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Old 10-04-2003, 04:53 PM   #22 (permalink)
Nefir
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You do not believe that cruelty is an innately human trait, requiring a much more developed brain that animals do not have?

While I cannot claim to be even close to an expert on animal behavior, I think I can say with confidence that most of their decision process is dictated by instinct. A large part of the rest would probably be simple curiosity or playfulness.

Every example mentioned so far can be explained in terms of the above.

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Even a well fed cat might find pleasure in hunting and killing a mouse
Cats are predatorial animals by nature, and despite being domestic, that drive is still there. They are wired to hunt prey.

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Bears catch salmon traveling upstream and do not always stop catching them even after the point when they cannot eat anything anymore.
Perhaps this would be a gorging instinct of some sort, to prevent running out of food, especially close to Winter. Most of any wild animal's day involves getting food and eating it.

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A fox will kill all the hens in a stable, much more than he possibly could eat and certainly not because it is defending itself.
Could be the same as the bear example. The hunting instinct too, for sure.

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They catches more insects than it can eat right, pack them up and store them, but forget about these reserves because new food comes into the net.
Definitely that gorging instict again.

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watch an otter chase fish for the hell of it until time to eat, at which point he quickly thrusts forward and grabs it.
AFAIK, otters are very playful animals, and its not far-fetched to me that in this situation it would be in "play mode".

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killer whales toss seals for no reason.
I have no clue about this one, but I'm sure someone else can think of an explanation. Still it doesn't sound like "cruelty" to me.

I think you are misunderstanding what I mean by "cruelty"... Getting pleasure from an action because they are physically wired that way (ie: instinct to hunt prey rewards animals for hunting prey) is not cruelty. Cruelty is knowing that a living creature is suffering, and getting pleasure from that.

IMHO, knowing that the prey is suffering, by itself, is already quite a feat which most animals might not be capable of, as it requires thinking from the prey's point of view.
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