat play with a mouse before...I honestly don't think they intend to kill it, They are playing with it cause it moves. Cats don't try to munch on your finger when you wiggle it. They just play with it...But end up killing it in the process from thier claws. I think alot has to do with territory too...If predators kill and not eat it..Then it's cause they feel thier in danger and will kill to get rid of that threat they feel. I just can't see how an animal can kill just for the hell of it...There is always a reason..Protecting itself or feeding itself...But a predator will never kill it's prey and leave it..And they will protect it from other predators and fight till the death for the food. Cats or any predator kills cause that's what it is...A hunter, It kills cause that's the instict they have...There is no pleasure in it...That's just the way they are. Last edited by IC3; 10-04-2003 at 01:12 PM..

10-04-2003, 02:23 PM	#18 (permalink)
jeenyus Banned	. YOU GUYS WILL NEVER FIND ME MUWHAHAHAHAH

10-04-2003, 03:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	like phred stated. some animals due kill for what apears to be joy. watch an otter chase fish for the hell of it until time to eat, at which point he quickly thrusts forward and grabs it. killer whales toss seals for no reason. i think human being far outweight animals in cruelty, but i think a statement that no animal can be cruel or evil is a bit goofy.

10-04-2003, 04:40 PM	#20 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	As far as the fox in a hen house... Well, ever see a chicken run from a fox? Did you know that as soon as an animal runs it triggers the hunt instinct? The otter. Doesnt kill for fun. It chases for fun, and then kills to eat.

10-04-2003, 04:49 PM	#21 (permalink)
Predator (tm) Upright	Actually, dolphins kill and even kidnap for reasons unknown to us, but as for the killer wales tossing the seals, some scientists beleive that is done in order to seperate the flesh from the meat.

10-04-2003, 05:32 PM	#23 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	A despicable attack and makes me think of some suitable marsupial revenge. Kangaroos aren't helpless mewling blobs; they can easily kick an adult human to death. I propose putting them in a cage with a six foot tall, 200 pound Red Kangaroo and seeing what happens. Nefir, I'm not an animal expert either but I would say that many predators invest a great deal in thinking from their preys point of view. The lioness will know that she can be smelt if approaching Gazelles from a certain direction, will plan a route of attack designed to isolate the vulerable young, and employ a whole range of different tactics that require an understanding and observation of the herd. The vulture has to make a judgement as to the point at which a starving human is weak and delerious enough to cease fending off their advances. Animal instinct is not some lightswitch or turn key that reduces the animals behaviour to a simple equation. Nor does it allow us to impose the human concept of "innocence" upon them. The way I see it...humans are animals. A powerful trait that makes the human animal unique it rationality. Cruelty is fairly irrational. Therefore, might there be some instinctive element to cruelty that we are unaware of? And if so, why would it have only evolved in our species? Maybe we are cruel because we are subverting once useful instinctive qualities that no longer serve a purpose in sophisticated societies.

10-04-2003, 07:25 PM	#24 (permalink)
Nefir Junkie Location: Louisville, KY	Macheath, good point about the tactics. I don't want to hijack this thread even deeper into cruelty territory, so I'll make a new thread instead in Philosophy http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=30136 __________________ You do not use a Macintosh, instead you use a Tandy Kompressor break your glowstick, Kompressor eat your candy Kompressor open jaws, Kompressor release ants Kompressor watch you scream, Because Kompressor does not dance

10-04-2003, 11:48 PM	#25 (permalink)
GoldenOuroboros The Cheshire Grin... Location: An Aussie Outback	Dolphins have sex for pleasure.. But yeah.. find the mongrels that did this and chuck them in with an angry roo... I hate this kind of thing happening to animals.. __________________ Can you see me grin grin grrriiiiinnnning?!

10-05-2003, 01:09 AM	#27 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	This debate brings to mind the book, "The Man-Eaters of Tsavo, and Other East African Adventures" by John Henry Patterson The movie "The Ghost and the Darkness" was based on the experiences of Lt. Col. John Henry Patterson in Africa, and his plight against two man-killing lions. http://ibiblio.org/gutenberg/etext03/tsavo10.txt I feel that the people that dragged the kangaroo should be punished. Let us also not forget that they eat kangaroo in Australia. __________________ Google

10-05-2003, 06:31 AM	#29 (permalink)
monty121052 Insane Location: Newcastle-Australia	I dont know if you people are aware but the buffulo that was in crockadile dundee was as tame as they come.He was housed in a small zoo just outside Darwin and some assholes walked up to it with a 22,held it up against his head and killed it.The buffullo would walk up to the fence to let you pat it.Now what type of sick shit would do that.

10-05-2003, 11:24 AM	#33 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	If I seen a child being dragged behind a car, That would make me pissed off. Kids are helpless like alot of animals are that this happens too. I highly doubt that anybody with a normal mind would find it amusing watching a helpless animal being dragged by a truck...That is just sickening that people actually do that. People who find it amusing would have a different outlook on it if they actually witnessed it...And if they still found it funny....They belong in a rubber room with a straight jacket...24/7. I honestly have more care for animals that are abused than I do for humans. Humans can seek help, Animals cannot. One of my Aunts was abused for years by her boyfriend..She is still with him and she never once went to the cops. I don't talk to her and I show no sympathy for her....As far as i'm concerned she doesn't even exist anymore. She could have helped herself..But she chose not too. What are animals suppose to do when they are abused by thier owners? When they have had enough of the abuse they turn, Then they get put down...Does that make sense? Didn't think so. Anybody that abuses any kind of animal for pleasure...Has problems, That's a fact. And if they have to take thier anger out on an animal then they are a weak person. __________________ "To win any battle, you must fight as if you were already dead" -Musashi Last edited by IC3; 10-05-2003 at 11:31 AM..

10-05-2003, 05:25 PM	#37 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	I know man I was just bein a dick to you homie I however am an animal lover and I believe life is life and it's wrong no matter what you're doing it to. But even the Bible holds man above animals so I can see what you mean.(And yes I know you're an atheist lol) Because we all know that we are slightly more important but animals can carry on without us just fine however we would find it quite hard to carry on without them in this day and age don't ya think? Sorry I took you the wrong way though. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

10-05-2003, 09:15 PM	#38 (permalink)
fuzzix Psycho Location: Australia	Those sick, evil people should be locked away for life. __________________ I'm most definately not 'lovin' it'.

10-05-2003, 10:44 PM	#39 (permalink)
yellowgowild Psycho Location: Tampa	Personally, I'd hate to see any living thing, full of fear, being dragged to death. I wont get into the whole animal debate since it's all based on opinion.